I had the feeling early on we had more we agree on than what we disagree on.
It's difficult to nail down replacement theology these days because they seem to keep evolving. Some say Israel rejected their Messiah so they blew it. One would say well what about the promises to restore Israel during and after the tribulation on into the Millennium. While noting many verses like Ezekiel 36:32-33.
In order to harmonize their theology they spiritualize everything they can't explain.
Some has went off the charts saying there is no hell, there is no Millennium, Everyone is going to be refined by fire and go to paradise.
You and I are going to be impregnated and have a little baby Jesus.
I use these absurd examples of what is literally recently being said to warn of the danger of using poor hermeneutics. It renders Gods promises and the work on the cross as worthless. The sacrifice of Christ was meaningless if there's nothing to be saved from. This deception is demonic!
Here's a precise article:
Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. The prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are spiritualized or allegorized into promises of God's blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2,000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1,900 years?
First, we must establish the readers to know who is the church. Church is not a building. Church is the people that believes in the blood shed by Jesus Christ to save us. Church is the Body of Christ. Church is the people that walk in the Spirit of God and the people who are in the Kingdom of God. Are you one of us?
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Colossians 1:18 KJV
"Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:" Colossians 1:24 KJV
"Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house." Colossians 4:15 KJV
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18 KJV
"As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Romans 9:33 KJV
"And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." 1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV
"And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:" Galatians 1:22 KJV
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." Ephesians 5:23 KJV
"That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Ephesians 5:27 KJV
"For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:" Ephesians 5:29 KJV
"For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones." Ephesians 5:30 KJV
"This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." Ephesians 5:32 KJV
There are some that supposedly have a deeper understanding of the word of God that has crept in the church.
Strategically they converse with you, " Not to convert you but to use the platform you provide them to confuse the simple.
They stand in the way of salvation for those who seek Christ through his word.
ENCOURAGEMENT.
However God is aware of Satan's tares in the congregation, And he that the Lord calls WILL come to him!!
Jude 1:4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:8-9. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
2 John 1:10-11. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Encouragement!!
The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church.
Hello Curious-L. Brother Daniel has correctly shared with you what was going on amongst the Churches in Galatia (in North & South Galatia): that Judaizers had infiltrated the Churches ( Galatians 1:6-9). And these Judaizers, as he has explained, were corrupting the true Gospel of Jesus by demanding observance of the old Laws & its practises.
Then from Galatians 1:11 to 2:21, Paul writes on aspects of his authority to share what he did over & above what these false teachers were claiming: Paul's authority given by Revelation, by the Jerusalem Church's approval, & by his rebuking of Peter.
And from chapter 3, I think is where your confusion arises. From here on, Paul teaches what the Galatians should be embracing, i.e. Justification by Faith alone & nothing else. In the Church, there would have been both converted Jews & Gentiles worshipping together. Since both were being taught by these Judaizers about adherence to the Law as well as Faith, to the Jewish convert these words in chapters 3 & 4, would have much meaning & they would be in need of more correcting.
So how does this apply to you & me? Paul is not stating that the Gentiles (including you & me) were ever under the Law, as the new Jewish believers once were, but was emphasizing that since those who were under the Law (i.e. these new Jewish believers) and those Gentiles who were being taught to also embrace the Law, are affected by the false teachers, all should be warned that they don't syncretize the two (i.e. uniting or mixing together Law & free Grace through Faith) - they cannot be mixed together - they're like oil & water. So, Curious-L, you & I were never under the Law, but we're to be careful not to adhere to the Law as well to gain salvation, to which Faith speaks against. The Law was given only to show the Jew their sin & incapability to keep it perfectly & be righteous before God - it was given to ultimately "bring them to Christ, that we (all - Jew & Gentile) might be justified by Faith."
Hello Charles, It is true that the Christians in the early church lived differently than we do today in some respects, but there were some respects that we are today similar. We do know that in the early church, the believers gathered together for worship (we do that now).They prayed for each other (we do that now).They gave funds to help those in need (we do that now).They taught one another the doctrines of the faith (some churches do that now as a matter of course).They held everything in common (we do not do this today).They desired unity and oneness of belief (we desire that today).They were unable to keep the unity of faith and fellowship, as there were many false teachings creeping into the churches and many schisms within fellowships (we have this today).They had apostles establishing the churches, re-visiting them, and writing letters to them (we do not have that today).They were persecuted and martyred (there is some of this happening today in parts of the world).They had pastors, elders, and deacons (we have that today).The OT Scriptures and letters from the apostles were read during worship times (we do this today). The Holy Spirit manifested in believers in various ways (we have that today).
There is a lot that we do not know of what the early church did or was like. And the church was in constant change as the decades passed and centuries rolled by. Jesus said that He would build His church, and He has over the last 2000 years. Jesus always fulfills His word and what He purposes to do. As believers, we should believe that our Lord is still building His church today and has been over the centuries. To not believe this is to deny that Jesus keeps His word.
But we know He is faithful and His words are true. We know that as God the Son, He has the power to preserve the church against the gates of hell. Yeah!
We in our time do not need to be just like the church in the 1st century anymore than the 1st century church needed to function like the Israelites.
