I have been searching for direct translations into English of the words actually spoken by JESUS like the words that he used at the last supper. I have found extensive quotations in a "Gospel According to St Mathew" couple of quotes below:
(1) And he said: "Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death."
(2) Jesus says:
(1) "The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds.
(2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed.
(3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished.
(4) And he will be king over the All."
(3) Jesus says:
(1) "If those who lead you say to you: 'Look, the kingdom is in the sky!' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you: 'It is in the sea,' then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you."
(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."
As you can see they do not make a great deal of sense presumably because they are out of context?
Any ideas as to where I can find more understandable direct quotations will be welcome.
I read my bible, and have trouble remembering it, do you have any suggestions on how I may retain it better, I am 58 and memory not the best? Thank you & God Bless!
That msg I sent was supposed to be cryptic! And apparently it was!
What is so astonishing is that yourself, Gigi, and Sammi is sort of correct.
I was questioning the Identity.
And I also was questioning the doctrine.
That was my way of asking Ruby Lea "are you Earl Bowman?"
The doctrine and style/dialog is Identical to Old man Wilson, Prophecy and Earls.
If this message of salvation ends up where everyone is born again whether you believe or not, Why is it so important to press it at the point of changing Identity to do so?
Our message has consequences!
The message must be preached and one must believe!
If I could pull off a Jacob to get it across I probably would.
However there's no need for that for either.
Now if this is "that doctrine" where EVERYONE is saved and become gods, THAT IS NOT TRUTH!
Such a great event as Noah's Flood would surely have left evidence to be found today. For instance, one would expect to find billions of dead creatures buried by water in mud and sand (now hardened to rock). And that is exactly what scientists do find around the world.
Thousands of dinosaur bones can be found where they were washed together by violent flood waters and buried under mud, sand and rock. Many of the animals were torn apart and their bones broken and jumbled. The muds and sands often hardened like concrete to form the great layers of fossil rocks we find today.
Dinosaur bone buried on stone.
Quick flood burial would be the only way that so many dinosaurs and other things could have become fossilized in the way scientists have found
Paul and any other author of any other book in the Bible wrote those writtings for the people living at their time. But they serve as teachings for all people of all time.
If you have a closer look at those verses and read carefully the chapters where those verses are in then you will understand their meaning. GBU
Good Morning S. Spencer, Like Chris, I took your comment to mean that we are to show forth Jesus truthfully and with the knowledge of what Scripture reveals about Him. I did not think you were referring to any person posting on this site, especially not Sammi. May the Lord bring clarity to all here and repair what seems to have been damaged. Sorry this happened here.
I found your reply to me to be facetious and aggressive . I'm not sure what I said or did to provoke such a response from you . I do forgive you totally but don't wish any further communication between us .
I want to send a great thank you for all the people that work for this site. Thank you for the possibility to download free the kjv. God bless you,your work, and your family!
I knew what you were talking about because I've spent a lot of time reading the posts from as far back as two years ago , so I've become familiar with people's 'voices'. I wasn't aware that this site had strict doctrine rules that have to be adhered to ? I'm still not aware that that is the case . Is this a site run for and by a specific denomination or is it a site where people from all denominations can gather to discuss the Bible ? If we are perceived as being aggressive towards a fellow poster on here , how might that be perceived by people reading this site ? It may deter someone from coming on and asking us a question because they are afraid of being ridiculed or attacked . We mustn't just think of the conversation we are having but we must also remember that there could potentially be hundreds reading it .We must be gentle and respectful to everyone or we might alienate others without realising it , we won't know what we have done , but others will know .
Indeed brother S. Spencer, that's the way I read your statement which said, "We display him with HONESTY AND NO DECEPTION", pertaining to the message & not the messenger. We cannot be critical of people's character, especially when we have no perception of them here, other than the name & message presented. But we can, and have every right to question (or ask for further detail with references) the message shared.
