Hi everyone, I would like to comment on the Sabbath rest mentioned in Exodus 20:10 and entering in that rest mentioned in Hebrews 4:10-11.
Israel as a Nation and under the Law did not enter in that rest and I will attempt to explain why.
There still remains a rest for the people of Israel. This speaks volumes on several topics; However, I would like to focus on one.
Now this is not the Church, we have joined him in his rest as mentioned here in Hebrews 4:3
Israel as a Nation stumbled as that Rock of offence by nonbelief. Yet for the most part they kept the Sabbath rest. Which was ritual pointing to one that could give them rest.
THE LAW WAS THE VIHICLE WHICH BROUGHT US TO THE ONE THAT CAN GIVE US REST!
Galatians 4:1-5. Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
We join him in his rest by way of sonship.
So, what about the written articles of God? I will speak on that in a moment.
Christ being a member of the Godhead never sinned. We see that He was tempted in all ways as we are as Hebrews 4:15 states.
In His own strength Christ certainly always had the right to do anything as well as the capability; but as we know God cannot lie ( Heb. 6:18 and other related scriptures). Thus; Satan truly was the only being that had the authority to give the right of rulership over the earth as a temptation; and Christ was the only recipient other than Antichrist who will receive this offer. The man of sin will accept it; and the world will accept THE LIE ( 2 Thess. 2:11-12). It was for our sake that Christ humbled Himself; even to death on a cross emptying Himself of all self promotion of His own glory for the sake of the Father's exaltation later. This encompasses a number of scriptures (see Philippians 2:7; Isaiah 53).
Thus; we see that the relationship among the Godhead brings humility followed by exaltation. We also should follow that guideline; knowing that no servant is greater than His master; we are also to suffer while in this brief earthly existence. ( John 13:16). How much of our own troubles are caused by our own sins varies; it is something we should overcome if we are truly to embrace His sufferings.
When we consider sinless perfection on a surface level we think of avoiding commission of acctions against God as well as avoiding omission of things we ought to do which is often neglected at the expense of the first issue. We can think of someone who never makes mistakes; never says a word that is unfitting; and other like characteristics. When examining in depth this subject we see how eternal spiritual laws and principles were always first and foremost; undergirding Christ's miracles. Salvation was shown to be more crucial than just healing (see Matthew 9:6); as the paralytic received healing along with forgiveness. Salvation is complete at the Resurrection of the just; inheriting new bodies
Sorry for the delay, thank you for your reply. My understanding in Genesis when God breathed the breath of life into the first Adam he became a living soul. The Hebrew word is nephesh, that means a living being, Adam was not given a soul he became a living soul/being. Same as the last Adam Jesus the Messiah was conceived in the womb of Mary, Luke 1:31-33, and He was a living being/nephesh.
As the first Adam, Jesus came into this world without sin, but not like the first Adam He lived a perfect life without sin totally obedient to the Father even though He was tempted as you and me, Hebrews 4:14-15.
Moses was a law giver, Jesus was a law giver as well. The old laws of Moses nobody coukd keep the sabbath day. Just like today, the moment you get out of bed you broke the Sabbath day. It is not a pick and choose gospel, you keep the Sabbath day you are responsible for the whole book of Leviticus. Jesus became our rest as we rest in his words as the Sabbath day was a day of rest. When you are resting you are not sinning. We sin no more in Christ as he is our rest as God tge Father of Jesus is resting in the words of his Son Jesus. Those days are long gone as Jesus is now Lord of the Sabbath as he is the head of the Sabbath day for rest sake.
Hebrews 4:[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Rev 14:13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
James 2:10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
We are to be holy in Christ Jesus as he is our rest our Sabbath everyday. The Sabbath day keepers are hypocrites as they break the Sabbath everytime they get out of bed and do work. The moment they got out of bed, they broke the Sabbath day. The Sabbath day was a day of rest, when you are resting you are not sinning. Jesus became that rest for us ss the Sabbath day was just a shadow of things to come. None of the Jews could keep the Sabbath, they kept breaking it. Christ is the end of the law of Moses the law of righteousness the Sabbath Day.
Isaiah 56:[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa.11[10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Matthew 11:28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Hebrews 4:8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 10:1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Col 2:16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Jesus became our Sabbath as he became our rest as we now rest in his words which are spirit and life John 6:63. The Jews could not keep the Sabbath day they always polluted it. The moment you get out of bed you pollute the Sabbath. On the Sabbath day, nobody was to get out of their bed, do cooking, or leave their house. Sabbath day keepers every week pollute and break the Sabbath the moment they get out of bed. Jesus became our Sabbath as prophesied by Isaiah. When you celebrate the Sabbath it is of no avail as Jesus our forerunner is now that rest. The Sabbath day was a day of rest, when you are resting, you are not sinning. Sabbath day keepers today pervert the Sabbath the moment they get out of bed.
Exodus 31:14] Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Isaiah 56:2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isaiah 11:10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Matthew 11:28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Hebrews 4:8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
What law is John talking about? Not the ten commandments but the law the that Jesus came with, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus Romans 8:1-2. The ten commandments were a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ Jesus Galations 3:24-25. Sin is a violation of the law of the spirit of life as it is the opposite of what Moses carried the law of sin and death. All sin is of the devil period 1st John 3:8. Tge reason why mankind sins and has to sin is because thry are a servant to sin a servant to the devil and not to Jesus Christ the Son of God.
The law of Moses made nothing perfect, it was the brining in of the better hope that did Hebrews 7:9. The law of spirit and life as Jesus'words are spirit and life John 6:63. Churches of all kinds are still bound by the old law, that is why they still celebrate the Sabbath when Jesus is now our rest and not the Sabbath day anymore.
Gal.3[24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster
Rev 14:13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Hebrews 4:8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Romans 8:1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Do you believe that Satan works under the control of Christ? or
Does Satan have power of himself.
If you believe Satan is an instrument in God's hand, then why would you believe that Satan at times doesn't lie.
Satan is in every man, men lie sometimes, and other times they tell the truth; whichever, God through Satan, has predestinate.
Man will not believe that all his words were spoken before the foundation.
Psalms 90:9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath, we spend our years as a TALE being TOLD.
Quite worrying about you might be deceived, because every man starts out that way, ( Revelation 12:9) and believed what God says.
Ephesians 1:4 According as HE hath CHOSEN us IN HIM before the foundation of the world .....
Hebrews 4:3 .... the WORKS were FINISHED from the foundation of the world ....
God has appointed some to believe and some not to believe; IN THIS AGE.
God is calling you, otherwise, you would not, have COME.
It's HIS WORKS, you have no say, it's his choice of when and how much you believe.
Every man has a purpose in God's scheme of salvation and coming to truth, and whether you like it or not, you WILL NOT vary outside his purpose for you.
Only ONE person was Chosen to be John the Baptist, all thought there are many that have the same spirit as John crying out in the wilderness to repent of their sin of unbelief.
This holds true for Judas, he say CHOSEN, and he did what he was chosen for.
This holds true for Satan, he is doing what he was chosen for.
God said when Christ has put ALL THINGS under his FEET, God WILL BE ALL in ALL.
Christ will not fail in what he was SENT TO DO.
God said he would set brother against brother, he has a purpose for this, all though we can't yet see it.
Brother S Spencer and I are both in God's plan, even though we seem to be brother against brother.
All things work TOGETHER for the good of those that LOVE the LORD.
