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  • Linda - In Reply - 2 years ago
    You missed an important part of jesus' conversation. jesus asked peter 3x if peter loved him. each time peter said, yes, lord. but peter was grieved when jesus asked him 3x. apparently jesus thought peter's love was questionable.

    after each question jesus said, feed my sheep.

    so did peter truly love jesus?

    did peter feed jesus' sheep? as jesus commanded him to? galatians 2:11-14 the apostle paul says: but when peter was come to antioch, i (paul) withstood him (peter) to the face, because he (peter) was to be blamed. for before that certain came from james, he (peter) did eat with the gentiles: but when they (certain others from james) were come, he (peter) withdrew and separated himself, fearing them (fearing god's sheep) which were of the circumcision. and the other jews dissemble likewise with him (with peter): insomuch that (even) barnabas also was carried away with their dissimilation.

    but when i (paul) saw that they (peter and the others) walked not uprightly according to the gospel,

    i said unto peter (who was to be blamed) - - -

    peter walked not according to the gospel of jesus christ. peter did not feed jesus' sheep: he (peter) preferred to be with goats. peter feared jesus' sheep.

    obviously peter (did not) love jesus.

    apparently, jesus was right to be skeptical about peter's love for him.

    jesus "knew" what was in peter's heart: before he asked peter.if he (peter) loved him.
  • Kay - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Galatians 2:16 -

    Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    Galatians 3:

    But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith

    We cannot be saved BY the keeping of the law. Our obeying God's Word is the fruit of the indwelling of the Spirit BECAUSE we are saved. We must rest our whole foot of faith on Jesus, Who is the only One Who kept the entire law for our sake, that His righteousness might be imputed to us. Amen! Praise the Lord!

    Blessings!
  • Cindy R Wiggins Tapia - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Galatians 2:20 - I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    Demon spirits cannot enter you when Jesus Christ resides in your heart. If you are truly a born-again believer, what you are experiencing is demon influence. Resist them! James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Seek help from someone who is a dedicated Christian who can help you through this. Draw as close to God via prayer, reading the Word, and singing.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4 - 2 years ago
    Hi Darrel.

    I would like to share my thoughts.

    First I would like to establish this;

    In 2 Peter 1:14. Peter says "Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me."

    The tabernacle is the body which the spirit resides in. Peter still exists, The only thing seems to be going anywhere is Peters body.

    Now I would like to share a few verses.

    John 14:20.

    John 14:23.

    John 11:25-26.

    John 17:22-23. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    I IN THEM, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. "I IN THEM"

    Colossians 3:3-4. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

    When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. ( You are already in Christ. ) When you die Christ will be fully manifested to you and in you. No longer hidden.

    Galatians 2:20. Paul says he is crucified with Christ, nevertheless he lives. ( Christ dies no more, neither does Paul. ) This is why Paul says absent of the body, present with the Lord. There is no where for the spirit to go! It's not the spirit of the world that lives in a Christian, It's Christ spirit that lives in you.

    1 Corinthians 15:44-49.

    This sinful body we inherited from the 1st Adam returns to the Earth.

    The 2nd Adam is a life giving spirit, one that we was baptized into, and the same everlasting spirit that resides in you.

    The spirit will be made perfect and the body returns to Earth.

    God bless.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Romans 3 - 2 years ago
    I believe the differences comes from these scriptures : Matthew 5:16, Matthew 7:21-29, Revelation 2:23, Revelation 20:13, Matthew 25:31-46,

    Even Jesus did works: Matthew 11:2, Luke 19:37, & said greater works we shall do. John 14:20,

    Matthew 16:27,

    Matthew 23:3,5,23, hypocrisy not ok, you can read whole chapter & those chapters around it for context. John 8:39,

    Romans 3:27-28, helps clarify, 'law of faith' Romans 4, Romans 9:30-33,

    What is argued is: Romans 11:6, but in context it's the grace extended to Gentiles Romans 11:16-27, also read whole chapter Romans 11,

    & Galatians 2:16, "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'' the works of the law are in Gen. Exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus. Galatians 3,

    & Galatians 2:8,9, but we can't ignore Galatians 2:10,

    & 2Timothy 1:9 , Titus 3, Hebrews 4, Hebrews 4:11,

    However again we can't ignore 2Timothy 3:16-17, Titus 1:15,16, Titus 2, Hebrews 10:24, James 3:13, 1Peter 2:12, Revelation 2:26,

