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  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Aaron,

    I was just pointing out; Revelation is similar to a book or movie that is written in a way I think is called, a frame story or cross-cutting. It is like John wrote it down as he was shown, he may have been like Daniel when Daniel was shown things, he had not a clue of its meaning like Daniel 7:15.

    Like what you said about Babylon, daylight between vs 12 and vs 14. If you look in Rev. 17 the ten kings/kingdoms/countries hate the whore and they destroy Babylon. In Rev. 18 we see Babylon is fallen and what effect it has on the world. Babylon will be destroyed before the second coming of Jesus and the verses you listed.

    These ten kingdoms/countries are the same that go out to make war with Jesus Revelation 17:14 and we know how they end in Rev. 19. Can we know what countries will be involved in these final days before it starts? Is Babylon a country or city or something else? It is called a whore; the mother of harlots and fornication is done.

    There are many teachings out there but who is right? We may have to come to a point and accept some things have not been revealed to us. We must be ready to face what is coming, it may not be what we have been taught. My understanding, we will face what many believers in Jesus faced in the past. They were not spared from going through tribulation or being killed and we will not either, we must be ready to face the end, even if we are facing death.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Cecil - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Chris,

    Prophesy happens once or twice, maybe even 3 times, Israel will be invaded (again) by Gog, and taken ( Ezekiel 38:1-17). And when Israel is taken, where is her protection against captivity? One must be able to decipher events between the 5th-6th & 7th trumpets to know the end-times. Questions like "who is the beast and who is Babylon" ( Revelation 18)? Who is the king of the north ( Daniel 11:40), and who is the king of the south? Who are Jacob and who are Esau representing (nations) in the book of Obadiah; when did the two boys ever fight? No, it's a future battle. The thing is, all 3 depictions are describing the same thing, the same battle, the sixth trumpet day of the Lord. The same thing happens with the sealed saints, and people think "new characters" have been added to the narrative.

    For me, Mystery Babylon is America, and Babylon proper are the allies within the crooked system, while the beast is Russia. After the USSR fell, the little horn popped up in 1991 as the new Russian Federation ( Daniel 7:8). There is much more to it, but that's for your curiosity to search out.
  • Aaron - In Reply - 2 years ago
    SolaScript,

    This isn't an argument I like, simply because we are not getting the whole picture, it's a dream state in Plato's cave.

    I'm dismayed to report that your context lacks continuity:

    Revelation 6 describes subsequent seals, through sixth seal events that lead up to and are actually kicks off (vs 12) the day of the Lord. You must have got mixed up here, made a mistake in scripture selection.

    Revelation 7:13-14 These are the 7th trumpet saints, resurrected from the great tribulation and standing in heaven, they were previously getting sealed in verses 1-8.

    Matthew 24:29-31 This sequence tells of the 6th trumpet (vs 29) and the 7th trumpet 2nd coming of Christ (vs 30). They are 2 separate events in time.

    Isaiah 13:9-11 This is a classic 6th trumpet, day of the Lord depiction.

    Revelation 7:15-17 OK, this is a millennium scripture.

    The earth was not ever fully destroyed, and that is the absolute reason why Jesus intervenes on our affairs. Jesus returns when he does to stop anti-christ's feuding army from completely blowing up the earth. God lures the beast to Armageddon, where originally the beast was going to fight the false prophet to the death, until Christ showed up. If Jesus didn't save the earth, then whats the point of a savior? He didn't die on the cross in vain. I strongly believe you are reading this wrong, and limited sources doesn't help much.

    Daniel 7:12 will manifest itself in our realm, like anti-christ will manifest himself after the falling away. The other beasts are nations, and peoples, not figments of God's imagination. These characters are real nations and real people, doing the Lord's will. The same on earth as in heaven, so above, so below. We are soon moving on to a new age, and changes are on the way.
  • SolaScrip - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Aaron.

