Hiya Barbara...Lemme give ya my slant on the lake of fire...And Rev 20:15...One of my favorite scriptures...And Hebrews 12:29....Our God is a consuming fire...and Luke 12:49....I come to bring fire on the earth...Which is his baptism of the H.G. and fire...Which answers to the book of life that NEW covenant in his blood...Plz listen with your heart to Rev 20:15...If any man was not found written in the book of life ( that New Covenant in his blood) he was cast into the lake of fire...Which is that fire that Jesus said he wanted to bring on the earth...That new covenant in his blood...Remember our God is a consuming fire which is baptism of the H.G. and fire...
..... Malachi 3:2 kjv....Who shall abide the day of his coming...( 2 nd coming )...Who shall stand when he appears for he shall be as a REFINERS FIRE and fullers soap a cleasing fire...That FIRE that Jesus wants to bring to all the world...H.G. FIRE...He is gonna wash everyone of us with his spirit...Which is the H.g. the gift of God....I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh..
.....Thus there will be no more death or hell...As our God is a consuming fire that is gonna consume satan and his angels...Which is mans carnal minds...Satans seat..reAnd that y we must be bornagain of that incorruptible seed which are the words of that NEW COVENANT that he wrote with his own blood....That book of life....Thats y the scrip. is saying if anyman was not found written in the book of life ( washed in the blood of the lamb ) ....He was cast into the lake of fire...Baptism of the H.G and fire...I will pour out of my spirit on ALL FLESH...Thats y Jesus was saying if I
be lifted up ( the blood ) I will draw ALL MEN unto me.
.....Thats y Jesus was saying Every sinner will have his part in the lake of fire...O thank you Jesus...Its God that is that LAKE OF FIRE....Thru baptism of the H.G AND FIRE...Remember Jesus rebuked James and John when they wanted to call down a literal fire on the samartians....Our God is th fire
I understand your question better , fire purges , makes clean , what cannot be cleaned by water shall be cleaned in fire , like gold and silver , fire is used to get rid of the impurities in gold and silver . It's used in Revelation as a metaphor . We will come through that cleansing purge if we are in Christ , everything else will be destroyed by that same fire . The fire will sort the wheat from the chaff , the chaff will be destroyed by the fire but for us in Christ it will cleanse us completely , a bit like the flood in Noah's day , the water was destruction to all those people who didn't believe God but to Noah and his family that water was like a baptism . Think of Daniels companions in the furnace , the flames didn't touch them or harm them because they belonged to God .
The power of death is sin , the flesh (us ) is weak and sinful . When all flesh is done away with satan will have no power to tempt anyone , he will be redundant and there won't be any flesh left for him to tempt into sin . We shall all be changed and be like Christ . God will be all in all , no more weak sinful flesh no more satan .
Hi Barbara. In Revelation 20:14,15, we read about this event that is way into the future. Hell is 'Hades' in Greek, which essentially means, 'the abode of the departed spirits'. According to Revelation 20:11-13, those who stand before God in that final judgement, with the books about their lives opened, have all been dead. And hell will be emptied out of those spirits of men that hated God, their bodies, whether in the earth or in the sea will be raised to stand trial before God. All will be judged and condemned into an eternity of endless torment & horror. The graves will be emptied & hell will be emptied. There's no more need for them. All that is evil & representative of evil will forever be cast aside.
Then the beauty & holiness of the New heaven (sky), the New Earth & the New Jerusalem (Revelation chapter 21), will renew all that was lost when mankind decided to rebel against his Maker.
I understand your position with the 'tribulation' that believers must go through, even escaping the Wrath of God (the Great Tribulation) that comes upon the World. Yet, I see that the Great Tribulation does not begin after the tribulations by the anti-Christ, but at the time of the anti-Christ's appearing ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1-7). Paul writes to the believers, in reference to Christ's Coming & their gathering together to meet Him (the Rapture of the saints). They were greatly troubled (affrighted, alarmed) by the false teaching given even false letters purporting to be from Paul himself, that the Day of Christ (or, Day of the Lord) had already begun, & they had missed it or were left out. Paul corrects them on this. That Day won't come till there's a great defection & rebellion against God & the anti-Christ be revealed. But what prevents the revealing of the anti-Christ? ( 2 Thessalonians 2:6,7). The Thessalonians already knew who or what constrains this revelation, but we're not told specifically by name. The only clue is "HE who now letteth..", which in Greek is "the one". If this One is God's Spirit (by my understanding), then it must mean that those with His Spirit are included; and this means that not only will believers be removed from the Earth, but the rest of Earth's inhabitants will no longer have the working of the Spirit before them or in them.
