Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 29

  • Bronco wildtrak - 1 month ago
    Famous saying " we are not sinners because we sin, we are sinners because we are born sinners ".

    Now we all know why we are sinners, it's one man's disobedience. " Adam "

    Romans 5:19

    For as by one man's disobedience many were madesinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    Blame it on Adam disobedience to God for our death, but God gives life .

    1 Corinthians 15:22

    For as inAdamall die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    We may all die in the flesh some day, but God give life through Jesus Christ .

    Romans 6:23

    For thewagesofsinis death; but the giftofGod is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

  • Fuji - In Reply - 1 month ago
    You make a very good arguement for your point thank you . Also , if we see that Christ is represented in the Old Testament by the Ark of the Covenant , then we must remember that the Ark contained the tablets of stone with the ten commandments on and also , that all of the ten commandments are based on love , love God and love our neighbour . This is the whole law , Jesus says that somewhere I'm sure .

    All those other laws are about punishments for breaking the ten commandments , punishments for sin . Humans created sin , God created love , indeed God is love .
  • Fuji - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Thank you and yes ! The Bible is life , I feel alive when I read it and I feel alive when I am going about my daily life whilst thinking about the things that I have read ! I am so grateful to God that He has given us this amazing way to feel connected to Him , we are alive in Christ and because of Christ ! He is the life in us ! He is the Way ! The Way to God , all we need do is keep his Words ( which God gave him to give to us ) in our hearts and minds as much as possible . Those Words are the water of life springing up in us . The Word is life !
  • Michael homan on John 2 - 1 month ago
    Thus saith Mary, mother of Jesus

    Whatsoever he saith unto you

    Do it
  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY - 1 month ago
    Day 20 January 20,2025 John 8:36 KJV

    West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar

    Me a member at West Angeles Cogic Church Cathedral Los Angeles California

    John 8:36 KJV

    My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:

    " Jesus Christ is Father and the Son same language you can understand is God for us to be heirs to all the world. To believe you can do and follow Jesus and become what your expected to be the truth of God Romans 8:2 KJV, 1 Corinthians 7:22 KJV. This is the life to live also exhibited. It is used in

    discipleship- to show the Holy bible is life

    saints/ citizens- free from sin Galatians 5:1 KJV, liability, set free from thraldom, ransom Mark 10:45 KJV, evil ,captivity of Satan.

    Freedom from the laws, rules, thraldom that are not of God moral and obedience to it. You are titled to freedom to the house of God and his supper. A example of analogy used family of God Himself.

    Ways you can be free from sin are to listen to God's voice and word to obey and follow " do it" (speaking, actions, attention of communications)

    Examples of people in the holy bible that made themselves free in God you can read and follow are Romans 1:1, 2 Peter 1:1, Revelation 1:1 .

    Word Spoken and Written by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Page 2. Woe.

    Matthew 5:18,19. Jesus was speaking about obedience to the whole Law, not to what the Pharisees taught that some Laws were less important to others. And as those under the Law, Jesus taught that the whole Law was current until "all be fulfilled" (i.e. only Jesus could keep the Law perfectly & through His death & resurrection, fulfilled the Law, removed the curse, by being made a curse on our behalf). Once that curse that the Law brought was removed by His death, we are no longer under the Law which only brought death, but now receive the blessing of Abraham, receiving God's Promises to us, not by the keeping the Law, but by obedience to the Spirit by the exercise of faith ( Galatians 3:10-14, also Romans 8:2-4).

    Yes, Jesus' death fulfilled all the sacrifices that Israel had to do year-by-year, and these sacrifices looked forward to God's Perfect once-for-all Sacrifice. But only by Jesus' death could the New Covenant be ushered in, the Old had to be abolished, or else the New could not take effect (you can't have two Covenants operating simultaneously). And the Old Covenant most certainly included the Ten Commandments & every Law that was given to Israel. Those who are in Christ no longer abide by a Law that only had condemnation & death as its end, but now we can live according to the ministry of the Holy Spirit Who gives Life & Power to know & abide by all of God's Commandments.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Page 1.

