The Bible declares of itself in the King James translation:
2 Peter 1:20-21 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."
We also read in Jeremiah 36:1-4
"And it came to pass in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that this word came unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day. It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin. Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book."
In other words, these men were set apart by God and used of God to speak and write the very words that God wanted them to speak and write, so that (in the original manuscripts written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek) every word and every letter of every word came straight from the mouth of God. Those men were "moved" by God the Holy Spirit to speak that which God wanted mankind to know.
Brother, what you do is appreciated, you inspire study. I hope you do not mind this is my understanding, you say Jesus is not sitting on the right of God on His throne, that is an idiom, this means it is saying this is the person that has authority and power, and I agree but was given authority and power, but not with we will not see Jesus, Revelation 21:22. If we also read Ephesians 1:17-23 along with Acts 5:31 it says God exalted Jesus, exalted, the Greek word hupsoo means to lift or raise up, to exalt, raise high.
Ephesians 1:20-21, God raised Jesus and set Him; the Greek word kathizo means make to sit; I set, appoint a physical position of the power of the throne, that is God's divine power and authority over all of creation. After Jesus was raised from the dead, Psalm 8:6Philippians 2:9-10. This will be until all enemies are under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. The throne can also mean sharing in honor and glory by overcoming as we see in Revelation 3:21.
Jesus has been given this position, we know God placed Jesus above all in heaven and earth and under the earth Ephesians 1:19-21. Jesus was raised in a glorified body, and we will be raised in a body as His, Philippians 3:21. Jesus ascended and is in heaven in that glorified body, Acts 1:10 and when He returns it will be in that same glorified body, Revelation 19.
The other words that throw light on this are Matthew 28:18 and John 13:3, given the Greek word didomi which means to give, to give something to someone, to bestow a gift, to appoint to an office, to supply, furnish necessary things. Something given to you that you did not have before it was given like salvation and eternal life is given, godliness, 2 Peter 1:3-8.
We also have Matthew 11:27 "All things are delivered unto me of my Father" delivered the Greek word paradidomi a close word to didomi properly to give, hand over, to deliver over with a sense of close personal involvement.
1-And I saw another sign in heaven,great and marvellous,7 angels having the 7 last PLAGUES;for in THEM is filled up the WRATH of GOD->(Re.11:18&16:1)
4-Who shall not fear thee,O Lord,and glorify thy name?thou only art holy: ...and thy Judgments are made manifest.
Then the PLAGUES start to be poured, its in the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week: Revelation 16:2: The FIRST PLAGUE will be poured upon the earth; upon the inhabitants of Israel, and there will fall a noisome and grievous sore upon all MEN which have the MARK of the Beast, and upon them which worshipp his image.
And the 2nd plague will be poured upon the sea;-->sea= waters=> peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of every tongue, GENTILE PEOPLES, and they will become as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul(that was created, Genesis 2:7) shall die.-->As was in Sodom and Gomorrah, and in the neighbouring cities.
The sequence of the pragues and their consequences are described from Revelation 16:4 to 21.Terrible,very terrible, as we can foreseen by the Word of GOD.JESUS warned us: Luke 21:25-28:-->25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars( Revelation 12:1-12, take a look.); and upon the Earth distress of NATIONS, with perplexity;the sea(peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of all tongues)and the waves roaring( Psalm 2:1-5);
26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven ( Ephesians 1:3-8) shall be shaken.
27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.(the same cloud that received JESUS in His ascension- Acts 1:9-11,combined with Matthew 17:5,and 2 Peter 1:16-12,and Isaiah 4:1-6 speaking of the seven Churches as a clue to understand the prophecies).
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Also, my stating to others that you don't believe in the inspiration of the KJB is what, I honestly believed you believed. I said nothing about whether you believe the original writings were inspired because we weren't talking about those, besides our postings are public, people have been reading what you have said. Something else, yes 2 Peter 1:21 is printed in modern versions of their books but it is just a copy of the KJB, after all they couldn't write a whole new and different book but they did use manuscripts, other then the KJB which left out 64,000 words from the KJB and 3400 changes in doctrine, etc. in the NIV, again the modern version that started the translation and publishing of more modern versions. The MEBs are not written by God but by uninspired men, the KJB was inspired. That is our discussion from the beginning until now. I thought I had answered all your questions. I apologize for not doing that.
I want to find and read your posts on Matthew but I don't know how to find them, please tell me how. I hope you will read my history of the KJB. which I will post soon. God Bless :)
The reason I sent you my postings on the NIV is because you had questioned the idea, put forth by the authors of the modern version of the bible, that they were only written in an up-to-date English version to be easier to read and understand, that that was their only purpose. The NIV was the first of these according to Biblicacom and they claimed quite openly that they were writing this version that was suppose to be true to the translation of the KJB, in contemporary English. I don't know why they used different manuscript's. I can't find a reason and I think people either support this or don't care, if they even know. These authors never mention being led by the Holy Ghost. The men who wrote the KJB did: "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21 This says it about as plain as you can say it, of course, it can't be true if men only wrote it, so it must be made up and if so, what else in this book is made up and is not believable? As far as I know, this is the only bible translation that used the original writings that were canonized and written by the Holy Ghost, so I say 2 Peter 1:21 is absolutely true and therefore the KJB is the only one that can be trusted. All the rest were written by men and should not be trusted. I would like you to know that my faith is in the Holy Ghost inspired KJB. God Bless :)
This is going to be a bit repetitive but repition can be a very good thing, I think.
When considering any question from scripture, we MUST approach it from the vantage point that Christ, God Himself, is the author of the ENTIRE Bible. And, in the original languages, every word in the Bible is from the very mind and mouth of Christ Himelf.
No one would argue, I hope, that the words of Jesus recorded for us in the Bible that He spoke while on earth are indeed from the very mind and mouth of Christ Himself. Or that when we read "thus saith the LORD", that the words associated with that phrase are indeed from the very mind amd mouth of God Himself.
But what about every word that Luke or Paul or Jeremiah or Amos wrote, or any other word that the human scribes wrote in the Bible? Are they from the very mind and mouth of God Himself and carry exactly the same authority and weight as any word declared to have been spoken by Christ Himself, God Himself?
Indeed they do! "For the prophrcy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21 and "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16.
So therefore we must compare scripture with scripture, throughout the ENTIRE Bible, with the mind set that every word, every verse, every chapter in the ENTIRE Bible is from the mind and mouth of God Himself, if we hope to come to truth about any doctrine or practice that we claim to be from the Bible. Any thing less will lead us further away from truth.
In this chapter we see Jesus once again referring to His upcoming death burial and resurrection and the extreme sadness it caused the Disciples. We could see 3 reasons for this sudden interruption in the narrative and story for Jesus to say this:
1) The distraction of the events thus far of what was already most of Jesus' earthly ministry would make the Disciples complacent in thinking this would go on for many more years.