    One of the conditions of the Millennium time period doctrine is that it must take place on the physical earth 'prior' to the earth's destruction. The 144, 000 are discussed in Rev. 7. Herein lies the problem. Rev. 6 describes the return of Christ and the Wrath of God 'destruction', and falling apart of the earth. Rev. 7:13-14 coincides perfectly with Matt. 24:29-31 and Isaiah 13:9-11. Also, Rev. 7:15-17 describes these people being in a heavenly/spiritual realm, not a physical one. The earth has already been destroyed at this time and the Millennium cannot be happening because its doctrine states that the earth will be the same throughout the 1,000 years and the New Heaven and New Earth will not come until after the Mill.

    Daniel 7:12 also has a similar problem. It is all a symbolic, spiritual 'vision' - not literal. Verse 13 reads:

    "I saw in the 'night visions' and behold one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. ... His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

    The Ancient of Days is a Spirit and resides in the spirit realm. John 4:24

    An everlasting dominion which shall not pass away and a kingdom which shall not be destroyed does not say anything at all about a 1,000 year trial period of time. No Millennium verses here. This is all symbolic vision and/or things taking place in the spirit realm. They cannot be speaking of the Millennium doctrine.
  • Aaron - In Reply - 2 years ago
    SolaScrip,

    You are missing the 144,000 resurrected saints who will be ministering to Jesus Messiah during the 1,000 years. Apparently the earth needs repair before it's able to transform itself.

    You are also not taking into account the "other beasts" that were allowed to continue ( Daniel 7:12) after the beast and false prophet were placed in the lake of fire. So, the beast's surviving allies continued with the saints into the millennia. Note: it takes the house of Israel 7 months to bury Gog's bones. Symbolic as it may be, a earthly version will unfold here on earth: God is multi-dimensional and awesome, so you never know.

    There's something mystical going on here. Albeit, God wants us to focus on this life, not the afterlife. That's why so little is given.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey SolaScrip,

    Is there scripture outside Revelation that confirms an exact 1000 years? The answer is no. Are there false teachers out there? The answer is yes, there are many, 1 John 4:1. Are there scriptures that say the Son of God will reign on earth? The answer is yes. Psalm 2:6-9 Psalm 22:27-31 Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah 9:6-7 Isaiah 24:21-23 Jeremiah 23:5 Ezekiel 20:33-44 Ezekiel 39:21-29 Zechariah 2:10-13 Zechariah 8:2-3 Zechariah 14:1-9 Matthew 19:28 Revelation 11:15 Revelation 20:4 and more.

    Is there any scripture that says people will go to or reign in heaven? The answer is no. Are there scriptures that say the elect will reign with Jesus on earth? The answer is yes. Daniel 7:27 2 Timothy 2:11-13 Revelation 5:10. Are there scriptures that describe how things change after Jesus returns? The answer is yes. Zechariah 8:4 Isaiah 11 Isaiah 60:15 Isaiah 65:18-25. These people will be alive on the second coming of Jesus, they will have the opportunity to live longer if they choose to obey God.

    Are there things that have not been revealed to us? The answer is, yes? Jesus will return and set up the kingdom here on earth and He will put all enemies under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:25. Will death still be during the time Jesus is ruling? The answer is yes. The purpose is to fulfill the rest of the scriptures with Jesus, Israel, the Gentiles, and creation that has not yet been fulfilled.

    The only scripture that gives us 1000 years is Revelation, but many scriptures tell us the kingdom will be set up on earth. We have these, Numbers 14:21 Psalms 115:16 Micah 4:1-3 Matthew 5:5 Matthew 6:10. Not to debate, with the time it will take I cannot say the 1000 years are false.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • SolaScrip - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Between your post and mine, what I stated was very matter of fact and impersonal. Yours was defensive. I certainly didn't call you out personally and if what I posted was perceived as a threat to you, you did not have to reply.

    The Isaiah passage you quoted was very long and general. It does mention the New Heaven and New Earth, though. That is not part of the Millennium doctrine, it is said to come after that time frame. The Millennium doctrine claims that the earth will remain as is for the 1,000 year period and not be destroyed, or made new, until after that time period. Also, New Heaven and New Earth can imply a heavenly/spiritual time, which supports my position that the Millennium is not supported by any scripture outside of Revelation.

