Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 415

  • Free - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear "John ray", thx for your coment back to me, it is so when we ppl feel lost, the Lord is with us all daya. We confess our sins, take back what the devil has Tried to take from us. And never stop witnessed to the king and the fatherland of He who is worthy of honor and He who is the light that still exists on this earth, Jesus Christ our Lord.

    The believers then as now had everyday problems that we have. Greet you with a greeting from Philemon letter. Love u in Christ, take care of your heart and stay close to the word of God.
  • GiGi on Numbers 9 - 1 year ago
    NUMBERS CHAPTER 9

    It had been a year since the Israelites came to Mt. Sinai. Now it was time to celebrate the Passover in the way that YHWH showed Moses. This feast was spoken of in Exodus 12 when they had come from fleeing Egypt to what would be the first month of their year. The Passover is the first feast of their year. It is celebrated on the 14th day of Nissan (either in March or April). The Israelites had celebrated it in Egypt when the last plague, the death of the firstborn was come upon Egypt. The Israelites did all that God had instructed them to do and were spared from this plague due to their obedience of putting the blood of the sacrificed lamb around their doorframe. Then when they were away from Egypt and the early spring month began they celebrated their second Passover according to how Moses instructed them.

    Now they were about to leave from Mt. Sinai and it was once again the month of Nissan and the beginning of their second full year in the wilderness. They prepared to celebrate the Passover again. There were two men who had become unclean by having contact with a dead person. They, wisely, went to Moses concerning their fitness to participate in the Passover with their family and the whole camp. Normally, they would not be able to participate in worship until they had satisfied the the conditions for re-entry into the congregation. But this time, Moses consulted God on their behalf, since this was a new situation. YHWH told Moses that the men did not have to be ceremonial clean to celebrate the Passover, but were to do so with their family and community.

    When Jesus was sacrificed as our Passover Lamb, his disciples, nor any of us needed to get "cleaned up" in order for Him to sacrifice for us. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. We were crucified with Him, even though we were unclean.

    We all participated in this Passover with Jesus. He was our sacrifice and our sins were "passed over" in Him. How wonderful.

    cont. to part 2
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank you Ronald!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    You're welcome Adam. Thank you for your kindness!
  • John ray - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I like what you say be ready to be a witness last 7 years from the time I wake up in the morning to find the time I go out of bed at night I try to do that be ready to be a witness and also have love you got to have love but the God of this world the devil yes I know Jesus Christ wins at the end there's so much suffering in our country there's too much I've had a rough for the last seven years Jesus has been there I know that I haven't been a good Christian in the last 12 months sorry about all the texts
  • GIGI - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Karen.

    Part 2

    mandalas, mazes, fairies, elves, gnomes, griffins, phoenixes, dragons, unicorns, gargoyles, and other mythical things.

    For me, I made a mental list of the things I will avoid having in my home and also learned about popular images and figurines as to their origin and uses in the people who originated these ideas. I took inventory of my home to eliminate anything that was even 'iffy'. But the main thrust of the commandment is to avoid anything associated with paganism, occultism, mysticism, or idolatry.

    And I think that God gave this commandment to warn us to guard our imaginations, mind, heart, and eyes when it comes to images because He knows that such things can begin in innocence, but in time can become something we give to much respect of consideration to, maybe even thinking one cannot part with something one considers valuable in an inordinate way. This could easily apply to family heirlooms or momentos of things from loved ones alive of dead.

    I think the bottom line is not to think too highly of anything that God created or man has imagined and created beyond its function, usefulness, beauty, artistic aesthetic, and meaningfulness. Nothing should draw us away from God's pre-eminence in our lives or be substituted for Him, nor should anything we have or view or treasure go beyond what is rightfully and righteously due them.

    God warns us of this because He knows our sinful nature better than anyone else. He knows how easily we can fall into a mindset that breaks this commandment concerning images and also the commandment concerning idolatry. They are interrelated.

    Karen, I don't think that you have anything to be concerned about with these crocheted items. Those who receive them will most likely think of you and the time you spent making these items for them. But I will always say, be godly in all we do, honoring God above all, avoid being worldly minded, and hold all things in balance before God.
  • GIGI - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Karen S.

    Richard has given you good advice. Each person does need to examine themselves before God as to any images they have in there mind and in figures and paintings.