If God removes His Spirit from ministering on the Earth, this not only qualifies the removal of those so indwelt by Him & for evil to be let loose without constraint, but that the Day of the Lord has begun & the beginning of God's Wrath: first by His abandonment of the unbelieving world, then by the outpouring of His Anger & Judgement over it. The Day of the Lord will come suddenly upon them, as a thief comes, but that will not overtake those who believe, simply because we have not been appointed to receive God's Wrath for the world, but to receive His Salvation (we'll be gone). 1 Thessalonians 5:2-9.
I appreciate the ongoing discussion Jimbob we're having as very few are prepared to persevere in it. Yes, I did mention 'imminency & suddenness', but also mentioned 'readiness' ("In the NT, the command was for readiness"). We will have to leave that one, as after my revisiting those passages because of your comment, I still see that all three as adverbs are in use or implied, including, 'watchfulness'. We'll have to leave those Scriptures for other readers to examine.
Matthew 24:29-31. I read that as the Second Coming of Christ after the Great Tribulation days & that Jesus' rule upon the Earth will be with his elect living on the Earth at that time. It does not speak of those who will be instantly caught up to be with Christ (i.e. without the gathering of them together by the angels) & to be with Christ forever. Here, in the Rapture, those of the living & dead believers will be "changed" ( 1 Corinthians 15:52), i.e. physically reconstituted ("putting on incorruption") to be with Christ in the heavenlies, whereas this isn't a requirement for those 'of the elect' on the Earth who are gathered & relocated to Jerusalem (presumably).
Revelation 20:4-6 speaks of the vision that John received of all those who had laid down their lives for Christ. Not only those who came to believe in the Truth & resisted the Anti-Christ during his reign, but the multitudes since the Church's inception that have remained faithful to the Lord & willingly went to their deaths. Yes, we can suffer now (in tribulation), even as those who went before us, but this is part & parcel of following Christ ( John 16:33); including Romans 8:16-18; Philippians 1:29; 2 Thessalonians 1:4,5; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; etc (as you shared). I read this as the 'common' tribulation (trials of faith) that believers can experience, but not of the Great Tribulation (at the Day of the Lord).
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:21-28
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
I know many have this understanding of this abomination of desolation and applying it to Daniel 9:27. As you said it is in Daniel 9:27Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11 and only in 11:31 and 12:11 does it say the abomination that maketh desolate.
As what happened in 167 BC with Antiochus Epiphanies committed two blasphemous acts in the second Jewish temple by setting up an altar to the Greek god Zeus and also, he sacrificed a pig on the altar, and much more, that is thought something similar will happen in the future with the antichrist.
The abomination of desolation is this horrible person or beast that will do this action that is vile, vicious or terrible in the temple that is said to be rebuilt that makes it desolate. This being is the one who does the act to make it desolate.
If we look at Daniel 9:27 it says, "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate." For the overspreading of abominations, this is saying because of abominations they have done, he shall make it desolate, not what he does makes it desolate.
Jesus disrobes this in Matthew 23:24-37, and He says what we read in Daniel 9:27. Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For their abominations Jesus is the one who makes it desolate for the overspreading of abominations they have done and their rejection of Him. "and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. The Roman army and total destruction.
I agree they may flee from Judea in the future they did just before 70 AD the believers in Jesus fled to Pella a region across the Jordan river and were saved.
Jesse The tribes of the earth mourn, That would be every single person left on the earth because like you said not just the Jews will know at that time, Everybody left on the earth will face the wrath of God and at that time THEY KNOW IT., Rev.6:16-17 (16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: (17. For the great day of his wrath is come: and who shall be able to stand. Even those who pierced Him, they would be those who had done evil and will be resurrected to the resurrection of damnation. John.5:28-29 (28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (Those who have done evil will be resurrected from the graves unto the resurrection of damnation, this would have to be the wrath of God because that wrath starts the same day of the Coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds. 1.Thes.4:16 Tell us For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Those dead in Christ who shall rise first will rise from the grave unto the resurrection of life. They will be taken to the marriage supper of the Lamb, their soul and spirit will reunite, while the wrath of God and the resurrection of damnation is being poured out on the earth. Good to hear from you Jesse.