Let me also add this, Paul said we were delivered form this present-day world, back then they didn't live like Christians do today they obeyed the church, and they were a BODY all of one mind (thought) and had all things in common (shared everything with each other equally) there were no have and have nots so this may have been what other were teaching. You have to remember it was Illegal to be a Christian then It'd be like us preaching and setting up churches in North Korea today. Here we are free and yet mostly silent..................
I don't believe it was the Galatians Christians, but Paul wrote that they who went out from among us are not of us and at that time false teachers had already begun teaching circumcision and stick obedience to the law among other things so it was false teachings why Paul wrote to them, and you see Paul say here: 6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Paul reiterates the gospel to them: 4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Most don't recognize as Paul was traveling on his mission and preaching and establishing new churches satan was right on his heels sowing discord and lies, I believe this was the thorn in the flesh Paul prayed about 3 times and God answered him. my grace is sufficient, that's just my opinion tho.
Paul wrote the letter to the Galatians to counter the message of missionaries who visited Galatia after he left. These missionaries taught that Gentiles must follow parts of the Jewish Law in order to be saved [NOT THE BIBLE]. In particular, these missionaries taught that Christian men had to accept the Jewish rite of circumcision.
The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Galatians was written to Jewish Christians who were straying from the Lord by relying once again on the works of the law of Moses.
The central theme of Galatians is 'Freedom in Christ' which is understood as the birthright of every believer. Through faith in Christ, he has been delivered from the bondage and condemnation of the law and from the power of sin.
Galatia (/le/; Ancient Greek: was an ancient area in the highlands of central Anatolia, roughly corresponding to the provinces of Ankara and Eskiehir, in modern Turkey.
Hello Charles. Apostle Paul gave the reason for this letter in Galatians 1:6-10. The three main points are: 1. that another Gospel was being entertained by the Church; 2. that Paul's apostolic authority, as given him by the Lord, was being questioned; & 3. a re-hash of the Gospel of Christ, of Christian liberty & other matters given.
1. The Judaizers (Jewish Christians that refused to accept the non-relevance of the Law to Israel as Truth), had entered into this Church (or, other such gatherings in Asia Minor), & began proclaiming, even pontificating their beliefs with flowery speech & convincing arguments. Galatians 1:6-10; 3:1; 4:17. Paul refutes this 'new' teaching of 'faith plus works' ( Galatians 3:2-5).
2. Paul's apostleship defence. His authority acquired through revelation ( Galatians 1:11-24); it was approved by the Jerusalem Church ( Galatians 2:1-10); it was acknowledged in his rebuke to Peter ( Galatians 2:11-21).
3. A re-hash of the Truth - an expansion of what they earlier heard from Paul. Was the Spirit received through faith or through the Law? (3:1-5). Of Abraham's faith (3:6-9). Justification only by Faith - the Law given, only to draw men to Christ (3:10 - 4:11). Paul's own testimony (4:12-20). Testimony from an OT allegory (4:21-31).
This faith (apart from the Law), gives meaning to: full Liberty (5:1-12); genuine Love (5:13-15); enjoying the Fruit of the Spirit in spiritual walk (5:16-26). And then matters pertaining to sin in the Church (6:1-5) & giving for the Lord's Work (6:6-10).
Paul ends with his closing words (6:11-18): a final warning to beware of any who demand circumcision or keeping the Law (which those teachers even fail to keep). They might do it with false motives, even to avoid persecution from the Jews (6:12) or to boast in being their teachers (6:13), but none of them carry the marks of persecution which Paul has, showing his stand for the Truth & love for the believers.
I hope this brief explanation answers your question.
Rules and Traditions of man vs The Bible - In Reply on Matthew 15 - 2 years ago
Wesley's Notes for Matthew 15:2
15:2 The elders - The chief doctors or, teachers among the Jews.
People's Bible Notes for Matthew 15:2
Why do thy disciples transgress? Not the law of Moses, but the TRADITION of the elders, which had as much authority with the Pharisees as the written law.
The tradition of the elders. Purported to be precepts never written in the Scriptures, but handed down from the times of Moses and the elders by oral means. These precepts were spoken of the "law upon the lip", and have been embodied in the Talmud. They were additions to the written word. See Galatians 1:14. For they wash not their hands. The orthodox Jews insisted on washing the hands before eating, not to remove the filth, but less they might have touched something ceremonially unclean. This commandment was purely traditional, but so rigidly did they insist upon observing it that the Rabbi Akiba, imprisoned by the Romans and with scarcely water to sustain life, preferred to use all provided for his ceremonial ablutions, and to die of thirst.
I myself have had many beautiful discussions with Mormons & Jehovah Witnesses. I'm sorry if I mix up the teachings. 1st I want to say many of both, are very kind, I liked just about everyone I encountered. With few exceptions. However, many scriptural discussions seemed to point to teaching that was not in-line with JKV HOLY Bible.
1st important 1= Galatians 1:3-10, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, teach don't believe another gospel even if an Angel brings, Mormons have a "new" teaching brought from "An Angel".
2nd Book of Mormon, addition to Bible? Psalms 89:34, Rev. 22:18, Deuteronomy 12:32,
3rd Mormons teach that Women can't be prophets untrue : Judges 4:4, Luke 2:36, Joel 2:28.
4th & maybe most important Mormons don't believe CHRIST Jesus is who HE says HE is. : Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, John 19, John 1,
Why do you ask?
Baptist are supposed to believe in Scripture.