    But, what you are speaking about is depicting animals for children. If you look at any children's book geared towards the very young, they are rightly called "picture books" because younger children need visual pictures to relate to the words they hear read. Kids love stuffed animals. Are these any different than what you are creating? Not really.

    We love to see photographs of many things in our world, often giving us a visual image of some things in the world or space that we will never see in person. And before photos, there were paintings to depict a person or event or scene of significance to the artist. Are these to be eliminated in our present lives? How about videos?

    When I read in Exodus and Leviticus about the furnishings of the tent of meeting, the ark of the covenant, and the images carved on the temple walls, it causes me to ponder the commandment to not make graven images. But here, God called for these images to be engravened upon the curtains of the tabernacle and walls of the temple, to be crafted out of metal as the cherubim on the mercy seat, which did not break the commandment.

    This does not mean that we can do anything we want with images and objects. We should certainly check with God before we create or use any image or objects in our homes. Home decor and yard art comes to mind. How do we know what is acceptable for us to use?

    I think that Richard spoke wisely on this. The commandment is for God's people to not create images of false gods, first of all. This is idolatry. But we should also be careful of what we have as 'art'. Things that come to mind are: gazing balls, charm bracelets, figurines that are from pagan societies like totems or depictions of things the society revered, angel depictions, even fairies, gnomes, gremlins, gargoyles, elves, 'mythical' beings.
  • GIGI - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Giannis,

    Good job explaining not just the importance of water baptism that is done by one who believes the gospel and professes Christ as

    Savior, but also that it is the end act of conversion and for the remission of sins, as Scripture does say. I don't think that we truly understand this connection in baptism because it is a spiritual act by God to us.

    And in regard to creeds, you are correct in that they were a concise proclamation of the essential beliefs every believer should confess. Even before these "official" creeds many of us know so well, in the apostles' time and continuing after that, each congregation had what was called "a rule of faith' which was confession of the essential Christian beliefs expected tho be held by members of the fellowship. This was pretty much across the board for most churches at this time.

    This is all that a creed is, an outward, communal confession of the beliefs of the apostolic faith past down to the churches. It is something that believers confessed as individuals to what they believed, but it was usually done in a corporate setting. The rule of faith would be recited in their worship times as a statement of faith that showed any visitors or anyone new to the fellowship what they proclaimed about the most important and necessary ideals of the faith they believed.

    What effect would occur in non-believers or new believers and children attending a fellowship if such a 'rule of faith' or creed was professed at every worship service! It is one part of services that I love because I can know that I am with people who believe that same things as I do as well as the Christian church at large.

    It is ok for someone to create their own profession of faith for themselves. However, this could lead to all kinds of errors in doctrine if the individual profession does not align with the word as professed in the creeds of Christ's church.
  • GIGI - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank You, Richard for this good essay,

    It is certainly good to have a habit of prayer and a habit of seeking examination by the Holy Spirit searching us through and through to uncover wickedness we are unable to perceive.

    And, I agree that we should be selective of whom we ask to pray for us or advise us. Just become someone is a believer does not automatically qualify them as one who can be trustworthy with one's prayer needs or with giving guidance in an area of concern in our lives.

    But also, for instance, here on this site many people request prayer. 'They do not know who will take up their request for prayer, or be selective of the person on this site they wish to pray for them. So, in some way, in such a situation, we do need trust God to move on people here to pray in faith for others and believe that God will bring the right persons to pray for people and their requests.

    Each person should work to cultivate a strong prayer life with the help of the Holy Spirit. We are so weak minded and in our resolve. We need the Spirit's help to grow in prayer. But that said, it seems that Scripture does charge us to pray often and continually, bringing all things to God. So, we should not go a day without prayer either solitarily or in fellowship. We can know that God hears our prayers and will always give the best answer according to His wisdom and all-knowing will and vigilant heart for those who are His by faith.

    This site offers the opportunity to pray for others every day. That is a blessing, especially for those of us. like me, who do not get out that much nor interact much with others in person. My circle of fellow Christians is pretty small now, but my friends in Christ are so valuable to me. And this site is helping me be more prayerful in all aspects.

