Just because there is evil created from it doesn't mean for us not to use it for the Grace to the good for our lives and saving of Souls that's how we can talk we pray stand on the word and ask the Lord to cover us in his blood and partake not in there evil in Jesus name but to answe your question it you ask Google the question what does the king James Bible say about the evil use of AI it'll give scriptures for an answer Revelation 13:14-18 kjb
You seem very passionate about what your saying but very wrong in order to win souls you speak the truth in Love that's what the Bible says Eph4:15 then you are also wrong when you tell a born again believer in Christ Jesus to fellowship with those in darkness to win them when the Bible says what fellowship does dark have with light 1John1:6 that's just to speak on a few things you wrote I'm not gonna lie to you and say I read it all because I didn't why because I see it as emotional not true People are gonna Die and end up in hell if they base there lives on what they feel is true versus studying the Bible and knowing the truth we should have no dealings with those who live in darkness because spirits are transferable. If we desire to have what they have an end up in hell then yes, we should fellowship with them but if we desire in heaven, then we must do what the word says, and that's preach the gospel to the laws, and be separated from among those that are not right which of those that are wicked, who have not receive Jesus in their heart, and that's the truth.
I wanted to know from the Body of Christ, do you know of any scripture that specifically or closely speaks against the AI technology that is going on right now in our country and other western nations currently? I do not like it at all, because of the obvious problems it brings with it, in coming against us as human beings in altering things, and doing things that definitely goes against the Holy Bible and the Lord himself, such as having an image of a person saying or doing something, and it not really be the actual person! THATS HORRIBLE AND DANGEROUS! Or doing things to those in the music industry, using their voice likeness to a song or songs they never did or do not approve of, that is not of them, especially for those already deceased. In the hands of those who are evil and have evil motives to do wickedness in the earth against the Lord, in harming innocent people, this is a dangerous tool, but i know the Lord knows all, and is aware of all evil persons who would try to use technology to harm innocent people in the earth. I just don't see any reason to use it, and i think it's invasive and not good AT ALL! I want nothing to do with it, I don't see how it serves any good purpose, for us human beings, i think this is another way that fallen wicked man, that invents technology like this, is trying to play "god" with the lives of those who are unsaved and do not know the Lord, and who have access to computers in the earth and to say we can do anything to anyone and destroy anything innocent and clean they would do in their lives, (e.g. patents trademarks etc.). It's a very evil slippery slope to me. I love computers and the good it does and the ability to spread the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and to do good things and research clean, good, normal, everyday topics and stories and other things in life, but I honestly don't see it with the AI, ChaptGT technology, I'm EXTREMELY uncomfortable with it all and don't like it at ALL.
You have some interesting thoughts. Nevertheless, I agree with GiGi and Adam in the fact the Bible truly states God is not a man and that He is Spirit.
It also states that Spirit gives birth to spirit and flesh to flesh; which actually leaves me wondering - how is it possible then that God Who is Spirit which in the New Testament is truly stated as Spirit being INcapable of producing flesh, while in the Genesis account thousands of years earlier a clear impression of God creating bodies, i.e. flesh and bones, is portrayed.
Thus, I think I perceive your line of thinking in that it must be if God created man in His Own image, and while realizing man appears to be made of flesh and bones, God must be man.
It is very possible I'm misunderstanding you, and apologize ahead of time.
The reason I find your comments interesting is because I would agree with you ( I think) and the New Testament that man produces man and Spirit creates Spirit. Yet I believe a more logical option would be that if God is Spirit, and gives birth to spirit, then our reality is Spirit, not bodies.
How could a perfect God create an imperfect body, being destructible and thus not of His Kingdom? The body is a symbol of what we think we are. It is clearly a separation device. God is One and incapable of division and separation.
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That the true knowledge is only to be had by the immediate revelation of Christ in the soul. No man knows the Father, but the Son, and he to whom the son reveals him. The dead shall hear the voice of the son of God, and they that hear shall live. There is no raising of a dead soul to life, but by the immediate voice of Christ. Outward preaching, reading the Scriptures, &c. may direct and encourage men to hearken after and wait for the voice; but it is the immediate voice of Christ in the soul, which alone can quicken the soul to God: and till the light of life shine immediately from Christ in the heart, the true knowledge is never given. 2 Cor. 4:6. Therefore they that never yet heard the immediate voice of Christ, are still dead in their sins, and have not yet received the true, living knowledge, but a dead, literal knowledge, which gives a false shining of things in the dead part, but kills the life. Indeed the proper use of all means, is to bring to the immediate voice, life, and power; and till this be done, till the soul come to that, to hear that, to feel that, to be rooted there, there is nothing done that will stand; but men stick by the way, crying up the means, and never knowing, tasting, or enjoying the thing which the means point to.
But he that knows God comes into the immediate presence; and he that daily lives in God, lives in the immediate life; and the true faith leads to this, giving the soul such a touch and taste of it at first, as makes unsatisfiable without it. By this Christ cuts off the Jews, with all their zeal and knowledge. John 5:37-38. "Ye have not heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape; and ye have not his word abiding in you." There is the hearing of the voice, the sight of the shape, and the having the word of God abiding in the heart, which gives both the hearing of the voice, and the sight of the shape, and keeps the soul quick, and living in the life. The voice gives life, the sight of the shape daily conforms into the image, which is beheld by the eye of life; and the word abiding in the heart nourishes and feeds the living soul with the pure bread of life. But the Jews knew not this; but were crying up their sabbaths, the law of Moses, the ordinances of Moses, the temple of God, the instituted worship of God, and so were shut out of the thing itself which those things ended in, and out of a capacity of receiving it. And thus many zealous ones at this day, not having come to this, no more than the Jews did, but sticking in the letter of the gospel, as the Jews did in the letter of the law, stumble at the present dispensation of life, and cannot do otherwise.
