1 Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Two things: I do not allow a woman to teach. There's one. It doesn't say anything about men. Nor, to usurp authority over the man, which is why they shouldn't teach. The term usurp authority over the man, usurp authority is the word authenticate. It means that the woman is not to take the authenticity of man, what the male was created to do.
In the church, God has raised up the men to do the praying and the doctrinal teaching. We find out in Titus that the women are to take the younger women and teach them how to keep their home and love their husband and raise their children. A woman is not to teach, nor to take the authenticity of man, don't take over for him, but to be in silence. That's just what he said. They are to learn in silence.
1 Timothy 3:1 - This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
Paul starts out by saying this is a true saying, and the word true is the word faithful. This is a faithful saying. Paul uses that phrase several times in his letters. The reason he does is because they had no New Testament in those times. Whenever they talked about the scriptures, it was always the Old Testament, or the Tanak, the Hebrew scripture.
Here is something I would like to share before going through this chapter. In Verses 1 through 7, we have the instruction concerning overseers. The King James text uses the word bishop. And the word is EPISKOPOS, where we get our word Episcopalian from. EPI is over, and SKOPOS is to scope (to see). So, he's an EPI-over SKOPOS-seer. He's an overseer.
In Acts Chapter 20, the overseer is also interchangeable with elder and with pastor. The overseer is the head officer in the church. And that's what he is responsible for. He is responsible for the overseeing of the church, to make sure it functions in the order that God has it in.
Well, he's talking to women to become sober in your thinking. Think the way God thinks. See it the way God sees it. If not, then your mind is being influenced by some kind of "mental alcohol" that comes from the world.
Then he says not with broided, or braided hair. Now here's where the legalists get into this. Sometimes you'll see groups that are different from other religious groups because they follow this. This has to do with that in those times, the women would braid their hair and then wrap it up into what used to be called a "beehive," and then they would weave jewelry in and out of it. And then they would go to church. Now, do you think you would notice them?
But you see, that's the whole point here. With braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly garments. But be presentable in that which becomes women who profess godliness that they belong to God, through good works. The word good is spiritual good. In essence, what he's saying is don't be a distraction. Don't try to "gussy" yourself up to look your absolute best so that people would notice you.
On the other hand, don't try to dress as lousy as you can so that people notice you. People are going to notice you and be distracted from the purpose of being there, which is to learn of the Lord and worship Him and have fellowship together.
1 Timothy 2:9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
There's a lot packed into this verse so I think I'll skip it. No, just kidding! I'll try my best to break this one down and share with you, my understanding.
In like manner also, meaning as the men were to raise holy hands, so women are to be holy in like manner. That women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety;
To adorn means to dress, and in the Greek text, it's the word for cosmetics. To put on an appearance would be a good general description of what he's saying here. In modest apparel. That is something that's orderly, acceptably, decent. In modest apparel, with shamefacedness. That's an old English word representing the Greek word that has to do with orderly or Godly fear.
Something we don't have in our culture today is shamefacedness, people who are ashamed of the clothes that they wear out in public. It's the old "Everybody does it, who cares?" And you would think that they would be self-conscious, but they're not. This has to do with a fear of God, let alone an embarrassment with people. Modest apparel with Godly fear, and sobriety, and this has nothing to do with alcohol. It's the Greek word for mental sobriety.
The arguments that we get back against such a teaching as this comes from our culture. People whose minds have been drunk with some kind of philosophy that says "Oh, you holier than thou people," talking about the way people dress.
1 Timothy 2:8 - I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
Therefore I will, and that's the word BOULOMAI. I council (determine), that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and without doubting. The emphasis of the text is men. Specifically, Paul uses the word that means male, a man, not people but a man. In the public assembly of the church, men are to do the praying.
Secondly, they are to pray lifting up holy hands. Some of you may have seen people praising or praying with their hands up. This is one of the texts that they use. Well, it's actually a Hebraism that has to do with when you pray, make sure that your hands are clean. You either do good things or bad things with your hands. In other words, don't have dirty hands when you pray.
You have a clean conscience and open conscience to God, because it explains what it means, with holy hands, that are without wrath and without doubting. Anger is wrath, and doubting against God. So, you must be holy. And it must be men in the public assembly of the church.
1 Timothy 1:16 - Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
The word longsuffering, MAKROTHUMIA, means slow in human reaction. If it's from God, it means slow in reaction of judgment. Paul is presenting himself as saying the only reason that God saved me is because I was the worst of sinners, and by having mercy on me, God could show just how long He goes with people before He brings judgment, and how much mercy He has on people that call out for mercy, and how much His grace is poured out with faith and love which belongs to Christ.
1 Timothy 1:19 - Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
Here, Paul shares what is called a Modal Participle. It describes for us what it means to fight the good warfare. Holding faith, and a good conscience; Continually hold onto faith in Christ, and a good conscience before God. That's all you have to worry about. You don't have to worry about how people are going to treat you. You stand up for the Lord and you stand up for the truth.
Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith they have made shipwreck: Some people's confession of faith in Christianity, they've made a shipwreck out of it.
1 Timothy 2:7 - Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, I am not lying;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and in verity. That's the word truth. So, he says this is the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles, no matter who they are, that Christ died for your sins. If you'll turn to him, you'll come to know the truth.
God will take away some of our gifts and replace it with the word of truth.
1 Corinthians 13:8
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shallcease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
We now have the word of truth .
1 Corinthians 13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall bedoneaway.
Apostle Paul wants us to pray in the Holy Spirit.
Praying always with allprayerand supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
We should always gift thanks to the Father in Heaven before we ask .
Philippians 4:6
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing byprayerand supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
We should pray to do no evil.
2 Corinthians 13:7
Now Iprayto God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
We should pray for knowledge.
Philippians 1:9
And this Ipray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
We should pray always everyday.
1 Thessalonians 5:17
Praywithout ceasing.
God want us to pray for everything in life.
1 Timothy 2:8
I will therefore that menprayevery where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
Apostle Paul writes about the gathering in the clouds with Jesus Christ and the saved dead saints will rise first in Christ.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the deadinChristshall rise first:
Always give thanks in Christ.