2) The main goal and focus was on His sacrifice for the sins of man to be accomplished on Calvary. Only at that point could men be able to enter heaven immediately upon death; whereas before they would have to be in Sheol (in the pleasant side).
3). In His departure; they would be the ones to continue to carry out the ministry through leadership after the Spirit came down at Pentecost and changed them. They would have to be stripped of all their confidence and all die a martyrs death exept for John. None of them would be ready when Jesus was arrested as they all ran away along with Peter. Only the Lord would get them through that.
In all honesty it is hard here just as it is contemplating what He said in Gethsemane as to the weakness of their flesh and their falling asleep due again to sorrow. God assures us that every tear is known ( Psalm 56:8). No doubt in eternity there will be reward for suffering in faith; we have consolation in what the world can't have. We have to believe that even in our own martryrdom if it comes to that or natural death is to glorify Christ and there are rewards for martyrs ( James 1:12). Paul also was given a reaction of great sorrow when he announced his imprisonment ( Acts 21:10-14). It would appear his death came at a much later date but Paul always focused on ministry and looked forward to being with the Lord; no wonder after the brutality he had to endure on and off for years in various imprisonments beforehand. He knew when his departure was near ( 2 Tim. 4) and Peter as well ( 2 Peter 1:12
There is no need to apologize you have not stirred up anything, I agree with you on 2 Peter 1:20-21 Scripture, the word of God is not the author's or prophet's interpretation or understanding of what God relayed to them through the Holy Spirit. Every word in Scripture is from God, not man, and can be cherished and trusted.
My understanding of a discussion is two or more people in respect and love share their understanding of a subject. If someone asks a question, they are asking for the understanding of the subject of someone else to reach a decision or to exchange understandings asked of the person.
Truth is only given to us through the Spirit of Truth that Jesus sends to us from the Father, which proceedeth from the Father, John 15:26. You may see the earth was destroyed by the sin of Satan between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2, my understanding that produces two beginnings of the earth and the universe as Scripture tells us in Genesis 1. God has no beginning, the angels had a beginning, and the angels saw and shouted for joy at the beginning of this earth and universe Job 38. We may not agree on some points but that is ok.
We aa Christians should examine ourselves, "Not by what we do or by what we don't do or what we know, But by Who we have! Christ!
I'd we have Christ Spirit the inside of our vessels will be cleansed.
Then we can wash one another feet.
( Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:4-8.
2 Peter 1:20 No PROPHECY of the scripture is (in and of itself it's) OWN private interpretation.
2 Corinthians 13:1 ...in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established .....
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, ye shall surely not DIE:
Genesis 3:5 FOR GOD DOTH KNOW that in the day you thereof, then your EYES SHALL BE OPENED, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD and EVIL.
This is ALL PROPHECY.
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God SAID, Behold, the man HAS BECOME AS ONE OF US, to KNOW good and evil.....
The FRUIT was KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, the KNOWLEDGE of gods.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not WRITTEN in your LAW, ye are gods
John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the WORD the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.
Psalms 82:6
Deuteronomy 10:17 your God is a God of gods, and Lord of Lords ....
Psalms 136:6 Give thanks unto the God of gods, for his mercy endureth for ever.
Now, Eve was a prophecy of the coming bride of Christ by HIS RESURRECTION, and what happened she was resurrected with her husband to never DIE.
The gift of God is eternal life.
God can even use Satan to speak prophecy, what did Satan say, Ye shall never DIE.
Luke 20:36 Neither can THEY DIE ANYMORE, Adam (Christ) took of the fruit and did eat with his wife and Christ and his wife (creation) DIED, and the spirit of the Father RAISED them as ONE FLESH), for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN of the RESURRECTION.
Philippians 2:5 Let this MIND BE IN YOU, which also was in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, though it not robbery to be equal with God.
For the letter "M" in our study of Who God is I choose:
"MAJESTIC"
"O, LORD, our LORD, how excellent (majestic) is Your name in all the earth." Ps. 8:1,9
"For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses to His majesty." 2 Peter 1:16-17
God dwells in inaccessible light ( 1 Tim. 6:16). So how can we know Him or describe what He is. We cannot do so perfectly because there are aspects of God that we may never be able to know, understand, or comprehend. There will eternally be some things God will not reveal about Himself to us because of His transcendent nature. He is above and beyond, distinct and separate from His creation. He is more infinitely more unlike humans than He is similar. This is one aspect of His majesty, and one that is so very hard for us to find words to express His majesty truly. Because He is limitless and infinite and perfect in all of His ways-and because we are limited, finite, and lack the fullness of perfection that God possesses, even in our resurrected and glorious state, though sinless and brought to the fullness of perfect humanity (to the completion of what God willed), we will never be able to know God completely. But we will still be both satisfied and eternally seeking to discover Him more truly and fully.
When we speak about the Majesty of God, it encompasses many aspects of Who He is essentially.
It speaks to His awesome splendor, unconquerable authority, unsurpassing beauty, penultimate greatness, indominable power, absolute sovereignty, and His unchallengeable superiority. WOW! When we speak of God's glory, it is an umbrella term that encompasses all of these aspects of God's Being.
His majesty is what we praise of Him. It evokes us to worship Him. It causes unbelievers to fear Him. It moves people to revere Him. It motivates us to serve Him.
There is really so much to speak about concerning God's majesty. see pt. 2
Hello friend. I am in agreement with what Adam has just shared with you: that the mention of Mohd or even an allusion to him is nowhere found in this verse, or indeed anywhere in the Bible.
You appear to be someone who is interested in what the Bible has to say to us, even considering the rich heritage that both the descendants of Isaac & Ishmael share from the olden days. In your consideration of this prophetical Book of Isaiah, we need to remember that this book & indeed all the Bible Books are written in an historical & chronological manner. Unlike the Qur'an, where the writings are purportedly made from isolated revelations received over a period of time, the Books of the Bible were written by men moved by God's Spirit ( 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21), but were given in a systematic historical way. So when we take a verse or portion of the Bible to teach or defend a belief, then we must look at the whole - or else, our understanding will be skewed & we will be led into error.
Since you're looking at the prophecies in Isaiah, if you would care to begin at Isaiah 13:1 right through to Isaiah 23:18, and you will notice a series of denunciations by God against particular lands/nations. Through his prophet Isaiah, God denounces Babylon, Philistia, Moab, Damascus, Ethopia, Egypt, Babylon (again), Edom, Arabia (the part you're referring to), Jerusalem, & Tyre. So when you refer to Isaiah 21:13, the specific passage is from Isaiah 21:13-17, where God's Judgement is found in verse 16, that "within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail". Even though Kedar was a powerful Arabian tribe, the reference here are to all connected to her. All these suffered judgement under God's Hand.