Giannis, and Wkrimes, and other readers who participate in Biblical Studies here
Then,Giannis,you remain in your speculative and ficticious interpretation of the things which the own GOD REVEALED to Moses around 2500 years after Adam or around 1500 years BC,or exactly two Days and half of works, according GOD revealed to Moses and he wrote in GENESIS 1:3 to 13.TAKE A LOOK. Actually, the one whom GOD has sent speaks the Words of GOD, like Moses, and the prophets, and the apostles of JESUS,for GOD gives the Spirit without limit, and above all GOD sent my Lord JESUS himself, through whom GOD made all things,understand?
That said, your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. In fact, the person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of GOD but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit, undeerstand? He who has the Spirit makes Judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgment.
In fact, the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth.It's that. But the one who is of heaven is above all( Ephesians 1:3 combined with Philippians 3:20-21,among other Scriptures)for he testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony, but whoever has accepted it has certified that GOD is Truthful.For the one whom GOD has sent speaks the Words of GOD,for GOD gives the Spirit without limit.
Hebrews 4:12-13
12The Word of GOD is quick-the Word is GOD,SELF-EXECUTING,understand?-,and powerful,and sharper than any twoedged Sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of SOUL and SPIRIT,and of the joints and marrow,and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we must render an account.
Time doesn't exist in God's realm, no beginning and no end.
One day is as a thousand years, that is symbolic, one day could also be as a million years.
It's just ONE DAY, TODAY.
Christ was resurrected and it became TODAY; the day of salvation, then, in our time frame, tomorrow, AGAIN, became TODAY the day of SALVATION, over and over for the last 2000 years, It's ALWAYS, TODAY the day of salvation, no beginning and no end.
Ephesians 3:21 ...... through out all AGES ......WORLD WITHOUT END ......
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, is that which SHALL BE; and that which is done is that which SHALL BE DONE, there is NO NEW THING under the sun.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have BELIEVED do enter in to REST (the Sabbath) .....the WORKS were FINISHED from the foundation of the world.
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of cords, he drove them out of the temple ......
Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry ......
Romans 14:23 whatsoever is not of faith (of Christ) is sin .....
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even dividing the body and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is the discerner of the thoughts and INTENTS of the HEART.
Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I GIVE YOU, and NEW SPIRIT will I PUT IN YOU ....
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes (maybe become angry) amd keep my judgements (words) and DO THEM.
One eighty thank you for your comment, I really appreciate your kind words of encouragement.
The words of the LORD are pure words. ( Ps 12:6-7) (pure) is #2889; it means sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated.
Every word of God is pure ( Proverbs 30:5-6) (Every) is #3605; it means the whole, all, any or every.
For the word of God is (quick) and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword ( Hebrews 4:12) (quick) #2198 it means to live, alive. The word of God is Alive, the word of God is not confusion!
God is not the author of confusion ( 1 Cor 14:33) (confusion) is #181; it means instability, i.e. disorder, inconstant, unstable.
All these different modern version bibles that change words and completely leave out whole verses are instability, disorder, they are inconstant, they are unstable! Many have changed their own words several different times! ( 1 Cor 1:10) Telle us "that we all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among us, but that we be perfectly joined together in the same mind"..
( Jer 23:36) "for ye have (perverted) the words of the living God" (perverted) is #2015; it means to change.
The words of the LORD are pure words, (pure) #2889; sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated.
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by ((every word)) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. ( Mt 4:4)
EVERY WORD!
"For we are not as many, which (corrupt) the word of God".. ( 2 Cor 2:17) (corrupt) is #2585; it means to retail, (to adulterate).
This is doctrine that's not sound doctrine, but it is instability, inconstant, and unstable! ( 2 Tim 4:3-4) IT IS CORRUPT!
Remember the words of the LORD are pure words, they are sound, (unadulterated), uncontaminated.
One eighty look up ( Ps 12:7) in your Niv bible and compare it with the KJB.
Also compare ( Mark 11:26) and ( Eph 3:9) in your Niv with the KJB.
And here's a really big one to compare ( Col 1:14)
This is the definition of (perverted), #2015 it means to change.
Each believer is personally responsible for living in obedience to Christ's commands. 1 Timothy 4:16. Can we come up short, Hebrews 4:1. Some of the natural branches of the house of Israel were broken off for unbelief so the people of the nations who believe and are justified are grafted in. Believers/saved can be cut off if they do not continue in his goodness/grace. Romans 11:15-24.
Much of your post I agree, it is about becoming saved and our relationship with Jesus, and if we continue to abide in Him those scriptures apply. Concerning Pentecost, Peter was pleading that they accept Jesus as their Messiah that was promised, and they killed Him, not to repent from Judaism. Peter and the disciples at this time were still observing the old law. We see years later they were still debating it in Acts 15.
1 Cor. 9:27 If we look at the wording "But I keep under my body and bring it into subjection" it is as if his body is his adversary. It is like he was beating his body whether it is said metaphorical, but to the subduing of the natural appetites of the flesh, a life of self-denial not to succumb to the sins of the flesh. The Greek adokimos translated as castaway, is the same word for reprobate, Romans 1:28Titus 1:16. I do not think Paul is talking about rewards.
Hebrews 3:12-13 This chapter starts with "Wherefore holy brethern" These are Christians, saved, verse 6 "if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end." The writer includes himself "If We". Verses 12 and 13 are to these same people and verse 14 says "For we are made partakers of Christ" Because they are made so they are saved believers in Christ.
1 John 1:7 If is conditional a choice if you walk in the light there is fellowship, if you don't walk in the light, you are outside of the fellowship.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the GOSPEL preached, as well as unto THEM, but the word did not profit them, not being mixed with FAITH (of Christ) in them.
The same gospel does not profit most today, they haven't died to SELF, so ONLY Christ reigns in HIS BODY (all; the NEW CREATION).
Most DO NOT BELIEVE:
Ezekiel 36:27 ANd I WILL put my spirit in my body (the NEW CREATION) and CAUSE my (NEW) body to WALK in my statutes and KEEP my judgements (WORDS) and DO THEM.
They read the words, write the words, speak the words, BUT DO NOT BELIEVE the words.
If Christ is CAUSING you to WILL and to DO, then how can one sin.
The sin is UNBELIEF. All other sins is COVERED by his blood.
When HE (the spirit of truth) IS COME (like a thief that can't be seen) HE WILL reprove the world of SIN: of SIN because they don't BELIEVE the WORD.
In the first sentence of your post you emphasized GOD putting His Word in the mouths of his servants,the prophets,and you highlighted Je. and Ez: Isa. came also to my memory-Is.6:1-13.
And Hebrews 1:1-2 say:1 GOD,who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these LAST DAYS(last two days or two millennia)spoken unto us by His Son...
But I would highlight also Isaiah 51:14-The captive exiled hasteneth that he may be loosed,and that he should NOT DIE in the pit, nor that his bread should fail.
15 I am the Lord thy GOD,that divided the sea(nations),whose waves roared:The Lord of hosts is his name.
16 And I have put my words in thy MOUTH, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand,that I may PLANT THE HEAVENS,and lay the foundations of the earth,and say unto Zion,Thou art my people.
The 1st heaven was planted by the Words GOD has put in the MOUTH of Moses,and His holy prophets-the Old Testament-and lasted around 1.500 years,from Moses until JESUS;
The 2nd heaven was planted by the Words GOD has put in the MOUTH of JESUS,and His Apostles-the New Testament-,and it has lasted around 2000 years;
The 3rd heaven will last 1.000 years,it will be planted by the Words GOD has left written to be announced by the captive exiled, actually a rod of iron,and a sharp Sword- Hebrews 4:12-13 combined with Rev.11:15-18,and Ps.2:1-12,and 1Thess.4:16, Daniel 12:1-3,Rev.19:11-21 and 6:2,among other biblical references.