    Thank you Woe for your detailed response. If I might begin at the start of your comment. You referred to Galatians chapter 3 & Exodus 34:28. The Covenant that God made with Abraham (otherwise called the Abrahamic Covenant) had nothing to do with the Ten Commandments ( Ex 34:28 doesn't indicate that at all). The Abrahamic Covenant is found in various portions in Genesis 12:1-3; Genesis 15:18-21; Genesis 17:1-22; Genesis 22:16-18. The Ten Commandments were never given to Abraham; Abraham was commended for his faith & obedience, outside of any Law. He only received the Promise.

    Galatians 3:17-19 which you quoted. Verse 17 particularly: "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect". The comparison here is made to the promise of God to Abraham (the Covenant), that the Ten Commandments were given 430 years after God's Promises to Abraham. So, there aren't two Laws, just one given at Mt. Sinai - what was given to Abraham wasn't the Law but the inheritance by Promise. (cont'd on Page 2)
  • Woe - In Reply - 1 month ago
    So lets break this down for you to see; God's Ten Commandments are not the laws that Jesus did away with.

    When we read below, we are shown that the Covenant law is distinct and separate from the sin laws which came 430 years later as clearly shown in verse 17. Those later additions were sacrificial laws and days set up to be observed for sin offering and the days created pertaining to them, due to sin. They were not given by God, but added because of men's transgression. They were added by men, not God.

    Galatians 3

    17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

    18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

    19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    The law questioned in the incipient part of verse 19, specifically applies to this part of verse 17; "the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after".

    The law questioned in verse 19 above, doesn't apply to the Ten Commandments, which is discussed in the first part of verse 17.

    With some reading comprehension; There are in fact two distinct laws being discussed in verse 17. The first is The Covenant Law of God The Ten Commandments. The second discussed is; what was added 430 years later due to sin of men, and added by men.

    Galatians tells us it is those later additions that were to be removed by Jesus, but they would remain until Jesus did away with them, however, Jesus, Himself, tells us that God's Covenant law will remain in effect until the heaven and earth are removed.
  • Woe - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Sorry. Scripture clearly disagrees with your statement the the 10 Commandments only apply to the Jews. This is discussed in Galatians 3. There was confusion as to what law Jesus did away with. The law of the Covenant that was given to Abraham was The Ten Commandments. Just as is also recorded when Moses re-wrote them on the tablets. The laws for sin were added later and it is these that Jesus came to do away with. We see The Ten Commandments were the words of the Covenant.

    See here;

    Exodus 34:28

    "And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."

    Exodus 34 specifically says the words of the Covenant that was made with Abraham are God's Ten Commandments.

    Then in Galatians we are show the difference between God's Law and those added due to sin, by men, the laws for sin were added 430 year later and were not part of the Covenant Law which is The Ten Commandments.

    It's why Jesus says;

    Matthew 5:18

    "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

    See also;

    Galatians Chapter 3

    17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

    18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

    19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    God's Ten Commandments remain in effect for all men.

    Jesus tells all men to keep the Commandments of God. There is no Conversion if men reject them.

    Revelation 14:12

    Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
  • Bronco wildtrak - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Fuji thank you for sharing John chapter 4. I can read this chapter and find so much wisdom.

    I find this very interesting because Apostle Paul didn't baptize many people. " 1 Corinthians 1:17

    For Christ sent me not tobaptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. "

    John 4:2

    (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

    It amaze me that she claim Jacob as of her father and was not even a Jew herself. " Romans 2:29

    But he is aJew, which is oneinwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. "

    John 4:12

    Art thou greater than our fatherJacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

    Because Jesus told her, she had five husbands, she believed the more. " Proverbs 15:3

    The eyes of theLordare in every place, beholding theevilandthegood. "

    John 4:18

    For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly

    When God made Adam and Eve, they were both soul and spirit first. God made them at the same time. " Genesis 1:27

    So God createdmanin his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. "

    John 4:24

    God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    Jesus had a command to the twelve: " Matthew 10:5

    These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commandedthem, saying,GonotintothewayoftheGentiles, and into any cityoftheSamaritans enter yenot: "