    As for people being strong enough to battle against our spiritual enemies and powerful wicked ones, we still can offer up a fight while asking God to intervene. He is strongest of all.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Addendum

    I should clarify on my statement on not showing art representing God then allowing the exception for the Last Supper. I stated that the purpose for such is to represent as accurately as possible a particular event which all the disciples shared that is foundational to a scriptural event of importance. Other than the halo around our Lord it usually isn't overemphasizing His appearance (as He was a man of sorrows and otherwise humble of low degree as Isaiah 53 described; despised and rejected and marred during the crucifixion more than any man). Also the appearance often has that of a caucasian which would be as many European men would appear with a Middle Ages depiction. It is not ornate and such; but if one were to think it was inappropriate I certainly wouldn't want to split hairs over it.

    Perhaps the description of Lucifer appearing as an "angel of light" in his now fallen state ( 2 Cor. 11:14) shows how outer beauty and its representation can be seen in it's darkest effigy. Hence; even in the occult we see much beautiful imagery and depictions of angels but it is buffeted by myriads of demons and full of darkness at its core. The same thing can be said for those ancient animal idols and gods; which may not be as common today but probably is getting more so with Satanism and the occult. We must keep in mind the fallen angels that are mentioned contaminating human DNA in Genesis 6 and later accounts; as well as their likely messing around with animals (hence all animal and human life except for Noah and his family were destroyed). And also we have animism which causes people to worship animals attributing some magical powers to them.

    May He grant you wisdom in this subject; and all things. Glad to hear you have a tender heart and not wanting to offend Him in any way. Hope this helps.

    Agape; Rich P
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    1 Kings 6:29 indicates cherubim; winged creatures and plants being carved into the Temple; there are other verses in Deutoronomy and 1 Kings as well. Clearly; we are not to worship angels either but God's presence was to be replicated on earth in a pattern or type of the heavenly throne.

    Worshipping an object is different than creating a likeness thereof; and it is the essense of something that is of concern; i.e. the demon spirit of some created life that is exalted or worshipped that is the danger.

    I would say in regard to any member of the Trinity that we should NOT make any representation. No matter how well we could represent Christ (probably middle eastern complexion); we cannot show His divinity no matter how artistically accurate or talented we are.

    An example I'd use is a picture of the Last Supper. Usually it is used as a reminder of Christ's last day on earth before His sufferings in the garden as well as the interaction of all the Disciples. We don't usually worship it per say. There are icons and such which are of Jesus that some want to use to perpetuate His sufferings; or to worship an image. I would guess in your case it is more likely your kids would do violence to your animal stitching rather than keep it neat and clean in effigy.

    Personally; I can't keep pictures of anyone who I am fairly certain died lost; or any other physical keepsake. There are spirits of darkness which will use these things in our minds to try to convince us of the presence of that loved one; THAT is where the danger exists as well. I can say based on the experience of a former pastor's wife that such items can indeed be surrounded by evil spirits (in her case a particular set of silverware that started shaking in her kitchen). It's not certain that will happen of course with any object left over; but my point is that whatever things are associated with can bring what you may call family curses.

    This is all true hope I can post this info.
  • John P - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sure, How about Satan? God elevated him about as high as they get. The Cherub that covereth. he earned it.
  • John P - In Reply - 1 year ago
    John ray, YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION! People that believe you cannot lose your salvation are those that believe, 'once save, always saved'. Don't forget who does the saving. Never accuse Christ of not having the power to save. If you ask Christ to save you again it's saying he did not have the power to save you the first time or its crucifying him all over again. His saving grace is always there, it the person that slip so far from God that they lose their salvation. There are those that cannot see that the word 'should' in John 3:16 is a conditional word. God Bless.
  • Free - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear GiGi It's so true, and it's important that people see things for themselves. Not everything can be learned from other people. We need the Holy Ghost.

    Take care of yourself, I love you and everyone in here with the love of Christ. Those who will and have the will to live right with the Lord. Amen. Be strong and brave. Always be ready to be a witness, Amen.
  • John P - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Adam,

    I am an old man. I have studied God's word a long time. All new Christ men and Christ women have been in our shoes, as it was when I started reading God's word.

    You know the old story. Feed a man a fish and it stops his hunger. Teach a man 'to fish' and he can stop a lot of hunger.

    God's word is pregnant, it grows and grows each time you read. I was taught to read God's word 'verse by verse, chapter by chapter. I try to alway ask God for that 'word of wisdom each time I study.'

    Before reading, find the 'who', 'what' 'when' and 'where' and as you start to read you can feel the 'Spirit' with you, when you feel that subject come to you or you know what the chapter is about.