You are right. "flesh and bones cannot be the image of God".
JESUS said: Luke 20:35-36
35 - They which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world(next world-Kingdom of GOD- Revelation 11:15-18.Take a look.)- , and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of GOD( John 1:14), being the children of the resurrection.
By the way, only and only JESUS was n ot born of the sin, was not of the Devil( John 8:44 & 46. Take a look.)
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of GOD - John 3:3.
"It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not." ( Lamentations 3:22)
...and in the wilderness where you saw how the LORD your God carried you, as a man carries his son, in all the way that you went until you came to this place.' ( Deuteronomy 1:31)
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. ( Romans 5:8)
The mercy of God and His lovingkindness are something that never pass; or grow old. It is something to daily praise Him for no matter what the circumstances as we know that we shall indeed be in His presence someday; and out of these old bodies whether by Rapture or Resurrection. He has secured us for all eternity. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. ( Psalm 103:12). As believers he has replaced our heart of stone with a heart of flesh ( Ezekiel 36:26). His children are sanctified and inevitably glorified ( Romans 8:30). Whether we consider the Israelites physically delivered from Egypt's bondage to the Promised Land; or our own delivery from the earth to heaven the Spirit seals believers with this "down payment" ( Eph. 1:13).
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That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. ( Matt. 5:45).
This verse is related to previous ones speaking of loving our enemies as part of the Sermon on the Mount. Christ shared close ties with Judas Iscariot; according to Psalm 41:9 "Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me." The unregenerate enjoy for a time the creation in this life but attribute their blessings to what they consider the "goodness" of their heart; their accomplishments; merits; accolades etc. See Ecclesiastes 8:11 for a warning on delayed judgment; also see Galatians 6:7.
Right. Very soon there will be TWO DISTINCTS MAN Beasts operating or reigning in the Earth in this current time of Apocalypse, time of the END( 1Corinthians 15:24-28.Take a look.) Let us be ready to face them with the Sword, the Word of GOD- Hebrews 4:12-13KJV-. As you said, they are:
1 - the Beast of sea
2 - the Beast of the earth
1 - The very old and serial Gentilic MAN Beast of sea - Rev.13:1-10- , has seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy, and whose very ancient roots are described in the verse 2.
2 - The MAN Beast of the earth having two horns like a lamb, a false lamb, in fact a false and ruthless messiah, Rev.13:11-18 combined with John 5:43-47 and 2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 and 9-12. Terrible. Terrible.
Let us prepare to enter and face the final environment of the last week of the Devil's world, and the establishment of the FIFTH universal Devil's kingdom, the Antichrist's kingdom, and also in the middle of this last week the Abomination of Desolation- Daniel 9:27-, this satanic Kingdom is represented and described allegorically in the feet and ten toes of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, part of iron and part of clay, according to Dan.2:41-45.Take a look.
In that fifth universal empire of the Devil, the universal empire of Antichrist, two satanic Beasts will be reigning on Earth, a Gentile Beast and a Jewish Beast, both represented literally in Rev.13, first as the Beast that rose out of the sea, rose from among the nations, from among the peoples, it rose precisely in Italy more or less 2.000 years ago still in the Roman Empire, and the second Beast, the Beast that will still rise from the Earth in this current time, precisely in Israel -Jerusalem- the holy city- this Beast will sit on his own throne as if he was God, claiming to be the messiah, actually an IMPOSTER, a false Christ,-Matt.24:23-, as JESUS warned us, and will exalt himself as if he were God, but he is MAN and not God.
Sorry my pastor but you rushed my statement before allowing the revelation to reveal itself.
As you say let us make a Man in our own image
Let us make a man in our own image
Your flesh and bones cannot be the image of God
Your flesh and bones get's sick
Image of God doesn't get sick
Your flesh and bones grows weary
God doesn't grow weary
Your flesh and bones dies
God doesn't die
Ezekiel Ezekiel Can this bones live again
Ezekiel Ezekiel Can this bones live again
This statement takes me back to creation when Adam was just lying lifeless body before God blew the spirit of Man which is God himself inside him.
Even after Ezekiel commanded the bones to come together did they have life? No
No he had to command the spirit of Man to come forth and give this lifeless bodies life.
The image of God is the Man inside you.
Remember Moses when he said I want to see you God face to face, He said no Man no flesh can see me and live again.
For you will never ever ever see the spirit inside you and Live again for you would have seen the image you were made in by God which is the image of Man that inside you
Flesh and bones are not the image of God but a creation of God, a shelter for his spirit the reason he constantly repeats and reminds us that his not Man, Is because he cannot be his own creation in form of flesh.
Adam when he was formed He never came alive, the Bible says he was lying lifeless and the spirit was blown inside then Adam came alive and carried the image of God inside him, the wisdom of Man which is God himself living as man inside flesh. There's was no school of thoughts for Adam, but still entrusted with a garden and it's naming for all species. God was a spirit of Man which formed flesh to dwell in it. The flesh can't be the image of God it's just a creation created for the Man Who was and still is God
What God meant through the prophet is that He is not Flesh and bones that he might change and again too prove that God is a man or should I say the spirit of Man that Lives inside flesh and bones.
Animal's still don't talk till today, because there's no man living inside them.