I seldom get asked to elaborate on what I share but am always ready to support further what I write without harboring any unpleasant thoughts about the questioner. And this has been the case throughout the Bible, especially the NT where the apostles had to continually correct wrong teaching given, and when they knew particular ones in error, even name them. So what makes one person right & the other wrong? Nothing, except that both should carefully examine the Word & discuss the matter until the Truth is revealed. There are some things that may never be clear or convincing to another, but when doctrines of salvation, re-birth, heaven, hell, destiny of the soul, etc., are discussed, there is much in the Word that will direct us to a proper end. It would take much scriptural manipulations & contortions to pursue a belief that is clearly contrary to the revealed Word.
Thanks brother for clarifying this important position that believers must take - standing against teachings contrary to the Truth, yet prepared to clearly defend one's position by searching the Scriptures.
Genesis 7:7: "And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood."
1 Peter 3:20: "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, EIGHT SOULS were saved by water."
You're referring to a reply of mine to "Ruby Lea Read?
You stated Your friends told you not to give any personal info , be careful to protect my identity on the internet etc , I'm still learning the rules . I'm shy , I'm guessing others are too , surely we are all allowed to be a bit cagey when it comes to personal info ? Doesn't the message matter more than the messenger ?
HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS QUESTIONING THE IDENTITY?
The truth and deception could have easily been the message.
I agree that the message is what's all important.
As Paul said in Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth"
I feel we should take that approach also, With BOLDNESS!!
Now concerning this doctrine, it is familiar.
Recently presented by
Earl Bowman.
Prophecy.
and Old man Wilson.
Their beliefs were,
There is no consequences to sin,
There is no Hell.
and we all will become God's.
THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS!!
We are not saved from any wrath so there is no salvation.
So this doctrine renders the Love of God shown in John 3:16 a mistake or unnecessary.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I hope my disagreeing to this ( no matter who is preaching it) doesn't bother you.
Hi Uncelebrated. As you've read the whole Book of Jude, the emphasis is in v 4, "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." This speaks of those who entered the Church & were teaching & leading people away from the Truths they received, even from the Lord Jesus Christ.
And Jude gives further examples of those influenced by wickedness & being led away, as those among the angels who departed & of those of Sodom & Gomorrah who gave themselves over to all manner of wickedness (vv 6,7).
Israel, who received a wonderful liberation from Egyptian bondage, experienced the LORD's Hand upon them in their journeyings to the Promised Land, in spite of their complaints & frustrations. Though these were God's special people, receiving His Favor & Blessings, they were still unregenerate & living in the flesh. They needed the continual teaching & direction of Moses to be kept on the path of trust in God & perseverance, but even Moses despaired of them; as we also read the Apostle's Pauls account of their behavior in 1 Corinthians 10:1-11. All who sinned against the LORD perished in the wilderness - never seeing the Promised Land.
So the warning in Jude (& 2 Corinthians), is to believers to not follow after those, even those in their midst or congregations, who are divisive & trying to pervert God's Word, leading believers away from the Truth. These people stand condemned by God & will suffer even as those who choose to follow their pernicious ways.
Yet, for the true believer, not the counterfeits, the Spirit within them will gently correct even chastise the erring ones that they might apprehend the Truth. If they continue to disobey, then the life will be removed so that Jesus' Name will no longer be shamed, even before unbelievers, that the spirit might be saved in that coming day ( 1 Corinthians 5:5).
Prayer (continued) I have seen a couple times how the Lord was able to be glorified in difficult marriage situations. One case involved a client where I used to be employed who was going through a divorce apparently from a very abusive man who wasn't seeking it but because of the pressure from her estranged husbnad was going through the proceedings. She asked to pray with me about it and I asked for God's will to be done. Eventually within a couple years the man passed from this earth unexpectantly. This lady demonstrated unconditional love toward this man despite what had been a long history of threatenings and troubles. Admittedly she seemed to have some issues of her own; but nonetheless it seems the prayer was answered according to His will.
The second situation involved an alcoholic husband who last summer was back into rehab after a relapse. It appears that he wasn't violent toward his wife; but nonetheless she requested prayer at the time. He also died shortly after with the damage to his liver. Her joyful countenance throughout these struggles that also involved other family members and grandchildren was a great demonstration of faith in difficult circumstances.