1 Thessalonians 5:18
Inevery thing give thanks: for this is the will of GodinChristJesus concerning you.
Apostle Paul is a preacher, a teacher and a Apostle in Christ.
1 Timothy 2:7
Where unto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truthinChrist, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentilesinfaith and verity.
Deacons are in Christ.
1 Timothy 3:13
For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldnessinthe faith which isinChristJesus.
No body knew before the world began, that Apostle Paul was going to be given a revelation in Christ about the gospel of grace .
2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given usinChristJesus before the world began,
Apostle Paul is giving Timothy instructions for men to become pastors in the church. Apostle Paul never mentioned a woman to becoming a pastor. Bishop means pastor.
1 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
When it comes to becoming a Bishop in the body of the church, it best to have a wive and husband with kids.
Ephesians 5:22-25
22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
The husband needs to love the wife, like Christ loves the body of the church.
Apostle Paul is my Apostle, my Preacher and my Teacher in Christ Jesus through the Holy Spirit.
1 Timothy 2:7
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles infaithand verity.
Please read Romans through Philemon for doctrine and pray continually everyday for God to speak to you.
I'm assuming by what you have written in this thread that you are a single woman, or perhaps you are asking who a woman with no husband is supposed to ask (in response to 1 Corinthians 14:35). In this case, if a woman with no husband has questions during the service, why can't they ask the pastor afterwards? That's who they should be asking.
If you don't mind my asking, are you a pastor? And if I may ask a few more questions, in 1 Corinthians 14:34, women are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. Can you tell me what law this is referring to? Can you please share your understanding of 1 Timothy 2:11-12? What qualities must a pastor possess? Lastly, as far a church function, God has given us His order. Can you tell me what that order is?
Finally, I would like to say that all believers are equal, both men and women, but they have different functions and responsibilities. Does God use women to preach the gospel? Yes, but they are not to be placed in a position of authority over the men in the church. Regardless of what we think about this topic, the bible is clear that women are not allowed to be pastors!
I am sorry that you are unable to find 1 Timothy 2:11,12 - I don't think my repeating that Scripture any more will help you, except to drag this out unnecessarily. When you find it, you can maybe share what you read there.
And I don't understand what you mean by writing, "I don't have a husband so who am I supposed to ask?" Ask what? If you had a question about what is written in the Bible or even having to make a decision over a matter in your life, as a single person, as with any person (married or single), we need to first seek the Lord's Face & learn from His Word for help. Approaching your Elder or Pastor would also be the best informed people to advise you, since they would be aware of your status & needs. And it is a very good thing that you are sharing Christ with others - there's no contradiction from the Word on that, but when in a Church meeting, the Apostle Paul made the matter very clear.
You mentioned 1 Timothy chap 3 (of elders & deacons), or even Titus chap 1 (of elders), but forgot to mention the one we quoted ( 1 Timothy 2:11,12): "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer (permit) not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
Here we have a clear directive that a woman within the Church gathering must not teach nor exercise authority (or 'to be in dominion': Greek) over the brothers in the Church. There can be no dispute over these clear words. And to Acts chap 10 (that Gentiles can also be a part of the Church, with the vision/message given to Peter of unclean animals); yes, all are accepted equally (Jew, Gentile, Man or Woman), but only certain are permitted to function in Christ's Church in their order & by appointment by Church elders. This is what God's Word declares and stands firm & any other ideas or preferences to the contrary matter very little. GBU.
Just to clarify, Evangelist1. The reference to Joel 2:28 & what the Apostle Peter referenced to in his preaching in Acts 2:18, was Israel-specific. I'm not at all suggesting that the spirit of Prophecy, & other gifts, have not been designated to Christ's Church as well, but those references were (& are) for Israel only (as in "your sons" & "your daughters"). When you read Joel 2:28-32, the message is clearly directed to Israel's future repentance & deliverance before that great & awful Day of the Lord arrives. That is still in the future for them & the world.
So, how does that translate to Pentecost Day & the Church in the NT & present? It is certain that the Holy Spirit has given 'gifts' to the Lord's people, and prophetical utterances are one of them (as we see in Acts 11:28; Acts 13:1; Acts 21:9,10,11; and by John the Revelator). In whatever way & location, today in the Church, there has been given an order to be followed. And we see this in 1 Corinthians 11:3 and 1 Timothy 2:11-13. As much as the world might want & demand total equality amongst the sexes, which is not wrong at all for we are all created equal; yet in His Church, Christ has ordained a specific order in leadership & Church operation. And we can't call upon OT examples of women leaders or judges as justification for sisters leading & teaching within the Church; simply because the nation of unsaved Israel does not equate to the saved Body of Christ. We must always be mindful of not letting the teachings of the world & personal inclinations impose on what Christ requires of His people. GBU.
The thrust of what Paul is getting across in 1 Timothy 2:4 is that we should never forsake praying for someone because they belong to a certain class, group, or culture. No "tribe" is too far from God that He cannot save them, so pray with all diligence for God to move His sovereign hand and save."
And finally, I include this excerpt from John Piper:
If "all people" refers to every person without exception, then universalism is our conclusion only if God's desire to save is absolute. But the Lord desires one thing more than the salvation of all - His glory ( Isa. 48:11). In one sense, God can truly want all who have ever lived to be saved; however, this desire always defers to His will to glorify Himself, the will in view when the Bible says His will is always done. The Lord is glorified when sin is punished in hell, and so God's supreme desire is met even when people are not redeemed.
At this point, I will take this up in a day or two to give time for readers to consider this question for themselves. Then I will continue with how I understand this topic.
The subtext of the entire book of Romans is the division that is occurring in the church between Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians. It takes a vision from heaven with God coercing Peter to be okay with entering into a Gentile household and sharing the gospel with Cornelius in Acts 10 (see also Acts 6; Gal 3:28; Eph 2:11-22).
For centuries and centuries, Jewish people were told that their people, children of Abraham, were God's chosen people. And if anyone wanted to enter into a saving relationship with Yahweh, they had to first become Jewish. Further, there was a deep animosity that ran between Jews and Gentiles in the first century. It would have been similar to the way a Southerner would have viewed a Northerner shortly after the Civil War. There was deep distrust and anger, not to mention a wide cultural distance between the two groups.