The heaven of the heavens-the Eternity-will be established when the 3rd heaven be ended- Rev. 20:7-10;
Luke 20:35-35
35 They which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world(next world-the millennial GOD's Kingdom-,and the resurrection from the dead,neither marry,nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more:for they are equal unto the angels;and are the children of GOD,being the children of the resurrection.
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us,and give us His protection
the words knowing the judgements of God, implies they have a knowledge of God
Whether they profess to be a Christian or not
the righteous judgements of the Holy, Holy, Holy God will find them out! Hebrews 4:12,13
& will reward them according to their deeds, if not confessed with a godly sorrow unto repentance & forsaken, which is a reward according to their deeds also.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have BELIEVED do enter into REST (the sabbath), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall ENTER IN TO MY (the sabbath) REST; although the WORKS were FINISHED from the foundations of the world.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the GOSPEL preached, as well (as it was preached) TO THEM ......
We are just playing out what has ALREADY been written.
God's will is BEING DONE.
We are JUST POTS being CONFORMED into the IMAGE of Christ. From the first man TIL the last man.
Revelation 22:13 "I AM " Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the FIRST and the LAST.
Romans 8:29 .... he did PREDESTINATE to be CONFORMED to the IMAGE of son.
Job 38:7 When all the morning stars SANG TOGETHER (all became ONE), the SONS of GOD (all became ONE) shouted for joy?
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou hast GIVEN ME, I HAVE GIVEN THEM (finished from the foundations of the world), that they may be ONE, even as WE ARE ONE.
Psalms 46:10 Be still and know "I AM" God ......
Isaiah 26:3 Thou will KEEP HIM in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee .....
Once again Jimbob, thank you. I won't address each point as this can go on ad infinitum without finding agreement. Your belief is that the KJB is the Bible referred to, in the Scriptures you gave (such as in Psalm 12:6,7). This is a good example of how the Scriptures are mishandled. This passage in Psalm 12 is given to show the purity of God's Word & its everlasting nature. The mention of "silver tried in a furnacepurified seven times", shows indeed how pure & without error that Word from the LORD was - nothing at all to do with KJB translators taking seven years to produce this Bible.
As well, those Words uttered by God will never change & will never be lost - again showing us the abiding nature of what God has spoken & given. What has now been produced centuries later is the best we have, given how documents & fragments were preserved, collected, & translated. No translation, past or present, can ever reflect perfectly what God spoke to His prophets & servants (& then their recording) - we just need to satisfy ourselves that what we read now does align in the best possible way to the texts that were gathered.
So some turn & hold to the KJB, others reject it, even by many well-studied in biblical history & in document & text analysis, refuting our claim of the superiority of the KJB over other works, giving their preference to other versions. So to answer your last question: the "preserved" Words of God are what we have now. Preserved to the very letter? Never - but preserved in the essence of what God wants to tell us, with that Word being Spirit-generated (as it was given to the prophets of old), able to cut deep into our soul & spirit ( Hebrews 4:12).
And as I wrote, to address each of your other points would take too long & I see no value in doing so anyway, knowing how we read the Scriptures on this matter particularly. As well, I will be on vacation for about six weeks, so thank you for your time brother & may you daily experience His blessings.
Hi David0921. Apologies for intruding into your conversation with Jimbob, but wanted to also refer you to 1 Thessalonians 5:23, as you spend time in Hebrews 4:12. There seems to be a clear distinction made in describing tripartite man, especially noting the contiguous nature of soul and spirit.
The Acts 2 passage (and also in Acts 13) are teaching us something about the Nature of Salvation in Paul's and Peter's preaching. In doing so they are referencing Psalm 16 and providing a commentary on this Psalm and it is very clear that The Holy One spoken of in these verses is Christ Himself, not David the man.
Christ endured the Wrath of God, eternal death, in full payment for the sins of His Elect and then rose from that death. It is Christ's soul, not David's soul that is in view.
I have always understood the Soul to be the Spirit essence of an individual, and therefore synonymous. So mankind has a physical BODY and a Spirit essence, his SOUL. But the Hebrews 4:12 verse is interesting. I have some thoughts about that verse but not prepared to share yet.
But I'm puzzled by your differentiating between the Soul and the Spirit of man. So are you saying that mankind has a Body, a Soul, and a Spirit? Perhaps you could elaborate on that idea a bit. Are you aware of any other verses that teach that three-way differentiation?
And how do you understand what it means to be Born Again? Does that occur in the Spirit or the Soul?
And what is the Spiritual Body in 1 Corinthians 15:40-44? There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a NATURAL BODY; it is raised a SPIRITUAL BODY. There is a NATURAL BODY, and there is a SPIRITUAL BODY.
Father we are men and if we speak as men then all our words is in vain but if you touch this words, each one of us may be edified and glorify you amen.
I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ who is is the son of the living God and he died on the cross for my sin and rose on the third day and sit on the right hand hand of poor Amen.
-The law or the commandment of Moses was given to man to obey and if anyone obeyed he was made righteous by it. and in the New Testament at the cross by The Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ the son of the living God, the righteous requirement of the law was abolished and when Jesus Christ son of the living God gave up His ghosts at the cross the temple vail was torn in two signifying the way to the Holy of Holiest was open that thus
it is written
Hebrews 4:16
16.Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
-it is required of Christians who been redeem by Grace and faith alone and not by corruptible things like silver, gold or tradition bought by our father but by the preciouse blood Of out Lord Jesus Christ to be obedient to the Commandment of God and not only to obey but to be doer of the the WORD OF GOD.
as it is written in
James 1:22-25
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24for he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed
You state: "I think there is a difference between trying to obey the commandments and believing that we need to obey them in order to be acceptable to God." Jesus doesn't agree with you Jema, and He is telling you that we must do this to be acceptable - to Him. I previously gave you the verse below spoken by Jesus, He is telling us point blank:
Revelation 22:14"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
Jesus leaves no wiggle room in the above verse. Hebrews 4:12 False teachers are very prevalent today, they are out amongst us, they believe and teach others that they can ignore tons of scripture like this regarding the commandments and sin. They live worldly lives almost indistinguishable from the secular/atheists. They try to convince themselves, and others that they can have this world and still receive salvation. Jude 1:10
Jema, I remember FrankieJ previously gave you some good spiritual advice, I will also. We must withdraw from the world. Put God first, including His Commands/Commandments.
Stop telling yourself and others that you can NEVER stop sinning. If you have God's Holy Spirit anything is possible! Have Faith! Believe!!!
Encourage yourself and others to stop sinning. Similar to alcohol and drugs, Sin is a Addiction. If you don't acknowledge it - it will control you and ultimately bring you to destruction.
3 John 1:11 "Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."
And please remember if you want God to dwell in you: 1 John 3:24 "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."
I am sharing with you my introduction to the book of Revelation, the final introduction. And right off the bat, you want to know just by the name of the book, it is not the book of Revelations. It's the book of Revelation, singular. Some call it the book of Revelations, but that is not what it is. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
After the teaching section of Paul's letters, Romans through Philemon, comes the Jewish Literature section, Hebrews through Revelation. All of these books (Hebrews through Revelation) were written to Hebrew believers. It was also for the whole church, but it had to be understood through a Jewish perspective of the writings that were written to them.
