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  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Kinsman redeemer by the humanity of Jesus Christ.

    We see the kinsman redeemer in Leviticus 25:25. and we see it carried out in the book of Ruth chapters 1-4.

    we see in Revelation 5:1-5. we see a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. and no one was able to open the book but the Lord Jesus. If you notice verse 3 it had to be a "MAN"/Human. And he had to be able. Perfect/Sinless. and he has to be willing. This could only happen by the deity of Christ in his Human form.

    (His deity, He cannot sin.) (His humanity, He can take on our sin.) His humanity makes him our kinsman redeemer.

    References:

    Galatians 4:4-5.

    Hebrews 2:9-11.

    Luke 4:18:19. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. "Restitution of all things"

    Acts 3:21. (I believe this is yet to come)

    I believe the jubilee foreshadowed this.

    study Leviticus 25:8-25.

    What are we presently redeemed from? Galatians 3:13. The law condemned us and faith in Christ justified us.

    Galatians 3:5-13.

    However, our bodies have not been redeemed yet, If so there will be no more death.

    Also, Romans 8:19-23.

    GOD BLESS.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee on Colossians 2 - 3 years ago
    I will comment on versus 14-15; the Old Testament was called the handwriting of ordinances as in Ephesians 2:14-16, which was blotted out as it was against Christians, being contrary to Christians. Christ, took it out of the way, nailing the Old Testament to his cross, spoiling the principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them.

    Let us be warned not to take down from the cross what the Lord Jesus nailed there, to build his church, or we too will be transgressors, knowing that any Christians who obeys one Old Testament law, is under the curse to obey all of them. Galatians 3:10
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - In Reply on Psalms 110 - 3 years ago
    Hi Rod; When speaking about the law being destroyed, I am talking about the Old Testament, which is also called the Mosaic Law. It was this law that was destroyed by the Lord Jesus Christ on Calvary according to the wisdom of the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 Knowing as Christians if we obey one of those laws we are cursed to obey them all. Galatians 3:10 which is a quotation from Deut. 27:26 Now in your argument you thought I was speaking about the Ten Commandments in stone according to Matthew 5:17-18 This is referred unto in scripture as the old covenant, as in Deut. 5:2-3 and Hebrews 9:4 These are two different laws, the one O.T. is the law of Moses, while the other one, old covenant, is the Law of the Lord, or Law of God, or moral law. These are not the same, although they share the same name as the word law, but have two distinct different meanings. While the Old testament was created by angels, as in Acts 7:53 and Galatians 3:19 knowing the word disposition and ordained share a similar meaning, to set in order or create, yet the Ten Commandments in stone, was written by the finger of God. Now this law had an expiry date, Christ did not come to destroy this law, but to fulfil this law, but once it was fulfilled it was then dead, as In Matthew 5:18 - Luke 16:16 - Romans 7:6-7 If you read carefully those scriptures I have mentioned, and need be, pray over them, you should come to the understanding of the Apostle Paul on this matter as he fought against obeying these two things in many of his epistles, as he was against Christians obeying the Old Testament and the old covenant. Because you mentioned the least commandments in Matthew 5:19 I would like to say, these twelve hundred commandments found in the gospels and epistles, are all to be considered the least commandments, while only the two greatest commandments on how to love God, and how to love your neighbor need interpretation by these least commandments of how this is done
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - In Reply on Psalms 110 - 3 years ago
    Hi Chris; Whenever I refer unto the Old Testament I also call it the law of Moses, because he was the mediator between God and Israel, however; the old covenant simple means the Ten Commandments in stone as in Deuteronomy 5:2-3 & Hebrews 9:4 - Jer. 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-7 Genesis holds three covenants created before the Old Testament, Adam, Noah and Abraham all received a covenant, which was not the Old Testament. Then the angels created the Old Testament, Acts 7:53 & Galatians 3:19 During that dispensation, about 1,600 years or so, God gave the old covenant (Ten Commandments in stone) and the Davidical covenant, howbeit, neither of these were the Old Testament. It is generally speculated that the Old Testament has 613 laws, actually all of which should be in the book of Leviticus, meaning the O.T. specifically is only Leviticus, all other books before the New Testament are not the Old Testament, they are written during that dispensation, although some of them, like Exodus, numbers and Deuteronomy have some of the O.T. written within it. Therefore; you cannot put the four gospels in the Old Testament, as they do not contain any Old Testament laws, neither do they contain obedience to the old covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in stone. The old covenant was magnified by the Lord Jesus Christ Isaiah 42:21 making it spiritual, harder to obey, and was written in the heart of all Christians Jer. 31:31-34 - Hebrews 8:6-13 & James 1:21 This n.c. sets us free from the o.c. as in Romans 8 for the law of life in Christ Jesus, has made me free from the law of sin and death. It should be noted that the Old Testament was destroyed by the death of Christ on Calvary as in Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 Knowing if we obey one commandment from that law we are cursed according to Gal. 3:10 and Deut. 27:26 Yet the old covenant was magnified, not destroyed, but fulfilled as in Matthew 5:17-18 although it had an expiry date, as in Luke 16:16 I hope this is clear.
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 110 - 3 years ago
    Thank you for taking the time to write back, Dr. Lee. From what you've written, the Old Testament was an angelic creation, ordained by them, & not part of the given Law. I hope I've understood this correctly. However, when re-reading Acts 7:53 & Galatians 3:19, I see that in both verses, the Law is spoken of (not splitting it between the Decalogue & the 613 Laws, where one is the Law & the other, the Old Testament).