Now, after the death, burial, and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus, it didn't matter whether you were Jewish, Greek, Scythian, or slave ( Col 3:11). All that mattered was your relationship with Jesus, and Jesus was open and available to any and all cultures, ethnicities, and tribes.
Therefore, when Paul is explaining that God desires "all people" to be saved he is not referring to all people without exception (every individual), but to all people without distinction (every kind) to be saved. Don't think that you shouldn't pray for those emperors or governors ( 1 Tim 2:2) just because they are Roman or Greek-pray for all people; God desires people from every tribe, tongue, and nation to be gathered around His throne ( Rev 5:9-10).
In Conclusion
I personally find the "all persons without distinction" argument to be more satisfactory than the "two wills of God" interpretation in 1 Timothy 2:4. I do affirm classic doctrine of the two wills of God, I just don't think that is the main point Paul is trying to make here in 1 Timothy.
3.Arminianism. This is a Christian perspective that understands that God knows the future and is in control, yet for God to have an authentic relationship with us He cannot impinge upon our choices-our "free-will" must be preserved. So, God desires all people to be saved, yet not everyone is saved because not all choose to be saved. (The name "Arminianism" comes from Jacob Arminius, a Dutch theologian who rebelled against the standard teaching of the church back in the late 16th century.)
4.Augustinian/Reformed. This is a Christian perspective that would understand that an individual's salvation is entirely dependent on the Lord. Our decisions and choices are real and we are held accountable for them, yet apart from the Lord's intervening work, none of us would choose God, thus it is God's prior choice of us that determines our response.
The reason that "all" are not saved is because God has not determined that "all" will be saved. (The name "Reformed" comes from the Protestant Reformation which occurred in the early 16th century, especially the tradition that followed John Calvin's teaching. "Augustinian" comes from the 5th century church father, Augustine of Hippo, who expounded this classic position clearly in his writings.)
A Reformed Understanding of 1 Timothy 2:4
Between the two Christian options given to us, it would seem like the Reformed tradition has the biggest problem with making sense of this verse. In fact, 1 Timothy 2:4 is a traditional proof-text that Arminians will typically run to when trying to discredit Reformed theology. So, how can those of the Reformed tradition make sense of this verse? If the Reformed believe that not all are saved because God has not elected all to be saved (see Rom 9:14-23), then how does 1 Timothy 2:4 make any sense at all? Doesn't the passage plainly say that God "desires all people to be saved"?
Even though it was God's will for Jesus to suffer and die, accountability still fell on those responsible for His death, as highlighted in ( Mark 14:21).
God's dispositional will reflects His attitude and what pleases or displeases Him. For instance, ( 1 Timothy 2:4) reveals God's desire for all to be saved and know the truth. This illustrates God's disposition towards the lost, emphasizing His desire for their salvation. Despite God's universal desire for salvation, not everyone chooses to accept it.
There is a distinction between God's dispositional will and His sovereign will.
In essence, the will of God comprises three elements: 1) God's sovereign will is manifested in His unchangeable decrees. He decreed that there be light, and there was light. , ( Genesis 1:3)-an illustration of His efficacious decree.
He permitted Satan to afflict Job And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. , ( Job 1:12)-an instance of His permissive decree. 2) God's revealed will is found in His precepts, provided to us so that we may live in holiness. We have the capacity (but not the right) to violate these commands. 3) God's dispositional will is His attitude. Sometimes, God ordains something that does not bring Him pleasure, such as the death of the wicked as seen in Ezekiel 33:11."
Day 30 January 30, 2025 West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar Isaiah 40:28-31 KJV Waiting on God
Me being a member at West Angeles Cogic Church Cathedral Los Angeles California
Isaiah 40:28 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" You have to believe Jesus Christ is the true and living God is the only way to find out. Jeremiah 10:10 KJV - Peace and safety Psalms 91:2 KJV, Romans 8:2 KJV
Guaranteed results are strength to endure,support, refresh, moral order.
God is always there. Matthew 28:20 KJV, Exodus 34:6 KJV-reality
The presence of Christ is not just true and mighty Psalms 21:6 KJV also mighty to save 1 Timothy 2:4-5 KJV
Words you say and believe to actions to be and get reality.
Ways you can be and get what you want-reality. are listen to God's voice and word to obey, follow, "do it" in speaking , actions, attention of communications.
Isaiah 40:29 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" Jesus Christ showing all he is holy to result- Isaiah 40:29 KJV. Faith, love and hope to always Exodus 34:6 KJV. Referred scripture " Matthew 5:6 KJV"."
Isaiah 40:30 KJV
My Respond:
We believe the Bible to be the Inspired and only infallible written Word of God. John 14:6 KJV
Isaiah 40:31 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" They shall mount up as eagles-giving you understanding Psalm 103:5 KJV, Psalms 91:4 KJV. Because of Jesus resurrection eternal life we can do all things Philippians 4:13 KJV.
I'm finally settled in for the night and thanks again for responding!
I viewed your thoughts and I have a few things I would like you to consider.
I portioned them out and would like to address them separately.
1) You stated; We know they were made very good as part of everything made in the sixth day. I would believe that having been made very good they had a covering at least by the hand of God himself by His image.
Having been placed in the garden to dress and keep it was also good and they had all that they needed.
My thoughts;
"When God says that it was good he's not talking about Adam's spiritual condition! God mentioned the same thing about the light, the seas, the grass and the herb, the cattle, the creeping things, the two great lights to rule over the day and night, and on and on until he finished his creation.
As for setting him in the garden of Eden. Well that didn't work out.
2) Continuing your quote;
"And yet nakedness began by listening to a fellow creature rather than being obedient to the Word of the Father himself.
My thoughts;
You said nakedness began by listening to a fellow creature.
However, In Genesis 2:25
Adam was naked BEFORE he listened to the voice of his wife.
Also Adam wasn't deceived by Satan according to 1 Timothy 2:14.
Adam made the decision to disobey God!
The decision process comes before the act.
He wasn't created perfect and the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil opened his eyes to that.
There's only one perfect being to walk here on earth and that's God himself manifested in the flesh!