But at the appointed time, God sent forth His Son Jesus, the One Who came to receive our judgement & punishment upon Himself (for our sins). Without Him we would all be condemned, but those who believed on Him would receive forgiveness ( John 1:11,12).
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2 Peter 2:20. They had the knowledge of the Lord and Savior; they were saved and had escaped the pollutions/sins of the world. Can we escape sin outside of Christ? They choose to go back to a life of habitual, intentional, and willful sin. And their punishment will be worse, Luke 12:47-48.
Galatians 6:9 This to me is obedience, It says unless we faint, to me that is to give up, quit, intentionally turn away, we reap life everlasting. Colossians 1:23 "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel". If we continue that is a choice, we must make that is not given that is our obedience.
Jude 1:21 We are to keep ourselves, the Holy Spirit helps us, but this is something we do and if we do, He will keep us from falling. 2 Peter 1:10 If we do, it is not done for us, we have been given but it is up to us to obey and do, if they have forgotten they had to know it to forget it. If We Do!!! we shall never fall. Hebrews 6:13-16 What Abraham did, in his faith, he waited for a long time he endured. He did not faint or grow weary or turn his back to God, the evidence of his faith, just like when he drew back the knife.
This is not about a Christian who is struggling and battling sin regardless of how long they struggle they are still in the race and if they repent and return in the light will be forgiven and in the grace of God. As David said restore unto me the joy of thy salvation, Psalms 51:12. We all are in a battle with our flesh and sin daily. We can lose the joy of salvation and if we come under repentance, we will still be in God's grace but without repentance, we will be cut off.
I am referring to the scriptures that warn those who were saved in the faith that intentionally choose, they knowingly live a sinful lifestyle. They call what is wrong right and sin is ok. They justify and condone sin, much of what we see today, people who were saved but now say sin is okay, I will not list things I'm sure you see it too, what used to be condemned is now ok and accepted, Isaiah 5:20. After we are justified if we do not abide in Jesus if we do not live a life of repentance and obedience, we will be outside of the grace of God.
When Jesus died on the cross, He paid for every sin that the human race will ever commit, from Adam's first sin until the last sin that will be committed. Our sins before we were born again were forgiven, 2 Peter 1:9. Our sins are not forgiven before we commit them, now or in the future. We all will sin but we do not become unsaved. If we confess, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us.
Our life we live is We will be forgiven, not we have been forgiven that is why we should not ignore the Spirit's loving work. Hey, don't do that, and if we slip up, we repent for our disobedience. To me that is a life of repentance and obedience, not works for salvation it is the evidence of our faith. A person can stop doing and lose, walk away, or forfeit, their gift of salvation.
1 Timothy 4:1 Some shall depart from the faith, these are Christians, and you have to be a part of it to depart from it. The process of salvation will not be complete until the return of Jesus and we are resurrected and glorified in our immortal bodies.
Thank you, brother, for this discussion may we grow in faith and understanding.
(According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness,) through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
(Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.)
Paul lists what's added in 2 Peter 1:5-7. "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge.
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness.
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
Verse 8!
"FOR IF THESE THINGS BE IN YOU", and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The contrary to "these things being in you" is seen in is verse 9.
BUT HE THAT LACKETH THESE THINGS IS BLIND, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
In verse 10 Paul is telling us to "give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
He is saying if according to Christ divine power hath he given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, and whereby we are given exceeding great and precious promises and by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. " Make your calling and election sure: for "IF YOU ARE DOING THESE THINGS", ye shall never fall.
Hebrews 6:13-16.
When God performed this covenant with Abraham, he put Abraham to sleep. IT WAS UNCONDITIONAL!
Genesis 15:1-12.
Matthew 24:13.
This is to take place during the great tribulation period.
However, I'm not going to get into that on this thread.
This is how I interpret those verses, perhaps some can help and improve on this.
God is giving. He gives of Himself within the Godhead in relationship with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They give each other love, and, and harmony, and glory in an eternal way. He gives to creation life and beauty and provision for physical needs, and salvation from sin for those elected. He promised to give good gifts to His children when they ask. Luke 11:13.
He gives us all we need for life and godliness: 2 Peter 1:3
"According as His divine power hath given unto all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him (Jesus) who hath called us to glory and virtue."
God even gives to the unbelievers and the believers alike, making the sun to shine on both, giving rain in season, causing crops to grow for a harvest.
So I think it is good to be content in all things, because all good things comes from His hands. We also should cultivate gratitude to Him for all we receive each day from Him. I try to do this more and more. He deserves our gratitude and for us to have thankful hearts before Him.
This we must do for the rest of our lives, to live in repentance and obedience walking in the Spirit, not in this world. We must include these scriptures that show during our life and be sanctified one can fail, fall away whatever we want to call it, Heb. 3:12-131 John 1:72 Peter 2:20 we are told to keep ourselves Jude 21 If we hold fast the confidence, Heb. 3:6 If we faint not, Gal. 6:9 If ye continue in the faith, Col. 1:23 If ye do these things, 2 Peter 1:10, Paul said this about himself 1 Cor. 9:25-27.
Do we err when we say I was saved on whatever date when we should say my salvation started and I was justified made righteous, and I am now walking in the Spirit of God looking for the day I will be glorified when My Savior Jesus Christ returns and I will be like Him and as long as I breathe I will continue to walk in the Spirit of God as I am sanctified to be made perfect as My Lord Jesus is perfect? We must, every day be obedient and ask for forgiveness and guidance to keep going for the goal.
When are we saved is it when we accept Jesus as our Savior, if then do we overlook we must endure until the end. We must have the earnest/downpayment of the Spirit 2 Cor. 5:5, a downpayment for the final purchase when Jesus returns to claim His elect. We must know and realize that for whom the downpayment has been placed it must be intact when Jesus returns. We must endure until the end. Matt. 10:22Matt. 24:13John 6:27 As Abraham Heb. 6:13-16James 1:12
I wish I could explain this better; I feel I have come up short, but I feel those who believe when walking down the aisle and confess they believe in Jesus they have a nonrefundable ticket to eternity, that is wrong.
Thank you, I did use 1 Cor. 9:25-27 there are many other scriptures on this but I try to keep my posts as short as I can. I agree the longer we walk in the Spirit the stronger our faith becomes. Our repentance and our obedience keep us in a relationship through the Spirit of God with Jesus and through this faith given to us by God it becomes easier to say no to the temptations that come against us.
