Alex1939 We have to have the True Words of God today or you wouldn't even know that Jesus died on a cross for the sins of the world. I didn't say words save anybody anywhere in my comments. But the Words of the LORD are pure Words that are the only Truth we have, our instructions from God in this evil world today. We have Gods Words and we have mans corrupt words. Did you know that the Words that Jesus spoke will judge the dead at the great white throne judgment? Jn.12:46-48, 46. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47. And if any man hear ((my words)), and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48. He that rejecteth me, and ((receiveth not my words)), hath one that judgeth him: ((the word that I have spoken)), the same shall judge him in the last day. Now we look at Rev.20:11-12, 11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and ((the books)) were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Those books that are opened to judge the dead in the last day are ((the Words of Jesus Christ)), Jn.12:48 tell us this is true. Jer.23:36 tells us that (perverting) the words of the living God, is changing His Word! All modern versions change His Words, and All modern versions are corrupt. those corrupt books will not be the books that judge the dead at the great white throne judgement! The 66 books in the KJB are the books, (the Words of Jesus Christ) that will be opened to judge them in the last day. Mt.24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.) Jn.1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Well said and thankyou , I can't believe that anyone still needs that explaining to them when it's there in black and white , are we all reading the same book ? I do wonder sometimes . May God open all of our eyes and ears and hearts and brains to His Living Word .
Hello, is this a genuine question? I noticed someone using a different name in the discussions just now trying to push this topic and preach his opinions, could this be you?
I know Ezekiel 13 is talking about how much God hates false prophets. But it also shows the insanity of punishing the innocent and coddling the wicked.
19 "And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?"
Specifically where it says- ".....to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live....."
My first thought was about our court system that coddles rapists and murderers and there's no justice for the victims of these crimes, and panders to irresponsible women who use abortions as birth control.
Who wrote Ecclesiastes??? Solomon??? Even he saw the stupidity of letting the wicked go free.
Ecclesiastes 8:11
"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."
1 Timothy 1:
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
I'm in favor of the death penalty for the worst offenders: murderers and rapists (of men, women, boys, girls, babies and animals. Fornication outside of marriage is a horrible sin.)
Chris thank you again for your reply. Do you believe that God preserved His Word for ever? Ps.12:6-7 Is His promise to do just that. The word pure in v.6 means unadulterated, uncontaminated, sound, clean. The subject is the (words) of the LORD. If something is contaminated is it pure? If something is adulterated is it clean? If you (change) was is pure, then it becomes contaminated, thats what Jer.23:36 tells us false prophets and pastors do to the (words of the living God). Mt.4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by (every word) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Deut.8:3 ..., that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by (every word) that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD is pure, not to be contaminated or changed, remember Ps.12:6-7 is Gods promise to preserve His words for ever. 1 Pet.1:25 But the word of the Lord (endureth for ever). And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. We are told in 2 Tim.4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine: but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. The word doctrine means instruction, (the function or the information) learning, teaching. Our doctrine is whatever Bible we learn or teach from, it is the instructions given to us by the LORD Himself. His promise to preserve His Words for ever! Modern versions are corrupt. Heres an example (KJB) Ps.10:4-5 v4 is speaking of The wicked. v.5 says His ways are always (grievous) now the same verses in the Niv v.5 says His ways are always (prosperous) The niv is not sound doctrine! Heres one more. (KJB) Eccl.8:10 I saw the wicked buried, and they were (forgotten) Niv Eccl.8:10 I saw the wicked buried, they receive (praise) The Niv is perverted!
Did Enoch not die in the flood? No. He is with the Father.
If Cain's descendents died in the flood, why are the Kenites talked about after the flood? Numbers 24:21-22 further showing that Kenites came from Cain and survived the flood.
The sons of Anak the Anakin also survived the flood. They were the giants in Genesis 6:4 & Numbers 13:33.
It is written that Noah brought on the ark two of ALL unclean flesh and seven pairs of clean flesh. Then he was to bring the animals,birds and insects.
The animals are mentioned AFTER all flesh.
Why do they the Kenites walk the earth now? They claim to be Jews but are not. Name stealers.