    In the Rev. 20 passage, thrones are mentioned as well as souls of the beheaded. This strongly implies a heavenly/spiritual dimension, not physical. Beheaded souls cannot be alive in the physical. The mention of thrones echoes Daniel 7:9 which speaks of a heavenly/spiritual realm of existence where the Ancient of Days is upon the throne.

    Revelation is highly symbolic and non-literal, even the intro says so. John himself states that he was "in the spirit" on three, or more, occasions. There are some things in Revelation that are backed by multiple other scriptures outside of the book itself, but the Millennium reign has no support at all. The rest of scripture makes the case clearly that Jesus will return, gather His people and the Wrath of God destruction, and wiping out of sinners, will ensue. It is then that the New Heaven and New Earth will begin. Not a thousand years after, and not before the Wrath of God destruction and final judgment of all sinners.

    Matthew 24:29-31

    Isaiah 13:9-11

    Revelation 10 describes all time ending, long before Revelation 20 - which tells us we cannot take Revelation literally or in a linear perception.

    I will have to address the other contradictions in my next post. No more characters allowed
  • Leslie - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Behold, I come quickly; blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. Revelation 22:7

    Jesus Christ himself placed the benchmark high according to the prophets, and not about what's convenient for man. Uncomfortable truths here are discouraged from uncovering. Did Ham's son bear the curse God dealt out or not? If you can't face the small facts, how are you gonna handle the day of the Lord when it takes you by surprise, simply because you never understood what it was. The trumpets you ignore. That's a shame, but then the Lord says when His people are attacked, Ezekiel 21:12, they will not know from where it came from, as if they're too caught up in their own Gospel to know the difference.

    Do you wonder why the USSR fell in 1991 of a deadly wound, and up popped up a new country, a new government, called The Russian Federation? Daniel 7:8 Russia is the little horn, more stout than his fellows Daniel 7:20 Russia is run by a president who refers to his nuclear arsenal as a "fiery serpent" Isaiah 14:29.

    You people literally have no idea what's about to go down while this is what I carry around every day:

    And it shall be when they say unto thee,Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shall answer for the tidings because it come as an every heart shall melt and all hands shall be civil and every spirit shall faint and all knees shall be weak as water behold it, and it shall be brought to pass saith the Lord God. Ezekiel 21:7

    Ezekiel and the rest of the prophets see what I see coming and there's no denying it. If you have the least bit inclination as to what I'm talking about you may as well get your house in order now.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 2 years ago
    Please see these references: Mark 9:1-7, Matthew 17:2, Matthew 28:3, Luke 9:29, Revelation 19:11-16, Revelation 1:14, Mark 16:5, John 20:12, Acts 1:10, Ecclesiastes 9:8, Revelation 3:4,5, Revelation 7:9-17, Revelation 20:11, Isaiah 1:18, Revelation 6:2,11, Revelation 9:18, Daniel 11:35, Revelation 4:4, Daniel 7:9, Revelation 2:17, Daniel 12:10,

    John 4:35,

    But Also : Genesis 40:16-23, Joel 1:7, Leviticus 13, Revelation 15:6,

    Hopefully these are helpful.
  • Robert Taylor - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 15 - 2 years ago
    Yes, I have just read the book of Galatians, again. I know that Paul was having trouble with the Pharisees in particular about wanting Paul's converts to be circumcised, according to the law of Moses. That is where they sent a delegation to Jerusalem, to James and Peter, and the other Apostles. Both sides presented their case there. After much discussion, Peter rose up and told his story of how he was led to go to the house of Cornelious, who was not a Jew, for it was an unwritten law that Jews were not to go to non-Jewish homes. Once there Peter saw how the Holy Spirit had worked with Cornelious's family, and could only agree to spend time with them, teaching them all the more. Thus, it was decided that Paul's converts did not have to be circumcised, as was not Cornelious's family was not either.