    John 4:27

    And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

    John 4:42

    And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

    The Bible is a great book and is alive ...
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Thanks brother Jesse for the time you've taken to help increase our knowledge & understanding of God's Word. Many things have been quite new to me & doubtless, for both knowledge & edification. Speaking of "edifying, a construction term": could the one who has been edified now be called an edifice? Just kidding of course. Then of course, we also have certain in the Church considered as 'pillars of the faith'; so there seems to be good use of terms describing the building up of the Body of Christ on Earth. Thanks again brother - looking forward to Galatians.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 month ago
    (2 Corinthians Part 30):

    2 Corinthians 13:9 - For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.

    For we are glad, when we are weak, and you are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.

    The word "perfection" is KATARTIDZO, which means to mend. It's a medical term for the mending of broken bones. It's very important why Paul would not say the word for maturity, but the word for mending. We see the same word in Matthew 4:21.



    In Ephesians 4:12, Paul used KATARTIDZO, and we have translated it "equipping of the saints." It has nothing to do with equipping the saints. It's the mending of the saints. He says in Ephesians Chapter 4 that God has given those in ministry for the mending of the saints for the work of ministry.

    In other words, the first priority in a believer's life is to get their life mended, healed, so that they can get on their feet and have a good healthy relationship with the Lord. Then they enter into ministry or service as God calls!

    2 Corinthians 13:11 - Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

    First of all, farewell literally means to rejoice. CHAIRETE is the Modern Greek term for greetings, either hello or goodbye. So, when he says farewell, he says be rejoicing. But you should also know that in Greek, the word rejoicing has nothing to do with a happy feeling. It's the Greek word for satisfaction or contentment.

    Second command, be perfect. Again, KATARTIDZO. Be of good comfort, or encouragement. And again, this is the Passive Voice. It means receive encouragement from God. Be of one mind, frame of mind. It means to have the same approach to life and the things of Christ.

    That's all I have for 2 Corinthians. On to Galatians next. We're getting into shorter books so this should go a little quicker. Some of you are probably saying "thank God!"

    Blessings to you all in Christ Jesus!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 month ago
    (2 Corinthians Part 29):

    2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

    Here, Paul quotes Deuteronomy19:15. And what is interesting is that the word for "word" is the word RHEMA, which is not only the word for a word or speech, but it is also used for a thing, like an issue. What it's really saying is everything is to be established by the mouth of two or three witnesses.

    That principle is not only found in the Old Testament, but it was taught by Jesus in Matthew 18:15-21. Jesus said if somebody has offended you, sinned against you, you go to them privately and settle the matter. If he will not hear you, he doesn't want anything to do with what you are saying, the second phase is to take two witnesses to establish what's going on. A lot of people don't understand this phase.

    2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

    Examine yourselves, whether you be in the faith; That's not a religious term about the faith. The word faith in the New Testament is a word speaks of literally being under the persuasion of God's Spirit. That's what the word faith means. It means persuasion. So, are you under the influence of God's Spirit? Are you in the faith?

    2 Corinthians 13:7 - Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

    Now I pray to God that you do no evil; The word evil is KAKOS, which means to do harm or wrong.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 month ago
    (2 Corinthians Part 28):

    2 Corinthians 12:20 - For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

    For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as you would not: That is, you expect me to show up, and we have friendly fellowship. But if I show up and find you in a certain condition, then you're going to find me in a different condition than you would have expected.

    Lest there be debates, and that's the word for quarreling. Envyings is literally jealousies. Wraths is literally bouts of anger, outbursts of rage. The next one is strifes, and it's related to the word for debates, except this is a political word that means self-ambition.

    Backbitings is public slander and defamation. Whisperings is the word for whisper, but it means private slander against others. Swellings, which literally is the word inflation. It has to do with pride. And tumults is disorderliness. It's even used for causing riots, people who cause war and battle in churches.