I do not remember reading anywhere that Satan murdered anyone but Cain murdered his brother Abel.and was said to be the first murderer. So if he was not talking about Cain the first murderer who is he talking about?
If only eight souls were saved when YAHWEH flood the earth then how did the Nephilim come about to walk the earth again after the flood? They are talked about before and after the flood.
Spencer Luv ya ...But you do greatly err....Spewing "man will neva be God. man will always be finite"...Have ya neva read 1st Cor..15:53...This corruption must put on incorruption and this mortality must put immortality.....We will be changed in a moment in a twinkling of the eye ...We are gonna put on immortality and incorruption....Do you not understand there is gonna be a Marriage....I saw the N.J. Coming down from heaven as bride adorned for her husband....Thus we will be married to Christ who is God the son REV 20:15....Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came it made them Gods...Thus there will be no more finite for mankind....And the scriptures cannot be broken....Do you not feel guilty saying the words of our lord are Heresy....You are in essence saying the words of our lord are herical and sinister...I pray for you....I should not have to tells ya this but a marriage is when 2 are made 1....Rememeber his prayer in John 17:21...Father make them 1 as we are 1...Which is the mariage supper of the lamb....Which is also the 2 nd coming....
As far as I'm aware any of us can call ourselves anything we want to on here . What difference does it make ? I could have called myself Rumplestiltskin if I had wanted to . I wish I had thought of that sooner . I think I said this already , it's the message that matters not the messenger , I always assume that I might not be getting someone's real name on any site I visit , doesn't bother me one bit . I would rather spend my time trying to think of something Bible related and maybe useful to others on here to post , rather than talking about others in a negative way . So many other sites I visit are full of people , supposed Christians some of them , doing nothing other than talking about other people negatively , I hope this site isn't going to go the way of all the others ,the way if the world . I shall disappear from here as quickly as I disappear from those other sites if it starts to be more about that sort of thing rather than the Bible .
So what happened? What was once delivered & correct, came into other hands to translate into their respective languages, using whatever copies of writings/manuscripts that they deemed worthy (usually the oldest ones were preferred, which were not necessarily the best for accuracy). Is this then still God's Word (KJV, NIV, other English translations, plus the Bible translated into & available in other languages)?
Though the KJV is the more preferred (by some anyway) for its accuracy & reliability from the Textus Receptus MS, it is still known for some 'errors' however minor (copyist or printer), just as any other version. Does this make the KJV flawed, unreliable & equal to the other versions? No. I believe that the KJV is still superior to the others by its faithfulness to the original (reliable) texts & God has blessed this work of translation that has come to us. Can no other translation be used of God & be effective in soul-winning & Bible teaching? God can use His Word in spite of human weakness or even human wilfulness in translating it, to draw men to Him.
For this at least, we should be content that the Word can be read by so many in the World & the Holy Spirit is still working before people & in people, that takes the sinner or saint into those deeper Truths where translators may have fallen short. God will not miraculously remove all other versions of the Bible in existence, nor expect us to attempt to do so, but He can still use the Word that's in our hands to direct our hearts. The Lord knows our weaknesses & how men have treated His Word, but He promises to continue to use His Word, sending it out & accomplishing all that He wills ( Isaiah 55:11).
To share my thoughts on your comment, Jimbob. 2 Peter 1:20,21: in this final letter before his decease, the Apostle Peter is essentially warning believers of what was taking place then & what was to come as far as false teaching was concerned. In this first chapter, Peter cites the Word of God given to His prophets to proclaim to His people. They were not "cunningly devised fables" as others did, constructing their own devilish message by perverting God's Word. But Peter spoke as one being an unquestionable witness to the Lord Jesus, to God's Presence on the Mount & to His Word there ("this is My beloved Son") & to the death & resurrection of Jesus and to His Promise of returning again. So it is a "more sure word of prophecy": prophecy of Jesus in the OT fulfilled, & of His second Coming that will be fulfilled.