I myself like to stick to the WORD of GOD. Those two are not your only choices. The choices really come down to the WORD itself here's some : John 3:15-16, Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:26-27, John 14:16,
The entire book of Galatians has 285 doctrines that I have found, but many of them are spoken of more than just once leaving us with 60 different categories of doctrine in this book
God 24 - Father 4 - Lord 6 - Jesus 16 - Christ 37 - Spirit 17 - resurrection 1 - churches 3 - grace 7 - peace 1 - sins 3 - deliver 1 - evil world 1 - gospel 7 called 2 - angel 2 - 3RD heaven 1 - another gospel 3 - servant 3 - revelation 2 -
Jews religion 2 Son 3 - Faith 22 - Gentiles 7 - circumcised 11 - bondage 1 - Jews 6 - sinners 2 - not justified 2 - works of law = O.T. 7 - justified 6 - law = old covenant 6 - law = new covenant 1 - crucified 2 - righteousness 3 - believed 2 - children of Abraham 1 - Abraham's seed 4 - law = O.T. 15 - redeemed 2 - inheritance 2 - ordained by angels 1 - children of God 1 - baptized 1 - heirs 3 - adoption 1 - sons of God 3 - Spirit of his Son 1 - hearts 1 - hope 1 - uncircumcision 2 - leaven 2 - cross 1 - crucified 1 law of Christ - new cov. 1
Kingdom of God 1 - live everlasting 1 - world 2 - new creature 1 -
Israel of God - 1
This book also contains 22 commandments, 8 of them teach us how to Love God and 14 of them how to love our neighbor
Gigi I don't understand the question since in the Gospel of Mathew the Greatest Law is answered,
Thou Shalt Love the lord thy God with all thy Heart with all thy soul and with all thy mind, and the second
is to love thy neighbor as thyself. These were being done already by Abraham before the Law Isaac before the
law and Noah before the law and in Gods eyes they were righteous before the written law. The law of Moses
was given to the adopted children of Israel so they would not do what the unbelieving or pagan nations were
doing that they were surrounded by. God new what they were doing and was trying to keep his adopted children
out of the soup. I never said Not To Do the Ten Commandments. When were born again of Gods Spirit and
in obedience to Gods word we are to walk in a Higher spiritual plain the law of agapeo Gods love Which Jesus Christ
displayed above and beyond the ten commandments. Don't forget there were over 400 laws given, thats why Jesus
Christ spiritually summed them up in Mathew. If a christian endeavors to walk by the spirit which no one does 24/7
he's walking the law of Love. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and the Day of pentecost started an entire different time
period in the way God deals with man in the Age of Grace. The Apostle Paul writes about it all over the place and
these instructions were given to Him by Jesus Christ directly so how can what he was Given Be Wrong. This is not
an argument by any stretch its understanding the difference between the law period and the Age of Grace which
many don't understand I being one for awhile. I'm not going to deny what I know the scriptures are saying.
The Apostle Paul in Galatians 1:11-12 he's telling the Galatians that he got born again but they were tricked into not believing anymore that what he taught them was Directly From Jesus Christ that settles it I didn't write the book
Brother Jesse. I have heard of this too: that Paul was a married man before his conversion & call. Not from historical records, but appealing to the nature of the position of the Pharisee. Paul spoke of himself as once being "a Hebrew of the Hebrews" ( Philippians 3:5) & 'extremely zealous of his ancestral traditions' ( Galatians 1:14; Acts 22:3). Marriage was the norm for Pharisees & it was also required to hold a rabbinical position. The thought is: "Paul could hardly have set himself forth as an exemplar of Pharisaical piety had he not been married."
So, indeed, Paul did "count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ" ( Philippians 3:8). Obviously, he was referring to the wealth of knowledge & interpretation of the Scriptures that had to be cast aside so that Christ might be fully apprehended, but I wonder whether he included, in his 'new' single state, that this had to be his lot for the furtherance of this newly acquired powerful Gospel that he had received & which filled him?
It's funny how We share views of Scripture It's not the dialog that often breaks the peace It's what's sown within that reflects outwardly.
You don't have to give your view, just post the scripture and there's contention!
We shouldn't be surprised
The concept is all through scripture.
John 1:4-5.
No one is going out to seek contention, It's already there.
( Example)
Matthew 10:32-38.
God don't compromise his Holiness to exercise judgment and I don't think he asks us to when dividing the word.
We have to wonder If we're not going to win them over and they know they're not going to win us over, Why are they so adamant on keeping this dialog going? Perhaps they're after the audience. And this is where I believe 2 John 1:10-11 applies.
And if we've been battling this for I know over a year!! Perhaps this verse apply.
Matthew 7:6.
My question was when do it apply and if we're so fundamental about everything else why not this?
In the secular we call the democrats "liberals" But aren't we also as a whole.
And this especially goes for those who say salvation is by works and not by grace when Paul makes that clear all through Galatians starting here-
Galatians 1:6-8.
Paul says let them be a curse
But we call them Brother.
He also emphasize it in
Philippians 3:2-11. And this is the only "religion" given to Man and it slew us.
Now this is a peaceful dialog that you and I are having but some would say it's contentious.
And by the way I have been guilty of this as well, that's why I carefully say WE.
Yes this is difficult but did the Lord say it wouldn't be?