    * James 2,
  • David on Jeremiah 45 - 2 years ago
    We must be careful in how we regard our service to the Lord. As we learn to walk and trust in the Lord God through His word, remember that all good things originate from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Before we start to expect things are due us because of what we do, or what position we hold: God always knows best. Like the old time tv series "Father knows Best." I just dated myself - LOL

    Baruch felt he was due better things instead of being dragged around the country side with the remnant that remained in Jerusalem. After all he was the personal scribe to the prophet. He knew the prophecies given to be true and will come to pass. He just thought he should be treated better.

    We as believers of Christ the Lord are not entitled to anything. Galatians 2: 20; Colossians 3: 1-3 We have the privilege to seek the wisdom of the Lord God and worship at His feet. We know what the Lord is fully capable of doing and giving. 2 Cor 10: 5 By filtering our thoughts in the Word of God, I can rejoice in Him, be at peace, and have comfort even though we are going through this current Pandemic, Ukraine - Russian war, supply hick ups; soaring gas/oil prices. Philippians 4: 6-10

    No matter what happens we can be assured of our salvation in Christ Jesus if we believe and trust in the Gospel. Luke 10: 20; 1 John 5: 11-15. We have confidence in the Lord.

    The only solution before us is the salvation of the leaders of world. 1 Timothy 2: 1-4 "...that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty." We must continue to carry out God's will for us. Matthew 28: 18-20.

    May the peace of God shine on all on this forum. Know the Lord Jesus Christ, know Peace. No Lord Jesus Christ, no peace. Praying for all as we have the occasion to do so.

    Praise His Holy name. March 10, 2022
  • Apostolic Evangelist - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Im sorry but Moses was given the 10 commandments no where in the Bible of the New testament dose it say to continue in animal sacrifice. Christ Yeshua is our new covenant. Could I ask you what scripture do you refer to in Galatians. For in Galatians 2:18 St Paul destroyed the works of the Law, The transgressor here is one who tries to reinstitute the Jewish Law.

    We die through the law not bypassing or dishonoring it but by recongnizing that it is holy, that we deserve its consequence death and that we voluntarily die to the Law through our death with Christ being crucified with Christ through Baptism we come alive to the law of the Spirit which perfects the intention of the OT law. There is no contradiction between law and gospel. The law is holy and just and good ROM 7:12 However the Law is weak Rom 8:3 and obsolete Heb 8:13 for it is fulfilled in the gospel in Christ Himself....God bless you
  • Free - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear "Vicky" we pray, and in your case you need the Holy Spirit. Please join Galatians 2:11-21 and remember that the Word of God is sharper than a double-edged sword.

    God bless you finest girl, pray that you will be enabled to serve all over the earth in Jesus Christ Holy Name. Amen
  • Ron - In Reply on Galatians 2 - 2 years ago
    A little off topic, but I wonder if Paul knew that Moses was a murderer? Exodus 2:11-15

    In his retelling of Moses's killing of the Egyptian in Acts 7:23-29, Luke casts Moses in the image of Jesus, as a rejected deliverer. What's that called when govt does that same thing with their fallen heroes?

    The Israelites' rejection of Moses, which Luke reads into Exodus 2:11-15, is placed in parallel to the Jews' rejection of Jesus, which is understood as the crux of Christianity's break from Judaism.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Galatians 2 - 2 years ago
    Hello Roy,

    There was a long thread in the last week concerning this. You may search back a few pages and find the thread.

    Also, I suggest reading all of Galatians and all of Romans in order to understand Paul's teaching fully. To take just one portion or verse as a proof text does not serve this topic well.
  • William legon - In Reply on Galatians 2 - 2 years ago
    Paul is trying to get the people to understand the is full filled now we look to Jesus.
  • Roy on Galatians 2 - 2 years ago
    Sounds like Paul is preaching against following the law of Moses?

    Comment please
  • Cindy R Wiggins Tapia - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Jernej, we are not robots. God gave us free will to do His will or to do evil. You can choose between porn and God's commandments. It is hard, but all things are possible with God. Ask Him to forgive you and mean it by repenting, that is, never doing it again. Immerse yourself in Him by praying, reading His Word, singing, going to church, seeking fellowship with other Christians. When the devil gives you the urge to go back to porn, rebuke him and he will flee. James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    Here are other verses that will help you.

