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  • Roswitha G Phillips - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    In this verse John describes Jesus as having hair like white wool and snow. The prophet Daniel wrote that he saw the Ancient of Days, describing Him as having hair that resembled wool ( Daniel 7:9). Seen as having such a resemblance to God the Father, Jesus is eternal. His white hair suggests He is wise, experienced, dignified, authoritative, pure, and glorious.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    Alyssa.

    This description we have of the Lord in Revelation 1:14-16 is a picture of him in his Glory. Not the way he walked down hear on earth!!

    Let's visit the text.

    Revelation 1:14-16. His head and his hairs were "WHITE" like wool, as "WHITE" as "SNOW";

    ( the emphasis here is the color of his hair not texture! It speaks of ETERNITY, ANCIENT OF DAYS. )

    as you see here in

    Daniel 7:9. I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the ANCIENT OF DAYS did sit, WHOSE GARMENT WAS WHITE AS SNOW, and the hair of His Head like the pure wool:

    and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

    ( His judgment is righteous, nothing hidden. )

    as you see here in

    Hebrews 4:13. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

    And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;

    ( Brass is a material that could withstand heat, fire speaks of judgment )

    ( HE'S PURE ) " NO INIQUITY FOUND IN HIM "

    and his voice as the sound of many waters.

    And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

    and the two edged sword.

    Hebrews 4:12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    THIS IS GOD! not a black man or a white man, or any other. HE'S THE GLORIFIED CHRIST JUDGING HIS CHURCH!!

    I'm sure others can add more revelation to this.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 3 years ago
    Hello Glenn. Thank you again & for the points you shared, which I shall address:

    1. True, Genesis 2:2,3 does state that God rested (or, ceased) from all the work which He had made, which implies Sabbath (rest) & that was then given as a commandment for Israel to obey & do likewise.

    2. Isaiah chapter 66. You may be directing me to verses 23 & 24. These verses appear to be speaking about the Millennium period or at the creation of the new heavens & earth. In the OT economy, the description given here is 'from month to month and from week to week' (Moons & Sabbaths): that was their understanding. However, if it was a declaration that those who worship God at that future time will do so again on a Sabbath, (which gives a warrant to do so now), then do we also obey the moon cycles which are used to determine the 'feasts'. I'm unsure if any Sabbath-keepers/believers keep those feasts according to the moon's determination. Shouldn't they do so, if the Lord has said so? Are not the Sabbath & the Feasts equally important & incurred equal punishment if not adhered to?

    3. Can't comment on that as I believe the 'remembrance' was for Israel to do, as they still do now (as those under the Law).

    4. Daniel 7:24,25 is generally attributed to the coming Antichrist. I'm not sure whether his changing of "times & laws" applies to the Sabbath or not. So, the present condemnation of non-Sabbath-keepers (purportedly because of what Constantine ratified in 321 AD) is unjustified, since Daniel speaks of the future. Does that mean that the Antichrist will change 'Sunday worship' to another day, seeing that many Christians already do that now according to early Church practice? Or maybe to a day he chooses for all to worship him?

    5. Sorry, can't see it yet: if you could point me in the right direction. If anything, I see a continual departure from the Truths of God's Word, rampant sin, & lukewarmness in the Church.

    Blessings.
  • Bridget Brinson - In Reply on Exodus 15 - 3 years ago
    God, my Bible, says the seventh day is the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10.

    Saturday, or the seventh day in the weekly cycle, is the only day in all of scripture designated using the term Sabbath.

    Constantine did think he changed the Sabbath. Daniel 7:25 ... .and think to change times and laws. Because he thought doesn't mean he changed it. On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating: All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun.

    In Malachi 3:6, God says I am God I change not. Did God change the Sabbath? You admit that Constantine changed the Sabbath or thinks he did because so many people follow his supposed change.

    Acts 5:29 in my bible says we ought to obey God rather than man, this includes Constantine, kings, presidents, emperors, popes, etc.

    God who is omniscient, gave the days numbers which are constant. Sabbath is the seventh day in over 100 languages.



    No wonder the world is in mass confusion. A four year old can count from one to seven. Its not rocket science. Look at your standard every day calendar, Start with the first day count seven.