    Quarrels, jealousies, bouts of rage, self-ambition, public slander, private slander, pride, and disorderliness, he says you guys' better shape up, because if I come and I find these things, then I'm going to have to deal with it!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 month ago
    (2 Corinthians Part 27):

    2 Corinthians 12:18 - I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked we not in the same spirit? walked we not in the same steps?

    I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? Again, expecting the answer no. Walked we not in the same spirit? Here there is a different Greek word that means yes. Walked we not in the same steps? And again, it's expecting the response of yes. It is important not just for one person to have the proper motive, but make sure that he doesn't send other people with the wrong motive.

    2 Corinthians 12:19 - Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.

    The word think is the word presume. And the word excuse is the word for apologetics, a defense. So again, do you presume that we are making a defense of ourselves to you? We speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying. The word edifying is a construction term that means to be developed, to build a house. He says our whole purpose and motivation is your growth in the Lord. Again, very rare to have a pure motive like that!
  • Jesse - 1 month ago
    (2 Corinthians Part 26):

    2 Corinthians 12:9 - And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

    And he said unto me, and the term "he said" is called the Perfect Tense in Greek which means this is going to be a standard condition for Paul. This is a standard principle and concept that is true from God.

    2 Corinthians 12:12 - Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

    This word patience is the word HUPOMENO which means endurance.

    2 Corinthians 12:14 - Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

    For I seek not yours, but you: Wow! The word "you" is literally (your soul). He's saying I don't seek what you have, your possessions, your money, whatever. I seek you, your soul. Talk about conviction! The only motivation for service to others is the condition of their soul. Paul says I'm not after your things. The Lord wants me to be concerned about people's souls, not about their possessions. It doesn't matter if they have money or not. It depends upon their soul.

    2 Corinthians 12:17 - Did I make a gain of you by any of them whom I sent unto you?

    In the Greek text, this expects the negative answer. Paul did not make gain of them, nor did he send anyone to them to make gain of them.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Brother Spencer,

    It's possible that if they had the Holy Spirit, they may have been able to discern, but no guarantee. As for Matthew 28:17, those who were following along but still had doubt seem to fit the description given to us in James 1:8 of a "double-minded man." In Matthew Chapter 28, they see Jesus, they are worshipping Him, but there's another side of them that says this is too good to be true. They still had their doubts.

    We know that Peter trusted Jesus, but when he was placed in an extremely difficult circumstance, he began to doubt as we see in Matthew 14:31. Peter was trying to look at Jesus and trust Him, and yet looking at the circumstances at the same time. We know Peter was saved. What become of those doubters in Matthew 28:17, we don't know but we can only hope that the Lord removed their doubt just as He did for Peter.

    Blessings again my brother!
  • S Spencer - 1 month ago
    Great reminder Brother Jesse.

    Judas Iscariot would be a good example of that.

    No one suspected him. He fit right in with them from the outside looking in.

    I've wondered if the Desciples would have been given the Spirit at that time would they have been able to disern that something wasn't quite right with him.

    In Matthew 28:17 It amazes me how they saw the Lord, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

    Again, Thanks for all that you do.

    Blessings
  • Fuji - 1 month ago
    John chapter 4 is a long chapter and lots of different things happen in it . The things that stand out to me are :

    Verse 10+11 is this the water previously mentioned in chapter 3 verse 5 ?

    Jesus reveals himself as the Messiah to a Samaritan woman ! How many times does Jesus not tell people that he is the Messiah or if they do recognise him he tells them to tell no one ? Dozens I think and yet here he is telling a woman who is a Samaritan that she's talking to the promised Messiah ! Amazing and very significant I think . Then , later on , it's obvious that some of these Samaritans didn't believe her account of Jesus because they say in verse 42 : Now we believe , not because of thy saying : for we have heard him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ , the Saviour of the world . This reminds me of when Mary ran to tell the disciples that she had seen Jesus ressurected and they didn't believe her ! This also teaches me that I need to read the Bible , read God's Words for myself and not rely on someone else account of these things , search the scriptures Jesus says , this I will do . I also noticed that it doesn't say that the Samaritans were convinced that Jesus is the Messiah because of a miracle but because of what Jesus said to them but in verse 48 , when Jesus was in Galilee , he says : Except ye see signs and wonders , ye will not believe . The Samaritans didn't need to see signs and wonders .