    --Corinthians 10:5 Take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. Philippians 4:8: Whatever is... true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent and praiseworthy.

    -- Romans 8:38,39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    -- Ps. 56:3 Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You.

    -- Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

    -- 1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

    -- Psalms 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

    -- Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    -- Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

    Let this be your aim:

    -- Galatians 2:20 - I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    May God bless you!
  • Charles Robert Northup - In Reply on Galatians 2 - 2 years ago
    Simple you misunderstand it's circumcised not baptized, 3But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
  • Chris - In Reply on Galatians 2 - 2 years ago
    Hi Wayne. Do you mean, "why was Titus not required to be circumcised"?

    If that's what you're enquiring about, then that was, in part, because Titus was a Gentile (a Greek) & not a Jew. Every Jewish male at eight days of age, was required to be circumcised ( Genesis 17:10-12 ff) as part of the Covenant God made with Israel, separating them as a special people from the surrounding heathen.

    When the Apostle Paul & Barnabas went up to Jerusalem to meet with the Jerusalem Council of Apostles & Elders (see Acts 15:2), he took Titus with them as well. But the Council agreed that Titus, a gentile, should not be circumcised; some were believing & requiring (chiefly by the Judaizers: Galatians 2:4), that gentiles must first be circumcised (i.e. become 'Jews') before they could be accepted as (Christian) believers. So with the agreement & blessing of the Council, the apostles & the early Church were unified that neither circumcision nor the workings of the Law ( Galatians 2:16; Galatians 3:2-13) should ever be imposed on gentiles, even as the Law no longer had strength on anyone (Jew or Gentile) when only God's Grace through faith brought salvation & liberty to those now in Christ. This was a major aspect of the early Church as they battled with not only Gentiles being brought into the body of believers, but that all the Laws that served to show the Jews their inability to keep them, were also now cast aside, because of "Christ is (now brought) the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth" ( Romans 10:4).
  • Wayne Mayo on Galatians 2 - 2 years ago
    in Galations2, why was Titus not required to be Baptised? What about being Greek exempted

    him?
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Hebrews 11 - 2 years ago
    But faith without works is dead : James 2,

    Not "works of the Law' : Galatians 2:16,

    1 Thessalonians 1:3,
  • Chris - In Reply on Galatians 1 - 2 years ago
    Hello Charles. Apostle Paul gave the reason for this letter in Galatians 1:6-10. The three main points are: 1. that another Gospel was being entertained by the Church; 2. that Paul's apostolic authority, as given him by the Lord, was being questioned; & 3. a re-hash of the Gospel of Christ, of Christian liberty & other matters given.

    1. The Judaizers (Jewish Christians that refused to accept the non-relevance of the Law to Israel as Truth), had entered into this Church (or, other such gatherings in Asia Minor), & began proclaiming, even pontificating their beliefs with flowery speech & convincing arguments. Galatians 1:6-10; 3:1; 4:17. Paul refutes this 'new' teaching of 'faith plus works' ( Galatians 3:2-5).

    2. Paul's apostleship defence. His authority acquired through revelation ( Galatians 1:11-24); it was approved by the Jerusalem Church ( Galatians 2:1-10); it was acknowledged in his rebuke to Peter ( Galatians 2:11-21).

    3. A re-hash of the Truth - an expansion of what they earlier heard from Paul. Was the Spirit received through faith or through the Law? (3:1-5). Of Abraham's faith (3:6-9). Justification only by Faith - the Law given, only to draw men to Christ (3:10 - 4:11). Paul's own testimony (4:12-20). Testimony from an OT allegory (4:21-31).

    This faith (apart from the Law), gives meaning to: full Liberty (5:1-12); genuine Love (5:13-15); enjoying the Fruit of the Spirit in spiritual walk (5:16-26). And then matters pertaining to sin in the Church (6:1-5) & giving for the Lord's Work (6:6-10).

    Paul ends with his closing words (6:11-18): a final warning to beware of any who demand circumcision or keeping the Law (which those teachers even fail to keep). They might do it with false motives, even to avoid persecution from the Jews (6:12) or to boast in being their teachers (6:13), but none of them carry the marks of persecution which Paul has, showing his stand for the Truth & love for the believers.