As the OT prophets of God spoke God's Word directly, receiving it from the Mouth of God (as opposed to the false prophets of that day; as you rightly quoted Jeremiah chapter 23), Peter confirms that the (true) prophets' word was without the involvement of their Will & perceptions, but came as the Holy Spirit moved in them to hear & record it. So, we know that the LORD from Heaven, His Holy Spirit, & the prophets who doubtless trembled as the Word came to them (as intimated in Jeremiah 5:22 & Ezra 10:3), delivered God's Word accurately & in its entirety.
Then we have the recorders, whether of Moses, David, Solomon & the prophets to write down the message as they were moved by the Spirit to write. Those writings/prophecies had to be meticulously guarded & correctly uttered. As copies were made over the centuries, accuracy was important & was retained. Even as Jesus read from Isaiah 61:1,2 (in Luke 4:17-19), He confirmed the accuracy & currency of the Torah ( Luke 4:21) by calling it "Scripture". So we know that till then, the Word of God was correct in its entirety.
Hello Dgjot, Haven't heard from you for a while. Are you doing o.k.?
I agree with you that many are deceived, both inside and outside of the church. But God know who are His and will bring the elect to salvation, even from very surprising circumstances and cultures. We can continue to pray for those we know who are without Christ and also hope to speak the "words of life" o the Gospel of Jesus to them, often we hope.
It is good to have you posting here again. I pray that you are uplifted in your spirit and enjoying peaceful, joyful fellowship in the Lord.
Agreed S. Spencer, If this truly is Earl, I wish you would just come clean and say so. Earl has posted under several guises before. Originally as Earl Bowman, then as His initials, then as Old Man Wilson, and (thing) Preacher, as S. Spencer has mentioned. So, if this is Earl and not truly Ruby, please inform us of this. If it truly is a woman named Ruby, then we can go from there.
But honesty is better and those who post under "false pretense" should be avoided since they cannot be truthful with us on here who are serious about integrity and the spiritual health of those on this site.
Mark 12:32- And the scribe said unto him (Him=Jesus)
Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
This was before Jesus was crucified, and God raised Him from the dead, and He ascended into heaven, and the Holy Spirit came down to earth to dwell among us.
Jews and Mozlems to this day, deny that Jesus is the Son of God, and reject Him and Salvation through Him.
You can't reason with Jesus deniers. They have been deceived. Their minds are closed. All you can do is pray for those people.
Hi Jerry. In answer to your first question, I believe that "to keep the way of the tree of life" is to keep the way "closed". The Hebrew word for this means: "to keep, to watch or preserve". So, the placing of the cherubims with flaming sword was to secure or guard the way(s) to that tree (of life) so that no one could ever take of that fruit & live forever in a state of irretrievable corruption. The fact that Adam & Eve disobeyed God by eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil, made their spirits corrupt through sin, but at least there was hope for them in lives & death. If the Tree of Life was then eaten, their state of corruption in sin would have been final & irredeemable.
While Adam & Eve were pure & innocent, I believe that they could have eaten the fruit of any of the trees ( Genesis 2:16,17), except the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. But once they sinned by disobedience to God, the eternal life that they had would have been taken away and left them in a state of eternal death & separation from their Maker.
The Word of God teaches us in 1 Cor. 2:14 that the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.
This is why those communicating their messages in this 'forum' so often use the word 'discerning' while the 'Word of God' is not of any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20). This is why it also teaches; that anyone that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man ( 1 Cor. 2:15).
Furthermore, the Spirit of truth cannot be received by this world ( John 14:17) as this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9).
May we suggest you search the words 'a world deceived' an learn how you may know the difference between the 'natural' and the 'spiritual' body ( 1 Cor. 15:44).
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
Please remember, the above words are not our words but from the 'Word of God' and they are according to the 'Spirit of Truth' ( John 14:17).
It is God's will for all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth ( 1 Timothy 2:4) but not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven ( Matthew 7:21).
Many will say unto me that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? ( Matthew 7:22).
And then will I profess unto themI never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity ( Matthew 7:23).
The first prerequisite to start your journey of repentance is to be able to acknowledge that you are a sinner and separated from God. This has been made almost impossible because of people's natural conditioning ( Matthew 19:23-26), as the devil (your natural spirit) has you convinced through man-made teachings and religious doctrines, that you are a child of God ( Matthew 15:7-9).