    Verse 24 : God is a Spirit reminds me of Luke chapter 24 verse 39 : Behold my hands and my feet that it is I myself : handle me , and see ; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see me have . A very exciting chapter , full of information and I'm certain I haven't noticed everything of significance !
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Howard,

    I will be keeping her in my prayers.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Brother Spencer,

    Those are great verses you gave from Matthew Chapter 7. This tells us that there are people who are going to be amongst the Christians, amongst the fellowship of the church, and they are going to look like sheep, and they are going to act like sheep. But they are not saved believers.

    I'm also reminded of Judas Iscariot. He was in the fellowship with the other disciples and yet he was evil the entire time. When Jesus said one of you will betray me, the other disciples had no idea it was Judas. None of them even suspected Judas. He probably played the part well, looking and acting like the others, but he was evil from the beginning to the end.

    I am finishing up with 2 Corinthians. Hopefully I can post later this evening.

    Blessings to you also!
  • Hope1954 - 1 month ago
    Don't Trump the Dream,

    Genesis 37/5
  • Zamar2Zion - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Glory to God on Earth, as it is in Heaven. God bless in the name of Jesus I ask.
  • Zamar2Zion - 1 month ago
    Revelation 2:1-5

    1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith He that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

    2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

    3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for My name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

    4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

    5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

    Remember when we first came to God, how we were in sin and the love we felt in those saved.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Amen Brother Jesse.

    That should cause caution!

    One can have desires and praise and yet be deceived!

    As you stated, "It's possible to do. It's possible to look, act, talk, and believe like a Christian, and not be a Christian"

    I believe that is why Matthew 7:15-16 reads, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

    You notice it didn't say, "you should know them by their works?

    There are people who believe the things they do Authenticate their position in Christ.

    It's not what you do! It's what Christ does WITH you!

    Blessings.
  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY - 1 month ago
    Day 19 January 19, 2025 Philippians 2:3-4 KJV West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar

    Me being a member at West Angeles Cogic Church Cathedral Los Angeles California

    Philippians 2:3 KJV

    My interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:

    " Having faith and prayer to get what you want.Render and reverence things that are sincere. Sincere- pure, real. Philippians 1:10 KJV. I am a example of cordial and sincere.(oral tradition) Romans 12:10 KJV

    My life as Christian helps others in being services To become like God

    Always performaning righteousness, holiness in actions "to do it"

    Jesus Christ is God John 14:6 KJV, Romans 10:9-10 KJV Reason and Truth.

    The Spirit of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only way to divine healing.

    Being" clothed in Christ " through baptism means that a person is covered by Christ (covering). "

    These are Reverence amd render scriptures you can apply to be on your own Romans 13:1 KJV, 1 Peter 2:13,1 Corinthians 13:4-5 KJV.

    Philippians 2:4 KJV

    My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:

    "Believing in God showing yourself as Christian how to help. To have faith Ephesians 2:8,10 KJV.

    Showing yourself mind of Christ-like-minded to one another Example of a Quote define Unity. One example of a guaranteed result is abolish of selfish.

    Honor of Christ

    Prayer

    Obedience

    Peace of Christian Church

    Embaracing teaching of Jesus, Seeking stillness before God, relying on the power of prayer, trusting in his constant presence.

    Word Written and Spoken by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 month ago
    In your presentation Woe, you mentioned, "The Whore and the Harlot daughters are false churches. They take the name of Christ, but they don't follow the Commandments of God. Specifically, they reject the 4th Commandment and in doing so they break all of the others too."

    The Ten Commandments, and most certainly the 4th, has nothing to do with the Church of Christ Jesus. Please consider Exodus 31:12-18. In that passage, there are three distinct occasions where the children of Israel are spoken of & that they alone were to keep the Sabbath Day holy. It was never given to the Gentiles, & certainly not to Christ's Church. True, there were imposter Churches around then as also today, but the marks of their falsehood are not seen in the keeping of the Ten Commandments, rather in the preaching of a defective Gospel and their incorrect understanding and handling of the Word of God.