Our obedience and our conscience reveal who we are servants to, and we must stay obedient unto righteousness, Rom. 6:16. Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, and as you said only sin separates us from God that is why if we fail to stay repentant and obedient, we fall out of His mercy and grace and our sins will no longer be covered and if we do not repent and return, we will perish and pay the penalty. My understanding is that is our choice, many are called few are chosen, Matt. 22:14.
If someone wants to do a word study that will be worth the time it would be on the little word if. If is a little word but is important, it expresses directly to our responsibility to God. If we hold fast the confidence, Heb. 3:6 If we faint not, Gal. 6:9 If ye continue in the faith, Col. 1:23 If ye do these things, 2 Peter 1:10 If we say that we have no sin, 1 John 1:8, many many more.
( 2 Pet 1:5-10) These verses are (clearly) prophecy written for us today. The first verse says ( 2 Pet 1:1) "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, TO THEM THAT HAVE OBTAINED LIKE PRECIOUS FAITH with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ"
This is prophecy for us today! End quote.
I believe to "those that have obtained" is present tense. ( local.)
Quoting you again.
2 Pet 1:15
"Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease (to have these things always in remembrance)
TO HAVE THESE THINGS ALWAYS! This is prophecy for us today. End quote.
I see this as Peter is writing "to them that have obtained" (In that day) When Peter die he is telling them not to forget what he told them in the previous verses.
"be partakers of the divine nature ect...
Let's look at 2 Peter 1:18
"And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount."
THEY WERE EYE WHITNESSES!
But yet Peter says "We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
PETER IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IN HIS POSSESSION! And what energized those prophets who wrote the prophecies. THE HOLYSPIRIT. Not the will of man with his private interpretation.
( Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came NOT IN OLD TIME by the will of man: but holy men of God spake AS THEY were moved by the Holy Ghost.)
2 Peter 1:20-21.
"Not in old time" puts the time that the group (THEY) in the OT.
That's all I have Jimbob.
I believe you and Brother Chris have covered a great length on this and he's more adequate to debate you on this topic than I am.
Without reading all of what you and Chris discussed, I've looked over what you have given me.
I believe the hang up is a portion of verse 15 you singled out. ( TO HAVE THESE THINGS ALWAYS IN REMEMBRANCE)
So I tracked backwards to see what " These things" are, that Peter is talking about. Start at verse 13.
Here's how that went.
2 Peter 1:13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in REMEMBRANCE;
2 Peter 1:12Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in REMEMBRANCE OF THESE THINGS,
2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do THESE THINGS, ye shall never fall:
2 Peter 1:9. But he that lacketh THESE THINGS....
2 Peter 1:8. For if THESE THINGS be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
If we keep on backtracking we come to what these things are in verses five through verse seven. I will highlight them with caps.
2 Peter 1:5-7.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith VIRTUE; and to virtue KNOWLEDGE;
And to knowledge TEMPERANCE; and to temperance PATIENCE; and to patience GODLINESS;
And to godliness BROTHERLY KINDNESS; and to brotherly kindness CHARITY.
(For if THESE THINGS be in you), and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jimbob I'm not sure if I grasp you but it seems Peter is talking about what accompanies salvation.
God has given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: that by these we might be partakers of the divine nature,
verses 3 and 4.
This doesn't seem to be talking about any writings unless I am missing your point.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. I also believe this clearly refers to the OT prophets & writers that were inspired & moved by God's Spirit to pen these holy words.
The example you have given in these two Scriptures: Genesis 24:16 and Isaiah 7:14
. "Virgin" is in both references as given by the KJB translators, yet in Hebrew the words are different: the first one is 'bethulah' & the other 'almah'. Why did the translators not give different English words for each of those verses, but just used 'virgin'?
And also, Giannis explanation; "The Hbr should be translated as " young woman", not "virgin", that is why there is a difference from Genesis 24:16. This is how it is always written in the Hebrew Bibles (Tanakh).
I have the word in the Hebrew as 'almah'. (but dogmatic). meaning "Virgin. As Giannis said, Matthew follows the Septuagint text of the Old Testament, and in the Septuagint, it is written "the virgin."
Some has used this "SO CALLED DISCREPENCY" to attack the virgin birth and a person like me wouldn't know how to defend it being that I don't know Hebrew or Greek outside of helps and research.
So, that causes me to leave off the translations drama and go to the prophet and prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 and giving thought to what 2 Peter 1:21 is saying and its meaning.
In Isaiah 7:11 the Lord prompts Ahaz to "Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
Vs 13 God draws the attention to the house of David.
Vs 14 God gives them a sign. "Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son.
This wouldn't be much of a sign if it was a mere young woman. However, it draws one's attention if it is a virgin being mentioned.
God's truth can be found even if the translation or our ability to translate is imperfect.
Just referring to a couple of your points Jimbob. 2 Peter 1:20. When Peter declared this Truth to his readers, the prophecies 'of old' were written within the Torah, the Prophets, & the Writings. These prophecies were available to all, though with high illiteracy levels, it's likely that the Scriptures were read, understood & explained to the common man mostly by students of the Word.
So what Peter is stating in this verse, is that the prophecies of old, which no doubt included the aspects of Jesus' coming & Sacrifice, were true revelations from God to His appointed. These revelations were not of private interpretation (Gk. unloosing, unpacking): they weren't written as from man's understanding of them nor from man's determination, but by the 'moving of the Holy Spirit upon them'.
So the point in these verses is not of "how many could have read those words compared to those being read today in the KJB", but from where did those words find their source, their inspiration & their validity to those then & now. Nothing at all pointing to the KJB in these verses or any of the verses you've cited now & previously as supposedly referring to the KJB as one having "pure words...purified seven times". Onto Page 2.
It would be interesting Jimbob, to learn how many Bible-reading, Bible-believing Christians actually understand 2 Peter 1:19-21 as you do. Not speaking for others, & having addressed this point with you before, I reiterate that the "holy men of God" clearly refers to the OT prophets & writers that were inspired & moved by God's Spirit to pen these holy words. Nothing at all to do with the KJB translators or any translation work, simply because of context of the passage & the timeline (i.e. between the first recording & then the translation work into other languages).
This important understanding shows us, that when even a slight deviation from the meaning of the text is taken, we can then justify many other things. No doubt the KJB translators were greatly helped by the Spirit & these men were diligent in their business, but there has to be differences in, say the English versions, to the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek texts. When texts are modified, omitted, or added to, then there are a number of reasons for that, chiefly that the 'older' manuscripts were being used in translation & not the more reliable later Textus Receptus (from which we get our KJB & some others). GBU.
John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 Peter 1:20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Acts 26:18. To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them, which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
The Bible declares of itself in the King James translation:
2 Peter 1:20-21 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."
We also read in Jeremiah 36:1-4
"And it came to pass in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that this word came unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day. It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin. Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book."