    I hope this brief explanation answers your question.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Wanita.

    The epistle was written during Paul's third missionary journey, at Corinth where he spent three months. He had just come from Ephesus where he had spent three strenuous years.

    Dr. Griffith Thomas makes an interesting observation: "Certain names point clearly to Corinth as the place whence this Epistle was written." The picture of the gross immorality of the Gentiles in Rome is a picture drawn from the Corinth of Paul's day.

    OCCASION: This letter was brought forth by natural reason. Paul wished to visit Rome on his way to Spain. The letter was taken by Phoebe, deaconess of Cenchrea ( Romans 16:1).

    FOUNDER OF THE CHURCH AT ROME: Paul had not visited Rome when he wrote this epistle. In this respect it is different from all others, with the possible exception of the Epistle to the Colossians. No apostle had preceded Paul to Rome; obviously, Simon Peter had not. The Roman church was largely a gentile church, and Peter was not the apostle to the Gentiles ( Galatians 2:7). Paul's method was not to follow another apostle, and it is not likely he would have gone to Rome had another apostle preceded him.

    Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation. ( Romans 15:20)

    In a very definite sense, Paul was the founder of the church at Rome. This great metropolis drew men to its streets and marketplaces from all over the empire as if it were a magnet. Many whom Paul had led to Christ in other places made their way to Rome and witnessed there. The church in Rome was the assembly of these folk. This is not mere speculation, as Priscilla and Aquila are examples.

    Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my helpers in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 16:3)

    Paul had first met them in Corinth and led them to Christ ( Acts 18:1-3). Later they returned to Rome.

    Paul mentions 35 individuals by name in chapter 16. Of these, 27 were living in Rome at this time. These he must have met elsewhere in the.

    God bless.
  • Dgjot - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 3 years ago
    Galatians 2:11 (Paul speaking)

    But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

    Galatians 2:14 (Paul speaking)

    But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

    God chose Peter to preach the gospel to the Jews. God chose Paul to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.

    Peter had an advantage Paul did not, in that he walked with Jesus every day, heard His words and witnessed His miracles. And yet he still didn't understand that Jesus is God in the flesh and denied Jesus 3x and even went so far to preach to the unsaved that circumcision (old testament law) is a must to be saved. Paul called him out.

    Saul, an accomplice to the murder of the believers of Christ, was knocked off his horse on the Damascus Road when Jesus appeared to him and spoke to him. When Jesus told him what he must do, did he argue? Nope. He simply did what he was told to do, without whining. Paul was a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin and also a Roman citizen so he knew both the Torah and Roman law and spoke several languages.

    Peter was a simple fisherman and faithless- even after all he saw and heard from Jesus. Is this really the kind of guy you want to listen to? Catholics claim that Peter was the first Pope. What nonsense.

    Of course both were forgiven. Al repentant sinners are forgiven. But if I have to choose between the writings of Peter or Paul, I'll go with Paul. Paul wrote most of what became the New Testament.

    I know we're not supposed to pass judgement on anyone. Even Angels know better than to bring a railing accusation against even the wicked. Just be careful of who or what you listen to.
  • Rick - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Gigi What I see and we really need to keep in mind Peter His heart was always in the right pace even before being

    born again. This guy wanted to take Jesus place at the cross, this guy had the guts to at least try to walk on water,

    this guy is the one who boldly stood up in the temple and gave the first if you will sermon to over 3000 people, so it

    I don't see willful sin I see someone still caught up in the old testament law which is not willful sin just a lack of

    understanding the grace but that just like us always learning.

    Look at Acts 10 When the angel said to cornelius send men to Joppa and find Simon Peter now verse 9 Peter

    Goes to the housetop to pray verse 10 was a vision[it was God showing Him something specific for his head to get] and peter was not

    so to speak out of it he was focused verse 11-16 He sees this three times and still doesn't get it. At that exact moment

    the messenger from cornelius is at the gate and the spirit says go with him!

    Look at Gods timing verses 20-27 explain the trip verse 28 God hath shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Look what it took to convince Peter that what he was about to do was Gods Will.