    When we sin and ask God's forgiveness, we don't forget to forgive ourself when we are finished asking God's forgiveness, that is a no, no. When God forgives it is blotted out, finnie, forgotten, he never wants to hear about it again.

    I am thankful someone is always on this website to help when when we need that help. God Bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Jesse, amen, very nice of you to share that.
  • Jimbob - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Adam In ( Rom. 3:21-26) v22 "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: v23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God". v24 "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is Jesus Christ" v25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation ((through faith in his blood)), to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God".

    I think the key verses are ( 1 John. 8-9) v8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us".

    v9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

    True Believers in Jesus Christ will walk in the light and will confess their sins, and He will forgive them of their sins and cleanse them from all unrighteousness. We must Believe in Jesus Christ and confess our sins to Him before He will forgive our sins. If we say that we have no sin, (then we don't confess our sin) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. ( 1 Jn. 1:8)

    This is my thoughts Adam. This may not be the answer you were looking for but maybe it can be used to build upon to find your answer. God Bless you.
  • Laura139 - 1 year ago
    Who will the 144,000 serve in the Millinem?
  • KarenS - 1 year ago
    The second Commandment, regarding images. Does this mean that we shouldn't create any image of anything? Example, I crochet toys in the likeness of animals for children. Is this wrong in God's eyes?
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Spiritual eyes part 4.

    Getting back to the Great Commission; the examples in Acts are things which we will not experience unless we are out there sharing our faith. It is hard to imagine today a Phillipians 1:15 situation where there is envy for those who are "turning the world upside down" ( Acts 17:6). At least in the USA it seems the impact is minimal; and probably largely due to a fear of persecution.

    Prayers such as freed Peter in Acts 12; as well as Paul's release in Acts 16:25-28 are sorely needed today; of course that involves remembering missionaries and those in bonds today ( Hebrews 13:3 which certainly sounds like something Paul would have authored).

    Prayer can err on both being presumptuous as to God answering things a certain way or not being boldly presenting our petitions to His throne ( Heb. 4:16). Yes; there are times when we contend with God; such as when I would guess happened when James was killed with the sword in Acts. We shouldn't use Esau's example of praying with tears as an excuse not to have heartfelt prayer; he was only concerned with the results of his sin. Sadly; I have seen very few times when tears flow because of grief and loss; I'm sure a lot of us myself included would be greatly edified by more tears of repentance realizing how great the Father's love is for us. Therefore; praise and adulation of the Lord and His Holiness; as well as our own sad state in comparison should be something starting church services and other gatherings as a routine practice. As my friend in Pittsburgh stated a couple years back when he started early morning prayers; he was "desperate for prayer". Something needed by more believers today.

    Along with knowing when to act is also knowing when to wait on the Lord. Patience is a virtue I surely need more of but it is something commonplace in those possessing mature faith and good fruit in their walk. Wrestling with God all night in prayer is also commendable like in Genesis 32:22-32
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Seeing with spiritual eyes (Part 3).

    Another sad fact is that many are not serious about fulfilling the Great Commission. This lack of perseverance robs many of using spiritual gifts; which are illustrated in examples such as Acts 16:17. This reminds us of Acts 13:8-12 with another person who was seeking to attain Paul's miraculous powers by offering him money. This caused him to become blind much as Paul did for a season.

    The first example really hits home because many so called Christians aren't even discerning enough to tell when obvious false Gospel messages are creeping in. This woman was telling the truth; and not just any way was proclaimed but she stated through the spirit in her that it was THE way. The error was the spirit was using her (probably because of her own desire for recognition or money) to draw attention to itself; we must remember that the demons know and shudder ( James 2:19). It seems Paul tolerated this behavior for a time; either he wanted to ignore the distraction or wasn't sure it was from the enemy.

    Sadly; from my own experiences and having been granted some spiritual discernment the truth is never very popular. I try not to be jaded myself with so many false prophecies and revelations promulgated today lest there be a few that are genuine. It seems more than cooincidence that there are very few words of knowledge that are critical of actions; and if a rebuke is given it is often more of a show of pride than an honest assessment. Nonetheless; so much can be prevented if such responsibilities would be done quickly by elders as well as responsible laypersons before error is allowed to take root; or sins destroy the life of an individual or family. Jesus didn't mince words with Peter and other would be disciples; try that approach in todays seeker friendly church and see how long it is before you are escorted out the door. Truth be told we cannot love our brethren without exhortation and rebuke balancing encouragement
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Seeing with spiritual eyes (part 2).