    My prayer is that we all come to unity on God's word, Not on my or your opinion.

    I am praying that all will believe the wisest mind in the universe GOD, JESUS Christ, THE HOLY GHOST.

    Will be praying for you all.
  • Simon - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 3 years ago
    Pat,

    The US = Mystery Babylon: No other country is close to Sodom and Gomorrah than America.

    The Beast = Russia: No other country fits the description like Russia. The characteristics of the beast shouts Russia:

    1) "More stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones ( Daniel 7:20).

    2) He is the 8th and is of the 7. Russia is, was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7 ( Revelation 17:20).

    3) In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has been healed into the Russian Federation. The people will marvel at Russia ( Revelation 13:3).

    4) Even though God has always held back Esau (Russia), he will now bring Esau forth with his northern army to destroy Jacob (US/NATO/Israel) ( Ezekiel 38:4).

    5) Obadiah states Esau (Russia) annihilated Jacob (US/Israel) then engaged in destruction beyond Babylon with an "evil thought" ( Ezekiel 38:10), by taking 3 allies from his own camp.

    6) Esau pounds Jacob so badly that the earth is knocked off its axis and wobbles back and forth like a drunkard ( Isaiah 24:20).

    7) The last time Esau and Jacob met up was on the trail, Genesis 33. Jacob was afraid Esau would kill him for stealing his birthright, but instead they exchanged gifts and parted ways.



    8) Esau will make Jacob lean this time around ( Isaiah 24:1-16).
  • Pat - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 3 years ago
    My dear friend the mark of the best is Sunday observance, however, individual who presently worship on Sunday, DO NOT have the mark of the beast. Individual receive the mark of the beast ONLY after Sunday observance has been set up by Law. You can read Revelation 14:9-12; 13:7; 17:6; 17:9

    The mark in the forehead is the seal of God. His 7th day Sabbath. Be blessed. Other texts: Daniel 7: 23 - 25; 13: 1-6
  • Robert D Taylor - In Reply on Nehemiah 8 - 3 years ago
    Thank you Brother Dan....

    Ask any prelate (employee: priest, bishop, cardnal, and even pope, and they will tell you that they changed the holiness of the Sabbath Day, in fact they are quite proud of it....

    See Daniel 7:25 "He shall speak pompous words against the Mostg High . Shall persecute the saints of the Most High.

    And shalol intend to change times and laws."

    I ask you which of God's Ten Commandments has to do with time? Only the Fourth Commandment, which starts out with "Remember", which is really the only one of the Ten that man wants to forget. and do away with. Also, consider that man can not really change or do away with any of God's Ten Commandments, they cab only "Think" to do so....

    God os not caught "flat footed here" He knew that a power would try this in thefuture....
  • Simon - In Reply on James 1 - 3 years ago
    S. Spencer,

    Greetings, this site has some of the best NT scripture-smiths around. NT 27 strong.

    Salvation to me begins at the seventh trumpet twinkle, with the 144,000 first fruits standing on the hill with Messiah, the Christ. ( Revelation 14:3-4) Please try to account for any souls other than these who are worthy of the first fruit resurrection, lest ( Revelation 20:5)? From your study, what are 2 things Christians should know about salvation?

    I'm really surprised at how little of the OT, especially the prophets, are discussed here. They're the foundation, they offer tomorrows clews: Daniel 7:8 being Ezekiel 38:14 (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey) should interest you enough to see what they're talking about.

    One thing we can agree on is that we are living in the end-times of Matthew 24, yet no one talks about it.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on John 3:13 - 3 years ago
    Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with his wisdom and His understanding.

    There is two groups of people in God's Kingdom. The ones being called NOW; resurrected with Christ, will be the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

    Revelation 5:10

    Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, SHALL BE GIVEN to the people of the saints (priest) of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS SHALL SERVE AND OBEY HIM (being made one with Christ they will obey us also).

    Those raised at the second resurrection are the ones under the authority of God's priest and judges.

    Revelation 2:26-27

    Psalms 2:8-10

    Revelation 3:9

    Psalms 149:9
  • Simon on 2 Chronicles 10 - 3 years ago
    Part 2

    Ezekiel 38:10-13

    Gog did all that God asked of him by destroying Israel, Babylon, so what turned God against Gog? "At the same time" he's doing God's will, Gog thinks an "evil thought".