    Thus the book of Galations refers to Paul's teaching that his converts, by way of them having not to be circumcised, were to be followed, and no other gospel/teachings of others, was to be followed.

    In no way does Galations mention God's Ten Commandments, which were written in stone, signifying that they were never be changed. Have you read Daniel 7:25 "He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law."

    God, the Most High, is never caught "flat-footed" so to speak. Back in the time of Daniel, He knew that there would be a power that would in the future "think" to change God's Law,l that dealt with time". God's laws can never be changed, only man can think to change His holy Law.

    Of God's Ten Commandments what is the only Law that deals with time? It is the Fourth Commandment. In it noting that God states that it Sabbath is His Holy Day! And is the only one that starts with the word "Remember" which Satan has prompted man to try to forget! See Exodus 20:8-11. (And Ex. 16:14-35).

    Please see, 2 Timothy 3:16, 17... Thanks, Robert
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 2 years ago
    Hi Wilma Smith,

    There is in Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

    Some take prophecy and symbols like animals and put things together to fit theories about end times. Some put Great Britain and the United States. The Lion represents Great Britain, and the Eagle wings represent the United States of America. Bear means Russia, the leopard means Germany, the chief battle tank of Germany is the leopard tank (Panzer), and more.

    Like the wings in Revelation 12:14, you can see in Exodus 19:4, this may give a better understanding of the term used. This could not be referring to either America or airlift by the United States. It has a meaning of caring for the young (children), like what Jesus said in Matthew 23:37.

    There are seven-year periods for different things in the bible like seven-year Sabbath, seven years of plenty and then seven years of drought Joseph was given and more, but the seven years that have been placed at the end times is a theory, not in scripture. It is taken from Daniel 9:27 which in my understanding has been fulfilled. You will find only 3.5 years, 42 months, and 1260 days.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 1:14 , Psalms 104:19,

    Exodus 23:14, Nehemiah 9:6-38,

    1 Thessalonians 5:1-23, Act 1:7-11, Daniel 2:20-22,

    Psalms 16:7, Matthew 21:31-41, Daniel 7:23-27, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, Isaiah 33:6, Jeremiah 8:7, Ezekiel 12:27, Daniel 7:2-27, Daniel 9:2-27, Daniel 11:2-45 -continues- Daniel 12:1-4, Luke 21:5-36, Revelation, the whole book,

    Psalms 106:3, Psalms 31:15,

    Deuteronomy 18:10, Deuteronomy 18:14, 2 Kings 21:6,

    1 Chronicles 12:32, Esther 1:14,

    Psalms 9:9, Psalms 62:8,

    Matthew 16:2-3,

    Hopefully these are helpful in your study.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Godwin. In this passage (Ezekiel chapter 21), the prophet Ezekiel is announcing a grave warning to Judah (vv 20,25) about their future. The repetition of the word "overturn", or as in Hebrew, 'to overthrow/bring to ruin', is a warning & denunciation of Judah's kings, especially the last one (Zedekiah), that that kingly line will come to an end (v 26) because of their many transgressions (vv 24,25). So repeating the word 'overthrow' emphatically brings home the message, 'what the LORD says & commands, will occur & Judah (& Israel) should be warned'.

    Verse 27: so the prophecy is that the line of the kings of Judah will end, "until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him." There was no king after Zedekiah, & even though history records that after their captivity in Babylon, some priests of the Asmonean race (not of Judah) assumed the title of kings, they, nor anyone else would have right to rule Judah until the One Whom the LORD appoints comes & sits on the Throne of David ( Zechariah 6:12,13; Luke 1:32,33; Daniel 7:13,14). The nation of Israel has been without a king, since they have rejected the Messiah of God, but the day will come when God will restore all things ( Ezekiel 20:40-44) and Israel will acknowledge Jesus: "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." ( Matthew 23:39).
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    If we're just going by what is written in this Biblical translation, it appears the chronological order is Daniel 1 being account of capture & being taught in the ways of the "Chaldeans". I likewise was studying Daniel recently & found interesting how the books are like that.