    When Paul went to Believers at Jerusalem Peter was acting one way around the gentiles when the judeans

    were not around and another way when they were around and that caused some serious division you had Jews siding with one person and then gentiles with another. Then in Galatians 2:14-21 he explains and corrects the error. So I don't see

    willful sin I see respect of persons not intentional and paul explaining look were not supposed to be divided. Peter never

    made an error of heart but of head. That's what I see. God Bless
  • Rick - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Gigi Peter did not willfully sin his thinking was still partially tied into the law by works not seeing the Justification by

    grace of God by believing in what Christ paid for which abolished the works of the law. Galatians 2:14-20 had to be a hot debate because barnabas was caught up in the debate. as a matter of fact Peter was wrong in His head but not in His heart, so he was acting and accusing others according to the law of not walking but He was doing the same thing but

    didn't see it. So that being said yes Peter was absolutely saved. We do the same thing to our when we start thinking if I

    don't dress a certain way or eat certain things or cut my hair a certain way then I'm not walking with God. Gods word says do your best to follow Gods word First and great commandment Love God with all your heart soul mind and strength

    then whatever you believe to do God Bless. I.E. walk in Agapeo This is my understanding God Bless
  • Gigi - In Reply on Galatians 2 - 3 years ago
    Or just Christian for some.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Galatians 2 - 3 years ago
    Micheline,

    I would guess that all Jews believe in Jesus, but not all agree on who He claimed to be. For those who do agree with His claims and have received Him as their Messiah, those would be called Messianic Jews.
  • Micheline Briggs on Galatians 2 - 3 years ago
    What is the name they call if a jew believes in jesus christ
  • Diane Taylor - In Reply on Job 3 - 3 years ago
    Hello GiGi, What I meant was that there is only one gospel that can save mankind today, and that is the gospel of grace ( Acts 20:24 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4 That Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. Appropriated by faith alone apart from the Mosaic law ( Romans 3:20,21) The gospel of grace and doctrines for the body of Christ, the Church, was a secret ( Romans 16:25, Ephesians 3: 1-11) hidden in the mind of God until revealed to the apostle Paul. In other words, between the time God called Abraham and the calling of the apostle Paul, there was no message of salvation to the Gentile world ( Ephesians 2:11,12). The gospel of grace is most clearly defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 " Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures: And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Paul's Gospel: The apostle Paul Holy Spirit inspired of course, repeatedly referred to the gospel of grace as "my gospel"( Romans 2:16, 16:25 Galatians 2:2,7: 2 Timothy 2:8) Paul could say this because the gospel of grace was in fact revealed to Paul alone and he was chosen by the ascended and risen Lord Himself to be the apostle of the Gentiles( Acts 9:15, Romans 11:13) These new revelations came approximately10 years after Pentecost ( Galatians 1:1,11-12;17) All mankind during the age of grace will be judged according to Paul's gospel. " In the day that God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel" Romans 2:16 Paul warned mankind twice in Galatians, anyone that preached any other gospel then what was revealed to him by the ascended Lord Himself will be cursed " Please read Galatians 1: 8-9 KJV
  • Tony Russo - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi, Chris and Rick. I am only going to place English for each text I previously sent in the Greek. Romans 3:22, "Da pisteoos Ieesou Christou," "By THE faith of Jesus Christ," OR, "the faith that comes through Him."

    In Acts 3:16, The faith which is from (Or BY HIM)." "to onoma autou kai hee pistis hee di autou. If this verse were to read "Faith IN Jesus" rather than "Faith BY Him," the only way to translate this is, "OUR faith in Jesus Christ," healed the man!



    Galatians 2:20 reads in the Greek, "Ho de nun zoo en sarki en pistei zoo tee tou Huiou tou Theou." Translators have often used their own theology which can drastically change the true intent of the inspired writers of Scriptur. For instance, look up the Greek for "torment" in Rev 20:10. The English robs God of His mercy and goodness in this last act with the lost. What word do you find in the Greek? Have you traced it? Let me know what you find. You will be amazed at the wealth of meaning the translators took from us!

    I have experienced a profound faith from Christ. Only He could say, at the tomb of Lazarus, John 11:42, of the Father, "I know You always hear Me." My faith has grown to know our Father always hears me if He hears it from the Son!