For instance, in the vision of Christ, as John sees Him, He has a sharp two-edged sword coming out of His mouth. We know that in Hebrews 4:12, it says that the word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword. We quote it all the time. But that is a Jewish phrase that comes from Jewish literature. It originated in Isaiah Chapter 49. And we quote it. But to actually have the realization from the Jewish use of it, it's interesting and fascinating.
Always remember to keep the Jewish literature separate as far as application goes. For instance, we will see what Peter said in 1 Peter Chapter 1, that God has made us a kingdom of priests. And you've probably heard people say that God has made us priests, but that's a fulfillment of God's promise to Israel in Exodus Chapter 19, that He's going to make them a kingdom of priests.
It's not making reference to Gentiles. It's making reference to Jews. After His second coming, He will make the Hebrew and Jewish believers the priests that rule from out of Jerusalem. They will not be Gentiles.
We have to be careful of our applications. We have to know what phrases are only found in the Jewish literature, and not found in other places. It has to be understood from a Jewish point of view.
Thank you brother Giannis for adding your further thoughts to the meaning intended in Hebrews 4:2.
To the puzzle as to "why the KJV translators preferred gospel preached", my suspicion is that they, as you've pointed out, understood that the Gospel was indeed the 'good news'. But when we (post-Cross) had the Gospel preached to us, it clearly was the Good News of Christ's redemptive Work. But the Gospel preached unto them was also wonderful news, but to them it was the news of their future rest (first temporarily in Canaan, & then with the Lord forever).
So why did that Gospel not profit them? The verse states that it was because of a lack of faith. So, though the word 'Gospel' (good news) might be common in both thoughts, also the word 'Faith' is common as well; the former that they must have faith in what God had promised them in assuring them of a future Rest - and for us, that we must have faith in what God has promised us in Christ Jesus for salvation & rest.
The problem that arises when using the word 'Gospel' in this verse, is that if one believes that OT Israel also received the same Gospel as we have been given, then of course, they too must get saved as we do. But I simply do not see such a promise & provision given to them, and I don't think the KJV translators anticipated that confusion could arise later by their using the word 'Gospel', which was an apt word, though maybe perplexing to some today.
I do not equate the gospel preached to the Israelites mentioned in Hebrews 4:2 with the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses is not the gospel at all. It is the Law that brings us condemnation because no one but Christ could keep it fully.
It seems like you have misunderstood what I posted.
Hi GiGi. Just one thought in relation to this 'Gospel' in Hebrews 4:2, "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them...". We do see words, such as Gospel, which is familiar to us that can compel us to believe that the same word must apply elsewhere in the Bible. In recent discussions about the word 'parable', I showed that what we read of Jesus' parables, do not always have the same meaning in the OT (sometimes, but not always); so we need to express care in reading & understanding.
An example in Acts 7:38, "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us". Here is a classic example of how a word, with the same spelling can have another meaning (known as 'homonyms'). E.g. in English (current; ring; spring; etc. are such examples). And I understand, the same in Hebrew & Greek (Giannis/Jesse can enlighten us on this). So, if we come to Acts 7:38 with a firm belief that Luke is speaking of the Church we know today as also applying to Moses' day, then we would greatly err. Luke (in v37), was clearly referring to Deuteronomy 18:15, when Moses spoke to the people, but Luke says, "this is he (Moses), that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in mount Sina...". So what is this 'church' comprised of? Can we assume that it must also be the same Church as we have today since 'Israel was saved as well by virtue of Christ's Sacrifice from the Earth's foundation', or, is the 'church' an homonym having another meaning? In Greek, 'ekklesia' is the word for 'church', however, it can also apply to an assembly or gathering of people. And when Luke refers this to the Hebrew rendering, 'qahal', we find that it isn't the Church we know of today, but indeed a 'gathering of God's people, Israel' ( Judges 21:8, 'assembly'; 1 Chronicles 29:1, 'congregation'). So maybe the word 'Gospel' needs similar treatment.
Then what about Abraham? Abraham was dead & buried, how could he being dead rejoice to see Jesus' Day, this is the Day of Jesus' Coming? This wasn't a situation of (the Genesis) Abraham knowing about Jesus & waiting patiently with joy, for Jesus' Sacrifice & Redemption. This dialogue with the Jews was to show that Abraham was alive in Hades all this time, but NOW rejoicing to see the Messiah finally come (in Jesus' Day) Who would give full atonement to him & all others waiting in hope.
Yes, Abraham, as those many others, 'who looked for a heavenly city', expected it (in faith) & died (in faith), "not having received the promises, but seeing them afar off" ( Hebrews 11:13,16). Their faith/faithfulness to God was vibrant even to this point in their death & confinement in Hades, but until the Atonement was completed at Calvary, they remained in limbo, waiting, in expectation of the promised eternal rest that awaited them, to have Christ's Blood applied to them as well.
Now the Gospel was complete for them (what they once knew imperfectly); the eternal Rest they longed for was now realized in Christ Jesus, in Whose Blood there is Peace with God ( Colossians 1:20) & eternal Rest in Christ ( Hebrews 4:9). GBU.
Thank you, God, who cannot be tempted of evil, James 1:13 or lie, Titus 1:2. God could not fulfill the law, flesh had to fulfill it because the curse of sin was on flesh. How could you fulfill a law if you were not capable of breaking it? We are told Jesus the Son of God was tempted as we are, Hebrews 4:15. He was made flesh for the suffering of death, Hebrews 2:9.
2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus had a will of his own but was obedient to the Father, Luke 22:42. Jesus did the works of the Father, John 5:36. Jesus was sent by the Father, John 4:34John 7:16. Jesus did all the miracles by the Spirit of God that was given to Him without measure, Matt. 12:28John 3:34, when He was anointed at the Jordan, Mark 1:10Luke 4:18.
I hope this is correct forgive me if I am wrong. The Father is God but is not the Son and is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but is not the Father and is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but is not the Father and is not the Son. One God is three coexistent, co-eternal, and co-equal Persons.
If I may ask. If they are three persons, who is the Father of Jesus the Son of God? Matt. 1:18Luke 1:35. Jesus many times said He has a God and a Father, Matt. 7:21Matt. 12:50John 20:172 Cor. 11:31Ephesians 1:31 Peter 1:3. Jesus came in His Father's name, John 5:43.
My understanding, this is not a mystery that cannot be understood. God is a Spirit, John 4:24 It is His Spirit that dwelleth in us, 1 Cor. 3:161 Corinthians 2:10-12. God is Spirit, God is Holy. It is the Spirit of God that is the Holy Spirit.
Paul never used the Holy Spirit in his salutations. Jesus was begotten by His Father, Heb. 1:5. Jesus said His Father was greater than He John 14:28. Rev. 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Probably I didn't make it clear in my previous post that we may be misled to a wrong conclusion about Hebrews 4:2 and it is not our fault. To put it plainly the translation is wrong here.
Lets do some greek first, it will be useful as far as that verse is concerned. You must be a bit patient to follow me.
The phrase in KJV in Heb 4:2 "the gospel was preached" in grk it is "esmen evengelismenoi". The word "evengelismenoi" comes from the verb "evagelizomai" which is in Engl. "to evangelize". It comes from "Evangelion" (Evangelium in Latin) which means "a good message, good news". From "Ev" which in anc gtk means "good" and "angelia" which means "message" (the word "angel" comes from this word. "Angel" in anc grk means "messenger"). The word Evangelion (good message/news, gospel) today means the gospel of Christ. But that was not the case in ancient times. During Jesus' time it meant any good news, ie a message of a victory in a battle against an enemy was an evangelion(gospel), a message from the Emperor was an evangelion(gospel), even the Emperor's birthday was an evangelion(gospel), any good news actually was an evangelion(gospel).