The Term Man in my statement doesn't limit God to being flesh but solely supreme Spirit to flesh, for flesh is dust and clay and when dust and clay grows weary it returns to the soil but the Man inside you returns to its creator. Let us debate this from this point
Hi StandTro, sorry for late reply: the anti-Christ spirit is anything that opposes the Word. All that stands against the teaching, mission, life of Jesus, anything that is counter to the Christian life is anti-Christ. However, the Man of Perdition, the 'hero' of the people that is yet to be revealed on the world-stage will aim to bring about a total collapse of Christianity and the morals and values that the True Christian stands for. It's already started as various Christian denominations are cherry-pick Scripture if it doesn't suit the current social narrative. So, for example Lev 18:22, 1 Cor 6:9 are now totally devalued; the thread of Scripture is being unraveled. In some quarters the Lord's Prayer is now seen as offensive and patriarchal. Thousands are leaving the Church as those in authority make sweeping changes to 'belief'. Souls are being lost as liberal, progressive, worldly bibles fail to teach the FULL and true Word. Currently, the United nations 53rd Human Rights Council have released a report that claims that religious freedom violates LGBT rights. The 5000+ Christians slaughtered in Nigeria last year don't make Mainstream news. Christianity is hanging by a thread: the anti-Christ spirit is satan doing his best to keep as many souls from returning to Jesus. But, wait, there are going to be more 'pandemics', crises, world 'problems' that need solving with a We're All In It Together mentally, and personal 'beliefs' and lifestyles are going to be counter-productive to the New Order. And the Man of Sin, seen by most as a hero, will 'save the day'.
The tribulation period and the wrath of God are different periods, to not get this right will throw off the timeline for the Lastdays prophecy in many ways.
In (Lu 17:27-30) v29 "But ((the same day)) that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all". Instead of focusing on them eating, and drinking and marrying, and giving in marriage, put your focus on THE SAME DAY. The same day Lot went out it rained fire and brimstone! The wrath of God starts the same day Jesus comes.
( 2 Thess 1:7-10) v7 "when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels".
v8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God" (In flaming fire taking vengeance on them is pouring out His wrath on them) The word (wrath) is #3709; it means violent passion, punishment, anger, indignation, ((vengeance)).
v9 "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power".
( John 3:36) In this verse He that believeth will be those who are taken in ( Mt. 24:40-42) the ones caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds in ( 1 Thess 4:16-17) which happens "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days" ( Mt 24:29-31)
Those who (believeth not) are the one's left in ( Mt. 24:40-42) the wrath of God abideth on them, the disobedient ones in ( Eph 5:6) and ( Col 3:6) and ( Rom 1:18)
Believers receive everlasting life!
non-believers receive the wrath of God!
( Zephaniah 1:14-18) v14 "The great day of the LORD is near" v15 "That day is a day of wrath".
These verses show us that God's wrath comes the same day Jesus comes.
( Rom 1:18) ( Eph 5:6) ( Col 3:6) ( Rev 6:16-17) God's wrath comes on bad, disobedient, non-believers in Jesus Christ.
( 1 Thess 5:9) Believers in Jesus are not appointed to wrath.
( 1Thess 1:10) The word (delivered) is 4506; it means to rush or draw (for oneself) to rescue.
( Rom 5:9) "being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him"
Today; as stated in my earlier post we don't have meals in church specifically commemorating Communion. In our country
not only do we not have many opportunities for feasting in special occasions (as marriages seem to be on the decline); but regular meals often are frenzied with cell phone interruptions or people glued to the TV set.
There are still some cultures where there is significance to taking an extended time and an elaborate meal. Such is the case in the Mediterranean and Middle East; and this can be a way missionaries can have an opportunity to witness the Gospel to Muslims in particular. It is fine under certain circumstances and at times necessary to do a quick Gospel presentation; but willingness to accept an invitation for a family meal can allow for more in depth conversation and interactions which also help to facilitate long term relationships that in time can bear fruit. Understanding how to initiate conversation in such environments often starts with the male head of the household. It takes wisdom and discernment when to fully engage in sharing the Gospel and when to offer evidence of error in other faiths (as it could cost us our lives). Nonetheless; we need to allow the Spirit to guide us in these situations.
Inviting the "poor; maimed; blind etc" ( Luke 14:13) is helpful as well at least in principal. Today our Pastor shared about someone in Cleveland who started giving basketballs to kids in a neighborhood that had a housing project in Ohio that shot up the business and set a car on fire. Eventually; in 10 years the man was feeding over 100 kids when he left that position. He had started just giving a few kids a free drink. It does take discernement admittedly these days with so many who expect handouts to help support drug or alcohol addiction. Perhaps more directly the mission field gives more opportunities; but there are places helping men to be productive; and at times we should help strangers
Agreed, there is lots to be said for meeting together for meals, whether as family or as brethren. These really should be a common occurrence in these situations. We can always celebrate what Christ has done for us and for our fellowship with Him when we met and eat together. It seems that people like to DO stuff together like going to a game or movie or a run. But we do not foster relationships that can survive well with just being together for a meals without all the other things we think we need to be doing together. Being together is better than doing together, I think. But there is also a time to work together for the Lord, to pray together for each other's needs or those of those afar.
I would so like to see a return to Sunday potluck dinners at church. Having met together in the morning for worship, one can finish off the Lord's Day with an evening meal with those we worship with in unity and truth.
The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! ( Luke 7:34).
And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. 32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found. ( Luke 15:31:32).
I have combined these verses to show the meaning of another verse ( Mark 2:19) which shows how with the bridegroom (Christ) present the Disciples couldn't fast but they would later on. Now of course that doesn't mean that they shouldn't fast such as what they lacked in Mark 9:29 for deliverance; what it DOES mean is that the joy of being present with the Lord when they were communing together resulted in enjoying meals together; like the Prodigal Son should have had with his father and restored brother.
Since we normally don't have "love feasts" together ( 1 Cor. 11:20-34) it may be a foreign concept but probably should be present in churches today or would often be a helpful concept. Nonetheless; for purposes here let us just refer to any communal meals we partake with our brothers and sisters in the Lord. IF; and I say that emphatically we are ever to imbibe in alcoholic beverages it should be to enjoy the celebration with family or trusted friends and of course praise and worship of God.