    When we consider that the title, 'Old Testament' was the creation of a division because of the increased volume of books (NT) & for necessity's sake, done in the 2nd Century AD, we accept that the Old Testament was simply an identification & creation of a partition of what was a collection of biblical records pre-Christ from those post-Christ. Indeed, much of the Gospels should actually be placed in the OT for that reason. And the word "testament", which means 'a covenant, an agreement', would simply show that this older part of the Bible contained the five covenants made by God with His people & all that transpired from them. But I see that you understand this term, 'Old Testament', differently, & it's this aspect that intrigued me, & even after the references you gave, I still cannot see the meaning you shared (at least from the Scriptures), between the Old Covenant (singular, pertaining to the Mosaic) & the Old Testament (incorporating all the Covenants plus the prophecies & other writings).
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - In Reply on Psalms 110 - 3 years ago
    Hi Chris;

    Glad to see your interest in the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament, as the old covenant was writing with the finger of God, the Old Testament was created by angels. We are first told this truth from Steven in Acts 7:53 he taught the law of Moses was given by the disposition of angels, then the apostle Paul taught in Galatians 3:19 the Old Testament was ordained by angels. These words are interchangeable, as they have the same meaning, to set in order, or to create, meaning, it was not God who created the Old Testament, it was the angels. When understanding that this law was destroyed by the Lord Jesus on Calvary from Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 our focus must be only on those 613 laws regarding, the seven feasts of Israel, animal sacrifices, clean and unclean, new moons and sabbaths, and such like. We never refer to the prophecies that were written during that dispensation as part of the law being destroyed, as these were not the law of Moses at all. Just like Psalms and proverbs and so forth, these are not the Old Testament, they were written during that dispensation, but this does not make them part of that ceremonial law. Today we follow the New Testament and the new covenant, which are the Ten Commandments written in the heart, we also observe the gospel and the gospel of the kingdom, as Christians today, but we are forbidden to obey one Old Testament law as it will bring a curse upon Christians to obey all the O.T. Galatians 3:10 Therefore in conclusion, we understand the will of God today as follows, the gospel, the New Testament, the gospel of the kingdom and the new covenant. If you desire to learn the difference between any of these four categories which make up the will of God, please let me know and we can look into together. Stay blessed
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - In Reply on Psalms 110 - 3 years ago
    Hi Rod;