In that context we must examine that verse. The literal/right translation is "the good message/news they were told". It has nothing to do with the gospel of Christ, and this is how this specific verse is translated in all other English translations which I searched.
So what was the good news for the Hebrews when they went out of Egypt? It was the message of a promised land where they could rest and be protected from their enemies. That is why it says that they didn't have faith in those good news. If we assume that Paul talks about Jesus' gospel, it doesn't make sense. Those Hebrews that went out of Egypt didn't believe Christ's gospel? What that gospel had to do with them, especially at the time of escaping from Egypt?
1 Cor 2:7, "But we speak the wisdom of God in a MYSTERY, even the HIDDEN wisdom, which God ordained ..."
Part 1.
Hi everyone, I would like to comment on the Sabbath rest mentioned in Exodus 20:10 and entering in that rest mentioned in Hebrews 4:10-11.
Israel as a Nation and under the Law did not enter in that rest and I will attempt to explain why.
There still remains a rest for the people of Israel. This speaks volumes on several topics; However, I would like to focus on one.
Now this is not the Church, we have joined him in his rest as mentioned here in Hebrews 4:3
Israel as a Nation stumbled as that Rock of offence by nonbelief. Yet for the most part they kept the Sabbath rest. Which was ritual pointing to one that could give them rest.
THE LAW WAS THE VIHICLE WHICH BROUGHT US TO THE ONE THAT CAN GIVE US REST!
Galatians 4:1-5. Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
We join him in his rest by way of sonship.
So, what about the written articles of God? I will speak on that in a moment.
See Part 2. The early Church.
Christ being a member of the Godhead never sinned. We see that He was tempted in all ways as we are as Hebrews 4:15 states.
In His own strength Christ certainly always had the right to do anything as well as the capability; but as we know God cannot lie ( Heb. 6:18 and other related scriptures). Thus; Satan truly was the only being that had the authority to give the right of rulership over the earth as a temptation; and Christ was the only recipient other than Antichrist who will receive this offer. The man of sin will accept it; and the world will accept THE LIE ( 2 Thess. 2:11-12). It was for our sake that Christ humbled Himself; even to death on a cross emptying Himself of all self promotion of His own glory for the sake of the Father's exaltation later. This encompasses a number of scriptures (see Philippians 2:7; Isaiah 53).
Thus; we see that the relationship among the Godhead brings humility followed by exaltation. We also should follow that guideline; knowing that no servant is greater than His master; we are also to suffer while in this brief earthly existence. ( John 13:16). How much of our own troubles are caused by our own sins varies; it is something we should overcome if we are truly to embrace His sufferings.
When we consider sinless perfection on a surface level we think of avoiding commission of acctions against God as well as avoiding omission of things we ought to do which is often neglected at the expense of the first issue. We can think of someone who never makes mistakes; never says a word that is unfitting; and other like characteristics. When examining in depth this subject we see how eternal spiritual laws and principles were always first and foremost; undergirding Christ's miracles. Salvation was shown to be more crucial than just healing (see Matthew 9:6); as the paralytic received healing along with forgiveness. Salvation is complete at the Resurrection of the just; inheriting new bodies
Sorry for the delay, thank you for your reply. My understanding in Genesis when God breathed the breath of life into the first Adam he became a living soul. The Hebrew word is nephesh, that means a living being, Adam was not given a soul he became a living soul/being. Same as the last Adam Jesus the Messiah was conceived in the womb of Mary, Luke 1:31-33, and He was a living being/nephesh.
As the first Adam, Jesus came into this world without sin, but not like the first Adam He lived a perfect life without sin totally obedient to the Father even though He was tempted as you and me, Hebrews 4:14-15.
God bless,
RLW
Hebrews 4:[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Rev 14:13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
James 2:10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Isaiah 56:[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa.11[10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Matthew 11:28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Hebrews 4:8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 10:1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Col 2:16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Exodus 31:14] Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Isaiah 56:2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isaiah 11:10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Matthew 11:28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Hebrews 4:8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
The law of Moses made nothing perfect, it was the brining in of the better hope that did Hebrews 7:9. The law of spirit and life as Jesus'words are spirit and life John 6:63. Churches of all kinds are still bound by the old law, that is why they still celebrate the Sabbath when Jesus is now our rest and not the Sabbath day anymore.
Gal.3[24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster
Rev 14:13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Hebrews 4:8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Romans 8:1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Do you believe that Satan works under the control of Christ? or
Does Satan have power of himself.
If you believe Satan is an instrument in God's hand, then why would you believe that Satan at times doesn't lie.
Satan is in every man, men lie sometimes, and other times they tell the truth; whichever, God through Satan, has predestinate.
Man will not believe that all his words were spoken before the foundation.
Psalms 90:9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath, we spend our years as a TALE being TOLD.
Quite worrying about you might be deceived, because every man starts out that way, ( Revelation 12:9) and believed what God says.
Ephesians 1:4 According as HE hath CHOSEN us IN HIM before the foundation of the world .....
Hebrews 4:3 .... the WORKS were FINISHED from the foundation of the world ....
God has appointed some to believe and some not to believe; IN THIS AGE.
God is calling you, otherwise, you would not, have COME.
It's HIS WORKS, you have no say, it's his choice of when and how much you believe.
Every man has a purpose in God's scheme of salvation and coming to truth, and whether you like it or not, you WILL NOT vary outside his purpose for you.
Only ONE person was Chosen to be John the Baptist, all thought there are many that have the same spirit as John crying out in the wilderness to repent of their sin of unbelief.
This holds true for Judas, he say CHOSEN, and he did what he was chosen for.
This holds true for Satan, he is doing what he was chosen for.
God said when Christ has put ALL THINGS under his FEET, God WILL BE ALL in ALL.
Christ will not fail in what he was SENT TO DO.
God said he would set brother against brother, he has a purpose for this, all though we can't yet see it.
Brother S Spencer and I are both in God's plan, even though we seem to be brother against brother.
All things work TOGETHER for the good of those that LOVE the LORD.
God Bless YOU!
Then,Giannis,you remain in your speculative and ficticious interpretation of the things which the own GOD REVEALED to Moses around 2500 years after Adam or around 1500 years BC,or exactly two Days and half of works, according GOD revealed to Moses and he wrote in GENESIS 1:3 to 13.TAKE A LOOK. Actually, the one whom GOD has sent speaks the Words of GOD, like Moses, and the prophets, and the apostles of JESUS,for GOD gives the Spirit without limit, and above all GOD sent my Lord JESUS himself, through whom GOD made all things,understand?
That said, your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. In fact, the person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of GOD but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit, undeerstand? He who has the Spirit makes Judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgment.
In fact, the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth.It's that. But the one who is of heaven is above all( Ephesians 1:3 combined with Philippians 3:20-21,among other Scriptures)for he testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony, but whoever has accepted it has certified that GOD is Truthful.For the one whom GOD has sent speaks the Words of GOD,for GOD gives the Spirit without limit.
Hebrews 4:12-13
12The Word of GOD is quick-the Word is GOD,SELF-EXECUTING,understand?-,and powerful,and sharper than any twoedged Sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of SOUL and SPIRIT,and of the joints and marrow,and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we must render an account.
Be careful or then get ready
I takes the whole word of God to understand any part of the word.
Romans 7
It takes other truths in God's to understand Romans 7.
If ones does not believe other truths in the word then he want understand Romans 7.
One truth that always has to be applied to any scriptures we study in the word IS:
Hebrews 4:3 .... the WORKS were finished from the foundation of the world ......