Hello Tdianne. As Jaz shared, purgatory is a teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, where the belief is, "All who die in God's grace, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven" (according to the RC Catechism). So, they believe there is a place of purification & refining 'just short of Heaven' for those Christians who have died still with sin stains & in need of cleansing to enter Heaven.
This belief primarily comes from the Apocryphal Book 2 Maccabees 12:38-45, where Judas Maccabeus, a Jew, went to bury those of his men fallen in battle. But he found idolatrous items under those men which he believed was the reason for their death. So prayer was made for them that their sin would be forgiven and also took up an offering (of money) to be sent to Jerusalem as a sin offering. Judas believed that by doing these things, these fallen sinful men of his company might have a better chance of eternal life. We have no way of confirming this account as it is never referred to in the Bible we have, but since this book (and others) are in the canon of RC Scriptures, they accept it.
This account then gives them the directive that prayer for the dead & making penance for their souls is necessary. But what is not taken into account, is that what Maccabeus did was not what was prescribed by the LORD & should be discarded. So, it is important that we stick very closely with the Bible we have & not resort to spurious material - and especially the apocryphal writings written by often unknown writers in those 400 silent years where no prophecy was given from the LORD.
Hebrews 9:27 clearly tells us that after death comes judgement & nothing in-between. That Christ fully paid the price for our sins & stands as our Mediator in Heaven if we sin & seek Him for forgiveness ( 1 Timothy 2:5) - we can do nothing now to help those who have died.
Thank you, there is a lot in the first books of Genesis looking at the first 3 chapters. We look for the understanding and what does it mean that Adam was not deceived but it was Eve who was deceived by the serpent, 1 Timothy 2:14 and 2 Corinthians 11:3. We cannot begin to comprehend the plan of God. To Him, things that are not, are already done, the gifts and grace He gives are predestined to all who will accept the gifts He offered before the world was.
We live in a time when our life is so short we sometimes struggle to even imagine what eternity will be like. But our faith and our hope are in Jesus by Him we are brothers and sisters and the children of God and one day we will be with Him on a new earth that our imaginations cannot even picture.
Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
John 17:1-3 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
1 Corinthians 15:25,28 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
The whole word of God is a PROPHECY of the kingdom of God, including the book of Genesis.
Adam is Christ, EVE HIS WIFE is mankind, God put Adam in a deep sleep (death on a cross), our Father, by his Spirit, cause Adam (Christ) to arise, and we (EVE) came out of Christ, as ONE FLESH.
Genesis 5:2 Male and female CREATED (by the resurrection of Christ) he them, and called THEIR NAME Adam (Christ), in the day they were CREATED.
1 Timothy 2:13-15 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was NOT DECEIVE, but the woman being DECEIVE, was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding SHE (Eve, Christ's wife) shall BE SAVED in child bearing.....
Revelation 3:12 ...and I will write upon him my NEW NAME ......
Revelation 12:2 And SHE being with child, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to be DELIVERED.
John 3:7 ..... YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN ......
Acts 19:5 When they heard this they were BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
Question. In Romans 8:28-29 says, "28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.29For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.". What does that "foreknow" stand for? God foreknew what?
Another question. 1 Timothy 2:4, "Who(God) will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.". If God wants ALL people to be saved, why does He choose some specific people for salvation, and not all?
Third and final question. Romans 2:6-10, "6Who(God) will render to every man according to his deeds:7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:" Here it says that God will save or judge people according to their deeds. But why is this since salvation is granted by faith and not works? Doesn't those seem to be in contrast to one other? What are your thoughts on those?
Father I join Joyce in asking for the salvation of her family, my family and all others who are not saved (standing on 1 Timothy 2:4). Thank you Father. In Jesus name. Amen.
Sory but I quoted that passage incorrectly. You are right, it says "Except a man be born again...".
As far as my belief in what "water" stands for in John 3:5, is concerned, it means the Word of God. As I said before it is the seed that is sowed by the Sower in all people's heart. When the soil/heart is a good and soft soil then that seed gets inside it and it sprouts, in other words when a heart is soft then the word of God gets inside it and causes repentance and regeneration, 1 Peter 1:23-25 describes that clearly. So without the word of God nothing can be done. I don't agree at all with a "magical" (sorry for the expression, I know many believe it like this) regeneration. There is no possible way that God regenerates infants that most possibly will become atheists afterwards. The idea of predestination the way some believe it leaves me in complete disagreement. If God chooses whom to select and save, then He would have been a racist and discriminative God. But in 1 Timothy 2:2-4 says clearly, " For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth". So if God wants ALL people to be saved why does He choose some for salvation? Because the whole interpetation of that is wrong, in my opinion. God knows who is going to accept Jesus and had His plans for the salvation of all mankind completed before the foundation of the world. So His choice has to do with our decisions made with our free will. It is obvious in the parable of the Sower and the good seed where Gods tries to plant His seed in every heart. But the result is due to our heart.
As to your question you have received several answers, my understanding in the Bible baptism is done only by immersion as the word means. As Jesse said sprinkling did not start until the 1300s and it was for the reason it was so inconvenient. So, this was done just because of convenience's sake, nothing Biblical about it. I agree with Giannis, and we must believe as Jesus said in Mark 16:16.
All we do is to be done in our Lord Jesus's name, Colossians 3:16-17. Many use Matthew 28:19 but we also see in the rest of Scripture that a person who is baptized in Jesus' name is someone who believes in Jesus as Savior, the Messiah, the Son of God who for us died, was buried, and was resurrected we acknowledge this by being baptized in His name, Acts 2:38Acts 8:12Acts 8:16Acts 10:48Acts 19:5Acts 22:16Romans 6:3Galatians 3:27Colossians 2:12Ephesians 4:5.
Paul shows the importance of being baptized in the name of Jesus, Acts 19:1-6. God has placed Jesus and His name above all that is in heaven and earth, Matthew 28:18Philippians 2:9-11. Salvation only comes in His name Acts 4:12Romans 10:13. The name of Jesus is the source of power and authority for healing, miracles, and deliverance, Mark 16:17Luke 10:17Acts 4:7Acts 4:30Acts 16:18.