We also; of course have to abstain if we or anyone else present is known to have a problem with drinking.
The company we keep also in Christ's example was NOT swaying Him to sin but the Lord was clearly in charge of conversations.
I previously mentioned the lambasting Christ did to the Pharisees when they invited Him over for a meal; that happened more than once but never as clearly as in Luke 11; and Matthew 23. He certainly would be perceived as a most rude houseguest!!!!
We all like Paul have times of plenty and want; feasting and fasting more or less.
What Giannis said is equally true. Every major trauma the Lord went through He was hounded; such as with the death report of John the Baptist. He had perhaps a brief moment with the Disciples but attempting to be alone with them was rapidly ended with the throngs that came to Him for healings; etc. There is the very real possibility that although Christ was struggling to meet His needs in human form but He had to struggle further relying on the Spirit.
What I am saying is thinking about Job for instance we see the same sort of scenario. For bigger purposes Satan is allowed to buffet us when already weak when the Lord has the Spirit strengthen us because of purposes beyond our grasp. It is like Moses as well who was overwhelmed by the masses he was trying to appease; although the one time he succumbed to anger in human weakness it cost him from physically entering in the Promised Land in this life.
Clearly then it is most vital for us to pray for and support others who are in the ministry. We see that from Peter escaping from prison. Lack of such prayers also could allow some to die or struggle more than they would otherwise. How God works through prayer is a mystery; He of course intercedes for us and makes the prayer acceptable to God through His priestly ministry in heaven.
I can't help but think of what happens if we have a power grid failure; for instance. Suddenly we will suffer from long term issues. Those of us who are wise and can afford things such as solar energy or have their own farm; etc of course will do better.
Persecution as well could certainly deprive us of sleep not to mention other things often taken for granted today. May we all be as Christ who said meat for Him that the Disciples didn't know about was doing the will of God. ( John 4:34). In such a situation I would rather be the head than the tail so to speak. We will need to parcel out resources for our family but trust God for wisdom for others in need.
Hello Richard, I was just thinking the other day about what Scriptures say about putting a guard on our eyes, lest we look upon evil, or guarding our heart, lest we stray from our love of God to love other things that cannot satisfy as God can.
So this verse in Proverbs is a good one to learn from. I like what Giannis quoted from the Septuagint (Greek) about with all guarding guard your heart. This is very strong statement that instructs us to use all methods we have in our spiritual armory to guard our heats from the enemy who desires to destroy our faith, kill us, and rob us of what is good and dear to us. The malevolence of the enemy is unquenchable and the deceptions he can employ are quite varied. The sins we can be tempted by are so vast in number. We need to know our enemy and also the wickedness of our own sinful nature so that we can realize that the battle to guard our hearts will use ALL things that the Holy Spirit has equipped us with to set this guard strongly around our hearts so as to overcome whatever evil desire that would spring from our sinful nature or come before our senses. It takes practice and determination to change sinful habits of the mind and heart as well as the flesh, and above all, it takes submission to the Holy Spirit as Jesus always was in His humanity.
( Col. 3:4) "When Christ who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in ((glory))".
( 1 Pet. 5:4) "And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of ((glory)) that fadeth not away".
( Phil. 3:20-21) v21 "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his ((glorious)) body,"
( 1 Cor. 15:42-44) v42 "So also is the resurrection of the dead, It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption"
v43 "It is sown in dishonour; it is ((raised in glory)): it is sown in weakness; it is ((raised in power))":
v44 "It is sown a natural body; it is ((raised a spiritual body)). There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body".
( 1 Cor. 15:51-52) v51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed".
v52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and ((the dead shall be raised incorruptible)) and we shall be changed" (we will be fashioned like unto his glorious body) (we receive a crown of glory) (we appear with him in glory)
( 1 Thess. 4:16-17) v16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and ((the dead in Christ shall rise first)) (the dead shall be raised incorruptible) (sown in corruption, raised in incorruption) (sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory) (sown in weakness, it is raised in power)
Jesus comes back in ( Mt. 24:29-31) v29 "Immediately after the tribulation"
v30 "and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with ((POWER)) and great ((GLORY))".
This is the resurrection of the dead, the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we are caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds, we are all changed in the twinkling of an eye, fashioned like unto His glorious body, we receive a crown of glory.
The return on a white horse in ( Rev. 19:11-16) says nothing about clouds, trumpet sound, a gathering, or nothing about power and glory.
People in our lives can be very unwise and selfish in what they demand of others, such as the example from your pastor. Being firm and denying such requests are not selfish on our part if the other person wishes us to help commit harmful actions. Often times parents of adult children will 'guilt' their children into complying with their wishes. This is selfish behavior and we can speak up and talk about how gladly we do want to help or spend time with them, but their demanding of it or guilting us into it is manipulative behavior and we will not enable that. These are hard conversations to have and can either improve a relationship or put distance in such a relationship. But creating sound boundaries in relationships is not selfish. it benefits both parties.
As to Jesus sleeping on the boat, I think that He was confident in His Father to keep Him until the time was right for His sacrificial death. He also knew that while He slept in His human nature, His divine nature never needed sleep or rejuvenation that comes from such respites. Jesus' humanity was tested each day by the needs and interactions of the throngs of people he encountered daily. He and the disciples needed time away from this intensity to be together in intimate conversation and fellowship. Being on the boat afforded this. It also afforded the opportunity for sleeping or praying together. It was not selfish for Jesus to sleep or get away from the crowds. He always followed the lead of the Holy Spirit and His own divine nature to do all things perfectly righteously. He always did the will of His Father and the Godhead was always in agreement and unity in all things. However, Jesus' human nature needed all the things we do, sleep rest, food, variation in activities to keep us healthy mentally and physically. In His humanity, Jesus prayed as we all do. He worshipped the Father, as we all are called to do. He obeyed the Father, as we all are called to do. And learned the Scriptures.