    Daniel 1:1, Daniel 2:1, dates of significant recognition. 2 Kings 24:1-2,

    Historical insight 2 Kings 24:3-16, this appears to be the time that brought Daniel & his friends into that place of capacity. Note they left the poor in the land 2 Kings 24:14,17,18 which may explain the historical reference mentioned by other comment. 2 Kings 25:8-12,

    Stated 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar._._.

    Please note Daniel 4:6-9,18, Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged Daniel as "knowing the spirit of the holy" GOD was in him, therefore it shows Chpt 4 being after the first interpretation. Daniel 4:29, Daniel 4:23,

    Daniel 5:11, Daniel 5:20-22, Daniel 5:31, Daniel 6:28,

    Please note Daniel 7:1 it goes back to time of Daniel 5. Daniel 4, to Daniel 2, In some ways, not in the same vision but the statement in Daniel 2:47, So consistantly Daniel jumps back into moments within previous Chapters to add additional situations within those time frames

    Daniel 1:20, chapter 2, could also explain this statement of why Daniel 1:20, states that.

    Notice also in Daniel 5:10-14,

    Hopefully these are helpful in your study
  • Tom Stoud - 3 years ago
    Look how closely these 2 prophets parallel each other. Ten thousand x ten thousand and thousands of thousands.

    Daniel 7:8-10 &

    Revelation 5:8-11
  • Frank - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Rick,

    I appreciate your candid honesty; my associates would've answered that question in defense of America, with glowing patriotic stories of our might. Some answer falsely because of reprisals.

    America, the counterfeiter, tried to act the beast in Daniel 7:20, when they took three of their own towers on 9/11. "His look" was more stout above his 10 kingdoms is Russia, the beast, king of the north, Esau, having 11 time zones of stout. 1991's USSR deadly wound that became the mighty Russian Federation, Revelation 13:3

    So, after the 9-11 attacks, General Wesley Clark announced this to the world: Global Warfare:"We're going to take out seven countries in five years: Iraq Syria Lebanon Libya Somalia Sudan and Iran."

    So after three NY towers were taken, the US announced it would topple seven countries (7 + 3 towers = 10) in five years, Revelation 9:10. This action occurs all within the fifth trumpet. The US is diabolical and uses the occult to make their every political move, they look in the liver, Ezekiel 21:21

    Watch for the sixth seal to start peeling off when America attacks Iran's nuclear facility ( Revelation 6:14). Then we'll be on short time for what God's chosen northern army, Joel 2:11, has in its advanced arsenal. 13 months, 25 hours of coordination and preparation for our visitation.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 3 years ago
    I've had it explained to me that it was finished when Noah finished it, "that GOD couldn't move until Noah finished it" that "GOD's timing isn't man's timing. He waits sometimes for completion of events not like world thinks". That significance is amazing to consider. Genesis 6:22,

    Daniel 7:22, Galatians 4:22, Ecclesiastes 3:1-17, Daniel 7:25, Exodus 9:16-19, Hebrews 9:8-10, Psalms 105:17-19, Micah 5:2-4, seems to be significant even in future Luke 16:16,

    Hope that's helpful
  • Cowboy on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Donald Taylor

    In Daniel chapter 7 gives all of the beast the first beast Bible scholars would say this is Babylon. (do not believe them) Daniel was worried what would become of his people (the Israelites). So, God gave Daniel a vision of all the great events that would happen in the world up to the great day of judgement. Now I'm sure God didn't let Daniel put everything Daniel saw in his vision to words. But the first beast that Daniel saw in his vision was the United States (Eagle wings) coming a way from England (the lion).