We are to give thanks in Jesus's name, Ephesians 5:20. Our faith is through Him and in His name, Acts 3:16. We must believe in Jesus, John 3:16John 6:47Acts 16:311 John 3:231 John 5:13. Whatever we ask for we are to ask in His name, John 14:13-14. We are to pray to the Father in His name, James 5:14. Jesus is our priest and the only mediator between God and men, 1 Timothy 2:5.
Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 John 2:22-23 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Acts 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
1 Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Two things: I do not allow a woman to teach. There's one. It doesn't say anything about men. Nor, to usurp authority over the man, which is why they shouldn't teach. The term usurp authority over the man, usurp authority is the word authenticate. It means that the woman is not to take the authenticity of man, what the male was created to do.
In the church, God has raised up the men to do the praying and the doctrinal teaching. We find out in Titus that the women are to take the younger women and teach them how to keep their home and love their husband and raise their children. A woman is not to teach, nor to take the authenticity of man, don't take over for him, but to be in silence. That's just what he said. They are to learn in silence.
1 Timothy 3:1 - This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
Paul starts out by saying this is a true saying, and the word true is the word faithful. This is a faithful saying. Paul uses that phrase several times in his letters. The reason he does is because they had no New Testament in those times. Whenever they talked about the scriptures, it was always the Old Testament, or the Tanak, the Hebrew scripture.
Here is something I would like to share before going through this chapter. In Verses 1 through 7, we have the instruction concerning overseers. The King James text uses the word bishop. And the word is EPISKOPOS, where we get our word Episcopalian from. EPI is over, and SKOPOS is to scope (to see). So, he's an EPI-over SKOPOS-seer. He's an overseer.
In Acts Chapter 20, the overseer is also interchangeable with elder and with pastor. The overseer is the head officer in the church. And that's what he is responsible for. He is responsible for the overseeing of the church, to make sure it functions in the order that God has it in.
1 Timothy 2:9 Contiued:
Well, he's talking to women to become sober in your thinking. Think the way God thinks. See it the way God sees it. If not, then your mind is being influenced by some kind of "mental alcohol" that comes from the world.
Then he says not with broided, or braided hair. Now here's where the legalists get into this. Sometimes you'll see groups that are different from other religious groups because they follow this. This has to do with that in those times, the women would braid their hair and then wrap it up into what used to be called a "beehive," and then they would weave jewelry in and out of it. And then they would go to church. Now, do you think you would notice them?
But you see, that's the whole point here. With braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly garments. But be presentable in that which becomes women who profess godliness that they belong to God, through good works. The word good is spiritual good. In essence, what he's saying is don't be a distraction. Don't try to "gussy" yourself up to look your absolute best so that people would notice you.
On the other hand, don't try to dress as lousy as you can so that people notice you. People are going to notice you and be distracted from the purpose of being there, which is to learn of the Lord and worship Him and have fellowship together.
1 Timothy 2:9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
There's a lot packed into this verse so I think I'll skip it. No, just kidding! I'll try my best to break this one down and share with you, my understanding.
In like manner also, meaning as the men were to raise holy hands, so women are to be holy in like manner. That women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety;
To adorn means to dress, and in the Greek text, it's the word for cosmetics. To put on an appearance would be a good general description of what he's saying here. In modest apparel. That is something that's orderly, acceptably, decent. In modest apparel, with shamefacedness. That's an old English word representing the Greek word that has to do with orderly or Godly fear.
Something we don't have in our culture today is shamefacedness, people who are ashamed of the clothes that they wear out in public. It's the old "Everybody does it, who cares?" And you would think that they would be self-conscious, but they're not. This has to do with a fear of God, let alone an embarrassment with people. Modest apparel with Godly fear, and sobriety, and this has nothing to do with alcohol. It's the Greek word for mental sobriety.
The arguments that we get back against such a teaching as this comes from our culture. People whose minds have been drunk with some kind of philosophy that says "Oh, you holier than thou people," talking about the way people dress.
1 Timothy 2:8 - I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
Therefore I will, and that's the word BOULOMAI. I council (determine), that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and without doubting. The emphasis of the text is men. Specifically, Paul uses the word that means male, a man, not people but a man. In the public assembly of the church, men are to do the praying.
Secondly, they are to pray lifting up holy hands. Some of you may have seen people praising or praying with their hands up. This is one of the texts that they use. Well, it's actually a Hebraism that has to do with when you pray, make sure that your hands are clean. You either do good things or bad things with your hands. In other words, don't have dirty hands when you pray.
You have a clean conscience and open conscience to God, because it explains what it means, with holy hands, that are without wrath and without doubting. Anger is wrath, and doubting against God. So, you must be holy. And it must be men in the public assembly of the church.
1 Timothy 1:16 - Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
The word longsuffering, MAKROTHUMIA, means slow in human reaction. If it's from God, it means slow in reaction of judgment. Paul is presenting himself as saying the only reason that God saved me is because I was the worst of sinners, and by having mercy on me, God could show just how long He goes with people before He brings judgment, and how much mercy He has on people that call out for mercy, and how much His grace is poured out with faith and love which belongs to Christ.
1 Timothy 1:19 - Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
Here, Paul shares what is called a Modal Participle. It describes for us what it means to fight the good warfare. Holding faith, and a good conscience; Continually hold onto faith in Christ, and a good conscience before God. That's all you have to worry about. You don't have to worry about how people are going to treat you. You stand up for the Lord and you stand up for the truth.
Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith they have made shipwreck: Some people's confession of faith in Christianity, they've made a shipwreck out of it.
1 Timothy 2:7 - Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, I am not lying;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and in verity. That's the word truth. So, he says this is the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles, no matter who they are, that Christ died for your sins. If you'll turn to him, you'll come to know the truth.
Does God heal today ? ?
God will take away some of our gifts and replace it with the word of truth.
1 Corinthians 13:8
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shallcease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
We now have the word of truth .
1 Corinthians 13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall bedoneaway.
Apostle Paul wants us to pray in the Holy Spirit.
Praying always with allprayerand supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
We should always gift thanks to the Father in Heaven before we ask .
Philippians 4:6
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing byprayerand supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
We should pray to do no evil.