It is my oldest and youngest sons that are married and my oldest son came back with his wife from Singapore at the end of June when she received her permanent visa. My middle son is not married yet, I keep praying for God to bring his wife into his life soon. And thank you for praying for their spiritual health. They all need to come back to Jesus and one wife needs to be converted from Islam and the other is from a Christian home.
1. About archangel Michael and Israel. I agree with you that this refers to the persecution of Jews by antichrist. God will send Michael to protect them, this is the incident whit woman in the wilderness, a figure of speech for keeping someone away to protect them.
2. About life just before rapture when I said it will be a normal life I meant about material things not the spiritual condition of the world. Paul tells us that the people of the last times will be the worse of all. It seems that the material condition of people is the opposite of their spiritual condition. The richer they are the less moral they become. It is true that when people suffer then they show more sympathy and mercy to others. That's why the previous generations were poorer but at the same time more moral than today's world
In Matth 24:29 says that immediately after the tribulation the sun, moon, stars will go dark and the powers of the heavens will be shaken and then Jesus comes. So the tribulation is after or at the same time as God's wrath, not before. and just before Jesus arrival
In Matth 24:38 says , "38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
Eating, drinking, marrying, building (says another gospel). These are activities of a normal life. People seem to be careless and unprepared and Jesus' coming will surprise them. This is not obviously the condition of the world during the time that the Revelation describes.
The above 2 scriptures seem to contradict each other if we assume a single coming of Jesus. So it has to be 2 separate comings. When is the first? Before the tribulation starts, ie normal life
The second? After the tribulation ends.
When is the tribulation? It cannot be before God's wrath because after the trib. Jesus comes.
I have been taught that this has to do with talking about our faith and tell our testimonies to people who we know or find out that they will behave like dogs or pigs. In such case we stop talking and go away. There is no benefit in talking to such people as long as they stay like that. If the change then yes, but not for the time being.
About Timothy 5;22, what I know is about laying hands to people who are not proper for a ministry because they are not really spiritually clean . Laying hands has to do, apart from other things, with anointing a deacon, an elder, a pastor or a minister or to acquire a gift like it was done to Timothy. If those people commit sins all the time and one has anointed them with light heart, then it is like partaking in their sins.
You have some interesting thoughts. Nevertheless, I agree with GiGi and Adam in the fact the Bible truly states God is not a man and that He is Spirit.
It also states that Spirit gives birth to spirit and flesh to flesh; which actually leaves me wondering - how is it possible then that God Who is Spirit which in the New Testament is truly stated as Spirit being INcapable of producing flesh, while in the Genesis account thousands of years earlier a clear impression of God creating bodies, i.e. flesh and bones, is portrayed.
Thus, I think I perceive your line of thinking in that it must be if God created man in His Own image, and while realizing man appears to be made of flesh and bones, God must be man.
It is very possible I'm misunderstanding you, and apologize ahead of time.
The reason I find your comments interesting is because I would agree with you ( I think) and the New Testament that man produces man and Spirit creates Spirit. Yet I believe a more logical option would be that if God is Spirit, and gives birth to spirit, then our reality is Spirit, not bodies.
How could a perfect God create an imperfect body, being destructible and thus not of His Kingdom? The body is a symbol of what we think we are. It is clearly a separation device. God is One and incapable of division and separation.
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That the true knowledge is only to be had by the immediate revelation of Christ in the soul. No man knows the Father, but the Son, and he to whom the son reveals him. The dead shall hear the voice of the son of God, and they that hear shall live. There is no raising of a dead soul to life, but by the immediate voice of Christ. Outward preaching, reading the Scriptures, &c. may direct and encourage men to hearken after and wait for the voice; but it is the immediate voice of Christ in the soul, which alone can quicken the soul to God: and till the light of life shine immediately from Christ in the heart, the true knowledge is never given. 2 Cor. 4:6. Therefore they that never yet heard the immediate voice of Christ, are still dead in their sins, and have not yet received the true, living knowledge, but a dead, literal knowledge, which gives a false shining of things in the dead part, but kills the life. Indeed the proper use of all means, is to bring to the immediate voice, life, and power; and till this be done, till the soul come to that, to hear that, to feel that, to be rooted there, there is nothing done that will stand; but men stick by the way, crying up the means, and never knowing, tasting, or enjoying the thing which the means point to.
But he that knows God comes into the immediate presence; and he that daily lives in God, lives in the immediate life; and the true faith leads to this, giving the soul such a touch and taste of it at first, as makes unsatisfiable without it. By this Christ cuts off the Jews, with all their zeal and knowledge. John 5:37-38. "Ye have not heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape; and ye have not his word abiding in you." There is the hearing of the voice, the sight of the shape, and the having the word of God abiding in the heart, which gives both the hearing of the voice, and the sight of the shape, and keeps the soul quick, and living in the life. The voice gives life, the sight of the shape daily conforms into the image, which is beheld by the eye of life; and the word abiding in the heart nourishes and feeds the living soul with the pure bread of life. But the Jews knew not this; but were crying up their sabbaths, the law of Moses, the ordinances of Moses, the temple of God, the instituted worship of God, and so were shut out of the thing itself which those things ended in, and out of a capacity of receiving it. And thus many zealous ones at this day, not having come to this, no more than the Jews did, but sticking in the letter of the gospel, as the Jews did in the letter of the law, stumble at the present dispensation of life, and cannot do otherwise.
Issac Penington
You are right. "flesh and bones cannot be the image of God".
JESUS said: Luke 20:35-36
35 - They which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world(next world-Kingdom of GOD- Revelation 11:15-18.Take a look.)- , and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of GOD( John 1:14), being the children of the resurrection.