    If you are a Christian stay prayed up and ready to go up and if not i ask you to become one of Gods people

    God bless

    cowboy
  • Carleton - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 3 years ago
    Daniel 7:9 says "thrones were cast down" , if we were to consider this meaning, seats were set up. Seats for both Old and New Testament believers whom overcame forces of evil, kingdoms of the world, and understood and were kept spiritually safe in the church in the wilderness. True authority has one Throne and only one seated at the Throne. Lightenings and thunderings are the powers of God. How close can saved men be to this Throne, the Throne of Righteousness? As close as the New Covenant the rainbow. This rainbow is the hope and peace between God and saved men.The sea of glass is ahead of the Throne. The redeemed could stand on this sea of glass because their sins were now transparent. The light of God could pass through them completely because of the one seated at the Throne. The twenty-four elders fall down to worship him that sat on the throne. Living representations (beasts) of all of creation witness with the elders to the Truth upon the Throne as their creator too in their continued and everlasting worship saying, "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come". The connection to the Cherubims of Genesis 3:24 which were living creatures to Ezekiel 10:20 "This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims." This chapter of Ezekiel helps to understand chapter 1 of Ezekiel where the beasts had the likeness of man, where man was the crown of God's creation in Christ Jesus.

    My meditation would lean towards that these Cherubims are the beasts and are at the four corners of the earth as borders to keep men ,because God so loved the world, on the straight and narrow way towards Salvation by the One on the Throne of God, Jesus Christ.

    :)
  • Donald Taylor on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    In v4 would the lion be a nation like the United States? I see clay as compared to freedom and iron being referred as a strong nation.
  • Jason on Daniel 7 - 3 years ago
    Trumpets 5,6 & 7 are separate from the others because they are for the last generation.

    Most everyone believes we are in the end-times, so can you put your finger on it, identify it in the time line? What events have occurred to reinforce the notion that we have entered the end of days?

    The 5th trumpet I identify with the attacks on 9-11-01, and the subsequent rush to battle. This attack officially put the world in tribulation, and stripped us of our freedoms. America and its Babylonian partners spent 20 years killing Muslims in the desert (no grass or green thing), who didn't have the seal of God in their foreheads ( Revelation 9:4).

    The US govt was drawing from ( Revelation 7), by highlighting 144,000, which is painfully obvious from 3 accounts.

    NYT Sept. 20, 2006 - Pentagon officials have said previously that the current level, about 144,000 troops, was likely to be maintained through the end of the year unless security improved.

    The Economic Times Aug 08, 2008 - The United States currently has about 144,000 troops in Iraq and 34,000 in Afghanistan.

    The Washington Institute June 15, 2007 - Rather than asking every American to sacrifice just a little in order to affect oil prices, Washington asked a few Americans -- 144,000 to be exact -- to make the ultimate sacrifice.

    Continued - President Bush promised the American public much, but he commissioned a mere 144,000 troops to carry the burden of what was meant to be one of the greatest transformative initiatives in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

    General Wesley Clark March 2007 - "We're Going to Take out 7 Countries in 5 Years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran.." The US mimics the beast's 6th trumpet attack during the 5th trumpet.

    -The US, after 3 towers were destroyed (their own property), planned to take 7 countries in 5 years ( Revelation 9:10).

    -anti-christ takes 3 horns (his own property), leaving 7 horns from 10 ( Daniel 7:20).

    More to come....
  • John - In Reply on Matthew 15 - 3 years ago
    Does this tie into daniel 7:25, where he said, "men shall think to change times and laws.
  • David M Stewart - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Adam,

    Mystery Babylon behaves and fulfills prophesy as if mirroring the beast. At the day of the Lord, and while in the midst of destroying the whole house of Israel (modern day), anti-christ attacks and takes 3 nations from his own confederacy.

    ( Ezekiel 38:13) Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil? anti-christ destroyed his own property.

    Daniel confirms the prophesy:

    ( Daniel 7:24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them (Gog); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings, [Sheba, and Dedan, and Tarshish].

    ( Daniel 11:42) He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. [Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Turkey?]

    ..............................................................................

    On 9-11-01 America attacked itself, blamed the attack on a patsy and rushed off to war, all on a pack of lies. To fight an "enemy" who fought on the US side against Iraq and Syria as hired mercenaries. This is "The Greater Israel Project," carving out a buffer zone between Israel, their neighbors and more.