Sadly there are cases where tragic events happen even for those who we pray for regularly. There is no doubt; however that prayer affects things; most notably in scripture when prayer was given all night for Peter in jail in Acts 12:5-17. Of course that worked for Paul and Silas during their midnight prayer and praise as well in Acts 16. My point is that we may or may not know the results of those who we don't know or aren't present with physically; but we are like minded with those who are suffering for His Name's sake.
Of course in order to give thanksgiving for all things we need to have a TRUST in God that He works out all things for the good for those who LOVE HIM. ( Romans 8:28). That holds true to our death in whatever form He chooses.
Gen. 7:16 And they that went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. (flesh) #1320: Hebrew: body, person, (by euphem.) the pudenda of a man:- body, (fat,lean) flesh (-ed) (man-) kind,+ nakedness, self, skin. 2 went in from all races.
Love , gentleness , peace and kindness , to you and everyone on here . We must be gentle and kind and forgiving towards each other and not quick to pounce on each other even if we think we have a right to do so , that would be our own pride speaking to us . When we think we see a fault in some one , remember to remove the plank of wood from our own eye first . We are all valuable on here , precious to our Saviour who is listening and watching always , he is our judge . Psalm 86 . Peace to you .
1 Jn.3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brothers righteous.
In prayer; specifically we need to trust in God. One example recently from a gentleman in church who confided to me about his long term estrangement from his wife meant that I had to pray "in my closet" initially. Now that another has brought up the subject I am able to pray with them on that subject. I also got to see how God is answering the prayer; namely with the kids she has in an "Awana" youth group who begged their mom to go and hence she got to attend the event with her kids once or twice as a result of that. She apparently is hostile enough to have thrown out pamphlets before from this event so that gives further insight. Finally; after giving a general appeal without specifics for the man to my pastor as to his personal issues; I found out that he may indeed not be truly saved due to some doctrinal issues; despite his obvious loving stance toward his 2 youngest kids.
Another interesting example comes from not just my current church but a former one that I attended in Pittsburgh. The similar factor was the extensive campaign to pass out literature advertising the church. These seemed disastrous in terms of boosting attendance; but website information was surprisingly consistent in almost weekly additions to new attendees which I am starting to see here but to a lesser magnitude as yet. A big part of the lesson here is that God draws those He sees fit to; and is more often than not those already believers or those searching for truth. Consistant evangelism is something which eventually produces results; although I had seen that more in small groups in the past who would meet at home studies and that was among my friends who came from several different fellowships who reguarly did street witnessing; and in some cases prison fellowship. As to my point; God has brought more people in the door; but perhaps by a different method than expected.
Thus; longsuffering and perseverance brings results in many cases; and especially in prayer.
How can there be a deception if no one is deceived ? My friends told me not to give any personal info , be careful to protect my identity on the internet etc , I'm still learning the rules . I'm shy , I'm guessing others are too , surely we are all allowed to be a bit cagey when it comes to personal info ? Doesn't the message matter more than the messenger ? I have female relatives who always say they are men in chat rooms etc , just to keep safe . Live and let live I think in these circumstances , people may have reasons that you , we , aren't aware of ? Peace to you brother .
As a final sidenote; Mescesh and Tubal have been ascribed as Moscow and another Russian city with the name of the second reference. It depends who you talk to in that regard; the point I would state is that DESCENDANTS with those names generally went to certain regions as well as specific cities. It seems that Russia leads the invasion along with a league of others; and that specifically indicates their alliance now with Turkey as well as Iran. Syria certainly is involved as well at least with present alliances; and if we look at recent history the Orthodox church is a common denominator as well which ties these nations together. It seems Isaiah 17 could happen in the Psalm 83 event and/or previous to the Ezekiel 38 event and could be caused by an Israeli strike. Time will tell.
(1) And he said: "Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death."
(2) Jesus says:
(1) "The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds.
(2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed.
(3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished.
(4) And he will be king over the All."
(3) Jesus says:
(1) "If those who lead you say to you: 'Look, the kingdom is in the sky!' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you: 'It is in the sea,' then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you."
(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."
As you can see they do not make a great deal of sense presumably because they are out of context?
Any ideas as to where I can find more understandable direct quotations will be welcome.
Thank you
Roy
You're partially right.
see my reply to Chris.
God bless.