In other words, these men were set apart by God and used of God to speak and write the very words that God wanted them to speak and write, so that (in the original manuscripts written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek) every word and every letter of every word came straight from the mouth of God. Those men were "moved" by God the Holy Spirit to speak that which God wanted mankind to know.
Continued in part 2
Brother, what you do is appreciated, you inspire study. I hope you do not mind this is my understanding, you say Jesus is not sitting on the right of God on His throne, that is an idiom, this means it is saying this is the person that has authority and power, and I agree but was given authority and power, but not with we will not see Jesus, Revelation 21:22. If we also read Ephesians 1:17-23 along with Acts 5:31 it says God exalted Jesus, exalted, the Greek word hupsoo means to lift or raise up, to exalt, raise high.
Ephesians 1:20-21, God raised Jesus and set Him; the Greek word kathizo means make to sit; I set, appoint a physical position of the power of the throne, that is God's divine power and authority over all of creation. After Jesus was raised from the dead, Psalm 8:6 Philippians 2:9-10. This will be until all enemies are under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. The throne can also mean sharing in honor and glory by overcoming as we see in Revelation 3:21.
Jesus has been given this position, we know God placed Jesus above all in heaven and earth and under the earth Ephesians 1:19-21. Jesus was raised in a glorified body, and we will be raised in a body as His, Philippians 3:21. Jesus ascended and is in heaven in that glorified body, Acts 1:10 and when He returns it will be in that same glorified body, Revelation 19.
The other words that throw light on this are Matthew 28:18 and John 13:3, given the Greek word didomi which means to give, to give something to someone, to bestow a gift, to appoint to an office, to supply, furnish necessary things. Something given to you that you did not have before it was given like salvation and eternal life is given, godliness, 2 Peter 1:3-8.
We also have Matthew 11:27 "All things are delivered unto me of my Father" delivered the Greek word paradidomi a close word to didomi properly to give, hand over, to deliver over with a sense of close personal involvement.
Thank you and God bless,
RLW
John saw: Revelation 15:1-8:
1-And I saw another sign in heaven,great and marvellous,7 angels having the 7 last PLAGUES;for in THEM is filled up the WRATH of GOD->(Re.11:18&16:1)
4-Who shall not fear thee,O Lord,and glorify thy name?thou only art holy: ...and thy Judgments are made manifest.
Then the PLAGUES start to be poured, its in the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week: Revelation 16:2: The FIRST PLAGUE will be poured upon the earth; upon the inhabitants of Israel, and there will fall a noisome and grievous sore upon all MEN which have the MARK of the Beast, and upon them which worshipp his image.
And the 2nd plague will be poured upon the sea;-->sea= waters=> peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of every tongue, GENTILE PEOPLES, and they will become as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul(that was created, Genesis 2:7) shall die.-->As was in Sodom and Gomorrah, and in the neighbouring cities.
The sequence of the pragues and their consequences are described from Revelation 16:4 to 21.Terrible,very terrible, as we can foreseen by the Word of GOD.JESUS warned us: Luke 21:25-28:-->25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars( Revelation 12:1-12, take a look.); and upon the Earth distress of NATIONS, with perplexity;the sea(peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of all tongues)and the waves roaring( Psalm 2:1-5);
26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven ( Ephesians 1:3-8) shall be shaken.
27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.(the same cloud that received JESUS in His ascension- Acts 1:9-11,combined with Matthew 17:5,and 2 Peter 1:16-12,and Isaiah 4:1-6 speaking of the seven Churches as a clue to understand the prophecies).
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Get ready
Also, my stating to others that you don't believe in the inspiration of the KJB is what, I honestly believed you believed. I said nothing about whether you believe the original writings were inspired because we weren't talking about those, besides our postings are public, people have been reading what you have said. Something else, yes 2 Peter 1:21 is printed in modern versions of their books but it is just a copy of the KJB, after all they couldn't write a whole new and different book but they did use manuscripts, other then the KJB which left out 64,000 words from the KJB and 3400 changes in doctrine, etc. in the NIV, again the modern version that started the translation and publishing of more modern versions. The MEBs are not written by God but by uninspired men, the KJB was inspired. That is our discussion from the beginning until now. I thought I had answered all your questions. I apologize for not doing that.
I want to find and read your posts on Matthew but I don't know how to find them, please tell me how. I hope you will read my history of the KJB. which I will post soon. God Bless :)
The reason I sent you my postings on the NIV is because you had questioned the idea, put forth by the authors of the modern version of the bible, that they were only written in an up-to-date English version to be easier to read and understand, that that was their only purpose. The NIV was the first of these according to Biblicacom and they claimed quite openly that they were writing this version that was suppose to be true to the translation of the KJB, in contemporary English. I don't know why they used different manuscript's. I can't find a reason and I think people either support this or don't care, if they even know. These authors never mention being led by the Holy Ghost. The men who wrote the KJB did: "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21 This says it about as plain as you can say it, of course, it can't be true if men only wrote it, so it must be made up and if so, what else in this book is made up and is not believable? As far as I know, this is the only bible translation that used the original writings that were canonized and written by the Holy Ghost, so I say 2 Peter 1:21 is absolutely true and therefore the KJB is the only one that can be trusted. All the rest were written by men and should not be trusted. I would like you to know that my faith is in the Holy Ghost inspired KJB. God Bless :)
Let me ask you this, if I may.
How do you determine which verses in the Bible are truly the Word of God?
Do the words of Jesus recorded for us in the Bible have more authority than other parts of the Bible that are not direct quotes of God Himself?
What is God teaching in 2 Peter 1:21 and 2 Timothy 3:16?
This is going to be a bit repetitive but repition can be a very good thing, I think.
When considering any question from scripture, we MUST approach it from the vantage point that Christ, God Himself, is the author of the ENTIRE Bible. And, in the original languages, every word in the Bible is from the very mind and mouth of Christ Himelf.
No one would argue, I hope, that the words of Jesus recorded for us in the Bible that He spoke while on earth are indeed from the very mind and mouth of Christ Himself. Or that when we read "thus saith the LORD", that the words associated with that phrase are indeed from the very mind amd mouth of God Himself.
But what about every word that Luke or Paul or Jeremiah or Amos wrote, or any other word that the human scribes wrote in the Bible? Are they from the very mind and mouth of God Himself and carry exactly the same authority and weight as any word declared to have been spoken by Christ Himself, God Himself?
Indeed they do! "For the prophrcy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21 and "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16.
So therefore we must compare scripture with scripture, throughout the ENTIRE Bible, with the mind set that every word, every verse, every chapter in the ENTIRE Bible is from the mind and mouth of God Himself, if we hope to come to truth about any doctrine or practice that we claim to be from the Bible. Any thing less will lead us further away from truth.