    I read what you wrote and questions have arisen from your thoughts, you stated the Old Testament was not destroyed based upon Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15, I think you should re=read those scriptures again and pray over them for meaning, also, if the Old Testament is not destroyed can you obey even one Old Testament law today? Knowing if you do, you are cursed as a Christians to obey all 613 laws from the Old Testament. Galatians 3:10 Then you said I should read Hebrews 9:11-14 stating the ordinances are no longer of value because of the blood of Christ, I do not think these verses are teaching what you are implying at all, as this is about the blood of Christ cleaning our conscience, not about him removing the Old Testament by his blood. You then went on to talk about the Ten Commandments in stone from Matthew 5:18 and then you quoted it again from Galatians 5:14, I will ask this question, do you know the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament? By your thoughts it appears you think they are the same thing, otherwise why mention the Law of God, when I was talking about the Old Testament being destroyed? The Ten Commandments in stone is the old covenant, it is not a testament, please do not confuse them, they must be kept separate, as the old covenant was replaced with the new covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in the heart. Hebrews 8:6-7 But the Old Testament was not replaced it was destroyed.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - In Reply on Psalms 110 - 3 years ago
    Hi Rick Mentzer;

    It is true when you say today we give from the heart, but this is not the case when you are being told Malachi 3:8-10 God will curse you if you do not tithe. Why do people not understand that in Malachi, God wanted meat in his house, not money, as Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy all testify that tithing has nothing to do with money, it is always about fruits, vegetables and animals, and a man must eat his tithe with his wife, children, slaves, and a Levitical priest, once every year. The freedom you spoke of is an illusion for many who do not know the bible, that tithing was for Israel alone, and it was destroyed with all the other laws of Moses from the Old Testament. Now do I really care about tithing, no, I care about people not obeying one Old Testament law, otherwise they will be cursed to obey all the 613 laws from the Old Testament. Galatians 3:10 % Galatians 5:1-4
  • Rod - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Yes I agree completely, we cannot earn our way to God, hopefully I didn't imply that we can. what I was saying in my post was that in Matthew 5:17, Jesus fulfilled the law and prophets, and the ordinances (not the laws) were abolished on the cross, ie. circumcision, sin offerings etc. that were required, Hebrews 9:8-14 explains this

    Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

    Galatians 3:10-14 "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

    James 2:10-11 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

    I'm a great sinner and thank God that Jesus is a greater Saviour. GB
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Connie L Brundage Another added point on faith without works is dead. When we are born again confess Romans

    10:9+10 and believe in our hearts what we confess then we receive Holy spirit which Galatians 3:22 describes as the

    faith of Jesus Christ which is the bridge that spanned the gap between natural man and God. This his gift that being

    said we do the work of action on Gods word in our lifestyles as Jesse shared a bit to produce the affects of the gift

    on our personal lives. Fruit of he spirit Galatians 5:22 these are products that start appearing in our lives as a result

    of changing out lifestyles to spiritual thinking Gods revealed word. some of those thoughts Philippians 4:6-9, Eph. 5:1

    +2, Eph.4:21-32 their are many of these then you have lots of examples in the gospels. Good Stuff.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    This is my name.

    It's alright if you don't wish to respond to me, which ever the reasons may be. Please read: John 19:28, 1 Peter 1:20,

    John 19:36, prophetic fulfilled by Isaiah the same Prophet that declares GOD's recompense, vengeance, punishment. Romans 11:2,

    Luke 4:18,19, Isaiah 53, Luke 4:23-27, Galatians 3:8, Acts 8:32, Mark 15:28, Psalms 22, John 19,

    John 19:37, John 20:9, 2 Timothy 3:16, Mark 12:10, John 13:18, John 7:42, John 17:12,

    Luke 8:28

    Jude 1,

    Matthew 25:31-46,
  • Dr. Lyle Lee on Psalms 110 - 3 years ago
    I desire to comment on verse four alone, when God swore, he made a promise, that the Lord Jesus Christ would be a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek. From this promise we understand that the whole Old Testament is of no longer any value to Christianity, why, due to the fact it remains under the priesthood of Levi, knowing Christ was not from that tribe, but from the tribe of Judah. Therefore he cannot go under the Old Testament law as a priest to help anyone, thus, the Apostle Paul concludes; Galatians 5:1-4 if you obey even one Old Testament law, Christ will profit you nothing, you are fallen from grace, being cursed to obey all the Old Testament law because you obeyed one, Old Testament law. Galatians 3:10 As Christians we should also know that the Muslim religion is false, based upon God never repenting of the Melchizedek priesthood given unto the Lord Jesus Christ, knowing that Islam is build upon Old Testament laws from the priesthood of Levy, so with affirmation, and without doubt we can stand boldly and testify God is not a double minded person.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 22 - 3 years ago
    Hi Jocelynne.