2 Corinthians 13:7
Now Iprayto God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
We should pray for knowledge.
Philippians 1:9
And this Ipray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
We should pray always everyday.
1 Thessalonians 5:17
Praywithout ceasing.
God want us to pray for everything in life.
1 Timothy 2:8
I will therefore that menprayevery where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Apostle Paul writes about the gathering in the clouds with Jesus Christ and the saved dead saints will rise first in Christ.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the deadinChristshall rise first:
Always give thanks in Christ.
1 Thessalonians 5:18
Inevery thing give thanks: for this is the will of GodinChristJesus concerning you.
Apostle Paul is a preacher, a teacher and a Apostle in Christ.
1 Timothy 2:7
Where unto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truthinChrist, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentilesinfaith and verity.
Deacons are in Christ.
1 Timothy 3:13
For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldnessinthe faith which isinChristJesus.
No body knew before the world began, that Apostle Paul was going to be given a revelation in Christ about the gospel of grace .
2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given usinChristJesus before the world began,
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
When it comes to becoming a Bishop in the body of the church, it best to have a wive and husband with kids.
Ephesians 5:22-25
22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
The husband needs to love the wife, like Christ loves the body of the church.
Apostle Paul is my Apostle, my Preacher and my Teacher in Christ Jesus through the Holy Spirit.
1 Timothy 2:7
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles infaithand verity.
Please read Romans through Philemon for doctrine and pray continually everyday for God to speak to you.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Let the gospel of grace change your life.
(Part 2):
I'm assuming by what you have written in this thread that you are a single woman, or perhaps you are asking who a woman with no husband is supposed to ask (in response to 1 Corinthians 14:35). In this case, if a woman with no husband has questions during the service, why can't they ask the pastor afterwards? That's who they should be asking.
If you don't mind my asking, are you a pastor? And if I may ask a few more questions, in 1 Corinthians 14:34, women are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. Can you tell me what law this is referring to? Can you please share your understanding of 1 Timothy 2:11-12? What qualities must a pastor possess? Lastly, as far a church function, God has given us His order. Can you tell me what that order is?
Finally, I would like to say that all believers are equal, both men and women, but they have different functions and responsibilities. Does God use women to preach the gospel? Yes, but they are not to be placed in a position of authority over the men in the church. Regardless of what we think about this topic, the bible is clear that women are not allowed to be pastors!
And I don't understand what you mean by writing, "I don't have a husband so who am I supposed to ask?" Ask what? If you had a question about what is written in the Bible or even having to make a decision over a matter in your life, as a single person, as with any person (married or single), we need to first seek the Lord's Face & learn from His Word for help. Approaching your Elder or Pastor would also be the best informed people to advise you, since they would be aware of your status & needs. And it is a very good thing that you are sharing Christ with others - there's no contradiction from the Word on that, but when in a Church meeting, the Apostle Paul made the matter very clear.
You mentioned 1 Timothy chap 3 (of elders & deacons), or even Titus chap 1 (of elders), but forgot to mention the one we quoted ( 1 Timothy 2:11,12): "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer (permit) not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
Here we have a clear directive that a woman within the Church gathering must not teach nor exercise authority (or 'to be in dominion': Greek) over the brothers in the Church. There can be no dispute over these clear words. And to Acts chap 10 (that Gentiles can also be a part of the Church, with the vision/message given to Peter of unclean animals); yes, all are accepted equally (Jew, Gentile, Man or Woman), but only certain are permitted to function in Christ's Church in their order & by appointment by Church elders. This is what God's Word declares and stands firm & any other ideas or preferences to the contrary matter very little. GBU.
So, how does that translate to Pentecost Day & the Church in the NT & present? It is certain that the Holy Spirit has given 'gifts' to the Lord's people, and prophetical utterances are one of them (as we see in Acts 11:28; Acts 13:1; Acts 21:9,10,11; and by John the Revelator). In whatever way & location, today in the Church, there has been given an order to be followed. And we see this in 1 Corinthians 11:3 and 1 Timothy 2:11-13. As much as the world might want & demand total equality amongst the sexes, which is not wrong at all for we are all created equal; yet in His Church, Christ has ordained a specific order in leadership & Church operation. And we can't call upon OT examples of women leaders or judges as justification for sisters leading & teaching within the Church; simply because the nation of unsaved Israel does not equate to the saved Body of Christ. We must always be mindful of not letting the teachings of the world & personal inclinations impose on what Christ requires of His people. GBU.
Pt. 10
The thrust of what Paul is getting across in 1 Timothy 2:4 is that we should never forsake praying for someone because they belong to a certain class, group, or culture. No "tribe" is too far from God that He cannot save them, so pray with all diligence for God to move His sovereign hand and save."
And finally, I include this excerpt from John Piper:
If "all people" refers to every person without exception, then universalism is our conclusion only if God's desire to save is absolute. But the Lord desires one thing more than the salvation of all - His glory ( Isa. 48:11). In one sense, God can truly want all who have ever lived to be saved; however, this desire always defers to His will to glorify Himself, the will in view when the Bible says His will is always done. The Lord is glorified when sin is punished in hell, and so God's supreme desire is met even when people are not redeemed.
At this point, I will take this up in a day or two to give time for readers to consider this question for themselves. Then I will continue with how I understand this topic.
Pt. 9
The subtext of the entire book of Romans is the division that is occurring in the church between Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians. It takes a vision from heaven with God coercing Peter to be okay with entering into a Gentile household and sharing the gospel with Cornelius in Acts 10 (see also Acts 6; Gal 3:28; Eph 2:11-22).
For centuries and centuries, Jewish people were told that their people, children of Abraham, were God's chosen people. And if anyone wanted to enter into a saving relationship with Yahweh, they had to first become Jewish. Further, there was a deep animosity that ran between Jews and Gentiles in the first century. It would have been similar to the way a Southerner would have viewed a Northerner shortly after the Civil War. There was deep distrust and anger, not to mention a wide cultural distance between the two groups.
Now, after the death, burial, and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus, it didn't matter whether you were Jewish, Greek, Scythian, or slave ( Col 3:11). All that mattered was your relationship with Jesus, and Jesus was open and available to any and all cultures, ethnicities, and tribes.