    10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

    11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

    12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

    13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

    vs 13 connection:

    ( Daniel 7:24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them (Gog); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings, [Sheba, and Dedan, and Tarshish].

    ( Daniel 11:42) He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. [Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Turkey?]

    Gog attacks 3 of 10 nations gathered unto him, nations that surround Israel. He subdues and spoils them by ground warfare (like Judah), not by annihilating them to dust like the house of Israel (Isaiah:13). antichrist seeks a Greater Israel Project of his own.

    from vs 10: "that at the same time....."
  • Jesse - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Jane,

    The entire chapter of Luke 21 is a section of scripture that deals with the preaching of Jesus in Jerusalem, which begins at Luke 19:28 and ends at Luke 21:38. Chapter 21 can be broken down into several parts as such:

    Luke 21:1-4 gives us the proper understanding of giving.

    Luke 21:5-9, the prophecy concerning the temple.

    Luke 21:10-19, the persecution against believers.

    Luke 21:20-28, the prophecies of judgment against Jerusalem.

    Luke 21:29-33, the parable of the fig tree.

    Luke 21:34-36, the precaution concerning the last days.

    Luke 21:37-38, the Passover week schedule.

    There is a lot of information in Luke Chapter 21. Is there a particular verse or verses you would like to have some clarification on?
  • Chris - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Thanks again Jesse for sharing that and I trust you had a very enjoyable & profitable camping trip.

    What you shared truly shook me. I was well aware of the moral & spiritual condition of the city of Corinth, with its temple to Aphrodite/Astarte & its many prostitutes (serving as priestesses) that served there but had no inkling that such deplorable things had made inroads into the Church. Indeed, the Church was in a bad shape which would have grieved the apostle immensely but to have to root out wickedness at that level, would have been formidable & agonizing to him.

    So I can see that those reasons you gave would have been sufficient for Paul to express chastity as a preference to marriage. For if it was persecution that was being hurled against the Church, I would think that such a Church in such a condition would have little to fear from the world, when the world was well & truly in the Church. Blessings brother.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    James,

    As I'm sure you know, the account is given to us in Acts Chapter 28. Paul was taken prisoner in Rome and was put on house arrest. He had his own living quarters, and we find out at the end of Chapter 28 that he will be there for two years before they release him because he hasn't done anything wrong. But Paul would be recaptured a second time, and as tradition tells us, he will be taken outside of the city and beheaded by the Roman government.

    So Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired, or rented house. Rome had to pay the expenses, not only of his trip but of his rented house. And he received all that came in to him, and he did two things: he preached the kingdom of God, and he taught those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ.

    This was from morning until evening. And people were free to come and go, as Paul was allowed to have visitors. But Paul was chained to a guard the whole time. And people would be coming to him day and night listening to him speak. Can you just imagine this poor guard? He was going to hear Paul preach and teach whether he wanted to hear it or not!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Hi Chris,

    From what I gather, the believers in Corinth were facing a challenging time. The church in Corinth was very corrupt and Paul wrote 1 Corinthians to address the corruption that was in the church. It was pagan worship, and prostitution was part of the worship service and people brought their families. And this was a constant seven-day-a-week influence on that city.

    So now these people have received Christ, and they're gathering together as followers of Jesus after He has saved them, but they still have to live in this environment. They are in a community where this is all the people do, is participate in perversion and corruption as part of their worship.

    So they had a great struggle in the church there because a lot of the problems that they struggled with were in the church in Corinth. That may have been the "present distress" Paul spoke about?

    I wanted to touch on what Paul's reason may have been for saying that he wished all men were like him (Single) and that if they were to marry, that such would have trouble in the flesh.

    Paul says "Such will have trouble in the flesh." It's a fact of life! Whether a married couple loves each other or not, there's going to be trouble in the flesh. It seems from Verse 35 that the motive for Paul's teaching this way was so that our devotion to the Lord will be without distraction.