This is part of the study I did on Daniel 9:24-27, the six things, this is as short as I could get it.
Six things determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city.
Part 1
Determined, cut, to divide, hence to decree, to be determined, be decreed, and shall come upon thy people, be settled, be marked out.
To finish, prison a primitive root; to restrict, by an act, hold back or in or word prohibit -- finish, forbid, keep back, refrain, restrain, retain, shut up, be stayed, withhold. Also, can mean the bending or subduing of the will, "tame for the yoke". An animal or land that is tamed has been worked and is complete and ready for use. Taming includes; the construction of holding pens, putting the soil to the plow, and harvesting of the crops.
Determined upon Israel and Jerusalem
1. To finish the transgression
2. To make an end of sins
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity
4. To bring in everlasting righteousness
5. To seal up vision and prophecy 6. To anoint the most holy
This prophecy is determined for Daniel's people, Israel, the lost sheep, and the holy city, Jerusalem. Not the world and the nations of peoples, it is just Israel and the holy city. The six points above are what is determined, and can we verify if they have been fulfilled? None of these were fulfilled in the first sixty-nine weeks so, does scripture show us if these six things that were determined were fulfilled by the Messiah, Jesus?
Six things determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city.
Part 2
To finish the transgression
To finish; to withhold something from someone. transgression "transgress," to overpass as any rule prescribed as the limit of duty, to break or violate, as a law, civil or moral, the act of transgressing, rebellion, revolt, offend, that a penalty for the transgression a payment is due for the offense. Debt and transgressions, that they/we cannot pay, and the animal sacrifices fall short.
The only way anyone can stand before a just and holy God is if somebody is worthy and spotless to pay the debt. And the only one who has earned the right to pay that debt is the Messiah the Son of God and we have justification through Christ alone.
Jesus with a perfect life gave up his body to death; he fulfilled the first covenant of sacrificial law. His sacrifice is the redemption of the transgressions and the fulfillment of the first covenant of sacrificial law.
He became sin for us, and with his blood made the new covenant being the only mediator of the New Testament that we through faith in Jesus Christ receive the promise of eternal inheritance. Offered first to the house of Israel for He came first only for the lost sheep of Israel then was offered to the rest of the world.
Six things determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city.
Part 3
To make an end of sins.
To make an end; as put an end to/make an end to, affix a seal, to seal up, a document is rolled up and sealed with wet clay. The signet ring of the owner bears the image of his seal and is pressed into the clay. This is what was done by the Holy Spirit, 2 Cor. 1:22Eph. 1:132 Tim. 2:19.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Sin reaches for things, such as safety, knowledge, peace, happiness, and pleasure. Nevertheless, behind the act of good, sin ultimately creates a confrontation between obedience and rebellion. If not in faith, it is sin.
The covering of our sins was accomplished on the cross at Calvary. When he said IT IS FINISHED, he provided us with the garments (wedding garments) to cover our sins. Sin has not completely stopped yet but it is covered by the blood of Jesus and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
This passage points toward the Messiah who died because of our sins. In Jesus's death, punishment for our sins is paid for. Jesus's death we are dead to sin. Walking in the Spirit meant that we are trusting in Christ by faith to be made right before God, and not trusting in the law.
Whenever Paul speaks about walking after the flesh, it is in the context of trying to be made right before God by the law, which is equivalent to self-righteousness. I believe the prophecy is fulfilled in Jesus Christ and if we are in Jesus Christ, it is fulfilled for us. Praise God that Jesus Christ made an end of sins! As Jesus said from the cross, "It is finished!"
Six things determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city.
Part 4
To make reconciliation for iniquity
Reconciliation is an element of salvation that refers to the results of the atonement, to coat or cover, Isaiah 61:10Rev. 3:4Rev. 16:15, iniquity is guilt, crookedness, twistedness, perverseness, that which is not straight or upright, and moral distortion in the dark.