Therefore, when Paul is explaining that God desires "all people" to be saved he is not referring to all people without exception (every individual), but to all people without distinction (every kind) to be saved. Don't think that you shouldn't pray for those emperors or governors ( 1 Tim 2:2) just because they are Roman or Greek-pray for all people; God desires people from every tribe, tongue, and nation to be gathered around His throne ( Rev 5:9-10).
In Conclusion
I personally find the "all persons without distinction" argument to be more satisfactory than the "two wills of God" interpretation in 1 Timothy 2:4. I do affirm classic doctrine of the two wills of God, I just don't think that is the main point Paul is trying to make here in 1 Timothy.
See Pt.. 10
Pt. 6
3.Arminianism. This is a Christian perspective that understands that God knows the future and is in control, yet for God to have an authentic relationship with us He cannot impinge upon our choices-our "free-will" must be preserved. So, God desires all people to be saved, yet not everyone is saved because not all choose to be saved. (The name "Arminianism" comes from Jacob Arminius, a Dutch theologian who rebelled against the standard teaching of the church back in the late 16th century.)
4.Augustinian/Reformed. This is a Christian perspective that would understand that an individual's salvation is entirely dependent on the Lord. Our decisions and choices are real and we are held accountable for them, yet apart from the Lord's intervening work, none of us would choose God, thus it is God's prior choice of us that determines our response.
The reason that "all" are not saved is because God has not determined that "all" will be saved. (The name "Reformed" comes from the Protestant Reformation which occurred in the early 16th century, especially the tradition that followed John Calvin's teaching. "Augustinian" comes from the 5th century church father, Augustine of Hippo, who expounded this classic position clearly in his writings.)
A Reformed Understanding of 1 Timothy 2:4
Between the two Christian options given to us, it would seem like the Reformed tradition has the biggest problem with making sense of this verse. In fact, 1 Timothy 2:4 is a traditional proof-text that Arminians will typically run to when trying to discredit Reformed theology. So, how can those of the Reformed tradition make sense of this verse? If the Reformed believe that not all are saved because God has not elected all to be saved (see Rom 9:14-23), then how does 1 Timothy 2:4 make any sense at all? Doesn't the passage plainly say that God "desires all people to be saved"?
See Pt. 7
Pt. 4
Even though it was God's will for Jesus to suffer and die, accountability still fell on those responsible for His death, as highlighted in ( Mark 14:21).
God's dispositional will reflects His attitude and what pleases or displeases Him. For instance, ( 1 Timothy 2:4) reveals God's desire for all to be saved and know the truth. This illustrates God's disposition towards the lost, emphasizing His desire for their salvation. Despite God's universal desire for salvation, not everyone chooses to accept it.
There is a distinction between God's dispositional will and His sovereign will.
In essence, the will of God comprises three elements: 1) God's sovereign will is manifested in His unchangeable decrees. He decreed that there be light, and there was light. , ( Genesis 1:3)-an illustration of His efficacious decree.
He permitted Satan to afflict Job And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. , ( Job 1:12)-an instance of His permissive decree. 2) God's revealed will is found in His precepts, provided to us so that we may live in holiness. We have the capacity (but not the right) to violate these commands. 3) God's dispositional will is His attitude. Sometimes, God ordains something that does not bring Him pleasure, such as the death of the wicked as seen in Ezekiel 33:11."
See Pt. 5
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Isaiah 40:28 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" You have to believe Jesus Christ is the true and living God is the only way to find out. Jeremiah 10:10 KJV - Peace and safety Psalms 91:2 KJV, Romans 8:2 KJV
Guaranteed results are strength to endure,support, refresh, moral order.
God is always there. Matthew 28:20 KJV, Exodus 34:6 KJV-reality
The presence of Christ is not just true and mighty Psalms 21:6 KJV also mighty to save 1 Timothy 2:4-5 KJV
Words you say and believe to actions to be and get reality.
Ways you can be and get what you want-reality. are listen to God's voice and word to obey, follow, "do it" in speaking , actions, attention of communications.
Isaiah 40:29 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" Jesus Christ showing all he is holy to result- Isaiah 40:29 KJV. Faith, love and hope to always Exodus 34:6 KJV. Referred scripture " Matthew 5:6 KJV"."
Isaiah 40:30 KJV
My Respond:
We believe the Bible to be the Inspired and only infallible written Word of God. John 14:6 KJV
Isaiah 40:31 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" They shall mount up as eagles-giving you understanding Psalm 103:5 KJV, Psalms 91:4 KJV. Because of Jesus resurrection eternal life we can do all things Philippians 4:13 KJV.
Word Spoken and Written by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
1 Timothy 2:5,
Hebrews 12:24,
Proverbs 3:5 kjv.
I'm finally settled in for the night and thanks again for responding!
I viewed your thoughts and I have a few things I would like you to consider.
I portioned them out and would like to address them separately.
1) You stated; We know they were made very good as part of everything made in the sixth day. I would believe that having been made very good they had a covering at least by the hand of God himself by His image.
Having been placed in the garden to dress and keep it was also good and they had all that they needed.
My thoughts;
"When God says that it was good he's not talking about Adam's spiritual condition! God mentioned the same thing about the light, the seas, the grass and the herb, the cattle, the creeping things, the two great lights to rule over the day and night, and on and on until he finished his creation.
As for setting him in the garden of Eden. Well that didn't work out.
2) Continuing your quote;
"And yet nakedness began by listening to a fellow creature rather than being obedient to the Word of the Father himself.
My thoughts;
You said nakedness began by listening to a fellow creature.
However, In Genesis 2:25
Adam was naked BEFORE he listened to the voice of his wife.
Also Adam wasn't deceived by Satan according to 1 Timothy 2:14.
Adam made the decision to disobey God!
The decision process comes before the act.
He wasn't created perfect and the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil opened his eyes to that.
There's only one perfect being to walk here on earth and that's God himself manifested in the flesh!
God bless.