    The account is in Genesis 22:1-18.

    It's a lot to this story than what meets the Eye.

    Issac was the child of promise and heir of the blessings promised to Abraham and by which the seed would come and by which all the world would be blessed.

    Genesis 15:5-6.

    Genesis 21:12.

    ( And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.)

    Now if God was going to keep his promise "WHICH HE ALWAYS DO, BECAUSE GOD CAN'T LIE" Abraham would have to believe in something else. THE RESURRECTION!!

    Hebrews 11:17-19. By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

    Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

    Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; FROM WHENCE ALSO HE RECEIVED HIM IN A FIGURE.

    I believe this is where the Gospel is preached to Abraham.

    Galatians 3:8.

    Genesis 22:14. And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, IN THE MOUNT OF THE LORD IT SHALL BE SEEN.

    I believe the Lord Jesus was offered up on that same hill.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} water baptism today? - In Reply on Deuteronomy 25 - 3 years ago
    Precious friend, Scripture is NOT in "Great Error"

    1 Corinthians 1:17

    Paul Was NOT Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

    Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5 ) ( Colossians 2:12 ) ( Galatians 3:27 ) ( Romans 6:3-4 ) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13 )

    Just to Be DOUBLY Sure Of God's WORD Of Truth!:

    Paul, Inspired Of God, wrote:

    "For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach The Gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest The Cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17

    God's 'Simple' Will: Link
  • S Spencer on Mathew 3:10-11. - In Reply on Deuteronomy 25 - 3 years ago
    Hi

    Mathew 3:10-11.

    I would like to add one or two more things that I believe is to be very important. Whether by water baptism or baptism by the Holyspirit, is it evident in your life that spiritual baptism has taken place.

    You will run into 2 major groups engage on this topic. One group is those who believe you are saved by confessing Jesus and keeping the commandments. Some of this group believe you can lose your salvation. This group is bond to a work base religion.

    The other group believes "for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    Even the faith you are being saved through is not your faith! it is a gift of God!

    You have nothing to offer God in terms of salvation! I hold this view.

    True baptism when you "GENUINELY" accept Christ as your savior there is production in your life that begins. You can't produce it or keep it from producing as you feed on the word.

    I will share a few by verses below and hopefully others can expand on them or add to.

    Notice Paul' he didn't have much to say about water baptism, but he had a lot to say about baptism by the Holyspirit.

    Romans 6:4.

    Romans 6:6-8.

    Romans 6:11.

    It does well to study all of Romans 6 to expand a little on "the production' of spiritual baptism.

    JOHNS BAPTISM.

    you can see a picture of this transition for the Jews drawn out for you by Paul in Romans 7:1-2. Read all.

    Now read Mathew 3:10-11.

    Israel was a natural branch that didn't bear fruit. Jeremiah 2:21. "Nor could it"

    Also read Mathew 21:42-44. and John 15:1-7.

    Now let's get back to our 2 groups.

    You have the 1st group I mentioned that put themselves in bondage as did Israel and despising the truth.

    believing in baptism outwardly but unbaptized inwardly.

    EXAMPLE: Romans 2:25-29.

    The 2nd group

    Philippians 3:3.

    Galatians 3:13.

    John 8:36.

    The outcome.

    1John 2:3.

    1 John 4:21.

    This Love cannot be produced by self.

    God bless.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Alex; After reading what you wrote I agree that there is a spiritual Israel, the Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 2:29 all Christians are circumcised in their hearts and are Jews, meaning all people regardless of color or nationality, male or female, we are now the heirs of the promises of Abraham. Galatians 3:29 However, I do not agree that God has or ever will have a grandson, The Holy Ghost is God in the doctrine of the godhead Colossians 2:9 and all Christians are his children, not his grand children.
  • T. Le - In Reply on Luke 1 - 3 years ago
    The Holy Spirit did exist & manifest itself in people prior. Genesis 1:2, Genesis 6:3, Genesis 41:38, Judges 3:10, Judges 6:3, Judges 11:29, 1 Samuel 11:6-7, 1 Samuel 16:13, 2 Kings 2:9,

    1 Samuel 16:14, 1 Samuel 19:20,

    There are more references. Here are some more study references. Hope this helps.

    appears to be different in the manifestation unto many people at the same time with many events occurring.