That msg I sent was supposed to be cryptic! And apparently it was!
What is so astonishing is that yourself, Gigi, and Sammi is sort of correct.
I was questioning the Identity.
And I also was questioning the doctrine.
That was my way of asking Ruby Lea "are you Earl Bowman?"
The doctrine and style/dialog is Identical to Old man Wilson, Prophecy and Earls.
If this message of salvation ends up where everyone is born again whether you believe or not, Why is it so important to press it at the point of changing Identity to do so?
Our message has consequences!
The message must be preached and one must believe!
If I could pull off a Jacob to get it across I probably would.
However there's no need for that for either.
Now if this is "that doctrine" where EVERYONE is saved and become gods, THAT IS NOT TRUTH!
God bless.
Hope this helps God bless
Christian answer net
Such a great event as Noah's Flood would surely have left evidence to be found today. For instance, one would expect to find billions of dead creatures buried by water in mud and sand (now hardened to rock). And that is exactly what scientists do find around the world.
Thousands of dinosaur bones can be found where they were washed together by violent flood waters and buried under mud, sand and rock. Many of the animals were torn apart and their bones broken and jumbled. The muds and sands often hardened like concrete to form the great layers of fossil rocks we find today.
Dinosaur bone buried on stone.
Quick flood burial would be the only way that so many dinosaurs and other things could have become fossilized in the way scientists have found
Paul and any other author of any other book in the Bible wrote those writtings for the people living at their time. But they serve as teachings for all people of all time.
If you have a closer look at those verses and read carefully the chapters where those verses are in then you will understand their meaning. GBU
"Oh yes, she's the sister we don't talk about."
And then she was chosen to be in the lineage of Jesus!
framing a person to shame them for what her father actually did.
thank you.
I seldom get asked to elaborate on what I share but am always ready to support further what I write without harboring any unpleasant thoughts about the questioner. And this has been the case throughout the Bible, especially the NT where the apostles had to continually correct wrong teaching given, and when they knew particular ones in error, even name them. So what makes one person right & the other wrong? Nothing, except that both should carefully examine the Word & discuss the matter until the Truth is revealed. There are some things that may never be clear or convincing to another, but when doctrines of salvation, re-birth, heaven, hell, destiny of the soul, etc., are discussed, there is much in the Word that will direct us to a proper end. It would take much scriptural manipulations & contortions to pursue a belief that is clearly contrary to the revealed Word.
Thanks brother for clarifying this important position that believers must take - standing against teachings contrary to the Truth, yet prepared to clearly defend one's position by searching the Scriptures.
1 Peter 3:20: "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, EIGHT SOULS were saved by water."
You're referring to a reply of mine to "Ruby Lea Read?
You stated Your friends told you not to give any personal info , be careful to protect my identity on the internet etc , I'm still learning the rules . I'm shy , I'm guessing others are too , surely we are all allowed to be a bit cagey when it comes to personal info ? Doesn't the message matter more than the messenger ?
HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS QUESTIONING THE IDENTITY?
The truth and deception could have easily been the message.
I agree that the message is what's all important.
As Paul said in Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth"
I feel we should take that approach also, With BOLDNESS!!
Now concerning this doctrine, it is familiar.
Recently presented by
Earl Bowman.
Prophecy.
and Old man Wilson.
Their beliefs were,
There is no consequences to sin,
There is no Hell.
and we all will become God's.
THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS!!
We are not saved from any wrath so there is no salvation.
So this doctrine renders the Love of God shown in John 3:16 a mistake or unnecessary.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I hope my disagreeing to this ( no matter who is preaching it) doesn't bother you.
God bless.
And Jude gives further examples of those influenced by wickedness & being led away, as those among the angels who departed & of those of Sodom & Gomorrah who gave themselves over to all manner of wickedness (vv 6,7).
Israel, who received a wonderful liberation from Egyptian bondage, experienced the LORD's Hand upon them in their journeyings to the Promised Land, in spite of their complaints & frustrations. Though these were God's special people, receiving His Favor & Blessings, they were still unregenerate & living in the flesh. They needed the continual teaching & direction of Moses to be kept on the path of trust in God & perseverance, but even Moses despaired of them; as we also read the Apostle's Pauls account of their behavior in 1 Corinthians 10:1-11. All who sinned against the LORD perished in the wilderness - never seeing the Promised Land.