    He is called our Advocate in 1 John 2:1. He defends us before the Father as High Priest, who offers His own life and merits on the sinner's behalf. Heaven has given us the gift of faith, Ephesians 2:8-9, to know, believe and trust ourselves to the High Priest. This is the only way to the Father that pleases Him. We dare not come to Him in our faith. Otherwise, we are entering the Most Holy Place in our own name and dishonor His Holiness. Death waited for anyone who came into the Holy Place except for the High Priest. It is the devils lie telling us we can become as gods!

    Leviticus 16 has also given me further insight into what was required by the nation of Israel as they worshipped God on the Day of Atonement. On who did they place their faith?
  • Tony Russo - In Reply on Romans 3:4 - 3 years ago
    Hello Chris, You are correct about Romans 3:4, I gave a wrong text! Thank you for your comments. Some may read our thinking as a difference in semantics. Time for the Greek. Romans 3:22 reads in the KJV, "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe." By faith of Jesus Christ in the Greek reads, , "By THE faith of Jesus Christ," or the faith that comes through Him. In Acts 3:16, "The faith which is From Him" is, " " If instead the phrase reads "faith IN Jesus Christ'" it could only mean OUR faith in Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:20 reads in the Greek, , . Translators have often used their own theology which can drastically change the true intent of the inspired writes of Scripture. For instance, look up the Greek for "torment" in Rev 20:10. Tell me the actual word.

    I have experienced a profound faith in Christ. Only He could say, at the tomb of Lazarus, John 11:42, of the Father, "I know You always hear Me." My faith has grown to know our Father always hears me if He hears it from the Son! He is called our Advocate in 1 John 2:1. He defends us before the Father as High Priest, who offers His own life and merits on the sinner's behalf. Heaven has given us the gift of faith, Ephesians 2:8-9, to know, believe and trust ourselves to the High Priest. This is the only way to the Father that pleases Him. We dare not come to Him in our faith. Otherwise, we are entering the Most Holy Place in our own name and dishonor His Holiness.

    Chris, my understanding has given me a freedom of absolute surrender to Christ I never experienced. It certainly does not distract my belief in the gospel. I no longer look at my faith to speak to the Father. I now speak to Him through the faith of Jesus. I never have to say again, "I wish I had stronger faith." I do have it! It is my faith in His faith for me!
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 3:4 - 3 years ago
    Hello Tony. I think of Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God". We see here that the "Gift of God" is the whole: Grace & Faith. Both are needed from Him to receive His Salvation: the Gift of Grace & the Gift of Faith.

    However, I couldn't place which verse(s) you were referring to. Both Romans 3:4 & Galatians 2:20, do not reveal what you suggest. Unless you were thinking of Galatians 3:26; Colossians 1:4; Colossians 2:5; & there may be more. I doubt if the apostle intended to infer that this was a faith generated by one towards attaining Christ, rather that the Gift being given & now existing in the believer, from which comes his varied expressions of that faith.
  • Tony Russo on Romans 3:4 - 3 years ago
    The text about faith in Christ is not true to the Greek which is plain to read in the original language. reads, "By the faith of Christ. Nestle, 1904, Westcott and Hort 1881, Scrivener's 1894, Tischendorf, 8th Edition 1872, and many others are clear in translating this verse the same. It is inaccurate and misleading to use a translation that promotes the faith of a believer in place of the faith of Christ. This error is also found in the translation of Galatians 2:20 "And the life I now live by faith in Jesu Christ." This last phrase, by faith in Christ can only mean one thing, it means, I am living my life in Christ by my faith. By THE faith OF Jesu Christ, I now live the life of total surrender by the faith of Christ. Therefore, I do not march and grow toward victory, I now live in Christ in victory. I approach our Father through the faith of Christ. He is our Advocate and Mediator before the Father. Of Him alone did God say, "With Him, I am well pleased." We please the Father when we come to Him in the faith of Christ. Example, A father puts money in a bank for his son. The money is under the son's name. He does not have the money himself but he has access to it from anywhere in the world. In a similar way, the faith we need to save us is not within us. It is found at the right hand of God and we draw on it "in Jesus name." Acts 3:16: "And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all."

    This faith Of Christ takes us to complete dependence on Him through His faith. He offers the secret of Christian victory over the flesh, the world and the devil, His own faith, for us.


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