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2 Peter 2:1-2
That's something important to remember, especially for me. It tells me I shouldn't get so worked up.
I'm glad that you are doing well. I am doing much better. Recovering from hand surgery now.
19 "And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?"
Specifically where it says- ".....to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live....."
My first thought was about our court system that coddles rapists and murderers and there's no justice for the victims of these crimes, and panders to irresponsible women who use abortions as birth control.
Who wrote Ecclesiastes??? Solomon??? Even he saw the stupidity of letting the wicked go free.
Ecclesiastes 8:11
"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."
1 Timothy 1:
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
I'm in favor of the death penalty for the worst offenders: murderers and rapists (of men, women, boys, girls, babies and animals. Fornication outside of marriage is a horrible sin.)
What do you think?
If Cain's descendents died in the flood, why are the Kenites talked about after the flood? Numbers 24:21-22 further showing that Kenites came from Cain and survived the flood.
The sons of Anak the Anakin also survived the flood. They were the giants in Genesis 6:4 & Numbers 13:33.
It is written that Noah brought on the ark two of ALL unclean flesh and seven pairs of clean flesh. Then he was to bring the animals,birds and insects.
The animals are mentioned AFTER all flesh.
Why do they the Kenites walk the earth now? They claim to be Jews but are not. Name stealers.
I do not remember reading anywhere that Satan murdered anyone but Cain murdered his brother Abel.and was said to be the first murderer. So if he was not talking about Cain the first murderer who is he talking about?
So what happened? What was once delivered & correct, came into other hands to translate into their respective languages, using whatever copies of writings/manuscripts that they deemed worthy (usually the oldest ones were preferred, which were not necessarily the best for accuracy). Is this then still God's Word (KJV, NIV, other English translations, plus the Bible translated into & available in other languages)?
Though the KJV is the more preferred (by some anyway) for its accuracy & reliability from the Textus Receptus MS, it is still known for some 'errors' however minor (copyist or printer), just as any other version. Does this make the KJV flawed, unreliable & equal to the other versions? No. I believe that the KJV is still superior to the others by its faithfulness to the original (reliable) texts & God has blessed this work of translation that has come to us. Can no other translation be used of God & be effective in soul-winning & Bible teaching? God can use His Word in spite of human weakness or even human wilfulness in translating it, to draw men to Him.
For this at least, we should be content that the Word can be read by so many in the World & the Holy Spirit is still working before people & in people, that takes the sinner or saint into those deeper Truths where translators may have fallen short. God will not miraculously remove all other versions of the Bible in existence, nor expect us to attempt to do so, but He can still use the Word that's in our hands to direct our hearts. The Lord knows our weaknesses & how men have treated His Word, but He promises to continue to use His Word, sending it out & accomplishing all that He wills ( Isaiah 55:11).
To share my thoughts on your comment, Jimbob. 2 Peter 1:20,21: in this final letter before his decease, the Apostle Peter is essentially warning believers of what was taking place then & what was to come as far as false teaching was concerned. In this first chapter, Peter cites the Word of God given to His prophets to proclaim to His people. They were not "cunningly devised fables" as others did, constructing their own devilish message by perverting God's Word. But Peter spoke as one being an unquestionable witness to the Lord Jesus, to God's Presence on the Mount & to His Word there ("this is My beloved Son") & to the death & resurrection of Jesus and to His Promise of returning again. So it is a "more sure word of prophecy": prophecy of Jesus in the OT fulfilled, & of His second Coming that will be fulfilled.
As the OT prophets of God spoke God's Word directly, receiving it from the Mouth of God (as opposed to the false prophets of that day; as you rightly quoted Jeremiah chapter 23), Peter confirms that the (true) prophets' word was without the involvement of their Will & perceptions, but came as the Holy Spirit moved in them to hear & record it. So, we know that the LORD from Heaven, His Holy Spirit, & the prophets who doubtless trembled as the Word came to them (as intimated in Jeremiah 5:22 & Ezra 10:3), delivered God's Word accurately & in its entirety.