So the warning in Jude (& 2 Corinthians), is to believers to not follow after those, even those in their midst or congregations, who are divisive & trying to pervert God's Word, leading believers away from the Truth. These people stand condemned by God & will suffer even as those who choose to follow their pernicious ways.
Yet, for the true believer, not the counterfeits, the Spirit within them will gently correct even chastise the erring ones that they might apprehend the Truth. If they continue to disobey, then the life will be removed so that Jesus' Name will no longer be shamed, even before unbelievers, that the spirit might be saved in that coming day ( 1 Corinthians 5:5).
Prayer (continued) I have seen a couple times how the Lord was able to be glorified in difficult marriage situations. One case involved a client where I used to be employed who was going through a divorce apparently from a very abusive man who wasn't seeking it but because of the pressure from her estranged husbnad was going through the proceedings. She asked to pray with me about it and I asked for God's will to be done. Eventually within a couple years the man passed from this earth unexpectantly. This lady demonstrated unconditional love toward this man despite what had been a long history of threatenings and troubles. Admittedly she seemed to have some issues of her own; but nonetheless it seems the prayer was answered according to His will.
The second situation involved an alcoholic husband who last summer was back into rehab after a relapse. It appears that he wasn't violent toward his wife; but nonetheless she requested prayer at the time. He also died shortly after with the damage to his liver. Her joyful countenance throughout these struggles that also involved other family members and grandchildren was a great demonstration of faith in difficult circumstances.
Sadly there are cases where tragic events happen even for those who we pray for regularly. There is no doubt; however that prayer affects things; most notably in scripture when prayer was given all night for Peter in jail in Acts 12:5-17. Of course that worked for Paul and Silas during their midnight prayer and praise as well in Acts 16. My point is that we may or may not know the results of those who we don't know or aren't present with physically; but we are like minded with those who are suffering for His Name's sake.
Of course in order to give thanksgiving for all things we need to have a TRUST in God that He works out all things for the good for those who LOVE HIM. ( Romans 8:28). That holds true to our death in whatever form He chooses.
Agape
I agree with ever word you spoke in your comment.
I have a question, and would like your to meditate on that question?
All the scriptures you quoted about being born again now; instead of later, at the death of this body, were written 1900 years ago.
You were not born as of yet but your were already born again.
God always speaks as if it has already happen, in his eyes the works are finished.
Psalms 90:9 .....we spend our years as a tale that is (already) told.
Hebrews 4:3 ..... the works were finished from the foundations of the world.
1 Timothy 4:10 ....who is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.
God Bless You!
In prayer; specifically we need to trust in God. One example recently from a gentleman in church who confided to me about his long term estrangement from his wife meant that I had to pray "in my closet" initially. Now that another has brought up the subject I am able to pray with them on that subject. I also got to see how God is answering the prayer; namely with the kids she has in an "Awana" youth group who begged their mom to go and hence she got to attend the event with her kids once or twice as a result of that. She apparently is hostile enough to have thrown out pamphlets before from this event so that gives further insight. Finally; after giving a general appeal without specifics for the man to my pastor as to his personal issues; I found out that he may indeed not be truly saved due to some doctrinal issues; despite his obvious loving stance toward his 2 youngest kids.
Another interesting example comes from not just my current church but a former one that I attended in Pittsburgh. The similar factor was the extensive campaign to pass out literature advertising the church. These seemed disastrous in terms of boosting attendance; but website information was surprisingly consistent in almost weekly additions to new attendees which I am starting to see here but to a lesser magnitude as yet. A big part of the lesson here is that God draws those He sees fit to; and is more often than not those already believers or those searching for truth. Consistant evangelism is something which eventually produces results; although I had seen that more in small groups in the past who would meet at home studies and that was among my friends who came from several different fellowships who reguarly did street witnessing; and in some cases prison fellowship. As to my point; God has brought more people in the door; but perhaps by a different method than expected.
Thus; longsuffering and perseverance brings results in many cases; and especially in prayer.