The word reconcile means to bring back to a former state of harmony, Jesus reconciled both Jew and Gentile unto God in one body by the cross and now through Jesus we both Jew and Gentile have access by one Spirit unto the Father, no more strangers or foreigners but fellow citizens. Making reconciliation for iniquity concerns our involvement in the work of salvation. God has reconciled himself to us and empowered us by his Spirit to reconcile ourselves to God and one another.
To bring in everlasting righteousness.
Everlasting, no end, long duration, antiquity, futurity, forever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, continuous existence. Righteousness, God's attribute, justice, mercy, loving-kindness, in conformity to the demands of the covenant, and according to God's will, fair and balanced.
Everlasting righteousness was what our Lord manifested in His sinless life. Jesus by His blood entered in once into the holy place not made by hands having obtained eternal redemption, everlasting, and in Jesus we have everlasting righteousness and salvation, through faith, given by grace from God, by the blood of the Lamb freely offered for us. We have no righteousness apart from Jesus Christ.
Six things determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city.
Part 5
To seal up vision and prophecy
Seal up, affix a seal, a seal in biblical times as today, is used to guarantee security or indicate ownership. Vision, God's communication with man, prophecy (w-n-), the same word for prophet, a divine vision, a vision spoken of a divine vision or dream, Isaiah 29:7 God spoke in times past through the prophets, but these last days spoke to us by his Son, Heb. 1:1-2.
The Mosaic Law and covenant pointed to Jesus. He sealed them up, that is, he fulfilled them. The greatest prediction, which runs like a golden thread through the whole contents of the Old Testament, is that regarding the coming and work of the Messiah, Jesus; and the greatest use of prophecy was to perpetuate faith in his coming and to prepare the world for that event.
Daniel 9:23John 6:27Mark 1:14-15Acts 3:18John 5:36-40Matthew 5:17Matthew 11:11-15
The Bible shows Jesus fulfilled the prophets, and the Mosaic law the first covenant fulfilled, sealed and His ministry was confirming the New.
Six things determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city.
Part 6 last part
To anoint the Most Holy.
Anoint, the meaning of mashach is fourfold. First, an individual or object set apart for divine use, the anointed. Most Holy q--m q-e most holy most holy place.
Some put this at the baptizing of Jesus by John the Baptist, the start of Jesus's ministry.
Matthew4:13-17 Mark 1:9-11John 1:29-34
This could very well be the anointing in Daniel 9:24. It started Jesus's ministry, and we know he is most holy. There is another choice, which I believe is what is said in Daniel, not in the future, but was done by Jesus after he ascended to heaven before the destruction of the temple made by man. It is the anointing of the holy of holies in the temple not made with hands. Hebrews 8:1-12Hebrews 9:6-14
With this, it shows Jesus went in once and anointed the Holy of Holies not made with hands. Jesus anointed the Holy of Holies once and made it possible for man through him and the Holy Spirit for God to dwell in us, a tabernacle. If we look at verse 9:8 "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing". Remember when Jesus cried out and said it was finished? He gave up the ghost, the veil of the temple rent in half, and the holy of holies opened to man. Like the tabernacle of David an open tent everyone could see the glory of God.
This is to take however you may, my understanding These were fulfilled.
Forgive my ignorance please but would this be the same prince of Ezekiel ? I have always thought that this prince of Ezekiel can only be Christ , am I wrong ? Ezekiel is the hardest book for me , Isaiah used to be the hardest but that suddenly got much easier for me , then it was Jeremiah , I finally got to grips with Jeremiah and now it's Ezekiel that sometimes still leaves me stumped .
Daniel mentions this in three places, Daniel 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11. Jesus mentions it in Matthew 24:15.
In Matthew 24:15, Jesus is talking to Jews who are familiar with their Old Testament scriptures in the book of Daniel.
In Matthew 24:16, Jesus gives instructions to the Jews on what to do when they see the abomination of desolation. Whenever those things in Verse 15 happen, Jesus says, let them which be in where? In Judea, because this is for the Jews. He says let those who are in Judea flee into the mountains.
The abomination of desolation is when the antichrist helps the Jews to start their sacrifices again. The bible says he is going to help the Jews to restart their sacrificing.
And then right in the middle of the tribulation period (approximately the 3-1/2 year mark), he is going to step in and put his image in the holy of holies. And he is going to say that everybody has to worship him. And he's going to corrupt the temple. And he's going to take over.