By the way, only and only JESUS was n ot born of the sin, was not of the Devil( John 8:44 & 46. Take a look.)
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of GOD - John 3:3.
"It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not." ( Lamentations 3:22)
...and in the wilderness where you saw how the LORD your God carried you, as a man carries his son, in all the way that you went until you came to this place.' ( Deuteronomy 1:31)
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. ( Romans 5:8)
The mercy of God and His lovingkindness are something that never pass; or grow old. It is something to daily praise Him for no matter what the circumstances as we know that we shall indeed be in His presence someday; and out of these old bodies whether by Rapture or Resurrection. He has secured us for all eternity. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. ( Psalm 103:12). As believers he has replaced our heart of stone with a heart of flesh ( Ezekiel 36:26). His children are sanctified and inevitably glorified ( Romans 8:30). Whether we consider the Israelites physically delivered from Egypt's bondage to the Promised Land; or our own delivery from the earth to heaven the Spirit seals believers with this "down payment" ( Eph. 1:13).
WORD OF WARNING
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. ( Matt. 5:45).
This verse is related to previous ones speaking of loving our enemies as part of the Sermon on the Mount. Christ shared close ties with Judas Iscariot; according to Psalm 41:9 "Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me." The unregenerate enjoy for a time the creation in this life but attribute their blessings to what they consider the "goodness" of their heart; their accomplishments; merits; accolades etc. See Ecclesiastes 8:11 for a warning on delayed judgment; also see Galatians 6:7.
Right. Very soon there will be TWO DISTINCTS MAN Beasts operating or reigning in the Earth in this current time of Apocalypse, time of the END( 1Corinthians 15:24-28.Take a look.) Let us be ready to face them with the Sword, the Word of GOD- Hebrews 4:12-13KJV-. As you said, they are:
1 - the Beast of sea
2 - the Beast of the earth
1 - The very old and serial Gentilic MAN Beast of sea - Rev.13:1-10- , has seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy, and whose very ancient roots are described in the verse 2.
2 - The MAN Beast of the earth having two horns like a lamb, a false lamb, in fact a false and ruthless messiah, Rev.13:11-18 combined with John 5:43-47 and 2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 and 9-12. Terrible. Terrible.
Let us prepare to enter and face the final environment of the last week of the Devil's world, and the establishment of the FIFTH universal Devil's kingdom, the Antichrist's kingdom, and also in the middle of this last week the Abomination of Desolation- Daniel 9:27-, this satanic Kingdom is represented and described allegorically in the feet and ten toes of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, part of iron and part of clay, according to Dan.2:41-45.Take a look.
In that fifth universal empire of the Devil, the universal empire of Antichrist, two satanic Beasts will be reigning on Earth, a Gentile Beast and a Jewish Beast, both represented literally in Rev.13, first as the Beast that rose out of the sea, rose from among the nations, from among the peoples, it rose precisely in Italy more or less 2.000 years ago still in the Roman Empire, and the second Beast, the Beast that will still rise from the Earth in this current time, precisely in Israel -Jerusalem- the holy city- this Beast will sit on his own throne as if he was God, claiming to be the messiah, actually an IMPOSTER, a false Christ,-Matt.24:23-, as JESUS warned us, and will exalt himself as if he were God, but he is MAN and not God.
As you say let us make a Man in our own image
Let us make a man in our own image
Your flesh and bones cannot be the image of God
Your flesh and bones get's sick
Image of God doesn't get sick
Your flesh and bones grows weary
God doesn't grow weary
Your flesh and bones dies
God doesn't die
Ezekiel Ezekiel Can this bones live again
Ezekiel Ezekiel Can this bones live again
This statement takes me back to creation when Adam was just lying lifeless body before God blew the spirit of Man which is God himself inside him.
Even after Ezekiel commanded the bones to come together did they have life? No
No he had to command the spirit of Man to come forth and give this lifeless bodies life.
The image of God is the Man inside you.
Remember Moses when he said I want to see you God face to face, He said no Man no flesh can see me and live again.
For you will never ever ever see the spirit inside you and Live again for you would have seen the image you were made in by God which is the image of Man that inside you
Adam when he was formed He never came alive, the Bible says he was lying lifeless and the spirit was blown inside then Adam came alive and carried the image of God inside him, the wisdom of Man which is God himself living as man inside flesh. There's was no school of thoughts for Adam, but still entrusted with a garden and it's naming for all species. God was a spirit of Man which formed flesh to dwell in it. The flesh can't be the image of God it's just a creation created for the Man Who was and still is God
Animal's still don't talk till today, because there's no man living inside them.
The Term Man in my statement doesn't limit God to being flesh but solely supreme Spirit to flesh, for flesh is dust and clay and when dust and clay grows weary it returns to the soil but the Man inside you returns to its creator. Let us debate this from this point
The tribulation period and the wrath of God are different periods, to not get this right will throw off the timeline for the Lastdays prophecy in many ways.
In (Lu 17:27-30) v29 "But ((the same day)) that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all". Instead of focusing on them eating, and drinking and marrying, and giving in marriage, put your focus on THE SAME DAY. The same day Lot went out it rained fire and brimstone! The wrath of God starts the same day Jesus comes.
( 2 Thess 1:7-10) v7 "when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels".
v8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God" (In flaming fire taking vengeance on them is pouring out His wrath on them) The word (wrath) is #3709; it means violent passion, punishment, anger, indignation, ((vengeance)).
v9 "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power".