    The second thing after prayer for those walking in the Spirit is some sort of action whenever we are able. 1 John 3:17 echoes what is already written in Proverbs 14:31 about not neglecting a brother in need (a sin of omission). Sadly; we live in a fallen world and what is politically correct in immediately stepping out to help financially may end up getting us rended such as indicated in Matthew 7:6.

    Often today no one wants to get into something messy. There are things such as domestic abuse where wisdom in contacting the authorities and those who are specialized in care of certain situations rather than stepping in ourselves.

    I cannot overemphasize from the way I see it warning people of the seriousness of sin; as it affects not just them but others within their family and the entire congregation much of the time as well. We cannot assume if someone has been a believer for many years that they can't be headed for a fall; and these days more seem to go toward total apostasy. Exhortation needs to warn people that in our own strength we will be beaten down; in our own understanding we can and will be decieved without the Spirit guiding us as well as TRUSTING God even when it seems things around us contradict that as being a logical approach.

    Just as we need to be careful who prays for us; we also need to be cautious who we take advice from. The enemy was granted permission to speak lies through the prophets ( 1 Kings 22:21-23) and many around us today will be used by the enemy if we are not careful. Such things as divorce and subsequent remarriage are high on that list in my assessment. There is always someone out there who will tell us to do what we want and tell us what we want to hear.

    It is always a small remnant who live out what they believe by example; and there are no short cuts to obedience due to our love for Christ. ( John 14:15). Obedience is better than sacrifice as well ( 1 Sam. 15:22).
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Seeing with Spiritual eyes

    There are two ways of looking at our brothers and sisters in Christ. We can look for those that appeal to our interests and have a great time of socializing with an incidental mention of the Lord; or focus on 2 Corinthians 5:16 in not regarding anyone according to the flesh (if I am indeed understanding the verse correctly). The second example understood correctly perceives our fellow believers as assets in a war room; and part of the corporate Body of Christ as expressed on the earth today.

    No matter how you slice it; an honest assessment on the church at large shows a very small number that are able to effectively engage in an Ephesians 6 type spiritual warfare. The first and most obvious reason for this is most people are not totally submitted to the Spirit and hence quite ineffective when faced with such a mighty opposition. Tied into this is an underestimation of just how much of an enemy Satan actually is. Apart from the authority of the Lord we are basically moving targets for his arrows of accusations and other attacks. The second thing is that we are unaware either of those around us who have the armament already set for battle that remain idle or else we don't see it in ourselves. I have mentioned before the danger of having someone lay hands on us hastily ( 1 Tim. 5:22). Those in active sin or with demon spirits need to be avoided when it comes to prayer meeting participation. A broken and contrite spirit ( Psalm 51:17) is important such as David possessed to get God's attention. So there are instances to avoid fellowship when it comes to such matters but often those who are ready for battle are quiet individuals; with a hidden treasure so to speak. Such brothers and sisters no doubt pray in secret and see souls saved as a result of the law of sowing and reaping; and there is a time to pray in the closet as it were. Nonetheless; prayer is always an important start in bringing out victory in such matters.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen Jesse, put very well.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Part 3):

    1 John 1:20, If we say that we have not sinned,

    That's what is called a Perfect Tense. That is, you have never sinned up to this point, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

    What does that mean?

    Paul says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. We have all of the Old Testament scriptures that talk about the corruption of man and the sinfulness of man, and all of the New Testament scriptures that talk about man's sin, the total depravity of man.

    And some of the Gnostics said "I've never sinned. It was my body, not me!"

    If we say that we have not sinned, we're making God a liar because God says in His word you're a sinner. And if you say you have not sinned, His word is not in you. You're not saved!

    I hope this helps, God bless!!!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Part 2):

    1 John 1:7 continued:

    And that's what happens with a believer. The moment that you receive Christ, you are cleansed and forgiven for all of your sins.

    But we're still out in the world during the day. We need our "walk" cleansed. There's still some stain from the world and its influence that is running interference in our relationship with the Lord.

    At the beginning of John Chapter 15, Jesus told the disciples that you are cleansed through the word which "I have" spoken unto you, indicating that everything Jesus said to them, they were in the process of being cleansed every time He talked to them.

    So it's interesting, if we walk in the light "as" He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ "is" cleansing, continuously, us from all sin.