1) The distraction of the events thus far of what was already most of Jesus' earthly ministry would make the Disciples complacent in thinking this would go on for many more years.
2) The main goal and focus was on His sacrifice for the sins of man to be accomplished on Calvary. Only at that point could men be able to enter heaven immediately upon death; whereas before they would have to be in Sheol (in the pleasant side).
3). In His departure; they would be the ones to continue to carry out the ministry through leadership after the Spirit came down at Pentecost and changed them. They would have to be stripped of all their confidence and all die a martyrs death exept for John. None of them would be ready when Jesus was arrested as they all ran away along with Peter. Only the Lord would get them through that.
In all honesty it is hard here just as it is contemplating what He said in Gethsemane as to the weakness of their flesh and their falling asleep due again to sorrow. God assures us that every tear is known ( Psalm 56:8). No doubt in eternity there will be reward for suffering in faith; we have consolation in what the world can't have. We have to believe that even in our own martryrdom if it comes to that or natural death is to glorify Christ and there are rewards for martyrs ( James 1:12). Paul also was given a reaction of great sorrow when he announced his imprisonment ( Acts 21:10-14). It would appear his death came at a much later date but Paul always focused on ministry and looked forward to being with the Lord; no wonder after the brutality he had to endure on and off for years in various imprisonments beforehand. He knew when his departure was near ( 2 Tim. 4) and Peter as well ( 2 Peter 1:12
There is no need to apologize you have not stirred up anything, I agree with you on 2 Peter 1:20-21 Scripture, the word of God is not the author's or prophet's interpretation or understanding of what God relayed to them through the Holy Spirit. Every word in Scripture is from God, not man, and can be cherished and trusted.
My understanding of a discussion is two or more people in respect and love share their understanding of a subject. If someone asks a question, they are asking for the understanding of the subject of someone else to reach a decision or to exchange understandings asked of the person.
Truth is only given to us through the Spirit of Truth that Jesus sends to us from the Father, which proceedeth from the Father, John 15:26. You may see the earth was destroyed by the sin of Satan between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2, my understanding that produces two beginnings of the earth and the universe as Scripture tells us in Genesis 1. God has no beginning, the angels had a beginning, and the angels saw and shouted for joy at the beginning of this earth and universe Job 38. We may not agree on some points but that is ok.
God bless you, brother, be well.
RLW
That's what James 2:18 is saying.
We aa Christians should examine ourselves, "Not by what we do or by what we don't do or what we know, But by Who we have! Christ!
I'd we have Christ Spirit the inside of our vessels will be cleansed.
Then we can wash one another feet.
( Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:4-8.
God bless.
2 Peter 1:20 No PROPHECY of the scripture is (in and of itself it's) OWN private interpretation.
2 Corinthians 13:1 ...in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established .....
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, ye shall surely not DIE:
Genesis 3:5 FOR GOD DOTH KNOW that in the day you thereof, then your EYES SHALL BE OPENED, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD and EVIL.
This is ALL PROPHECY.
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God SAID, Behold, the man HAS BECOME AS ONE OF US, to KNOW good and evil.....
The FRUIT was KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, the KNOWLEDGE of gods.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not WRITTEN in your LAW, ye are gods
John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the WORD the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.
Psalms 82:6
Deuteronomy 10:17 your God is a God of gods, and Lord of Lords ....
Psalms 136:6 Give thanks unto the God of gods, for his mercy endureth for ever.
Now, Eve was a prophecy of the coming bride of Christ by HIS RESURRECTION, and what happened she was resurrected with her husband to never DIE.
The gift of God is eternal life.
God can even use Satan to speak prophecy, what did Satan say, Ye shall never DIE.
Luke 20:36 Neither can THEY DIE ANYMORE, Adam (Christ) took of the fruit and did eat with his wife and Christ and his wife (creation) DIED, and the spirit of the Father RAISED them as ONE FLESH), for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN of the RESURRECTION.
Philippians 2:5 Let this MIND BE IN YOU, which also was in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, though it not robbery to be equal with God.
God Bless YOU!
"MAJESTIC"
"O, LORD, our LORD, how excellent (majestic) is Your name in all the earth." Ps. 8:1,9
"For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses to His majesty." 2 Peter 1:16-17
God dwells in inaccessible light ( 1 Tim. 6:16). So how can we know Him or describe what He is. We cannot do so perfectly because there are aspects of God that we may never be able to know, understand, or comprehend. There will eternally be some things God will not reveal about Himself to us because of His transcendent nature. He is above and beyond, distinct and separate from His creation. He is more infinitely more unlike humans than He is similar. This is one aspect of His majesty, and one that is so very hard for us to find words to express His majesty truly. Because He is limitless and infinite and perfect in all of His ways-and because we are limited, finite, and lack the fullness of perfection that God possesses, even in our resurrected and glorious state, though sinless and brought to the fullness of perfect humanity (to the completion of what God willed), we will never be able to know God completely. But we will still be both satisfied and eternally seeking to discover Him more truly and fully.
When we speak about the Majesty of God, it encompasses many aspects of Who He is essentially.
It speaks to His awesome splendor, unconquerable authority, unsurpassing beauty, penultimate greatness, indominable power, absolute sovereignty, and His unchallengeable superiority. WOW! When we speak of God's glory, it is an umbrella term that encompasses all of these aspects of God's Being.
His majesty is what we praise of Him. It evokes us to worship Him. It causes unbelievers to fear Him. It moves people to revere Him. It motivates us to serve Him.
There is really so much to speak about concerning God's majesty. see pt. 2
You appear to be someone who is interested in what the Bible has to say to us, even considering the rich heritage that both the descendants of Isaac & Ishmael share from the olden days. In your consideration of this prophetical Book of Isaiah, we need to remember that this book & indeed all the Bible Books are written in an historical & chronological manner. Unlike the Qur'an, where the writings are purportedly made from isolated revelations received over a period of time, the Books of the Bible were written by men moved by God's Spirit ( 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21), but were given in a systematic historical way. So when we take a verse or portion of the Bible to teach or defend a belief, then we must look at the whole - or else, our understanding will be skewed & we will be led into error.
Since you're looking at the prophecies in Isaiah, if you would care to begin at Isaiah 13:1 right through to Isaiah 23:18, and you will notice a series of denunciations by God against particular lands/nations. Through his prophet Isaiah, God denounces Babylon, Philistia, Moab, Damascus, Ethopia, Egypt, Babylon (again), Edom, Arabia (the part you're referring to), Jerusalem, & Tyre. So when you refer to Isaiah 21:13, the specific passage is from Isaiah 21:13-17, where God's Judgement is found in verse 16, that "within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail". Even though Kedar was a powerful Arabian tribe, the reference here are to all connected to her. All these suffered judgement under God's Hand.