    Also people being able to transfer the HOLY Spirit to another seems to appear after CHRIST was resurrected from death & the grave. Acts 1, Acts 9:17,31, Acts 10:44, Acts 11:15,16, Acts 13:52, Acts 19:1-11,

    Ephesians 5:9, Galatians 3:14, Romans 8:1,

    Please read the WORD of GOD,
  • Let's be more sensitive to the presence of the Accuser of the Brethern - In Reply on 1 Timothy 2 - 3 years ago
    Anybody doing anything for Jesus Christ always attracts " Fruit inspectors"

    If women feel the call to minister in Jesus Name; then these men pull out a 20 lb Scoffield Reference Bible and hit them with the LAW.

    Keep scripture in context !! They were sitting behind a screen or across the aisle, leaning over to ask their husbands " (Loud) what does that mean sweetie?

    Paul was a Pharisee before he got saved. Just like US, it takes the Lord a while to work that stuff out of us. Joel 3:28-29, Acts 21:9. 1 Corinthians 12:23, Galatians 3:28__says the ladies may preach and prophesy. Deborah was a judge!

    And DONT write me a rebuke ok, thanks.

    There some anointed (by the Holy Spirit) women in these rooms. My Bible says, "touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm."

    Just now on YouTube I saw a guy saying Pastor Greg Laurie is Apostate because he evangelized rock stars!! The key word here is ACCUSER. Satan is the Father of Lies, and THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHERN AND THE SISTERS.

    I took lots of women to the streets of Roswell New Mexico to learn cold contact street evangelism. Never once did they discuss hair or nails.

    They had their Bibles, they knew where all the key passages were. When we did courthouse lawn Rapture Movies Night, they ministered the Word. People got saved. They bought their own tracts to hand out too. Those were the days.

    If I've said it 50 times :D everybody will take a comic book tract. They like comics! Go to CHICK TRACTS online. You can read what you're buying. Write your church name on the back. Always sit with your "lambs" and introduce them around at church.

    You may receive the SOUL WINNERS CROWN at the Bema Seat of Christ :O

    I wrapped gifts for people all afternoon. No one likes to do it anymore.

    Guys, Jesus is coming back very soon. The Pope is pushing Israel to give up the West Bank totally.

    It is another key sign. Land for freedom to get the 3rd Temple built. Pray for Israel every day.

    Mishael
  • Robby B - 3 years ago
    I guess you may have overlooked this:

    Galatians 3:28

    "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
  • S Spencer - 3 years ago
    Hi Sister GiGi.

    Great read. I like to add some input on the blessings Jacob gave his sons.

    I believe the blessings to Abraham and Issac went through the Lineage of Judah.

    Here's why.

    Genesis 22:18.

    Galatians 3:14.

    Galatians 3:16.

    Now here is Judahs blessing.

    Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.

    Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?

    THE SCEPTRE SHALL NOT DEPART FROM JUDAH, NOR A LAWGIVER FROM BETWEEN HIS FEET, UNTIL SHILOH COME; AND UNTO HIM SHALL THE GATHERING OF THE PEOPLE BE.

    Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

    His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk. Genesis 49:8-12.

    Abraham's blessing to Issac was because he was Promised! He was God's doing! We are children of Promise as well.

    Galatians 4:28.

    Ishmael was the works of their own hands "Works of the flesh " ( This has a lot of spiritual application )

    Here is the Contrast of the two.

    Galatians 4:29-31.

    Verse 30 says Issac is the heir this connects him to the promise on through Jacob on Judah to Christ. Revelation 5:5.

    What's interesting is Jacob blessing Joseph sons out of order instituting the reverse sovereign order of the firstborn as seen in Romans 9:11-12. Romans 9:11.