( John 3:36) In this verse He that believeth will be those who are taken in ( Mt. 24:40-42) the ones caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds in ( 1 Thess 4:16-17) which happens "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days" ( Mt 24:29-31)
Those who (believeth not) are the one's left in ( Mt. 24:40-42) the wrath of God abideth on them, the disobedient ones in ( Eph 5:6) and ( Col 3:6) and ( Rom 1:18)
Believers receive everlasting life!
non-believers receive the wrath of God!
( Zephaniah 1:14-18) v14 "The great day of the LORD is near" v15 "That day is a day of wrath".
These verses show us that God's wrath comes the same day Jesus comes.
( Rom 1:18) ( Eph 5:6) ( Col 3:6) ( Rev 6:16-17) God's wrath comes on bad, disobedient, non-believers in Jesus Christ.
( 1 Thess 5:9) Believers in Jesus are not appointed to wrath.
( 1Thess 1:10) The word (delivered) is 4506; it means to rush or draw (for oneself) to rescue.
( Rom 5:9) "being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him"
God Bless you.
Today; as stated in my earlier post we don't have meals in church specifically commemorating Communion. In our country
not only do we not have many opportunities for feasting in special occasions (as marriages seem to be on the decline); but regular meals often are frenzied with cell phone interruptions or people glued to the TV set.
There are still some cultures where there is significance to taking an extended time and an elaborate meal. Such is the case in the Mediterranean and Middle East; and this can be a way missionaries can have an opportunity to witness the Gospel to Muslims in particular. It is fine under certain circumstances and at times necessary to do a quick Gospel presentation; but willingness to accept an invitation for a family meal can allow for more in depth conversation and interactions which also help to facilitate long term relationships that in time can bear fruit. Understanding how to initiate conversation in such environments often starts with the male head of the household. It takes wisdom and discernment when to fully engage in sharing the Gospel and when to offer evidence of error in other faiths (as it could cost us our lives). Nonetheless; we need to allow the Spirit to guide us in these situations.
Inviting the "poor; maimed; blind etc" ( Luke 14:13) is helpful as well at least in principal. Today our Pastor shared about someone in Cleveland who started giving basketballs to kids in a neighborhood that had a housing project in Ohio that shot up the business and set a car on fire. Eventually; in 10 years the man was feeding over 100 kids when he left that position. He had started just giving a few kids a free drink. It does take discernement admittedly these days with so many who expect handouts to help support drug or alcohol addiction. Perhaps more directly the mission field gives more opportunities; but there are places helping men to be productive; and at times we should help strangers
Agreed, there is lots to be said for meeting together for meals, whether as family or as brethren. These really should be a common occurrence in these situations. We can always celebrate what Christ has done for us and for our fellowship with Him when we met and eat together. It seems that people like to DO stuff together like going to a game or movie or a run. But we do not foster relationships that can survive well with just being together for a meals without all the other things we think we need to be doing together. Being together is better than doing together, I think. But there is also a time to work together for the Lord, to pray together for each other's needs or those of those afar.
I would so like to see a return to Sunday potluck dinners at church. Having met together in the morning for worship, one can finish off the Lord's Day with an evening meal with those we worship with in unity and truth.
The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! ( Luke 7:34).
And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. 32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found. ( Luke 15:31:32).
I have combined these verses to show the meaning of another verse ( Mark 2:19) which shows how with the bridegroom (Christ) present the Disciples couldn't fast but they would later on. Now of course that doesn't mean that they shouldn't fast such as what they lacked in Mark 9:29 for deliverance; what it DOES mean is that the joy of being present with the Lord when they were communing together resulted in enjoying meals together; like the Prodigal Son should have had with his father and restored brother.
Since we normally don't have "love feasts" together ( 1 Cor. 11:20-34) it may be a foreign concept but probably should be present in churches today or would often be a helpful concept. Nonetheless; for purposes here let us just refer to any communal meals we partake with our brothers and sisters in the Lord. IF; and I say that emphatically we are ever to imbibe in alcoholic beverages it should be to enjoy the celebration with family or trusted friends and of course praise and worship of God.
We also; of course have to abstain if we or anyone else present is known to have a problem with drinking.
The company we keep also in Christ's example was NOT swaying Him to sin but the Lord was clearly in charge of conversations.
I previously mentioned the lambasting Christ did to the Pharisees when they invited Him over for a meal; that happened more than once but never as clearly as in Luke 11; and Matthew 23. He certainly would be perceived as a most rude houseguest!!!!
We all like Paul have times of plenty and want; feasting and fasting more or less.
What I am saying is thinking about Job for instance we see the same sort of scenario. For bigger purposes Satan is allowed to buffet us when already weak when the Lord has the Spirit strengthen us because of purposes beyond our grasp. It is like Moses as well who was overwhelmed by the masses he was trying to appease; although the one time he succumbed to anger in human weakness it cost him from physically entering in the Promised Land in this life.
Clearly then it is most vital for us to pray for and support others who are in the ministry. We see that from Peter escaping from prison. Lack of such prayers also could allow some to die or struggle more than they would otherwise. How God works through prayer is a mystery; He of course intercedes for us and makes the prayer acceptable to God through His priestly ministry in heaven.
I can't help but think of what happens if we have a power grid failure; for instance. Suddenly we will suffer from long term issues. Those of us who are wise and can afford things such as solar energy or have their own farm; etc of course will do better.
Persecution as well could certainly deprive us of sleep not to mention other things often taken for granted today. May we all be as Christ who said meat for Him that the Disciples didn't know about was doing the will of God. ( John 4:34). In such a situation I would rather be the head than the tail so to speak. We will need to parcel out resources for our family but trust God for wisdom for others in need.