But at the appointed time, God sent forth His Son Jesus, the One Who came to receive our judgement & punishment upon Himself (for our sins). Without Him we would all be condemned, but those who believed on Him would receive forgiveness ( John 1:11,12).
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Part four,
2 Peter 2:20. They had the knowledge of the Lord and Savior; they were saved and had escaped the pollutions/sins of the world. Can we escape sin outside of Christ? They choose to go back to a life of habitual, intentional, and willful sin. And their punishment will be worse, Luke 12:47-48.
Galatians 6:9 This to me is obedience, It says unless we faint, to me that is to give up, quit, intentionally turn away, we reap life everlasting. Colossians 1:23 "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel". If we continue that is a choice, we must make that is not given that is our obedience.
Jude 1:21 We are to keep ourselves, the Holy Spirit helps us, but this is something we do and if we do, He will keep us from falling. 2 Peter 1:10 If we do, it is not done for us, we have been given but it is up to us to obey and do, if they have forgotten they had to know it to forget it. If We Do!!! we shall never fall. Hebrews 6:13-16 What Abraham did, in his faith, he waited for a long time he endured. He did not faint or grow weary or turn his back to God, the evidence of his faith, just like when he drew back the knife.
This is not about a Christian who is struggling and battling sin regardless of how long they struggle they are still in the race and if they repent and return in the light will be forgiven and in the grace of God. As David said restore unto me the joy of thy salvation, Psalms 51:12. We all are in a battle with our flesh and sin daily. We can lose the joy of salvation and if we come under repentance, we will still be in God's grace but without repentance, we will be cut off.
See part 5.
Part 5
I am referring to the scriptures that warn those who were saved in the faith that intentionally choose, they knowingly live a sinful lifestyle. They call what is wrong right and sin is ok. They justify and condone sin, much of what we see today, people who were saved but now say sin is okay, I will not list things I'm sure you see it too, what used to be condemned is now ok and accepted, Isaiah 5:20. After we are justified if we do not abide in Jesus if we do not live a life of repentance and obedience, we will be outside of the grace of God.
When Jesus died on the cross, He paid for every sin that the human race will ever commit, from Adam's first sin until the last sin that will be committed. Our sins before we were born again were forgiven, 2 Peter 1:9. Our sins are not forgiven before we commit them, now or in the future. We all will sin but we do not become unsaved. If we confess, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us.
Our life we live is We will be forgiven, not we have been forgiven that is why we should not ignore the Spirit's loving work. Hey, don't do that, and if we slip up, we repent for our disobedience. To me that is a life of repentance and obedience, not works for salvation it is the evidence of our faith. A person can stop doing and lose, walk away, or forfeit, their gift of salvation.
1 Timothy 4:1 Some shall depart from the faith, these are Christians, and you have to be a part of it to depart from it. The process of salvation will not be complete until the return of Jesus and we are resurrected and glorified in our immortal bodies.
Thank you, brother, for this discussion may we grow in faith and understanding.
God bless,
RLW
Part 7.
2 Peter 1:10.
Let's take this from verses 3-4.
(According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness,) through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
(Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.)
Paul lists what's added in 2 Peter 1:5-7. "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge.
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness.
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
Verse 8!
"FOR IF THESE THINGS BE IN YOU", and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The contrary to "these things being in you" is seen in is verse 9.
BUT HE THAT LACKETH THESE THINGS IS BLIND, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
In verse 10 Paul is telling us to "give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
He is saying if according to Christ divine power hath he given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, and whereby we are given exceeding great and precious promises and by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. " Make your calling and election sure: for "IF YOU ARE DOING THESE THINGS", ye shall never fall.
Hebrews 6:13-16.
When God performed this covenant with Abraham, he put Abraham to sleep. IT WAS UNCONDITIONAL!
Genesis 15:1-12.
Matthew 24:13.
This is to take place during the great tribulation period.
However, I'm not going to get into that on this thread.
This is how I interpret those verses, perhaps some can help and improve on this.
God bless you brother.
Another "B" attribute that comes to my mind is:
BENEVOLENT
God is giving. He gives of Himself within the Godhead in relationship with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They give each other love, and, and harmony, and glory in an eternal way. He gives to creation life and beauty and provision for physical needs, and salvation from sin for those elected. He promised to give good gifts to His children when they ask. Luke 11:13.
He gives us all we need for life and godliness: 2 Peter 1:3
"According as His divine power hath given unto all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him (Jesus) who hath called us to glory and virtue."
God even gives to the unbelievers and the believers alike, making the sun to shine on both, giving rain in season, causing crops to grow for a harvest.
So I think it is good to be content in all things, because all good things comes from His hands. We also should cultivate gratitude to Him for all we receive each day from Him. I try to do this more and more. He deserves our gratitude and for us to have thankful hearts before Him.
Christ is TRUTH
If you don't believe that the OLD TIME ( 2 Peter 1:21) is speaking of the Old Testament prophets then Luke 24:45 is FOR YOU, not me..
God Bless you, as the spirit of truth (Holy Ghost) destroyers you carnal mind.
2 peter 1:21 for the prophecy came not in the old (testament) time by the will of man; but holy men of god spake as they were moved by the holy ghost.
god bless you!
Part 2
This we must do for the rest of our lives, to live in repentance and obedience walking in the Spirit, not in this world. We must include these scriptures that show during our life and be sanctified one can fail, fall away whatever we want to call it, Heb. 3:12-13 1 John 1:7 2 Peter 2:20 we are told to keep ourselves Jude 21 If we hold fast the confidence, Heb. 3:6 If we faint not, Gal. 6:9 If ye continue in the faith, Col. 1:23 If ye do these things, 2 Peter 1:10, Paul said this about himself 1 Cor. 9:25-27.
Do we err when we say I was saved on whatever date when we should say my salvation started and I was justified made righteous, and I am now walking in the Spirit of God looking for the day I will be glorified when My Savior Jesus Christ returns and I will be like Him and as long as I breathe I will continue to walk in the Spirit of God as I am sanctified to be made perfect as My Lord Jesus is perfect? We must, every day be obedient and ask for forgiveness and guidance to keep going for the goal.
When are we saved is it when we accept Jesus as our Savior, if then do we overlook we must endure until the end. We must have the earnest/downpayment of the Spirit 2 Cor. 5:5, a downpayment for the final purchase when Jesus returns to claim His elect. We must know and realize that for whom the downpayment has been placed it must be intact when Jesus returns. We must endure until the end. Matt. 10:22 Matt. 24:13 John 6:27 As Abraham Heb. 6:13-16 James 1:12
I wish I could explain this better; I feel I have come up short, but I feel those who believe when walking down the aisle and confess they believe in Jesus they have a nonrefundable ticket to eternity, that is wrong.