Jesus says that when you see that happen, when he puts up his image in the Holy of holies, He says flee, get out of there, because the great tribulation (the last 3-1/2 years), this pivotal point, is only a one activity event. Once that happens, then it is the great tribulation, like the world has never seen.
Here's something interesting I would like to share with you: In Verse 16, Jesus tells the Jews to flee into the mountains. This is recorded for us in Revelation Chapter 12 Verse 6. Isaiah says it is the Rock city of Petra.
The Jordanians went into the Rock city of Petra not too long ago and fixed it up as a tourist attraction. They put in nice restrooms and everything for the tourists.
As it stands today, the rock city of Petra has enough empty housing to house 250,000 people, plenty of room for the Jews who are told to flee. Maybe God had a hand in this? I'm sure the Jews in the middle of the tribulation period are going to say "thank you very much!"
I see the word sober over and over in the Bible... I looked up the definition in Websites dictionary and it said to not drink alcohol. What about the other mind altering substances that we have out there? Do they not make you drunk as well? Or does the word sober in the bible only pertain to alcohol?
..... Malachi 3:2 kjv....Who shall abide the day of his coming...( 2 nd coming )...Who shall stand when he appears for he shall be as a REFINERS FIRE and fullers soap a cleasing fire...That FIRE that Jesus wants to bring to all the world...H.G. FIRE...He is gonna wash everyone of us with his spirit...Which is the H.g. the gift of God....I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh..
.....Thus there will be no more death or hell...As our God is a consuming fire that is gonna consume satan and his angels...Which is mans carnal minds...Satans seat..reAnd that y we must be bornagain of that incorruptible seed which are the words of that NEW COVENANT that he wrote with his own blood....That book of life....Thats y the scrip. is saying if anyman was not found written in the book of life ( washed in the blood of the lamb ) ....He was cast into the lake of fire...Baptism of the H.G and fire...I will pour out of my spirit on ALL FLESH...Thats y Jesus was saying if I
be lifted up ( the blood ) I will draw ALL MEN unto me.
.....Thats y Jesus was saying Every sinner will have his part in the lake of fire...O thank you Jesus...Its God that is that LAKE OF FIRE....Thru baptism of the H.G AND FIRE...Remember Jesus rebuked James and John when they wanted to call down a literal fire on the samartians....Our God is th fire
Then the beauty & holiness of the New heaven (sky), the New Earth & the New Jerusalem (Revelation chapter 21), will renew all that was lost when mankind decided to rebel against his Maker.
I understand your position with the 'tribulation' that believers must go through, even escaping the Wrath of God (the Great Tribulation) that comes upon the World. Yet, I see that the Great Tribulation does not begin after the tribulations by the anti-Christ, but at the time of the anti-Christ's appearing ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1-7). Paul writes to the believers, in reference to Christ's Coming & their gathering together to meet Him (the Rapture of the saints). They were greatly troubled (affrighted, alarmed) by the false teaching given even false letters purporting to be from Paul himself, that the Day of Christ (or, Day of the Lord) had already begun, & they had missed it or were left out. Paul corrects them on this. That Day won't come till there's a great defection & rebellion against God & the anti-Christ be revealed. But what prevents the revealing of the anti-Christ? ( 2 Thessalonians 2:6,7). The Thessalonians already knew who or what constrains this revelation, but we're not told specifically by name. The only clue is "HE who now letteth..", which in Greek is "the one". If this One is God's Spirit (by my understanding), then it must mean that those with His Spirit are included; and this means that not only will believers be removed from the Earth, but the rest of Earth's inhabitants will no longer have the working of the Spirit before them or in them.
If God removes His Spirit from ministering on the Earth, this not only qualifies the removal of those so indwelt by Him & for evil to be let loose without constraint, but that the Day of the Lord has begun & the beginning of God's Wrath: first by His abandonment of the unbelieving world, then by the outpouring of His Anger & Judgement over it. The Day of the Lord will come suddenly upon them, as a thief comes, but that will not overtake those who believe, simply because we have not been appointed to receive God's Wrath for the world, but to receive His Salvation (we'll be gone). 1 Thessalonians 5:2-9.