Then we have the recorders, whether of Moses, David, Solomon & the prophets to write down the message as they were moved by the Spirit to write. Those writings/prophecies had to be meticulously guarded & correctly uttered. As copies were made over the centuries, accuracy was important & was retained. Even as Jesus read from Isaiah 61:1,2 (in Luke 4:17-19), He confirmed the accuracy & currency of the Torah ( Luke 4:21) by calling it "Scripture". So we know that till then, the Word of God was correct in its entirety.
I agree with you that many are deceived, both inside and outside of the church. But God know who are His and will bring the elect to salvation, even from very surprising circumstances and cultures. We can continue to pray for those we know who are without Christ and also hope to speak the "words of life" o the Gospel of Jesus to them, often we hope.
It is good to have you posting here again. I pray that you are uplifted in your spirit and enjoying peaceful, joyful fellowship in the Lord.
But honesty is better and those who post under "false pretense" should be avoided since they cannot be truthful with us on here who are serious about integrity and the spiritual health of those on this site.
Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
This was before Jesus was crucified, and God raised Him from the dead, and He ascended into heaven, and the Holy Spirit came down to earth to dwell among us.
Jews and Mozlems to this day, deny that Jesus is the Son of God, and reject Him and Salvation through Him.
You can't reason with Jesus deniers. They have been deceived. Their minds are closed. All you can do is pray for those people.
I'm sorry but I have no interest in reading that,
We have said our peace, between you and I some time ago.
We have nothing in common in our theology and you know this.
We will have to just agree to disagree.
Thanks.
While Adam & Eve were pure & innocent, I believe that they could have eaten the fruit of any of the trees ( Genesis 2:16,17), except the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. But once they sinned by disobedience to God, the eternal life that they had would have been taken away and left them in a state of eternal death & separation from their Maker.
we must trust & know 100%
that we are saved by our savior,
the sacrificial lamb
{{{the perfect sacrifice}}} and thru him only.
noone else could have saved us but him.
we must know we cannot get to heaven by our works,
but,
at the same time we are to be the salt & the light to the non believers in the world around us,.
i feel that ther is a thin line between
works vs. living by our father in heavens
commandments out of true love & respect. like someone commented,
the holy spirit changes us,
its being delivered from our former worldly selfish & materialistic life, to our new life,
not of the world. its definitely a spiritual transformation once we truly surrender fully, this is wen we start our walk with our savior.
and its a true desire to express our love & 100% faith in the holy trinity.
by us surrendering ourselves and wanting to serve him in any way that we can.
we that love the holy trinity with all our heart, mind, body, spirit & soul long for the moment we can be with god, as
we seek his face daily!!!!
lol.
and i know that i and probably all of u will
not even be able to look upon the father & son wen the time comes!
we will be laying down in the dirt
while crying our eyes out &
surely we will be unable to speak,
compared to them we are filthy as the dirt we will
lay & cry in.
The Word of God teaches us in 1 Cor. 2:14 that the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.
This is why those communicating their messages in this 'forum' so often use the word 'discerning' while the 'Word of God' is not of any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20). This is why it also teaches; that anyone that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man ( 1 Cor. 2:15).
Furthermore, the Spirit of truth cannot be received by this world ( John 14:17) as this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9).
May we suggest you search the words 'a world deceived' an learn how you may know the difference between the 'natural' and the 'spiritual' body ( 1 Cor. 15:44).
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
Please remember, the above words are not our words but from the 'Word of God' and they are according to the 'Spirit of Truth' ( John 14:17).
It is God's will for all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth ( 1 Timothy 2:4) but not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven ( Matthew 7:21).
Many will say unto me that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? ( Matthew 7:22).
And then will I profess unto themI never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity ( Matthew 7:23).
The first prerequisite to start your journey of repentance is to be able to acknowledge that you are a sinner and separated from God. This has been made almost impossible because of people's natural conditioning ( Matthew 19:23-26), as the devil (your natural spirit) has you convinced through man-made teachings and religious doctrines, that you are a child of God ( Matthew 15:7-9).
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2 Peter 2:1-2
That's something important to remember, especially for me. It tells me I shouldn't get so worked up.
Thanks and God bless.