St Paul I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the Power of God for Salvation
R C Sproul (Sermon: The Transforming Power of the Gospel)
I'm sure there are many reasons that motivate us to change the gospel because we perceive the gospel to be not good news, but bad news, or at least if it's not good news, it's not the best news, and we can improve it and make it better than the gospel that it is.
May be that's what motivates us.
May be it's because the gospel reduces is to shame, and we can't stand that shame, and so we want to change it.
Or we see it as a stumbling block, and people are hostile to it, and so we figure that a little spoonful of sugar might make the medicine go down and so we soften it. We delude it in our attempt to improve upon it.
Hi Beatrice When I consider what Gods word says about this man it is beyond remarkable , he knew the judean law inside out he was a pharisee of pharisee figure of speech the top in His class taught under Gamaliel this guy before born again green beret special forces working for the enemy out of ignorance but absolutely committed to God and His Word under the law. Imagine His mind hearing we no longer have to live by the law his mind was who the Hell do you think you are disobeying my God.
When Jesus Christ appeared to Him God knew there was no other way to convince this man also Jesus Christ never beat Him up instead Hey bub why are you doing this. The shock must have been beyond belief and the quilt I can't imagine, no wander he went into the desert after being born again to talk to God and say whats going on. like our change His also was not over night.
In Galatians 1:15-19 after 3 years he shows up to talk to the leaders in Jerusalem that had to blow there minds the change, then this guy starts witnessing to gentiles and fellowships with converted jews, how many do you think he fellowshipped with that he may have murdered family members. Talk about a spiritual leader, this guy was given all the needed information from Romans to Thessalonians on the operation of The Body of Christ in this the Age of Grace and how to walk in that as individuals. There will never be another Paul what an example to follow, what George Patton was in the Army, this man was for Gods Plan fearless and unstoppable. I've only scratched surface. God Bless
Bro Dan Galatians 1:2 To the brethren in churches of Galatia, Philippians 1:1 To the saints in christ jesus, James To the twelve tribes scattered abroad My Brethren. That's what I read.
The Millennium will be the time when there will be the full manifestation of the glory, the power and the will of God over this earth. And all agree that this is not in evidence today. You'll not have hospitals, you'll not have graveyards, you'll not have the suffering nor broken hearts and lives when Christ is reigning on this earth. And it's an insult to my Lord to say that the Kingdom of Heaven is being built today and is in existence on this earth. When He is reigning you won't have the tragedy that presently exists throughout the world.
Millennium takes its label, is detailed in numerous passages including Revelation 20, Isaiah 65, and Ezekiel 40-48, among others. Ezekiel's detailed tour of the Millennial Temple virtually defies any skeptic's attempt to treat it allegorically.
1 John 2:27. Is not a verse we use to defy scripture. Any revelation from the Holyspirit should line up with Gods written word, and what Jesus taught.
John 14:26. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
One can symbolize all the scripture and twist it to say what ever. This is Dangerously flawed!!
Jesus said MY sheep hear my voice, to follow another voice and turn from the call of the great shepherd then you're not his sheep.
Paul says Galatians 1:6-8. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
2 John 1:9-10.
Keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.
Hello GiGi, What I meant was that there is only one gospel that can save mankind today, and that is the gospel of grace ( Acts 20:241 Corinthians 15: 1-4 That Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. Appropriated by faith alone apart from the Mosaic law ( Romans 3:20,21) The gospel of grace and doctrines for the body of Christ, the Church, was a secret ( Romans 16:25, Ephesians 3: 1-11) hidden in the mind of God until revealed to the apostle Paul. In other words, between the time God called Abraham and the calling of the apostle Paul, there was no message of salvation to the Gentile world ( Ephesians 2:11,12). The gospel of grace is most clearly defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 " Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures: And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Paul's Gospel: The apostle Paul Holy Spirit inspired of course, repeatedly referred to the gospel of grace as "my gospel"( Romans 2:16, 16:25 Galatians 2:2,7: 2 Timothy 2:8) Paul could say this because the gospel of grace was in fact revealed to Paul alone and he was chosen by the ascended and risen Lord Himself to be the apostle of the Gentiles( Acts 9:15, Romans 11:13) These new revelations came approximately10 years after Pentecost ( Galatians 1:1,11-12;17) All mankind during the age of grace will be judged according to Paul's gospel. " In the day that God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel" Romans 2:16 Paul warned mankind twice in Galatians, anyone that preached any other gospel then what was revealed to him by the ascended Lord Himself will be cursed " Please read Galatians 1: 8-9 KJV
Hi Gigi What she is talking about the mystery of the one body of Jews in Gentiles in christ the knowledge of it was given to Paul in this the age of grace. Now the operation of it started on Pentecost, this as Paul wrote was hid in God, the prophets did not know it the original 12 apostles operated it but Paul was given the information by Jesus Christ after he ascended to heaven. Galatians 1:11+12, Ephesians 3:1-4, 1 Peter 1:10-12, the spiritual abilities we have are so great in 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 if the adversary who is the great prince of this world would have known what we who believe were given he would not have crucified our lord. That is what Angela is talking about, Romans through thessalonians is written to the church of God, not saying the gospels are not important its all Gods Word.
I don't believe there's any special formula for salvation other than surrendering to Christ and receiving His Spirit. It was at the point that He placed His Spirit inside me that my salvation took place. Personally, I don't like to use the word accept because the bible never says to accept Him but to receive Him. For me, to accept just means that I mentally agree with what He did for me. I have to receive Him.