Revelation 13:8 ... the LIFE of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world .....
Matthew 25:34 ..... the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world .....
Matthew 13:35 .... things which have been keep secret from the foundation of the world ....
So, all this, the WORKS being done before the foundation, we come to this truth:
Hebrews 4:2 ... unto them was the GOSPEL PREACHED, as well as UNTO US ...
One of the truths of the gospel is your sins are forgiven, therefore their sins were forgiven from the foundation of the world.
The prophets declared this to them as well as us:
Psalms 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our SINS from us.
They didn't BELIEVE, as most today don't BELIEVE these words of God, God has not seen our sins from the foundation of the world.
So, what is this SIN that kept THEM and KEEPS us from God: his word tells us:
Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of UNBELIEF.
So, what's God's solution for UNBELIEF and the mystery keep secret from the foundation of the world.
The SPIRIT of TRUTH, pour out on man at pentecost.
John 16:8 When he is come, he will REPROVE the world of SIN ....
John 16:9 .....of SIN, because they BELIEVE NOT ......
You can believe in God, and yet, NOT BELIEVE his words.
1 Peter 1:23 You are BORN AGAIN, by the WORDS of God ....
I'm out of characters.
Meditate on these truths and we will continue on to Romans 7.
God BLESS YOU!
John
John
Time doesn't exist in God's realm, no beginning and no end.
One day is as a thousand years, that is symbolic, one day could also be as a million years.
It's just ONE DAY, TODAY.
Christ was resurrected and it became TODAY; the day of salvation, then, in our time frame, tomorrow, AGAIN, became TODAY the day of SALVATION, over and over for the last 2000 years, It's ALWAYS, TODAY the day of salvation, no beginning and no end.
Ephesians 3:21 ...... through out all AGES ......WORLD WITHOUT END ......
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, is that which SHALL BE; and that which is done is that which SHALL BE DONE, there is NO NEW THING under the sun.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have BELIEVED do enter in to REST (the Sabbath) .....the WORKS were FINISHED from the foundation of the world.
TODAY, the DAY of SALVATION, world without end.
God BLESS YOU!
Is anger a sin?
Did Christ every get angry.
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of cords, he drove them out of the temple ......
Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry ......
Romans 14:23 whatsoever is not of faith (of Christ) is sin .....
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even dividing the body and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is the discerner of the thoughts and INTENTS of the HEART.
Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I GIVE YOU, and NEW SPIRIT will I PUT IN YOU ....
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes (maybe become angry) amd keep my judgements (words) and DO THEM.
God BLESS YOU!
The words of the LORD are pure words. ( Ps 12:6-7) (pure) is #2889; it means sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated.
Every word of God is pure ( Proverbs 30:5-6) (Every) is #3605; it means the whole, all, any or every.
For the word of God is (quick) and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword ( Hebrews 4:12) (quick) #2198 it means to live, alive. The word of God is Alive, the word of God is not confusion!
God is not the author of confusion ( 1 Cor 14:33) (confusion) is #181; it means instability, i.e. disorder, inconstant, unstable.
All these different modern version bibles that change words and completely leave out whole verses are instability, disorder, they are inconstant, they are unstable! Many have changed their own words several different times! ( 1 Cor 1:10) Telle us "that we all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among us, but that we be perfectly joined together in the same mind"..
( Jer 23:36) "for ye have (perverted) the words of the living God" (perverted) is #2015; it means to change.
The words of the LORD are pure words, (pure) #2889; sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated.
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by ((every word)) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. ( Mt 4:4)
EVERY WORD!
"For we are not as many, which (corrupt) the word of God".. ( 2 Cor 2:17) (corrupt) is #2585; it means to retail, (to adulterate).
This is doctrine that's not sound doctrine, but it is instability, inconstant, and unstable! ( 2 Tim 4:3-4) IT IS CORRUPT!
Remember the words of the LORD are pure words, they are sound, (unadulterated), uncontaminated.
One eighty look up ( Ps 12:7) in your Niv bible and compare it with the KJB.
Also compare ( Mark 11:26) and ( Eph 3:9) in your Niv with the KJB.
And here's a really big one to compare ( Col 1:14)
This is the definition of (perverted), #2015 it means to change.
God Bless you, and all who seek His Truth.
Part three,
Each believer is personally responsible for living in obedience to Christ's commands. 1 Timothy 4:16. Can we come up short, Hebrews 4:1. Some of the natural branches of the house of Israel were broken off for unbelief so the people of the nations who believe and are justified are grafted in. Believers/saved can be cut off if they do not continue in his goodness/grace. Romans 11:15-24.
Much of your post I agree, it is about becoming saved and our relationship with Jesus, and if we continue to abide in Him those scriptures apply. Concerning Pentecost, Peter was pleading that they accept Jesus as their Messiah that was promised, and they killed Him, not to repent from Judaism. Peter and the disciples at this time were still observing the old law. We see years later they were still debating it in Acts 15.
1 Cor. 9:27 If we look at the wording "But I keep under my body and bring it into subjection" it is as if his body is his adversary. It is like he was beating his body whether it is said metaphorical, but to the subduing of the natural appetites of the flesh, a life of self-denial not to succumb to the sins of the flesh. The Greek adokimos translated as castaway, is the same word for reprobate, Romans 1:28 Titus 1:16. I do not think Paul is talking about rewards.
Hebrews 3:12-13 This chapter starts with "Wherefore holy brethern" These are Christians, saved, verse 6 "if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end." The writer includes himself "If We". Verses 12 and 13 are to these same people and verse 14 says "For we are made partakers of Christ" Because they are made so they are saved believers in Christ.
1 John 1:7 If is conditional a choice if you walk in the light there is fellowship, if you don't walk in the light, you are outside of the fellowship.
See part four.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the GOSPEL preached, as well as unto THEM, but the word did not profit them, not being mixed with FAITH (of Christ) in them.
The same gospel does not profit most today, they haven't died to SELF, so ONLY Christ reigns in HIS BODY (all; the NEW CREATION).
Most DO NOT BELIEVE:
Ezekiel 36:27 ANd I WILL put my spirit in my body (the NEW CREATION) and CAUSE my (NEW) body to WALK in my statutes and KEEP my judgements (WORDS) and DO THEM.
They read the words, write the words, speak the words, BUT DO NOT BELIEVE the words.
If Christ is CAUSING you to WILL and to DO, then how can one sin.
The sin is UNBELIEF. All other sins is COVERED by his blood.
When HE (the spirit of truth) IS COME (like a thief that can't be seen) HE WILL reprove the world of SIN: of SIN because they don't BELIEVE the WORD.
God BLESS YOU!
In the first sentence of your post you emphasized GOD putting His Word in the mouths of his servants,the prophets,and you highlighted Je. and Ez: Isa. came also to my memory-Is.6:1-13.
And Hebrews 1:1-2 say:1 GOD,who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these LAST DAYS(last two days or two millennia)spoken unto us by His Son...
But I would highlight also Isaiah 51:14-The captive exiled hasteneth that he may be loosed,and that he should NOT DIE in the pit, nor that his bread should fail.
15 I am the Lord thy GOD,that divided the sea(nations),whose waves roared:The Lord of hosts is his name.
16 And I have put my words in thy MOUTH, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand,that I may PLANT THE HEAVENS,and lay the foundations of the earth,and say unto Zion,Thou art my people.