    Where the Decalogue was given to Israel to obey, or where even our Lord told the people to "keep the commandments" (e.g. Matthew 19:17), all was done because the Law was still in force & the New Covenant in Christ's Blood was not ushered in as yet. Once the price for sin was paid & accepted by the Father, only those believing in Jesus to save them from the awful penalty for their sin, could be redeemed, saved, given new birth by the Holy Spirit, and come under the New Covenant administered by the Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:6-11. The Old has been abolished, which is the Law (contained) in ordinances (Gk. dogmasim) ( Ephesians 2:14-16).
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 month ago
    (2 Corinthians Part 25):

    2 Corinthians 12:7 - And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

    The purpose for suffering is to keep the human from being exalted. That tells us, along with the rest of the teaching of scripture, that the flesh loves to be exalted. The flesh likes to be proud and arrogant. We all have that sense inside of us that we want to be accepted, and that we want to be thought of as successful in the outward appearance by people. We don't like to be rejected. We don't like to feel like we are accomplishing nothing and that we are nobody.

    Paul says, "There was given to me a thorn in the flesh." The word thorn comes from a word that means a stick or pole with a pointed end on it. It's used for spears. A thorn in the flesh was given to Paul. In the Greek, this is what is called an Apposition. Thorn in the flesh and messenger of Satan are equal in the Greek text.

    The thorn in the flesh was a messenger of Satan. Messenger is the word angel. It's translated messenger so we would know that this particular angelic demonic force was sent as a messenger with a purpose. Buffet means to strike someone with your fist. The purpose: lest I should be exalted above measure.

    It sounds pretty harsh, and many Christians don't believe that a God of love would ever allow that to happen. It's because we have never taken the time to learn the difference between the flesh and the spirit.

    The flesh, Paul says in Romans Chapter 8, is hostile against God. And that in the flesh is the law of sin and death. And it is impossible for the flesh to keep the laws of God. It is hostile towards God. In Romans 7:18, Paul said that in my flesh dwells no good thing (AGATHOS), a reference to spiritual things. Our flesh only produces human work, fleshly expression. There isn't anything spiritual about our human at all!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 month ago
    (2 Corinthians Part 24):

    2 Corinthians 12:2 - I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

    He says, I knew a man in Christ above, or a little more than fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;)

    So, whether this happened while this man was still inside of his body and he was just unconscious, or in a coma, or whether this man's spirit actually left his body, like he died and had this experience and came back in his body.

    He says I can't tell whether it's an in the body or out of the body experience. Only God knows. He says such a one was caught up to the third heaven. The term caught up is the same word from 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 about the rapture. It means to be snatched away or caught away. Such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 month ago
    (2 Corinthians Part 23):

    2 Corinthians 11:13 - For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

    That's very interesting. I'll share an English breakdown of the two Greek words in the bible that are important as far as transformation goes. One is METASKEMA. MATA in both words means change. Whenever you're denoting a change, you put META in front of the word. SKEMA is where we get our word schematic from, and it means an outward sketch. It is something without substance. It's just a sketch like an architectural drawing or a schematic drawing. And that is the word that is found here.

    METASKEMATIDZO is the verb form, and this has to do with changing the outside, changing the human, the outside. METAMORPHOSIS is the other word. It means a transformation and change from within. It's a different nature, a different character.

    And what is interesting is that Paul is saying here that these are false apostles, deceitful workers, and they are transforming themselves through discipline and human effort, changing the human to preach, and believe, and look and act like a Christian. That's scary. The reason why it's scary is because it's possible to do. It's possible to look, act, talk, and believe like a Christian, and not be a Christian. That's scary!

    2 Corinthians 11:28 - Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.

    Can you imagine if you had a father's heart for all the converts in all the churches as a father does his child, and he keeps hearing, and he keeps praying, and he keeps visiting all the various churches. Now the word care is the word MERIMNAO. It means the occupation of the attention of your mind. Not only do I have all of these circumstances that I have to deal with, but I also am occupied, concerned, with all the churches.


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