I appreciate the ongoing discussion Jimbob we're having as very few are prepared to persevere in it. Yes, I did mention 'imminency & suddenness', but also mentioned 'readiness' ("In the NT, the command was for readiness"). We will have to leave that one, as after my revisiting those passages because of your comment, I still see that all three as adverbs are in use or implied, including, 'watchfulness'. We'll have to leave those Scriptures for other readers to examine.
Matthew 24:29-31. I read that as the Second Coming of Christ after the Great Tribulation days & that Jesus' rule upon the Earth will be with his elect living on the Earth at that time. It does not speak of those who will be instantly caught up to be with Christ (i.e. without the gathering of them together by the angels) & to be with Christ forever. Here, in the Rapture, those of the living & dead believers will be "changed" ( 1 Corinthians 15:52), i.e. physically reconstituted ("putting on incorruption") to be with Christ in the heavenlies, whereas this isn't a requirement for those 'of the elect' on the Earth who are gathered & relocated to Jerusalem (presumably).
Revelation 20:4-6 speaks of the vision that John received of all those who had laid down their lives for Christ. Not only those who came to believe in the Truth & resisted the Anti-Christ during his reign, but the multitudes since the Church's inception that have remained faithful to the Lord & willingly went to their deaths. Yes, we can suffer now (in tribulation), even as those who went before us, but this is part & parcel of following Christ ( John 16:33); including Romans 8:16-18; Philippians 1:29; 2 Thessalonians 1:4,5; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; etc (as you shared). I read this as the 'common' tribulation (trials of faith) that believers can experience, but not of the Great Tribulation (at the Day of the Lord).
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:21-28
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
These are few verses maybe they will help.
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
Not to debate just something to consider.
I know many have this understanding of this abomination of desolation and applying it to Daniel 9:27. As you said it is in Daniel 9:27 Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11 and only in 11:31 and 12:11 does it say the abomination that maketh desolate.
As what happened in 167 BC with Antiochus Epiphanies committed two blasphemous acts in the second Jewish temple by setting up an altar to the Greek god Zeus and also, he sacrificed a pig on the altar, and much more, that is thought something similar will happen in the future with the antichrist.
The abomination of desolation is this horrible person or beast that will do this action that is vile, vicious or terrible in the temple that is said to be rebuilt that makes it desolate. This being is the one who does the act to make it desolate.
If we look at Daniel 9:27 it says, "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate." For the overspreading of abominations, this is saying because of abominations they have done, he shall make it desolate, not what he does makes it desolate.
Jesus disrobes this in Matthew 23:24-37, and He says what we read in Daniel 9:27. Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For their abominations Jesus is the one who makes it desolate for the overspreading of abominations they have done and their rejection of Him. "and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. The Roman army and total destruction.
I agree they may flee from Judea in the future they did just before 70 AD the believers in Jesus fled to Pella a region across the Jordan river and were saved.
Just something to consider.
God bless,
RLW
This is part of the study I did on Daniel 9:24-27, the six things, this is as short as I could get it.
Six things determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city.
Part 1
Determined, cut, to divide, hence to decree, to be determined, be decreed, and shall come upon thy people, be settled, be marked out.
To finish, prison a primitive root; to restrict, by an act, hold back or in or word prohibit -- finish, forbid, keep back, refrain, restrain, retain, shut up, be stayed, withhold. Also, can mean the bending or subduing of the will, "tame for the yoke". An animal or land that is tamed has been worked and is complete and ready for use. Taming includes; the construction of holding pens, putting the soil to the plow, and harvesting of the crops.
Determined upon Israel and Jerusalem
1. To finish the transgression
2. To make an end of sins
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity
4. To bring in everlasting righteousness
5. To seal up vision and prophecy 6. To anoint the most holy
This prophecy is determined for Daniel's people, Israel, the lost sheep, and the holy city, Jerusalem. Not the world and the nations of peoples, it is just Israel and the holy city. The six points above are what is determined, and can we verify if they have been fulfilled? None of these were fulfilled in the first sixty-nine weeks so, does scripture show us if these six things that were determined were fulfilled by the Messiah, Jesus?