The 1st heaven was planted by the Words GOD has put in the MOUTH of Moses,and His holy prophets-the Old Testament-and lasted around 1.500 years,from Moses until JESUS;
The 2nd heaven was planted by the Words GOD has put in the MOUTH of JESUS,and His Apostles-the New Testament-,and it has lasted around 2000 years;
The 3rd heaven will last 1.000 years,it will be planted by the Words GOD has left written to be announced by the captive exiled, actually a rod of iron,and a sharp Sword- Hebrews 4:12-13 combined with Rev.11:15-18,and Ps.2:1-12,and 1Thess.4:16, Daniel 12:1-3,Rev.19:11-21 and 6:2,among other biblical references.
The heaven of the heavens-the Eternity-will be established when the 3rd heaven be ended- Rev. 20:7-10;
Luke 20:35-35
35 They which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world(next world-the millennial GOD's Kingdom-,and the resurrection from the dead,neither marry,nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more:for they are equal unto the angels;and are the children of GOD,being the children of the resurrection.
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us,and give us His protection
Amen
Romans 1:21-32
Romans 1:32
the words knowing the judgements of God, implies they have a knowledge of God
Whether they profess to be a Christian or not
the righteous judgements of the Holy, Holy, Holy God will find them out! Hebrews 4:12,13
& will reward them according to their deeds, if not confessed with a godly sorrow unto repentance & forsaken, which is a reward according to their deeds also.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have BELIEVED do enter into REST (the sabbath), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall ENTER IN TO MY (the sabbath) REST; although the WORKS were FINISHED from the foundations of the world.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the GOSPEL preached, as well (as it was preached) TO THEM ......
We are just playing out what has ALREADY been written.
God's will is BEING DONE.
We are JUST POTS being CONFORMED into the IMAGE of Christ. From the first man TIL the last man.
Revelation 22:13 "I AM " Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the FIRST and the LAST.
Romans 8:29 .... he did PREDESTINATE to be CONFORMED to the IMAGE of son.
Job 38:7 When all the morning stars SANG TOGETHER (all became ONE), the SONS of GOD (all became ONE) shouted for joy?
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou hast GIVEN ME, I HAVE GIVEN THEM (finished from the foundations of the world), that they may be ONE, even as WE ARE ONE.
Psalms 46:10 Be still and know "I AM" God ......
Isaiah 26:3 Thou will KEEP HIM in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee .....
God Bless YOU!
As well, those Words uttered by God will never change & will never be lost - again showing us the abiding nature of what God has spoken & given. What has now been produced centuries later is the best we have, given how documents & fragments were preserved, collected, & translated. No translation, past or present, can ever reflect perfectly what God spoke to His prophets & servants (& then their recording) - we just need to satisfy ourselves that what we read now does align in the best possible way to the texts that were gathered.
So some turn & hold to the KJB, others reject it, even by many well-studied in biblical history & in document & text analysis, refuting our claim of the superiority of the KJB over other works, giving their preference to other versions. So to answer your last question: the "preserved" Words of God are what we have now. Preserved to the very letter? Never - but preserved in the essence of what God wants to tell us, with that Word being Spirit-generated (as it was given to the prophets of old), able to cut deep into our soul & spirit ( Hebrews 4:12).
And as I wrote, to address each of your other points would take too long & I see no value in doing so anyway, knowing how we read the Scriptures on this matter particularly. As well, I will be on vacation for about six weeks, so thank you for your time brother & may you daily experience His blessings.
The Acts 2 passage (and also in Acts 13) are teaching us something about the Nature of Salvation in Paul's and Peter's preaching. In doing so they are referencing Psalm 16 and providing a commentary on this Psalm and it is very clear that The Holy One spoken of in these verses is Christ Himself, not David the man.
Christ endured the Wrath of God, eternal death, in full payment for the sins of His Elect and then rose from that death. It is Christ's soul, not David's soul that is in view.
I have always understood the Soul to be the Spirit essence of an individual, and therefore synonymous. So mankind has a physical BODY and a Spirit essence, his SOUL. But the Hebrews 4:12 verse is interesting. I have some thoughts about that verse but not prepared to share yet.
But I'm puzzled by your differentiating between the Soul and the Spirit of man. So are you saying that mankind has a Body, a Soul, and a Spirit? Perhaps you could elaborate on that idea a bit. Are you aware of any other verses that teach that three-way differentiation?
And how do you understand what it means to be Born Again? Does that occur in the Spirit or the Soul?
And what is the Spiritual Body in 1 Corinthians 15:40-44? There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a NATURAL BODY; it is raised a SPIRITUAL BODY. There is a NATURAL BODY, and there is a SPIRITUAL BODY.
Father we are men and if we speak as men then all our words is in vain but if you touch this words, each one of us may be edified and glorify you amen.
I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ who is is the son of the living God and he died on the cross for my sin and rose on the third day and sit on the right hand hand of poor Amen.
-The law or the commandment of Moses was given to man to obey and if anyone obeyed he was made righteous by it. and in the New Testament at the cross by The Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ the son of the living God, the righteous requirement of the law was abolished and when Jesus Christ son of the living God gave up His ghosts at the cross the temple vail was torn in two signifying the way to the Holy of Holiest was open that thus
it is written
Hebrews 4:16
16.Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
-it is required of Christians who been redeem by Grace and faith alone and not by corruptible things like silver, gold or tradition bought by our father but by the preciouse blood Of out Lord Jesus Christ to be obedient to the Commandment of God and not only to obey but to be doer of the the WORD OF GOD.
as it is written in
James 1:22-25
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24for he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed
and in
read part 2.
You state: "I think there is a difference between trying to obey the commandments and believing that we need to obey them in order to be acceptable to God." Jesus doesn't agree with you Jema, and He is telling you that we must do this to be acceptable - to Him. I previously gave you the verse below spoken by Jesus, He is telling us point blank:
Revelation 22:14"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
Jesus leaves no wiggle room in the above verse. Hebrews 4:12 False teachers are very prevalent today, they are out amongst us, they believe and teach others that they can ignore tons of scripture like this regarding the commandments and sin. They live worldly lives almost indistinguishable from the secular/atheists. They try to convince themselves, and others that they can have this world and still receive salvation. Jude 1:10
Jema, I remember FrankieJ previously gave you some good spiritual advice, I will also. We must withdraw from the world. Put God first, including His Commands/Commandments.
Stop telling yourself and others that you can NEVER stop sinning. If you have God's Holy Spirit anything is possible! Have Faith! Believe!!!
Encourage yourself and others to stop sinning. Similar to alcohol and drugs, Sin is a Addiction. If you don't acknowledge it - it will control you and ultimately bring you to destruction.
3 John 1:11 "Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."
And please remember if you want God to dwell in you: 1 John 3:24 "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."
GBU
I am sharing with you my introduction to the book of Revelation, the final introduction. And right off the bat, you want to know just by the name of the book, it is not the book of Revelations. It's the book of Revelation, singular. Some call it the book of Revelations, but that is not what it is. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
After the teaching section of Paul's letters, Romans through Philemon, comes the Jewish Literature section, Hebrews through Revelation. All of these books (Hebrews through Revelation) were written to Hebrew believers. It was also for the whole church, but it had to be understood through a Jewish perspective of the writings that were written to them.
For instance, in the vision of Christ, as John sees Him, He has a sharp two-edged sword coming out of His mouth. We know that in Hebrews 4:12, it says that the word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword. We quote it all the time. But that is a Jewish phrase that comes from Jewish literature. It originated in Isaiah Chapter 49. And we quote it. But to actually have the realization from the Jewish use of it, it's interesting and fascinating.