This belief primarily comes from the Apocryphal Book 2 Maccabees 12:38-45, where Judas Maccabeus, a Jew, went to bury those of his men fallen in battle. But he found idolatrous items under those men which he believed was the reason for their death. So prayer was made for them that their sin would be forgiven and also took up an offering (of money) to be sent to Jerusalem as a sin offering. Judas believed that by doing these things, these fallen sinful men of his company might have a better chance of eternal life. We have no way of confirming this account as it is never referred to in the Bible we have, but since this book (and others) are in the canon of RC Scriptures, they accept it.
This account then gives them the directive that prayer for the dead & making penance for their souls is necessary. But what is not taken into account, is that what Maccabeus did was not what was prescribed by the LORD & should be discarded. So, it is important that we stick very closely with the Bible we have & not resort to spurious material - and especially the apocryphal writings written by often unknown writers in those 400 silent years where no prophecy was given from the LORD.
Hebrews 9:27 clearly tells us that after death comes judgement & nothing in-between. That Christ fully paid the price for our sins & stands as our Mediator in Heaven if we sin & seek Him for forgiveness ( 1 Timothy 2:5) - we can do nothing now to help those who have died.
Thank you, there is a lot in the first books of Genesis looking at the first 3 chapters. We look for the understanding and what does it mean that Adam was not deceived but it was Eve who was deceived by the serpent, 1 Timothy 2:14 and 2 Corinthians 11:3. We cannot begin to comprehend the plan of God. To Him, things that are not, are already done, the gifts and grace He gives are predestined to all who will accept the gifts He offered before the world was.
We live in a time when our life is so short we sometimes struggle to even imagine what eternity will be like. But our faith and our hope are in Jesus by Him we are brothers and sisters and the children of God and one day we will be with Him on a new earth that our imaginations cannot even picture.
God bless,
RLW
Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
John 17:1-3 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
1 Corinthians 15:25,28 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
God bless,
RLW
The whole word of God is a PROPHECY of the kingdom of God, including the book of Genesis.
Adam is Christ, EVE HIS WIFE is mankind, God put Adam in a deep sleep (death on a cross), our Father, by his Spirit, cause Adam (Christ) to arise, and we (EVE) came out of Christ, as ONE FLESH.
Genesis 5:2 Male and female CREATED (by the resurrection of Christ) he them, and called THEIR NAME Adam (Christ), in the day they were CREATED.
1 Timothy 2:13-15 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was NOT DECEIVE, but the woman being DECEIVE, was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding SHE (Eve, Christ's wife) shall BE SAVED in child bearing.....
Revelation 3:12 ...and I will write upon him my NEW NAME ......
Revelation 12:2 And SHE being with child, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to be DELIVERED.
John 3:7 ..... YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN ......
Acts 19:5 When they heard this they were BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
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Question. In Romans 8:28-29 says, "28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.29For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.". What does that "foreknow" stand for? God foreknew what?
Another question. 1 Timothy 2:4, "Who(God) will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.". If God wants ALL people to be saved, why does He choose some specific people for salvation, and not all?
Third and final question. Romans 2:6-10, "6Who(God) will render to every man according to his deeds:7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:" Here it says that God will save or judge people according to their deeds. But why is this since salvation is granted by faith and not works? Doesn't those seem to be in contrast to one other? What are your thoughts on those?
Sory but I quoted that passage incorrectly. You are right, it says "Except a man be born again...".
As far as my belief in what "water" stands for in John 3:5, is concerned, it means the Word of God. As I said before it is the seed that is sowed by the Sower in all people's heart. When the soil/heart is a good and soft soil then that seed gets inside it and it sprouts, in other words when a heart is soft then the word of God gets inside it and causes repentance and regeneration, 1 Peter 1:23-25 describes that clearly. So without the word of God nothing can be done. I don't agree at all with a "magical" (sorry for the expression, I know many believe it like this) regeneration. There is no possible way that God regenerates infants that most possibly will become atheists afterwards. The idea of predestination the way some believe it leaves me in complete disagreement. If God chooses whom to select and save, then He would have been a racist and discriminative God. But in 1 Timothy 2:2-4 says clearly, " For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth". So if God wants ALL people to be saved why does He choose some for salvation? Because the whole interpetation of that is wrong, in my opinion. God knows who is going to accept Jesus and had His plans for the salvation of all mankind completed before the foundation of the world. So His choice has to do with our decisions made with our free will. It is obvious in the parable of the Sower and the good seed where Gods tries to plant His seed in every heart. But the result is due to our heart.
See pt 2
As to your question you have received several answers, my understanding in the Bible baptism is done only by immersion as the word means. As Jesse said sprinkling did not start until the 1300s and it was for the reason it was so inconvenient. So, this was done just because of convenience's sake, nothing Biblical about it. I agree with Giannis, and we must believe as Jesus said in Mark 16:16.
All we do is to be done in our Lord Jesus's name, Colossians 3:16-17. Many use Matthew 28:19 but we also see in the rest of Scripture that a person who is baptized in Jesus' name is someone who believes in Jesus as Savior, the Messiah, the Son of God who for us died, was buried, and was resurrected we acknowledge this by being baptized in His name, Acts 2:38 Acts 8:12 Acts 8:16 Acts 10:48 Acts 19:5 Acts 22:16 Romans 6:3 Galatians 3:27 Colossians 2:12 Ephesians 4:5.
Paul shows the importance of being baptized in the name of Jesus, Acts 19:1-6. God has placed Jesus and His name above all that is in heaven and earth, Matthew 28:18 Philippians 2:9-11. Salvation only comes in His name Acts 4:12 Romans 10:13. The name of Jesus is the source of power and authority for healing, miracles, and deliverance, Mark 16:17 Luke 10:17 Acts 4:7 Acts 4:30 Acts 16:18.
We are to give thanks in Jesus's name, Ephesians 5:20. Our faith is through Him and in His name, Acts 3:16. We must believe in Jesus, John 3:16 John 6:47 Acts 16:31 1 John 3:23 1 John 5:13. Whatever we ask for we are to ask in His name, John 14:13-14. We are to pray to the Father in His name, James 5:14. Jesus is our priest and the only mediator between God and men, 1 Timothy 2:5.
God bless,
RLW
Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 John 2:22-23 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Acts 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
God bless,
RLW