See Part 2
Part 2
To finish the transgression
To finish; to withhold something from someone. transgression "transgress," to overpass as any rule prescribed as the limit of duty, to break or violate, as a law, civil or moral, the act of transgressing, rebellion, revolt, offend, that a penalty for the transgression a payment is due for the offense. Debt and transgressions, that they/we cannot pay, and the animal sacrifices fall short.
The only way anyone can stand before a just and holy God is if somebody is worthy and spotless to pay the debt. And the only one who has earned the right to pay that debt is the Messiah the Son of God and we have justification through Christ alone.
Psalm 32:1 Psalm 89:32 Psalm 103:11-12 Isaiah 43:25 Isaiah 53:5-8 Isaiah 53:11 Galatians 3:19 Ephesians 2:4-5 Hebrews 9:15-18
Jesus with a perfect life gave up his body to death; he fulfilled the first covenant of sacrificial law. His sacrifice is the redemption of the transgressions and the fulfillment of the first covenant of sacrificial law.
He became sin for us, and with his blood made the new covenant being the only mediator of the New Testament that we through faith in Jesus Christ receive the promise of eternal inheritance. Offered first to the house of Israel for He came first only for the lost sheep of Israel then was offered to the rest of the world.
See Part 3
Part 3
To make an end of sins.
To make an end; as put an end to/make an end to, affix a seal, to seal up, a document is rolled up and sealed with wet clay. The signet ring of the owner bears the image of his seal and is pressed into the clay. This is what was done by the Holy Spirit, 2 Cor. 1:22 Eph. 1:13 2 Tim. 2:19.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Sin reaches for things, such as safety, knowledge, peace, happiness, and pleasure. Nevertheless, behind the act of good, sin ultimately creates a confrontation between obedience and rebellion. If not in faith, it is sin.
Psalm 32:1 Matthew 1:21 Matthew 22:11-13 John 1:29 John 3:5 Acts 5:31 Romans 3:25 Romans 8:3 Hebrews 9:26 Hebrews 10:8-12 1 Corinthians 15:3 1 John 3:5-6 Revelation 16:15
The covering of our sins was accomplished on the cross at Calvary. When he said IT IS FINISHED, he provided us with the garments (wedding garments) to cover our sins. Sin has not completely stopped yet but it is covered by the blood of Jesus and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
This passage points toward the Messiah who died because of our sins. In Jesus's death, punishment for our sins is paid for. Jesus's death we are dead to sin. Walking in the Spirit meant that we are trusting in Christ by faith to be made right before God, and not trusting in the law.
Whenever Paul speaks about walking after the flesh, it is in the context of trying to be made right before God by the law, which is equivalent to self-righteousness. I believe the prophecy is fulfilled in Jesus Christ and if we are in Jesus Christ, it is fulfilled for us. Praise God that Jesus Christ made an end of sins! As Jesus said from the cross, "It is finished!"
See Part 4
Part 4
To make reconciliation for iniquity
Reconciliation is an element of salvation that refers to the results of the atonement, to coat or cover, Isaiah 61:10 Rev. 3:4 Rev. 16:15, iniquity is guilt, crookedness, twistedness, perverseness, that which is not straight or upright, and moral distortion in the dark.
Colossians 1:20-22 Isaiah 53:5-6 Isaiah 53:11 Ephesians 2:16 Titus 2:14 Romans 4:7 2 Romans 5:10-11 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 Colossians 1:19-22
The word reconcile means to bring back to a former state of harmony, Jesus reconciled both Jew and Gentile unto God in one body by the cross and now through Jesus we both Jew and Gentile have access by one Spirit unto the Father, no more strangers or foreigners but fellow citizens. Making reconciliation for iniquity concerns our involvement in the work of salvation. God has reconciled himself to us and empowered us by his Spirit to reconcile ourselves to God and one another.
To bring in everlasting righteousness.
Everlasting, no end, long duration, antiquity, futurity, forever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, continuous existence. Righteousness, God's attribute, justice, mercy, loving-kindness, in conformity to the demands of the covenant, and according to God's will, fair and balanced.
Isaiah 61:10-11 Hebrews 8:12 Romans 3:21-26 Romans 5:17-21 1 Corinthians 1:30 2 Corinthians 5:21 1 Peter 2:24
Everlasting righteousness was what our Lord manifested in His sinless life. Jesus by His blood entered in once into the holy place not made by hands having obtained eternal redemption, everlasting, and in Jesus we have everlasting righteousness and salvation, through faith, given by grace from God, by the blood of the Lamb freely offered for us. We have no righteousness apart from Jesus Christ.