I agree that growth takes time. It's a lifelong process. A person has to remain in God's word and be in submission to Him for there to be any growth. Saying we are a follower of Christ is one thing. Actually following Him and being in total submission to Him is another. As for Paul, I believe he was already set apart for salvation before he was born. I get that from Galatians 1:15.
Paul was around 30-32 years old when he had the experience on the Damascus road. God already set him apart for salvation from his mother's womb, but it wasn't until Paul was on the road to Damascus that God actually saved him. So it wasn't immediate for Paul even though God had already planned in due time to save him.
Paul didn't ask to be saved. He was on his was to have more Christians put to death. He says but when it pleased God, meaning the exact moment that God had planned. And Paul says he was separated from his mother's womb. So God already had a plan for Paul while he was still in the womb. For 30-32 years, he was carrying on in his sinful acts until one day God says "times up," and Jesus intervened.
I find it to be true with most, if not everyone that gets saved, is that we're on our own journey and He intervenes and cuts us off, stops us dead in our tracks, and points us in His direction.
Brother, thank you so much for reading my post. I truly respect your thoughts and the things you have to share. Sometimes we word things differently but often say the same thing. Thank you also for asking for clarification on what I said. God Bless!
I've been away for a while so I'm not sure if you're responding to someone or you are asking this question for yourself? Either way, what leads me to believe that James is the half-brother of Jesus is that after Jesus was born, Mary and Joseph had other children. We know that Jesus had four half-brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas (Jude), and at least two half-sisters.
Paul says in Galatians 1:19, "But other of the apostles I didn't see, except for James the Lord's brother." This would be the Lord's half-brother, also the author of the book of James. What would make James the Lord's half-brother is that they shared the same mother, but different fathers.
Numbers 8:14, 1Kings 8:53, Jeremiah 1:5, Matthew 25:32-41, Luke 6:22, Acts 13:2, 2Corinthians 6:17, Hebrews 7:26, Matthew 22:1-14, 1Peter 2:9,
Romans 9:21-24,
Hopefully these are helpful
I had the feeling early on we had more we agree on than what we disagree on.
It's difficult to nail down replacement theology these days because they seem to keep evolving. Some say Israel rejected their Messiah so they blew it. One would say well what about the promises to restore Israel during and after the tribulation on into the Millennium. While noting many verses like Ezekiel 36:32-33.
In order to harmonize their theology they spiritualize everything they can't explain.
Some has went off the charts saying there is no hell, there is no Millennium, Everyone is going to be refined by fire and go to paradise.
You and I are going to be impregnated and have a little baby Jesus.
I use these absurd examples of what is literally recently being said to warn of the danger of using poor hermeneutics. It renders Gods promises and the work on the cross as worthless. The sacrifice of Christ was meaningless if there's nothing to be saved from. This deception is demonic!
Here's a precise article:
Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. The prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are spiritualized or allegorized into promises of God's blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2,000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1,900 years?
Galatians 1:8-9.
God bless.
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Colossians 1:18 KJV
"Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:" Colossians 1:24 KJV
"Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house." Colossians 4:15 KJV
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18 KJV
"As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Romans 9:33 KJV
"And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." 1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV
"And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:" Galatians 1:22 KJV
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." Ephesians 5:23 KJV
"That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Ephesians 5:27 KJV
"For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:" Ephesians 5:29 KJV
"For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones." Ephesians 5:30 KJV
"This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." Ephesians 5:32 KJV
Beware of doctrines demons.
There are some that supposedly have a deeper understanding of the word of God that has crept in the church.
Strategically they converse with you, " Not to convert you but to use the platform you provide them to confuse the simple.
They stand in the way of salvation for those who seek Christ through his word.
ENCOURAGEMENT.
However God is aware of Satan's tares in the congregation, And he that the Lord calls WILL come to him!!
Jude 1:4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:8-9. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
2 John 1:10-11. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Encouragement!!
The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church.
Matthew 16:18.
God bless.
Then from Galatians 1:11 to 2:21, Paul writes on aspects of his authority to share what he did over & above what these false teachers were claiming: Paul's authority given by Revelation, by the Jerusalem Church's approval, & by his rebuking of Peter.
And from chapter 3, I think is where your confusion arises. From here on, Paul teaches what the Galatians should be embracing, i.e. Justification by Faith alone & nothing else. In the Church, there would have been both converted Jews & Gentiles worshipping together. Since both were being taught by these Judaizers about adherence to the Law as well as Faith, to the Jewish convert these words in chapters 3 & 4, would have much meaning & they would be in need of more correcting.
So how does this apply to you & me? Paul is not stating that the Gentiles (including you & me) were ever under the Law, as the new Jewish believers once were, but was emphasizing that since those who were under the Law (i.e. these new Jewish believers) and those Gentiles who were being taught to also embrace the Law, are affected by the false teachers, all should be warned that they don't syncretize the two (i.e. uniting or mixing together Law & free Grace through Faith) - they cannot be mixed together - they're like oil & water. So, Curious-L, you & I were never under the Law, but we're to be careful not to adhere to the Law as well to gain salvation, to which Faith speaks against. The Law was given only to show the Jew their sin & incapability to keep it perfectly & be righteous before God - it was given to ultimately "bring them to Christ, that we (all - Jew & Gentile) might be justified by Faith."