    Verses 32-33 seem to show the contrast between a married and single person's devotion to the Lord, where a single person, whether a man or woman, can be totally devoted to the Lord. But a married person no longer has the same amount of devotion because their concern is on pleasing their spouse. Paul doesn't say this is wrong. I believe it's a normal human response for someone who is married.

    I believe Paul was once married, although scripture does not specifically tell us. If he was, he would have experienced it both ways as far as devotion goes, possibly prompting him to say he wished all men were single such as himself.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Hi cat,

    You're welcome to join in.
  • James EnglishP on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Paul is taken to Rome where he is under house arrest, though still preaches the word of God. What happened to Paul afer that. ?
  • Cat on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    I'm to this where do I start. Would love to join Bible discussions.
  • Chris - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Page 2.

    In Revelation chapter 22, I see one part of the message completing in verse 15, with a new part beginning in verse 16. And this is the final appeal by Jesus, for all people who are alive & "athirst" (not those in Hell or consigned in judgement) to come & take of His Life-giving waters freely. Those unrepentant sinners & those consigned in judgement have no second chance, whether at death or at judgement ( Hebrews 9:27).

    I understand that you believe that the Lake of Fire is a judgement, however temporary until sinners come to the Truth. This would be a huge discussion to have, rather I would ask three questions: what was then the need for the Cross if hell was temporary?; and why the need to repent now before it's too late ( 2 Corinthians 6:2) & why the urging of Jesus & His apostles to put away sin & live accordingly in newness of mind & spirit, if eventually we all (saved now & unsaved) end up in 'Paradise'?

    If these things were not constantly before us as we read the Bible, we could then believe as you do, that there yet remains hope for the unrepentant in this life but who then repents in the next. This teaching I believe, is against God's Word & against Jesus' preaching that we have only this life to come to the Light & repent, for there remains no second chance to the sinner.
  • Chris - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Page 1.

    Dear Earl. I do understand your position about God's Judgement & the Lake of Fire, to which I'll refer to later. But to your question on Revelation 22:15 & then to Revelation 22:17.

    Revelation chapters 21 & 22 speak of the New Jerusalem coming out of Heaven. Revelation 21:8 speaks of those sinners (as described therein) who will have no part in this glorious City. And of course, this verse is linked to Revelation 22:15. So in chapter 21, we read that those 'sinners' "will have their part in the Lake of Fire" & therefore, those in chapter 22 must also refer to those same people. But the question: are those verses in conflict (i.e. are they either in the Lake of Fire or are they living out their lives outside the new City)?

    We know that this new City is prepared & brought down to the new Earth where no corruption exists nor can enter into, so what are we to make of this 'conflict'? If as you believe, that these sinners outside the City are the ones to be invited to "take of the water of life freely", then this new Earth is no longer pure & holy, as sinners also live on it. However, if Rev 22:14,15 does NOT refer to sinners sitting outside the City, peering in or longing to enter in, but rather being altogether outside the City, in Hell fire, then we have compatibility with these verses in both chapters. In Greek, the word for 'outside' ('exo') allows for being both outside of an area (e.g. Mark 3:31) or completely separated from an area (e.g. Mark 4:11). So, given Rev 21:8, one has to believe that these sinners are not waiting outside the gates, rather, they're excluded from both the City & the Earth, outside the Mercy of God, in judgement.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Hi Chris,

    You brought a couple things to my mind that I would like to share. Mainly why I think Paul had wished that men were single like him. I am out on a camping trip for the weekend but will respond back on Monday.

    God bless!
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Brother Chris, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

    In your reply on Revelation 22 you stated that the anti-christ and those who the Father's name was not in their forehead perished in the lake or fire.

    My question is who are the ones verse 15 is speaking of and aren't they the ones verse 17 is inviting to come drink of the waters of life.

    Could it possibly be the lake of fire is is ONLY JUDGEMENT and when they have come to truth; they also will be IN CHRIST.

    Proverbs 16:1-7
  • Trip - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Because it belongs there.
  • Thereisagulf - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Amen, brother Chris.
  • Chris - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Revelation chapter 22 was part of the vision that the risen Christ, by His Angel, gave to His beloved servant John. To not give His Message in chapter 22 or for John to leave it out, would not make this final Book of prophecy the complete Word of God, to which no more could be added.