    ("that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;")

    I believe we see the contract of Works and Grace, Flesh and Spirit, The narrow gate and the wide gate. And the putting asleep of Abraham when the unconditional covenant was made. All in These verses.

    God bless you and Good night.
  • Chris - In Reply on Colossians 2 - 3 years ago
    Amen Rick, well written. Yet, the matter of "the cross removing the curse of the law" & "after being born again start with a clean slate", might have bearing on what a believer should do when confronted with the Law in the Bible. Most will 'play safe' & want to obey the Law because it's in the Word after all, & the right thing to do before God. But the Scriptures tell us in Galatians 3:10,13, that the Law which is Holy from God, now becomes a curse to those still under it or those who put themselves there. And that Christ has redeemed us from that curse & by extension, has set us free ( Galatians 5:1).

    Maybe, folk haven't thought it through when they say, 'I obey the Ten Commandments' or, "I follow God's Laws". I can understand what they mean, but theologically, it's a dangerous statement, because one cannot be "in Christ" & "under the Law" simultaneously. It's one or the other. If bound to the Law, judgement comes from that position. If bound to Christ, the Law & its curse are removed, we're set free, & we're led in newness of life in obedience & maturing by the Spirit.
  • Chris - In Reply on Colossians 2 - 3 years ago
    Hello Rick. That's interesting that you mention Colossians 2:16-20. In the sermon this morning, I was directed to Colossians 2:12-15 - verses just before the ones you gave. It came as a confirmation of what the New Covenant in Christ's Blood accomplished: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross". The Law as given was truly "holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good", but it failed to make a man righteous, rather to point him to his inability to keep it & his need of a Saviour.

    Galatians 3:19-23: "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."

    And this faith that leads to salvation came after the work at the Cross was accomplished & the Holy Spirit was sent to give those earnestly seeking forgiveness, giving to them God's Grace & Faith to believe ( Ephesians 2:8). The Sabbath might be holy but if the Jewish rigidity of obedience is ascribed to it by Christians under the Blood, then both it & the whole Law nullifies one of the core accomplishments of the Cross: liberty to walk & obey in the Spirit & not by the letter.
  • Rick - In Reply on John 7 - 3 years ago
    Hi Bro Dan I will rephrase he condemned the what the religious leaders were using Gods commandment to

    to accomplish self righteousness don't do any work on the sabbath which means don't heal anybody

    That's what I'm talking about, in our day and time some people say the sabbath is saturday some say sunday

    the idea is our rest is in the believing of what was accomplished by Jesus Christ spiritually which fulfills the

    law. The law was our schoolmaster until Christ Galatians 3:21-29 if someone declares that if I by occupation

    or choose to go to a fellowship in a house and not a building with a steeple and cross does that make me

    a sinner? My bible says the church are the people eklesia which is a gathering of people who come together

    for one common purpose ours is to worship and love God. We who walk by the spirit fulfill the law.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Deuteronomy 31 - 3 years ago
    Thanks Rick,

    That's how I see it. Any labor on my part which is not under the persuasion (PEITHO/faith) of God's Spirit, that labor is in vain. I was just reading through Galatians Chapter 3, and Galatians 3:3 stood out to me which says "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

    So Paul is addressing these people (Celtics/Gauls), and he's basically reminding them that they received Christ by faith, but after being saved by faith, are you now made perfect by the flesh (Human works)? They were being told that they could receive the Messiah but they still needed to keep the law in order to be saved. But in Galatians, we are told grace/faith are not to be mixed with fleshly works.

    Today, people are being told that you are saved by faith alone, but once you're saved, then your salvation becomes works based. There's only one thing a person must do and that is to surrender their life to Christ.

    If we began in the Spirit by faith, are we now made complete, or mature, by the works of the flesh? I can't speak for anyone else, but personally for myself, there isn't anything that I can do in the human. In fact, the more I do in the human when it comes to the things of Christ, the more I take away from His finished work. I can't add to it. I can only receive and believe!

    Thanks again for your encouragement. God Bless!!!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    HI Brother Dan.

    Sorry but your comment misses the point.

    We ALL Know there's different views.

    But all views don't have anything to do with Christian faith.

    Infact some views is an offense to the faith.

    That's why I posted 2 John 1:10-11.