    1 John 3:6, Whoever abides in Him, that is, in the Lord, does not sin:

    Wow! A Christian does not sin according to the scriptures. Please let me explain.

    Again, the word abides is a Present Participle, (abiding). Whoever has Him abiding "is" Present Tense, not sinning, (continuously) as a habit of life.

    We're not talking about committing an act of sin. We're talking about committing sin continuously, a lifestyle of not surrendering to Christ.

    But this is a condition. Whoever is continuously remaining in Him, does not practice sin, ever! I can never go back and live the old lifestyle I lived before I received Christ. It's impossible.

    In contrast: Whoever sins, and again that's a Participle. Whoever is continuously sinning has not seen Him, neither have they known Him. That's a pretty bold statement to make!

    I will send a Part 3 (final part, I promise!) and give you my understanding of 1 John 1:10
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Adam,

    I can share with you my understanding of the verses you gave. I think this might help.

    In 1 John 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,

    But notice this:

    While we are having this fellowship, and He is the light, right? The blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. That's partly what happens in fellowship when we're in His word. He brings conviction.

    The psalmist in Psalm 119 also said that God's word is a lamp unto his feet. God's word is a light. And whenever we're under the influence of the Holy Spirit in our study of the word of God, God brings conviction because He shines the light and brings conviction.

    But notice this: The blood of Jesus Christ His Son, first of all, is cleansing. It shows a continuous action.

    Secondly, notice what he says: Us! He didn't say you. He said us. He's including himself. Whenever we have fellowship together in the light, as we walk in the light as God is the light, He is cleansing us.

    Jesus didn't just die for my sins on the cross, and die so I would be forgiven, and I'm forgiven once. I'm forgiven for all of my sins. But Jesus left us a teaching in John Chapter 13.

    Remember when He washed the disciple's feet. He took a towel, and got down and did the slave servant duties, and began to wash the disciple's feet.

    And when He came to Peter, Peter said you're not going to wash my feet. I should be washing your feet. You're the Lord. So Jesus tells Peter, if you don't let me wash your feet, you have no part with me.

    So Peter says "Give me a bath then!"

    And Jesus says no, you don't need that either. Once you have been totally cleansed, all you need is your feet washed.

    And that's what happens with a believer. The moment that you receive Christ, you are cleansed and forgiven for all of your sins.

    But we're still out in the world during the day. We need our "walk" cleansed.

    I'm out of space so I will send a part 2
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Free,

    I read Heb. 6:1 and the verses before and after. This theme is concerning those who should already be mature in their faith and doctrine, but are not. Therefore, they will need "milk" and return to the basic doctrines of our faith and be refreshed and convinced of them as the Holy Spirit brings them understanding, strengthening their faith so that they can then go on to be ready for "meat", that is, more weighty doctrines that are more difficult to understand and teach.

    Paul is not denouncing the basic doctrines that come first in our walk of faith, such as baptism, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead, eternal judgment. This "milk" begins with repentance from dead works and faith towards God. I think that often people come to the Lord in faith and then jump to things that are more for mature people who already have all the basics in place. These "newbies" need to tarry more in the "milk" doctrines until these are understood and applied to their lives before they go on to more "meaty" doctrines.

    But those who have tarried long in the basics of the faith should be equipped to move on to "meat" and gain understanding in these matters in order to be qualified to teach others, especially those who are in need of "milk" and need help to move on towards maturity.

    Thanks for bringing this up. At first read, if taken in isolation, the verse seems to say that these principles of Christ are to be left behind. But Paul is not saying that we abandon these principles of Christ, but we are to move on towards maturity in Him because our faith and walk with Jesus will be challenged again and again and even with persecution. Therefore, we are to not be complacent or slothful, but move on towards perfection so that we will not be led into apostasy when our faith is severely challenged by evil.

    Hebrews 5:11-6:12
  • Adam - 1 year ago
    I seek the council of brothers and sisters in Christ on two verses which at first glance seem in opposition. One seems to say we have no sin when abiding in Christ and the other says if we deny that we're sinners then the truth and his Word is not in us. When reading the context around each, each verse seems to double down on each statement. Both seem to be addressed toward Christians, like 1 John 1:7.

    Any thoughts?

    "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." 1 John 3:6 KJV

    "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:10 KJV
  • Cye - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I have been thinking the same thing!


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