Always remember to keep the Jewish literature separate as far as application goes. For instance, we will see what Peter said in 1 Peter Chapter 1, that God has made us a kingdom of priests. And you've probably heard people say that God has made us priests, but that's a fulfillment of God's promise to Israel in Exodus Chapter 19, that He's going to make them a kingdom of priests.
It's not making reference to Gentiles. It's making reference to Jews. After His second coming, He will make the Hebrew and Jewish believers the priests that rule from out of Jerusalem. They will not be Gentiles.
We have to be careful of our applications. We have to know what phrases are only found in the Jewish literature, and not found in other places. It has to be understood from a Jewish point of view.
To the puzzle as to "why the KJV translators preferred gospel preached", my suspicion is that they, as you've pointed out, understood that the Gospel was indeed the 'good news'. But when we (post-Cross) had the Gospel preached to us, it clearly was the Good News of Christ's redemptive Work. But the Gospel preached unto them was also wonderful news, but to them it was the news of their future rest (first temporarily in Canaan, & then with the Lord forever).
So why did that Gospel not profit them? The verse states that it was because of a lack of faith. So, though the word 'Gospel' (good news) might be common in both thoughts, also the word 'Faith' is common as well; the former that they must have faith in what God had promised them in assuring them of a future Rest - and for us, that we must have faith in what God has promised us in Christ Jesus for salvation & rest.
The problem that arises when using the word 'Gospel' in this verse, is that if one believes that OT Israel also received the same Gospel as we have been given, then of course, they too must get saved as we do. But I simply do not see such a promise & provision given to them, and I don't think the KJV translators anticipated that confusion could arise later by their using the word 'Gospel', which was an apt word, though maybe perplexing to some today.
I do not equate the gospel preached to the Israelites mentioned in Hebrews 4:2 with the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses is not the gospel at all. It is the Law that brings us condemnation because no one but Christ could keep it fully.
It seems like you have misunderstood what I posted.
An example in Acts 7:38, "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us". Here is a classic example of how a word, with the same spelling can have another meaning (known as 'homonyms'). E.g. in English (current; ring; spring; etc. are such examples). And I understand, the same in Hebrew & Greek (Giannis/Jesse can enlighten us on this). So, if we come to Acts 7:38 with a firm belief that Luke is speaking of the Church we know today as also applying to Moses' day, then we would greatly err. Luke (in v37), was clearly referring to Deuteronomy 18:15, when Moses spoke to the people, but Luke says, "this is he (Moses), that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in mount Sina...". So what is this 'church' comprised of? Can we assume that it must also be the same Church as we have today since 'Israel was saved as well by virtue of Christ's Sacrifice from the Earth's foundation', or, is the 'church' an homonym having another meaning? In Greek, 'ekklesia' is the word for 'church', however, it can also apply to an assembly or gathering of people. And when Luke refers this to the Hebrew rendering, 'qahal', we find that it isn't the Church we know of today, but indeed a 'gathering of God's people, Israel' ( Judges 21:8, 'assembly'; 1 Chronicles 29:1, 'congregation'). So maybe the word 'Gospel' needs similar treatment.
Then what about Abraham? Abraham was dead & buried, how could he being dead rejoice to see Jesus' Day, this is the Day of Jesus' Coming? This wasn't a situation of (the Genesis) Abraham knowing about Jesus & waiting patiently with joy, for Jesus' Sacrifice & Redemption. This dialogue with the Jews was to show that Abraham was alive in Hades all this time, but NOW rejoicing to see the Messiah finally come (in Jesus' Day) Who would give full atonement to him & all others waiting in hope.
Yes, Abraham, as those many others, 'who looked for a heavenly city', expected it (in faith) & died (in faith), "not having received the promises, but seeing them afar off" ( Hebrews 11:13,16). Their faith/faithfulness to God was vibrant even to this point in their death & confinement in Hades, but until the Atonement was completed at Calvary, they remained in limbo, waiting, in expectation of the promised eternal rest that awaited them, to have Christ's Blood applied to them as well.
Now the Gospel was complete for them (what they once knew imperfectly); the eternal Rest they longed for was now realized in Christ Jesus, in Whose Blood there is Peace with God ( Colossians 1:20) & eternal Rest in Christ ( Hebrews 4:9). GBU.
Thank you, God, who cannot be tempted of evil, James 1:13 or lie, Titus 1:2. God could not fulfill the law, flesh had to fulfill it because the curse of sin was on flesh. How could you fulfill a law if you were not capable of breaking it? We are told Jesus the Son of God was tempted as we are, Hebrews 4:15. He was made flesh for the suffering of death, Hebrews 2:9.
2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus had a will of his own but was obedient to the Father, Luke 22:42. Jesus did the works of the Father, John 5:36. Jesus was sent by the Father, John 4:34 John 7:16. Jesus did all the miracles by the Spirit of God that was given to Him without measure, Matt. 12:28 John 3:34, when He was anointed at the Jordan, Mark 1:10 Luke 4:18.
I hope this is correct forgive me if I am wrong. The Father is God but is not the Son and is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but is not the Father and is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but is not the Father and is not the Son. One God is three coexistent, co-eternal, and co-equal Persons.
If I may ask. If they are three persons, who is the Father of Jesus the Son of God? Matt. 1:18 Luke 1:35. Jesus many times said He has a God and a Father, Matt. 7:21 Matt. 12:50 John 20:17 2 Cor. 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 1 Peter 1:3. Jesus came in His Father's name, John 5:43.
My understanding, this is not a mystery that cannot be understood. God is a Spirit, John 4:24 It is His Spirit that dwelleth in us, 1 Cor. 3:16 1 Corinthians 2:10-12. God is Spirit, God is Holy. It is the Spirit of God that is the Holy Spirit.
Paul never used the Holy Spirit in his salutations. Jesus was begotten by His Father, Heb. 1:5. Jesus said His Father was greater than He John 14:28. Rev. 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
God bless,
RLW
Probably I didn't make it clear in my previous post that we may be misled to a wrong conclusion about Hebrews 4:2 and it is not our fault. To put it plainly the translation is wrong here.
Lets do some greek first, it will be useful as far as that verse is concerned. You must be a bit patient to follow me.
The phrase in KJV in Heb 4:2 "the gospel was preached" in grk it is "esmen evengelismenoi". The word "evengelismenoi" comes from the verb "evagelizomai" which is in Engl. "to evangelize". It comes from "Evangelion" (Evangelium in Latin) which means "a good message, good news". From "Ev" which in anc gtk means "good" and "angelia" which means "message" (the word "angel" comes from this word. "Angel" in anc grk means "messenger"). The word Evangelion (good message/news, gospel) today means the gospel of Christ. But that was not the case in ancient times. During Jesus' time it meant any good news, ie a message of a victory in a battle against an enemy was an evangelion(gospel), a message from the Emperor was an evangelion(gospel), even the Emperor's birthday was an evangelion(gospel), any good news actually was an evangelion(gospel).
In that context we must examine that verse. The literal/right translation is "the good message/news they were told". It has nothing to do with the gospel of Christ, and this is how this specific verse is translated in all other English translations which I searched.
So what was the good news for the Hebrews when they went out of Egypt? It was the message of a promised land where they could rest and be protected from their enemies. That is why it says that they didn't have faith in those good news. If we assume that Paul talks about Jesus' gospel, it doesn't make sense. Those Hebrews that went out of Egypt didn't believe Christ's gospel? What that gospel had to do with them, especially at the time of escaping from Egypt?
1 Cor 2:7, "But we speak the wisdom of God in a MYSTERY, even the HIDDEN wisdom, which God ordained ..."