    How do you Interpret that verse?

    HERE'S PAUL RESPONSE TO ONE THAT SUPPORTS A WORKS BASED SALVATION.

    Galatians 1:6-9.

    Galatians 3:1-29.

    How do you Interpret this?

    And this

    Matthew 7:6.

    If one is preaching another Gospel How could he be Christian?

    There's many views, But one truth.

    I certainly don't know it all but I pray to have the courage to apply what little I do know!!

    And these verses and many more seems to give value to my point.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Hans.

    You may want to go back over what you are disagreeing on.

    The Emphasis here is by faith Abraham was counted righteous APART from the deeds of the Law.

    Please see Galatians 4:21-28

    Here's the Context of my Original post

    Galatians 4:28

    Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

    Isaac is not a Child of the flesh

    " NOT OF ABRAHAM AND SARAH'S DOING THEY WERE BARREN."

    The Promise was given BEFORE Abraham believed.

    This promise was "INITIATED" and confirmed by a covenant back in

    Genesis 15:8-12. Not in Genesis 22.

    Abraham was put to sleep so God entered the covenant alone.

    Only he can break it!!

    It's not broken or held up by any condition of Abraham.

    "A conditional covenant needs both parties passing between the divided carcass."

    Now let's go over the steps in sequence.

    1 Abraham is given a Promise by God.

    Genesis 15:4-5.

    THEN.

    2 Abraham believed God. What did he believe in? God's PROMISE.

    Genesis 15:6.

    3rd God performs the covenant.

    Genesis 15:8-12.

    Note: The Land is tied to the promise, But that's for a different study.

    " Hebrews 11:8-10."

    THIS IS WHERE THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED TO ABRAHAM.

    " Galatians 3:5-10."

    1) We have God's PROMISE " His Word.

    2) We have Abraham believed the PROMISE "Faith "

    IMPORTANT TO NOTICE.

    ( Ephesians 2:8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:)

    3) In Genesis 22 We will see the Resurrection.

    GENESIS 22.16.

    Here in Genesis 22 what is it Abraham believed in? This is about 33 years after the "PROMISE OF ISAAC" in Genesis 15.

    Answer: Hebrews 11:17-19. By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

    Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

    ACCOUNTING THAT GOD WAS ABLE TO RAISE HIM UP, EVEN FROM THE DEAD; from whence also he received him in a figure.

    Abraham stumbled with these promises.

    Gen. 17:17-18.

    Thank God it's UNCONDITIONAL.

    GB
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Hans.

    A conditional covenant is an agreement between two or more parties that requires certain terms to be met. If the terms are met, there will be one kind of result (favorable). If the terms are not met, there will be a different result (unfavorable).

    The case we have here is Abraham had no participation in the oath being made therefore he was not bound to an oath.

    It was the Lord given the promise and it was "HE" who confirmed it with an oath.

    Hebrews 6:13-14.

    Hebrews 6:17.

    It didn't take obedience of the Law to form the Covenant.

    Galatians 3:17-18.

    However I didn't Leave out obedience.

    Here's why and how we obey.

    AND OPERATION OF THE HOLYSPIRIT IN THE NEW COVENANT.

    THE TRUE VINE!

    John 151:17.

    Ps. You are not expected to bare fruit until AFTER you are connected to the vine.

    Notice verse 4.

    John 15:4.

    The branch cannot bear fruit of itself!!

    Nor does it produce the fruit!!

    Again. ( YOU CANNOT PRODUCE THE FRUIT ) YOU BEAR IT.!!

    ( 2 Corinthians 3:5. )

    Hebrews 10:16

    Romans 6:6

    Romans 8:10-11.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - 3 years ago
    UNCONDITIONAL COVENANT TO ABRAHAM.

    This is what is getting covered up by spritualizing certain text.

    And How it relates to us.

    Hebrews 6:13-19 (KJV) For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

    Saying, SURELY BLESSING I WILL BLESS THEE, and MULTIPLYING I WILL MULTIPLY THEE.