    Just to note verse 4: "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." What a wonderful expectant time that will be to all who are the redeemed of the Lord: to be with the Father & the Son in the New Jerusalem, having His Name inscribed on our foreheads, instead of the many perishing in the Lake of Fire with the Antichrist's Name placed on theirs.
  • Chris - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Thanks Jesse, that was very interesting to read - never considered that possibility. Just wanted to add verses 26 & 28 for further thought: Paul spoke about "the present distress" and "such shall have trouble in the flesh".

    I wonder whether the believers in Corinth were facing a particularly challenging time to their faith &/or their lives, which prompted Paul to strongly advise them to take away their focus on becoming a couple or a family & attend to what was happening around them (whatever that might have been). Again, only guesses on our part.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    1 Corinthians 7:7 says "For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."



    So Paul says I wish that all men were even as I myself.



    Paul was not married at that time even though he probably was married at one time. The reason was that he was a member of the Sanhedrin when persecution broke out against the early church, and one of the requirements for being in the Sanhedrin is that the person be married.



    So Paul's wife had either passed away or she divorced him because of his conversion. Whatever the case may be, we don't know. But he says I'm single, and I wished, not commanding, but I wished that everybody was as I myself.
  • George on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Was Paul married

    why was Rev 22 15 put in the Bible
  • Richard in Christ on Proverbs 26:4 - 3 years ago
    First I will post about someone saying "God doesn't have hands". We all Know God is Spirit. For someone to say He doesn't have hands is absurd. God can have, and be, anything He wants. Here is some Scriptures to consider for the one who stated this:

    In Genesis 3:8 the Lord was "walking" in the garden of Eden. In Exodus 33:20 He said no man shall see my "face" and live. Exudus 33:23 speaks of His "hand" and "back parts". The vision of Daniel 7:9 seeing the Ancient of Days(God) "sitting" on His throne wearing a "garment" and having "hair". Many other details in Revelation of one who "sat" upon the throne.

    Did God not make us in His image?

    Just because we in this physical body cannot see the spirit realm, unless God chooses to send someone a revelation or vision etc, does not mean it is not there.

    God Bless.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Psalms 138 - 3 years ago
    Darren, may the Spirit grace you with his wisdom and his understanding.

    I'm not sure you understand the kingdom of heaven.

    John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.

    Luke 20: 35-36 But they who shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

    (vs 36) Neither can they die anymore: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    Revelations symbolizes how you obtain that world and the judgement the saints will bring upon the earth.

    1 Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world?

    Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the judgement written: this honour has all his saints.

    Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works until the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

    (vs 27) And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers, even as I received of my Father.

    Revelation 3:9 Behold I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews (circumcised in the heart), and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

    Those in the kingdom of heaven are those who are going to rule over the earth symbolized in Revelation and explained in the prophets.
  • Debra - In Reply on Daniel 2:43 - 3 years ago
    Beasts/government systems

    Babylon- Head- Gold

    overthrown by-

    Medes/Persians- Chest and arms-Silver

    overthrown by-

    Greece- Thighs- Brass

    overthrown by

    Rome-Legs-Iron

    Ten Toes- Iron and clay, that are mixed but do not cleave to one another .

    There's a harlot (religion) that rides each Beast. everyone of them are pagan religions that originated in Babylon.

    The last Harlot is the Roman Universal/Catholic religion and it's nothing but ancient Roman paganism with bible in one hand where they have decreed that the laws set forth by the Creator for mankind to follow that would separate them from the pagans.... has been done away with. When YHWH"S laws can never be done away with by man.

    Look up the Creed of Constantine, read the creed and then look up Daniel 7:25 and see where that verse was fulfilled at the Council of Nicea.

    Every Church on earth is biblically lawless because of that Harlot. An protestant churches are her daughters.

    YHWH always destroys mankind when they've gone too far in their sexual immorality. And we are off the chain in that area right now. And the Pope just said that God loves homosexuals. He's also a SJW Marxist and believes in man made Climate Change.Some Catholic Churches have already begun to talk about their sins against the environment and penance.

    YHWH"s wrath on earth will be called proof of man made climate change.


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