See Part 5
Part 5
To seal up vision and prophecy
Seal up, affix a seal, a seal in biblical times as today, is used to guarantee security or indicate ownership. Vision, God's communication with man, prophecy (w-n-), the same word for prophet, a divine vision, a vision spoken of a divine vision or dream, Isaiah 29:7 God spoke in times past through the prophets, but these last days spoke to us by his Son, Heb. 1:1-2.
The Mosaic Law and covenant pointed to Jesus. He sealed them up, that is, he fulfilled them. The greatest prediction, which runs like a golden thread through the whole contents of the Old Testament, is that regarding the coming and work of the Messiah, Jesus; and the greatest use of prophecy was to perpetuate faith in his coming and to prepare the world for that event.
Daniel 9:23 John 6:27 Mark 1:14-15 Acts 3:18 John 5:36-40 Matthew 5:17 Matthew 11:11-15
The Bible shows Jesus fulfilled the prophets, and the Mosaic law the first covenant fulfilled, sealed and His ministry was confirming the New.
See Part 6
Part 6 last part
To anoint the Most Holy.
Anoint, the meaning of mashach is fourfold. First, an individual or object set apart for divine use, the anointed. Most Holy q--m q-e most holy most holy place.
Some put this at the baptizing of Jesus by John the Baptist, the start of Jesus's ministry.
Matthew4:13-17 Mark 1:9-11 John 1:29-34
This could very well be the anointing in Daniel 9:24. It started Jesus's ministry, and we know he is most holy. There is another choice, which I believe is what is said in Daniel, not in the future, but was done by Jesus after he ascended to heaven before the destruction of the temple made by man. It is the anointing of the holy of holies in the temple not made with hands. Hebrews 8:1-12 Hebrews 9:6-14
With this, it shows Jesus went in once and anointed the Holy of Holies not made with hands. Jesus anointed the Holy of Holies once and made it possible for man through him and the Holy Spirit for God to dwell in us, a tabernacle. If we look at verse 9:8 "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing". Remember when Jesus cried out and said it was finished? He gave up the ghost, the veil of the temple rent in half, and the holy of holies opened to man. Like the tabernacle of David an open tent everyone could see the glory of God.
This is to take however you may, my understanding These were fulfilled.
God bless,
RLW
Daniel mentions this in three places, Daniel 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11. Jesus mentions it in Matthew 24:15.
In Matthew 24:15, Jesus is talking to Jews who are familiar with their Old Testament scriptures in the book of Daniel.
In Matthew 24:16, Jesus gives instructions to the Jews on what to do when they see the abomination of desolation. Whenever those things in Verse 15 happen, Jesus says, let them which be in where? In Judea, because this is for the Jews. He says let those who are in Judea flee into the mountains.
The abomination of desolation is when the antichrist helps the Jews to start their sacrifices again. The bible says he is going to help the Jews to restart their sacrificing.
And then right in the middle of the tribulation period (approximately the 3-1/2 year mark), he is going to step in and put his image in the holy of holies. And he is going to say that everybody has to worship him. And he's going to corrupt the temple. And he's going to take over.
Jesus says that when you see that happen, when he puts up his image in the Holy of holies, He says flee, get out of there, because the great tribulation (the last 3-1/2 years), this pivotal point, is only a one activity event. Once that happens, then it is the great tribulation, like the world has never seen.
Here's something interesting I would like to share with you: In Verse 16, Jesus tells the Jews to flee into the mountains. This is recorded for us in Revelation Chapter 12 Verse 6. Isaiah says it is the Rock city of Petra.
The Jordanians went into the Rock city of Petra not too long ago and fixed it up as a tourist attraction. They put in nice restrooms and everything for the tourists.
As it stands today, the rock city of Petra has enough empty housing to house 250,000 people, plenty of room for the Jews who are told to flee. Maybe God had a hand in this? I'm sure the Jews in the middle of the tribulation period are going to say "thank you very much!"
I have a question?
Do you believe when you depart your body of flesh, you are at that moment in the presence of God?
Just trying to understand your beliefs.
God Bless YOU!