God bless,
RLW
Thank you, I did use 1 Cor. 9:25-27 there are many other scriptures on this but I try to keep my posts as short as I can. I agree the longer we walk in the Spirit the stronger our faith becomes. Our repentance and our obedience keep us in a relationship through the Spirit of God with Jesus and through this faith given to us by God it becomes easier to say no to the temptations that come against us.
Our obedience and our conscience reveal who we are servants to, and we must stay obedient unto righteousness, Rom. 6:16. Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, and as you said only sin separates us from God that is why if we fail to stay repentant and obedient, we fall out of His mercy and grace and our sins will no longer be covered and if we do not repent and return, we will perish and pay the penalty. My understanding is that is our choice, many are called few are chosen, Matt. 22:14.
If someone wants to do a word study that will be worth the time it would be on the little word if. If is a little word but is important, it expresses directly to our responsibility to God. If we hold fast the confidence, Heb. 3:6 If we faint not, Gal. 6:9 If ye continue in the faith, Col. 1:23 If ye do these things, 2 Peter 1:10 If we say that we have no sin, 1 John 1:8, many many more.
God bless,
RLW
You said.
( 2 Pet 1:5-10) These verses are (clearly) prophecy written for us today. The first verse says ( 2 Pet 1:1) "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, TO THEM THAT HAVE OBTAINED LIKE PRECIOUS FAITH with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ"
This is prophecy for us today! End quote.
I believe to "those that have obtained" is present tense. ( local.)
Quoting you again.
2 Pet 1:15
"Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease (to have these things always in remembrance)
TO HAVE THESE THINGS ALWAYS! This is prophecy for us today. End quote.
I see this as Peter is writing "to them that have obtained" (In that day) When Peter die he is telling them not to forget what he told them in the previous verses.
"be partakers of the divine nature ect...
Let's look at 2 Peter 1:18
"And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount."
THEY WERE EYE WHITNESSES!
But yet Peter says "We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
PETER IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IN HIS POSSESSION! And what energized those prophets who wrote the prophecies. THE HOLYSPIRIT. Not the will of man with his private interpretation.
( Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came NOT IN OLD TIME by the will of man: but holy men of God spake AS THEY were moved by the Holy Ghost.)
2 Peter 1:20-21.
"Not in old time" puts the time that the group (THEY) in the OT.
That's all I have Jimbob.
I believe you and Brother Chris have covered a great length on this and he's more adequate to debate you on this topic than I am.
So I end it here.
God bless.
Without reading all of what you and Chris discussed, I've looked over what you have given me.
I believe the hang up is a portion of verse 15 you singled out. ( TO HAVE THESE THINGS ALWAYS IN REMEMBRANCE)
So I tracked backwards to see what " These things" are, that Peter is talking about. Start at verse 13.
Here's how that went.
2 Peter 1:13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in REMEMBRANCE;
2 Peter 1:12Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in REMEMBRANCE OF THESE THINGS,
2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do THESE THINGS, ye shall never fall:
2 Peter 1:9. But he that lacketh THESE THINGS....
2 Peter 1:8. For if THESE THINGS be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
If we keep on backtracking we come to what these things are in verses five through verse seven. I will highlight them with caps.
2 Peter 1:5-7.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith VIRTUE; and to virtue KNOWLEDGE;
And to knowledge TEMPERANCE; and to temperance PATIENCE; and to patience GODLINESS;
And to godliness BROTHERLY KINDNESS; and to brotherly kindness CHARITY.
(For if THESE THINGS be in you), and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jimbob I'm not sure if I grasp you but it seems Peter is talking about what accompanies salvation.
God has given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: that by these we might be partakers of the divine nature,
verses 3 and 4.
This doesn't seem to be talking about any writings unless I am missing your point.
God bless.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. I also believe this clearly refers to the OT prophets & writers that were inspired & moved by God's Spirit to pen these holy words.
The example you have given in these two Scriptures: Genesis 24:16 and Isaiah 7:14
. "Virgin" is in both references as given by the KJB translators, yet in Hebrew the words are different: the first one is 'bethulah' & the other 'almah'. Why did the translators not give different English words for each of those verses, but just used 'virgin'?
And also, Giannis explanation; "The Hbr should be translated as " young woman", not "virgin", that is why there is a difference from Genesis 24:16. This is how it is always written in the Hebrew Bibles (Tanakh).
I have the word in the Hebrew as 'almah'. (but dogmatic). meaning "Virgin. As Giannis said, Matthew follows the Septuagint text of the Old Testament, and in the Septuagint, it is written "the virgin."
Some has used this "SO CALLED DISCREPENCY" to attack the virgin birth and a person like me wouldn't know how to defend it being that I don't know Hebrew or Greek outside of helps and research.
So, that causes me to leave off the translations drama and go to the prophet and prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 and giving thought to what 2 Peter 1:21 is saying and its meaning.
In Isaiah 7:11 the Lord prompts Ahaz to "Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
Vs 13 God draws the attention to the house of David.
Vs 14 God gives them a sign. "Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son.
This wouldn't be much of a sign if it was a mere young woman. However, it draws one's attention if it is a virgin being mentioned.
God's truth can be found even if the translation or our ability to translate is imperfect.
God bless
Just referring to a couple of your points Jimbob. 2 Peter 1:20. When Peter declared this Truth to his readers, the prophecies 'of old' were written within the Torah, the Prophets, & the Writings. These prophecies were available to all, though with high illiteracy levels, it's likely that the Scriptures were read, understood & explained to the common man mostly by students of the Word.
So what Peter is stating in this verse, is that the prophecies of old, which no doubt included the aspects of Jesus' coming & Sacrifice, were true revelations from God to His appointed. These revelations were not of private interpretation (Gk. unloosing, unpacking): they weren't written as from man's understanding of them nor from man's determination, but by the 'moving of the Holy Spirit upon them'.
So the point in these verses is not of "how many could have read those words compared to those being read today in the KJB", but from where did those words find their source, their inspiration & their validity to those then & now. Nothing at all pointing to the KJB in these verses or any of the verses you've cited now & previously as supposedly referring to the KJB as one having "pure words...purified seven times". Onto Page 2.
This important understanding shows us, that when even a slight deviation from the meaning of the text is taken, we can then justify many other things. No doubt the KJB translators were greatly helped by the Spirit & these men were diligent in their business, but there has to be differences in, say the English versions, to the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek texts. When texts are modified, omitted, or added to, then there are a number of reasons for that, chiefly that the 'older' manuscripts were being used in translation & not the more reliable later Textus Receptus (from which we get our KJB & some others). GBU.
2 Peter 1:20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Acts 26:18. To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them, which are sanctified by faith that is in me.