    And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

    For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

    Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the IMMUTABILITY of his counsel, CONFIRMED IT BY AN OATH:

    That by TWO IMMUTABLE THINGS, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

    Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, BOTH SURE AND STEADFAST, AND WHICH ENTERED INTO THAT "WITHIN THE VEIL;"

    Galatians 4:28. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

    Here's the covenant and Promise between God and Abraham.

    TAKE NOTICE OF WHO IS THE LONE PARTICIPANT IN PERFORMING THE COVENANT.

    Here's Isaac being Promised.

    Genesis 15:4-5.

    Abraham's participation.

    Genesis 15:6.

    Here's the covenant performed.

    Genesis 15:8-11.

    NOTICE WHAT GOD DOES TO ABRAHAM.

    Genesis 15:12.

    This covenant being instituted by God only suggests its faithfulness depended on Gods PROMISE NOT ABRAHAM'S FAITHFULNESS!!

    Abraham faith was in God's PROMISE!!

    That's Mercy, Grace, and Faith apart from works. And Eternal Security all in view here.

    Galatians 4:28. !!

    Galatians 3:8-9.

    Galatians 3:13-15.

    THE PROMISE OF A SAVIOR GIVEN BEFORE THE INSTITUTION OF THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH!!

    Galatians 3:16-17.

    2 Corinthians 3.

    Galatians 3:18.

    THE TRUE VINE!

    AND OPERATION OF THE HOLYSPIRIT IN THE NEW COVENANT.

    Hebrews 10:16.

    Romans 6:6.

    Romans 8:10-11.

    ( 2 Corinthians 3:5. )

    This is what's being attacked by those crept in from unawares.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    If feminism means that women should be entitled to & hold equal rights & privileges in society as men, that cannot be contradicted or argued. Even "in Christ", there is "neither male or female" ( Galatians 3:28) as both are one in equal standing before God & receivers of His Goodness.

    But if feminism implies more than this, then it's the workings & lusts of one's heart & not according to God's Word. Such pursuits can never 'destroy Christianity' because it then has to stand against what is revealed in the Word & the Standards set by God. Feminism might seem to have some effect on Christianity, but if it does, one should ask, 'what brand of Christianity do we refer to?' Is it according to God's Word & God's pursuit of man or on man's word & his pursuit of God? If "the gates of hell cannot prevail" against the Church (or, the outworking of our faith of God in Christ), I sincerely doubt if feminism or any other 'ism' or evil threat, can overpower what God has established & will both now & ultimately be victorious.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Brother Dan.

    Thanks for your reply. Sorry for such a late reply.

    You mentioned John 3:5. Romans 6:1-6. Galatians 3:26-27. and Acts 2:38. The only verse of the 4 mentioned that has anything to do with water baptism is Acts 2:38. and you apply it wrong when you use it as proof of an requirement for salvation. Peter is talking to Jews who had the word of God who had a God given religion, who knew the prophesies concerning a messiah. But they trusted in the Law that couldn't regenerate a soul.

    "The law was their schoolmaster" Galatians 3:24. They are to turn around and come Gods way. John the Baptist was the forerunner for this message preaching the baptism of repentance "TO THE JEWS".

    The old covenant they offered up sacrifices that couldn't save but pointed to the Lamb of God.

    Here they're asked to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Water Baptism would be the evidence that "THEY" had repented, That they had come to Christ and put their trust in Him! Rather than bring a sacrifice to be offered.

    As the sacrifices was a "foreshadowing' of Christ, Water baptism "Demonstrates" the Death and resurrection, In that demonstration THERE'S NO QUIKENING INVOLVED HERE! Only when we believed, Christ died We died!

    That brings us to these other verses you mentioned. Galatians 3:26-28. and Romans 6:1-6. Have you noticed the phrase "BAPTIZED INTO" in Romans and Galatians? This speaks of the work of the Holyspirit to those who "TRULY" believed! they have been put into the body of believers.

    After this occurs We should be barring fruit and have great concern there, Because that is something you cant produce on your own! This happens only "IF" you have been truly put in Christ. IDENTIFIED with his Death and resurrection. "The Baptism of the Holyspirit". you inherit the promise of Abraham. Galatians 3:18-29.

    That is the context of the verses you have given.

    These verses describes the work of the cross and true profession.

    God bless.


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