There is a lot that we do not know of what the early church did or was like. And the church was in constant change as the decades passed and centuries rolled by. Jesus said that He would build His church, and He has over the last 2000 years. Jesus always fulfills His word and what He purposes to do. As believers, we should believe that our Lord is still building His church today and has been over the centuries. To not believe this is to deny that Jesus keeps His word.
But we know He is faithful and His words are true. We know that as God the Son, He has the power to preserve the church against the gates of hell. Yeah!
We in our time do not need to be just like the church in the 1st century anymore than the 1st century church needed to function like the Israelites.
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Paul reiterates the gospel to them: 4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Most don't recognize as Paul was traveling on his mission and preaching and establishing new churches satan was right on his heels sowing discord and lies, I believe this was the thorn in the flesh Paul prayed about 3 times and God answered him. my grace is sufficient, that's just my opinion tho.
The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Galatians was written to Jewish Christians who were straying from the Lord by relying once again on the works of the law of Moses.
The central theme of Galatians is 'Freedom in Christ' which is understood as the birthright of every believer. Through faith in Christ, he has been delivered from the bondage and condemnation of the law and from the power of sin.
Galatia (/le/; Ancient Greek: was an ancient area in the highlands of central Anatolia, roughly corresponding to the provinces of Ankara and Eskiehir, in modern Turkey.
1. The Judaizers (Jewish Christians that refused to accept the non-relevance of the Law to Israel as Truth), had entered into this Church (or, other such gatherings in Asia Minor), & began proclaiming, even pontificating their beliefs with flowery speech & convincing arguments. Galatians 1:6-10; 3:1; 4:17. Paul refutes this 'new' teaching of 'faith plus works' ( Galatians 3:2-5).
2. Paul's apostleship defence. His authority acquired through revelation ( Galatians 1:11-24); it was approved by the Jerusalem Church ( Galatians 2:1-10); it was acknowledged in his rebuke to Peter ( Galatians 2:11-21).
3. A re-hash of the Truth - an expansion of what they earlier heard from Paul. Was the Spirit received through faith or through the Law? (3:1-5). Of Abraham's faith (3:6-9). Justification only by Faith - the Law given, only to draw men to Christ (3:10 - 4:11). Paul's own testimony (4:12-20). Testimony from an OT allegory (4:21-31).
This faith (apart from the Law), gives meaning to: full Liberty (5:1-12); genuine Love (5:13-15); enjoying the Fruit of the Spirit in spiritual walk (5:16-26). And then matters pertaining to sin in the Church (6:1-5) & giving for the Lord's Work (6:6-10).
Paul ends with his closing words (6:11-18): a final warning to beware of any who demand circumcision or keeping the Law (which those teachers even fail to keep). They might do it with false motives, even to avoid persecution from the Jews (6:12) or to boast in being their teachers (6:13), but none of them carry the marks of persecution which Paul has, showing his stand for the Truth & love for the believers.
I hope this brief explanation answers your question.
15:2 The elders - The chief doctors or, teachers among the Jews.
People's Bible Notes for Matthew 15:2
Why do thy disciples transgress? Not the law of Moses, but the TRADITION of the elders, which had as much authority with the Pharisees as the written law.
The tradition of the elders. Purported to be precepts never written in the Scriptures, but handed down from the times of Moses and the elders by oral means. These precepts were spoken of the "law upon the lip", and have been embodied in the Talmud. They were additions to the written word. See Galatians 1:14. For they wash not their hands. The orthodox Jews insisted on washing the hands before eating, not to remove the filth, but less they might have touched something ceremonially unclean. This commandment was purely traditional, but so rigidly did they insist upon observing it that the Rabbi Akiba, imprisoned by the Romans and with scarcely water to sustain life, preferred to use all provided for his ceremonial ablutions, and to die of thirst.
I myself have had many beautiful discussions with Mormons & Jehovah Witnesses. I'm sorry if I mix up the teachings. 1st I want to say many of both, are very kind, I liked just about everyone I encountered. With few exceptions. However, many scriptural discussions seemed to point to teaching that was not in-line with JKV HOLY Bible.
1st important 1= Galatians 1:3-10, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, teach don't believe another gospel even if an Angel brings, Mormons have a "new" teaching brought from "An Angel".
2nd Book of Mormon, addition to Bible? Psalms 89:34, Rev. 22:18, Deuteronomy 12:32,
3rd Mormons teach that Women can't be prophets untrue : Judges 4:4, Luke 2:36, Joel 2:28.
4th & maybe most important Mormons don't believe CHRIST Jesus is who HE says HE is. : Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, John 19, John 1,
Why do you ask?
Baptist are supposed to believe in Scripture.
I myself like to stick to the WORD of GOD. Those two are not your only choices. The choices really come down to the WORD itself here's some : John 3:15-16, Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:26-27, John 14:16,
Hopefully this is helpful.