So this verse in Proverbs is a good one to learn from. I like what Giannis quoted from the Septuagint (Greek) about with all guarding guard your heart. This is very strong statement that instructs us to use all methods we have in our spiritual armory to guard our heats from the enemy who desires to destroy our faith, kill us, and rob us of what is good and dear to us. The malevolence of the enemy is unquenchable and the deceptions he can employ are quite varied. The sins we can be tempted by are so vast in number. We need to know our enemy and also the wickedness of our own sinful nature so that we can realize that the battle to guard our hearts will use ALL things that the Holy Spirit has equipped us with to set this guard strongly around our hearts so as to overcome whatever evil desire that would spring from our sinful nature or come before our senses. It takes practice and determination to change sinful habits of the mind and heart as well as the flesh, and above all, it takes submission to the Holy Spirit as Jesus always was in His humanity.
( Col. 3:4) "When Christ who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in ((glory))".
( 1 Pet. 5:4) "And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of ((glory)) that fadeth not away".
( Phil. 3:20-21) v21 "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his ((glorious)) body,"
( 1 Cor. 15:42-44) v42 "So also is the resurrection of the dead, It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption"
v43 "It is sown in dishonour; it is ((raised in glory)): it is sown in weakness; it is ((raised in power))":
v44 "It is sown a natural body; it is ((raised a spiritual body)). There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body".
( 1 Cor. 15:51-52) v51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed".
v52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and ((the dead shall be raised incorruptible)) and we shall be changed" (we will be fashioned like unto his glorious body) (we receive a crown of glory) (we appear with him in glory)
( 1 Thess. 4:16-17) v16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and ((the dead in Christ shall rise first)) (the dead shall be raised incorruptible) (sown in corruption, raised in incorruption) (sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory) (sown in weakness, it is raised in power)
Jesus comes back in ( Mt. 24:29-31) v29 "Immediately after the tribulation"
v30 "and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with ((POWER)) and great ((GLORY))".
This is the resurrection of the dead, the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we are caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds, we are all changed in the twinkling of an eye, fashioned like unto His glorious body, we receive a crown of glory.
The return on a white horse in ( Rev. 19:11-16) says nothing about clouds, trumpet sound, a gathering, or nothing about power and glory.
People in our lives can be very unwise and selfish in what they demand of others, such as the example from your pastor. Being firm and denying such requests are not selfish on our part if the other person wishes us to help commit harmful actions. Often times parents of adult children will 'guilt' their children into complying with their wishes. This is selfish behavior and we can speak up and talk about how gladly we do want to help or spend time with them, but their demanding of it or guilting us into it is manipulative behavior and we will not enable that. These are hard conversations to have and can either improve a relationship or put distance in such a relationship. But creating sound boundaries in relationships is not selfish. it benefits both parties.
As to Jesus sleeping on the boat, I think that He was confident in His Father to keep Him until the time was right for His sacrificial death. He also knew that while He slept in His human nature, His divine nature never needed sleep or rejuvenation that comes from such respites. Jesus' humanity was tested each day by the needs and interactions of the throngs of people he encountered daily. He and the disciples needed time away from this intensity to be together in intimate conversation and fellowship. Being on the boat afforded this. It also afforded the opportunity for sleeping or praying together. It was not selfish for Jesus to sleep or get away from the crowds. He always followed the lead of the Holy Spirit and His own divine nature to do all things perfectly righteously. He always did the will of His Father and the Godhead was always in agreement and unity in all things. However, Jesus' human nature needed all the things we do, sleep rest, food, variation in activities to keep us healthy mentally and physically. In His humanity, Jesus prayed as we all do. He worshipped the Father, as we all are called to do. He obeyed the Father, as we all are called to do. And learned the Scriptures.
It is my oldest and youngest sons that are married and my oldest son came back with his wife from Singapore at the end of June when she received her permanent visa. My middle son is not married yet, I keep praying for God to bring his wife into his life soon. And thank you for praying for their spiritual health. They all need to come back to Jesus and one wife needs to be converted from Islam and the other is from a Christian home.
It is always good to hear from you.
1. About archangel Michael and Israel. I agree with you that this refers to the persecution of Jews by antichrist. God will send Michael to protect them, this is the incident whit woman in the wilderness, a figure of speech for keeping someone away to protect them.
2. About life just before rapture when I said it will be a normal life I meant about material things not the spiritual condition of the world. Paul tells us that the people of the last times will be the worse of all. It seems that the material condition of people is the opposite of their spiritual condition. The richer they are the less moral they become. It is true that when people suffer then they show more sympathy and mercy to others. That's why the previous generations were poorer but at the same time more moral than today's world
In Matth 24:29 says that immediately after the tribulation the sun, moon, stars will go dark and the powers of the heavens will be shaken and then Jesus comes. So the tribulation is after or at the same time as God's wrath, not before. and just before Jesus arrival
In Matth 24:38 says , "38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
Eating, drinking, marrying, building (says another gospel). These are activities of a normal life. People seem to be careless and unprepared and Jesus' coming will surprise them. This is not obviously the condition of the world during the time that the Revelation describes.
The above 2 scriptures seem to contradict each other if we assume a single coming of Jesus. So it has to be 2 separate comings. When is the first? Before the tribulation starts, ie normal life
The second? After the tribulation ends.
When is the tribulation? It cannot be before God's wrath because after the trib. Jesus comes.
CSmith happy birthday to you as well as, may the Lord keep you till the end.
GBU
About Matth. 7:6.
I have been taught that this has to do with talking about our faith and tell our testimonies to people who we know or find out that they will behave like dogs or pigs. In such case we stop talking and go away. There is no benefit in talking to such people as long as they stay like that. If the change then yes, but not for the time being.
About Timothy 5;22, what I know is about laying hands to people who are not proper for a ministry because they are not really spiritually clean . Laying hands has to do, apart from other things, with anointing a deacon, an elder, a pastor or a minister or to acquire a gift like it was done to Timothy. If those people commit sins all the time and one has anointed them with light heart, then it is like partaking in their sins.