    US Statement From General Wesley Clark: (after 3 towers in NY were plucked), we're going to take out 7 ME countries in 5 years.

    ( Revelation 9:10) And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men FIVE months.

    After Biblical Babylon falls, the Beast "takes" 3 of his 10 allies, leaving 7 nations in his command. The US does prophesy backwards to mimic what the Beast does by taking 3 of their own horns (towers), then taking 7 nations in 5 years (months). According to the rules of numerology, this is a perfect supplanted fit.
  • Walter Bratton on Obadiah 1 - 3 years ago
    If Gog/thebeast(of Revelation), anti-christ did all that God asked of him, by destroying Israel/Babylon, then what turned God against hisprized army? Theanswer is "at thesame time" by doing God's will, thebeastthinks an "evil thought".

    Ezekiel 38:10-13

    10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that AT THE SAME TIME shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an EVIL THOUGHT:

    11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

    12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

    13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

    Daniel has a connection to vs 13 above:

    ( Daniel 7:24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them (anti-christ); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings, [Sheba, and Dedan, and Tarshish].

    ( Daniel 11:42) He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. [Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Turkey?]

    The beast attacks 3 of 10 nations gathered unto him, nations dis-loyal thatsurround Israel. He subdues and spoils them by ground warfare (like Judah), not by annihilating them to dust like the house of Israel (Isaiah:13). God is mad because this violence has destroyed earth, knocked it off its axis ( Isaiah 24: 18) the sun, moon are ashamed. anti-christseeks a "Greater Israel Project" of his own, with limited time.
  • OSEAS - 3 years ago
    Daniel 7:v2-3

    Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven(heaven?) strove(strove?) upon the great sea.

    3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

    great sea - all Gentile nations without exception;

    sea means waters; waters mean peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues;

    the four beasts are: Babylon, and Medo-Persian, and Greece, and Roman Empire;

    these four beasts strove one another successively (in the great sea - Gentile peoples);

    these four beasts are the roots of the Beast of sea- Revelation 13:v.1 to10, mainly verse 2-Check it out.

    the fourth beast was so ugly, and terrible, so tenebrous that had not any kind of animal to figure it, and its roots

    remains until the current time through a satanic religious system, a religious MONSTER with 7 heads, 10 horns and a

    NAME of blaspheme in his 7 heads.
  • OSEAS - In Reply - 3 years ago
    JUAN DIAZ

    Be in peace, you are welcome brother in Christ. See, my reply was according my zeal by the Word of GOD, as you know , the Word is GOD. Who loves the Word, loves GOD.

    Yes, I surely repeat and place a lot of Scripture because it gives support of my end-time vision, I have not any other source except the Word of GOD to interpret the Word of GOD. Scriptures explain Scriptures.

    Dear Juan Diaz, GOD is the Truth, so what matters is Truth, and the Truth is only one. We are speaking of revelations of Apocalypses' times, not speculations, or suppositions, or conjectures, or opinions, or imaginations. That said, I take the Bible, and read Rev. 13:v.1-10-THE BEAST OF SEA. HIS ANCIENT ROOTS: v.2- he is like unto a leopard(3)-Greece, and his feet were as the feet of a bear(2)-Medo-Persian, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(1)-Babylon: These three peoples were swallowed by the Roman Empire- Daniel 7:v.2-7, and for this 4th kingdom there is not any animal because it is dreadful, strong exceedingly; and diverse from all the beasts before it; and it had ten horns. It was exactly in the dominion of the terrible 4th kingdom that GOD sent JESUS to preach the Gospel of GOD's kingdom, and after around 3 years of preachings JESUS was crucified by his own people. Antichrist was in the embryo yet.The powerful apostles of the LORD even in the absense of JESUS continued with great power the work that JESUS had started. Churches were developed in the world, Paul apostle worked hard, he ministered several churches, the church of Rome was one of them.