God 24 - Father 4 - Lord 6 - Jesus 16 - Christ 37 - Spirit 17 - resurrection 1 - churches 3 - grace 7 - peace 1 - sins 3 - deliver 1 - evil world 1 - gospel 7 called 2 - angel 2 - 3RD heaven 1 - another gospel 3 - servant 3 - revelation 2 -
Jews religion 2 Son 3 - Faith 22 - Gentiles 7 - circumcised 11 - bondage 1 - Jews 6 - sinners 2 - not justified 2 - works of law = O.T. 7 - justified 6 - law = old covenant 6 - law = new covenant 1 - crucified 2 - righteousness 3 - believed 2 - children of Abraham 1 - Abraham's seed 4 - law = O.T. 15 - redeemed 2 - inheritance 2 - ordained by angels 1 - children of God 1 - baptized 1 - heirs 3 - adoption 1 - sons of God 3 - Spirit of his Son 1 - hearts 1 - hope 1 - uncircumcision 2 - leaven 2 - cross 1 - crucified 1 law of Christ - new cov. 1
Kingdom of God 1 - live everlasting 1 - world 2 - new creature 1 -
Israel of God - 1
This book also contains 22 commandments, 8 of them teach us how to Love God and 14 of them how to love our neighbor
Thou Shalt Love the lord thy God with all thy Heart with all thy soul and with all thy mind, and the second
is to love thy neighbor as thyself. These were being done already by Abraham before the Law Isaac before the
law and Noah before the law and in Gods eyes they were righteous before the written law. The law of Moses
was given to the adopted children of Israel so they would not do what the unbelieving or pagan nations were
doing that they were surrounded by. God new what they were doing and was trying to keep his adopted children
out of the soup. I never said Not To Do the Ten Commandments. When were born again of Gods Spirit and
in obedience to Gods word we are to walk in a Higher spiritual plain the law of agapeo Gods love Which Jesus Christ
displayed above and beyond the ten commandments. Don't forget there were over 400 laws given, thats why Jesus
Christ spiritually summed them up in Mathew. If a christian endeavors to walk by the spirit which no one does 24/7
he's walking the law of Love. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and the Day of pentecost started an entire different time
period in the way God deals with man in the Age of Grace. The Apostle Paul writes about it all over the place and
these instructions were given to Him by Jesus Christ directly so how can what he was Given Be Wrong. This is not
an argument by any stretch its understanding the difference between the law period and the Age of Grace which
many don't understand I being one for awhile. I'm not going to deny what I know the scriptures are saying.
The Apostle Paul in Galatians 1:11-12 he's telling the Galatians that he got born again but they were tricked into not believing anymore that what he taught them was Directly From Jesus Christ that settles it I didn't write the book
I'm just endeavoring to believe it.
John 5:19-21,
Early church was instructed
Matthew 10:8, Matthew 10:1-42,
Matthew 8:22, Mark 16:17-18,
Leviticus 21:1-4,
Leviticus 21:10-12,
Numbers 5:1-3, Numbers 19:11-22
Perhaps tradition started after early church hoping for miracle? Mark 7:6-9,
Scripture concerning Apostles :
Romans 1:1, Colossians 1:1, 1 Corinthians 1:1, 1Peter 1:1, 2Timothy 1:1, Galatians 1:1, 2 Corinthians 12:12,
* 1 Corinthians 12:27-28, 1 Corinthians 12, in context*
Additional Matthew 23:8-12, Matthew 23, in context
Hopefully these are helpful
So, indeed, Paul did "count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ" ( Philippians 3:8). Obviously, he was referring to the wealth of knowledge & interpretation of the Scriptures that had to be cast aside so that Christ might be fully apprehended, but I wonder whether he included, in his 'new' single state, that this had to be his lot for the furtherance of this newly acquired powerful Gospel that he had received & which filled him?
It's funny how We share views of Scripture It's not the dialog that often breaks the peace It's what's sown within that reflects outwardly.
You don't have to give your view, just post the scripture and there's contention!
We shouldn't be surprised
The concept is all through scripture.
John 1:4-5.
No one is going out to seek contention, It's already there.
( Example)
Matthew 10:32-38.
God don't compromise his Holiness to exercise judgment and I don't think he asks us to when dividing the word.
We have to wonder If we're not going to win them over and they know they're not going to win us over, Why are they so adamant on keeping this dialog going? Perhaps they're after the audience. And this is where I believe 2 John 1:10-11 applies.
And if we've been battling this for I know over a year!! Perhaps this verse apply.
Matthew 7:6.
My question was when do it apply and if we're so fundamental about everything else why not this?
In the secular we call the democrats "liberals" But aren't we also as a whole.
And this especially goes for those who say salvation is by works and not by grace when Paul makes that clear all through Galatians starting here-
Galatians 1:6-8.
Paul says let them be a curse
But we call them Brother.
He also emphasize it in
Philippians 3:2-11. And this is the only "religion" given to Man and it slew us.
Now this is a peaceful dialog that you and I are having but some would say it's contentious.
And by the way I have been guilty of this as well, that's why I carefully say WE.
Yes this is difficult but did the Lord say it wouldn't be?
Be strong in the Lord
God bless.
Sorry but your comment misses the point.
We ALL Know there's different views.
But all views don't have anything to do with Christian faith.
Infact some views is an offense to the faith.
That's why I posted 2 John 1:10-11.
How do you Interpret that verse?
HERE'S PAUL RESPONSE TO ONE THAT SUPPORTS A WORKS BASED SALVATION.
Galatians 1:6-9.
Galatians 3:1-29.
How do you Interpret this?
And this
Matthew 7:6.
If one is preaching another Gospel How could he be Christian?
There's many views, But one truth.
I certainly don't know it all but I pray to have the courage to apply what little I do know!!
And these verses and many more seems to give value to my point.