    The Roman Empire was being shakened by the preaching of the Gospel of JESUS and it troubled the Roman Empire,dominated by the Devil.So Satan worked in the corruption of the Churches of the Lord, the Apostles did fight against Satan. Satan CORRUPTED the CHURCH OF ROME by entire-the Antichrist developed itself-John Apostle denounced Satan's strategy- 1John 2:v.18-21

    continues in next post on Beast of sea--lack of space to write
  • OSEAS - In Reply - 3 years ago
    JUAN DIAZ

    Be in peace, you are welcome brother in Christ. See, my reply was according my zeal by the Word of GOD, as you know , the Word is GOD. Who loves the Word, loves GOD.

    Yes, I surely repeat and place a lot of Scripture because it gives support of my end-time vision, I have not any other source except the Word of GOD to interpret the Word of GOD. Scriptures explain Scriptures.

    Dear Juan Diaz, GOD is the Truth, so what matters is Truth, and the Truth is only one. We are speaking of revelations of Apocalypses' times, not speculations, or suppositions, or conjectures, or opinions, or imaginations. That said, I take the Bible, and read Rev. 13:v.1-10-THE BEAST OF SEA. HIS ANCIENT ROOTS: v.2- he is like unto a leopard(3)-Greece, and his feet were as the feet of a bear(2)-Medo-Persian, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(1)-Babylon: These three peoples were swallowed by the Roman Empire- Daniel 7:v.2-7, and for this 4th kingdom there is not any animal because it is dreadful, strong exceedingly; and diverse from all the beasts before it; and it had ten horns. It was exactly in the dominion of the terrible 4th kingdom that GOD sent JESUS to preach the Gospel of GOD's kingdom, and after around 3 years of preachings JESUS was crucified by his own people. Antichrist was in the embryo yet.The powerful apostles of the LORD even in the absense of JESUS continued with great power the work that JESUS had started. Churches were developed in the world, Paul apostle worked hard, he ministered several churches, the church of Rome was one of them.

    The Roman Empire was being shakened by the preaching of the Gospel of JESUS and it troubled the Roman Empire,dominated by the Devil.So Satan worked in the corruption of the Churches of the Lord, the Apostles did fight against Satan. Satan CORRUPTED the CHURCH OF ROME by entire-the Antichrist developed itself-John Apostle denounced Satan's strategy- 1John 2:v.18-21

    continues in next post on Beast of sea--lack of space to write
  • Seth Graham - In Reply on Exodus 15 - 3 years ago
    Daniel 7:11 & Revelation 19:20 are one in the same report from two different points of view.
  • Marianne on Exodus 15 - 3 years ago
    In Daniel 7:11 it says that the beast is slain, his body destroyed and given to the burning flame.

    Rev 19:20 we know that the anti-Christ is grown into the lake of fire alive.

    Could you please explain this?

    Thank you
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 3 years ago
    As mentioned earlier, we can't be completely sure about the present day countries that are reflected by those names given in Ezekiel 38:1,2. Therefore, many are loathed to publicize their impressions. However, some have & generally they have assumed the following: since Magog, Meshech & Tubal were all sons of Japheth (Noah's son), & it is supposed that Japheth moved into those northern parts of Europe: Ezekiel 38:15 (i.e. the vast area occupied by Russia), then those names must have their counterparts in Russia. So Magog is seen as meaning "Prince of Rosh", or Russia. Meshech, as Moscow. Tubal, as a Siberian city. It is difficult to know how accurate these interpretations are, therefore I don't subscribe to them because of the burden to be accurate in biblical hermeneutics & thus what we share to others.

    In Revelation 13:1-8, we see the vision given to the Apostle John of a "beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." And this beast was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear & a lion's mouth. If we refer to Daniel 7:3-7, we see similar animals but they denote the kingdoms of the world (v17). The Lion as King Nebuchadnezzar of the Babylonian Empire; the bear as the Medo-Persian Empire; the leopard as Grecian Empire; & the fourth, the Roman Empire. And out of the Roman Empire, was seen 10 horns. These were nations that had come out of that Empire (7:24), with one horn arising that will be prominent in the last days (Antichrist).


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