God bless.
R C Sproul (Sermon: The Transforming Power of the Gospel)
I'm sure there are many reasons that motivate us to change the gospel because we perceive the gospel to be not good news, but bad news, or at least if it's not good news, it's not the best news, and we can improve it and make it better than the gospel that it is.
May be that's what motivates us.
May be it's because the gospel reduces is to shame, and we can't stand that shame, and so we want to change it.
Or we see it as a stumbling block, and people are hostile to it, and so we figure that a little spoonful of sugar might make the medicine go down and so we soften it. We delude it in our attempt to improve upon it.
When Jesus Christ appeared to Him God knew there was no other way to convince this man also Jesus Christ never beat Him up instead Hey bub why are you doing this. The shock must have been beyond belief and the quilt I can't imagine, no wander he went into the desert after being born again to talk to God and say whats going on. like our change His also was not over night.
In Galatians 1:15-19 after 3 years he shows up to talk to the leaders in Jerusalem that had to blow there minds the change, then this guy starts witnessing to gentiles and fellowships with converted jews, how many do you think he fellowshipped with that he may have murdered family members. Talk about a spiritual leader, this guy was given all the needed information from Romans to Thessalonians on the operation of The Body of Christ in this the Age of Grace and how to walk in that as individuals. There will never be another Paul what an example to follow, what George Patton was in the Army, this man was for Gods Plan fearless and unstoppable. I've only scratched surface. God Bless
Part 6.
The Millennium will be the time when there will be the full manifestation of the glory, the power and the will of God over this earth. And all agree that this is not in evidence today. You'll not have hospitals, you'll not have graveyards, you'll not have the suffering nor broken hearts and lives when Christ is reigning on this earth. And it's an insult to my Lord to say that the Kingdom of Heaven is being built today and is in existence on this earth. When He is reigning you won't have the tragedy that presently exists throughout the world.
Millennium takes its label, is detailed in numerous passages including Revelation 20, Isaiah 65, and Ezekiel 40-48, among others. Ezekiel's detailed tour of the Millennial Temple virtually defies any skeptic's attempt to treat it allegorically.
1 John 2:27. Is not a verse we use to defy scripture. Any revelation from the Holyspirit should line up with Gods written word, and what Jesus taught.
John 14:26. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
One can symbolize all the scripture and twist it to say what ever. This is Dangerously flawed!!
Jesus said MY sheep hear my voice, to follow another voice and turn from the call of the great shepherd then you're not his sheep.
Paul says Galatians 1:6-8. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
2 John 1:9-10.
Keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.
God bless.
I don't believe there's any special formula for salvation other than surrendering to Christ and receiving His Spirit. It was at the point that He placed His Spirit inside me that my salvation took place. Personally, I don't like to use the word accept because the bible never says to accept Him but to receive Him. For me, to accept just means that I mentally agree with what He did for me. I have to receive Him.
I agree that growth takes time. It's a lifelong process. A person has to remain in God's word and be in submission to Him for there to be any growth. Saying we are a follower of Christ is one thing. Actually following Him and being in total submission to Him is another. As for Paul, I believe he was already set apart for salvation before he was born. I get that from Galatians 1:15.
Paul was around 30-32 years old when he had the experience on the Damascus road. God already set him apart for salvation from his mother's womb, but it wasn't until Paul was on the road to Damascus that God actually saved him. So it wasn't immediate for Paul even though God had already planned in due time to save him.
Paul didn't ask to be saved. He was on his was to have more Christians put to death. He says but when it pleased God, meaning the exact moment that God had planned. And Paul says he was separated from his mother's womb. So God already had a plan for Paul while he was still in the womb. For 30-32 years, he was carrying on in his sinful acts until one day God says "times up," and Jesus intervened.
I find it to be true with most, if not everyone that gets saved, is that we're on our own journey and He intervenes and cuts us off, stops us dead in our tracks, and points us in His direction.
Brother, thank you so much for reading my post. I truly respect your thoughts and the things you have to share. Sometimes we word things differently but often say the same thing. Thank you also for asking for clarification on what I said. God Bless!
Man makes CHOICES thousands or time a day; but those CHOICES have a CAUSE:
Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh in you TO WILL and TO DO ....
They is never an effect without there first being a CAUSE.
God is sovereign and the CAUSE of everything.
Romans 2:4 Man repents be CAUSE of the goodness of God
Philippians 1:29 You BELIEVE be CAUSE Christ CAUSES you to believe.
Galatians 1:20 You have faith be CAUSE Christ GIVES you HIS faith.
John 6:44 No one comes to Christ with a CAUSE, the Father draws that person to Christ.
God CAUSES and DOES everything, man is the benefactor of CAUSES of GOD.
Colossians 1:17 ...and by him all thing consist.... even you CHOICES.
John 15:5 ...you can of yourself DO NOTHING...
I've been away for a while so I'm not sure if you're responding to someone or you are asking this question for yourself? Either way, what leads me to believe that James is the half-brother of Jesus is that after Jesus was born, Mary and Joseph had other children. We know that Jesus had four half-brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas (Jude), and at least two half-sisters.
Paul says in Galatians 1:19, "But other of the apostles I didn't see, except for James the Lord's brother." This would be the Lord's half-brother, also the author of the book of James. What would make James the Lord's half-brother is that they shared the same mother, but different fathers.