Men who share the Mind of Christ don't live as individual persons of flesh; they are dead/crucified in ONE sacrificed, yet revived, body of fleshbelieving, by faith, that their spirits are Quickened to Eternal Life and hidden with Christ as ONE, New Man. They occupy this world to be daily reminders of God's Sacrifice for the sins of all flesh.
Day 31 January 32, 2025 Pressing Forward Philippians 3:13-14 KJV West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar
I pray for Perseverance to run the race set before me to recieve the prize of the high calling of God and Holy Bible examples.
Philippians 3:13 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" Reaching for obedience in Jesus Christ and to recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost. To have faith beyond measure. To walk by faith not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7 KJV, Romans 8:2 KJV .To do and say. My faith reading holy bible, trusting God has giving me opportunity to run the race set before " Words Spoken and Written by me of God."
Philippians 3:14 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" To receive the prize having faith." Romans 8:2 KJV, Romans 9:16 KJV
Hello Fuji. That's a good question, because if we try to find reference to what the people said in John 12:34 in the Mosaic Law, even in the Pentateuch, then we will be disappointed. Sometimes, reference to the Law doesn't imply the Mosaic Law, but the Laws & all of the Word of God that is the body of the Old Testament. An example of this would be when Jesus answered the Jews in John 10:34, "Is it not written in your LAW, I said, Ye are gods?" It was never written in the Mosaic Law, but in Psalm 82:6, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." And "gods" here is the other meaning of Elohim, and that is 'judges or rulers'. Another example is in John 15:25 (cf Psalm 35:19 & Psalm 69:4) or 1 Corinthians 14:21 (cf Isaiah 28:11,12).
So, the reference you gave won't be found in the Mosaic Law, but derived from the references elsewhere to Christ's eternal existence. And my Bible cross references the following to John 12:34: Psalm 110:4, Isaiah 9:7, and Daniel 7:13,14. Hope this helps a little.
Can anyone shed some light on John chapter 12 verse 34 ? Where specifically in the law of Moses , does it state that the Christ / Messiah , shall live forever ? I could probably find it easy in the prophets but can't think where it would be in the books of Moses .
I realize I have diverted from your point, but to show that both ordinances given to us are simple: the water baptism is done only once to immediately show one's identification with the One Who gave His Life for him. The Lord's Table is a continual reminder of the Cross & thankful to God for His Gift. Both the water & the bread/wine are the means used for our declaration, with no merit in those acts that are added to the participant.
The Corinthian Church gorged themselves on the food that was set aside for 'proclaiming the Lord's Death till He come'; and Paul refers to that in 1 Corinthians 11:20-22,33,34. In this act, they sinned against the Lord Who bought them & had done despite to the Sacrifice of such great value. So Paul warned them of their sin of mistreatment of the Lord's Table, & hence there was apparently sickness, even death, amongst them. I wouldn't dare point the finger at anyone suffering in the Church today, but it must have been abundantly clear to the apostle of the reason for their sufferings. Or, maybe today, with such a small portion given at the Lord's Table, no one could even imagine that that would satisfy hunger, rather, the act of participation in such a solemn act must be done in a manner befitting the serious but thankful child of God.
Just as the water in water baptism remains only water & doesn't convert into a medium of transmitting grace or blessing, so to the bread & wine at the Lord's Table receives no change, whether by faith or no faith, and as well as not transmitting anything to the partaker; but simply a vivid symbol of Christ's loving Act for them. OUTSIDE the Church, the water baptized believer would soon be judged by the world, likely resulting in persecution; however, INSIDE the Church, the believer sinfully partaking at the Lord's Table will be judged by Christ. GBU.
Brother Giannis. I know your comment was directed to bro. Ronald, but you did ask generally about the heavy penalty for such an unworthy participation if done only in a symbolic ceremony.
The way I understand 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 concerning the strong language Paul uses, with the judgements associated with partaking at the Lord's Table unworthily, is that the partaker is very careless (whether in unconfessed sin, unbelief, for appearance sake, irreverence (as spoken of here), etc.) at the Table. This bread & wine represents our Savior's agonizing death for our full salvation - how can anyone treat this act in such a way that brings shame to Christ's Sacrifice & greatly diminish the powerful memory that should be present in each partaker?
If I use the other ordinance that we have been given, viz. water baptism, we note that it isn't administered with a warning to participants; probably because only the genuine repenter would be prepared to declare publicly his turning to Jesus & to face the consequences. Unfortunately, both the ordinances we practise today in the Church are far removed from their original design. But if we take the way water baptism was performed, in all biblical examples given to us, we see that as soon as the Gospel was given, those who believed, repenting, discarding their old religion & sins, were baptized - no further examination - no penalty. Today however, we require those wanting baptism to attend baptismal classes & be observed for a changed life, before immersion into the water. Why? Because the one leading a lost soul to the Lord had disobeyed Christ's command to baptize, by neglecting to do so immediately. And so we put the act of obedience to the Lord in baptism, to the baptizee instead of the baptizer. Onto Page 2.
Obviously Joseph wouldn't be able to BUY fine line if the day of Jesus' crucifiction was on Passover. So the Passover was after it got dark on Friday which was Sabbath for the Jews.
So it seems that the story of the first trhee was a rough, not so accurate in details, story, so John corrected it. John writes a very different gospels than the rest, because he has nothing to add to their gospels, apart from what he wants to correct. Like Jesus didn't actually initially call Peter, John and James in that incident with the boats, but He called them after His baptism while they were John's disciples. John 1:29-40.
Now about what you have, and others, shared about the bread and wine being emblems, nobody seems to answer the question of how is it possible the participation in a symbolic ceremony carries the heaviest penalty of all, that is death, if taken unworthily. Think about it. Thanks brother, I like the way you write, although we differ in a number of beliefs. GBU
Mark 14:12, "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?:
Matthew 26:17 agrres to that. Similarly Luke 22:7, "Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat."
So the meaning of Luke 22:15 is that Jesus actually ate the passover meal with his disciples.
Now we know from Exodus 12:1-11, that the lambs were sacrificed in the evening of the 14th of Nisan and immediately after when it got dark and the 15th of Nisan started, according to how the Israelites were considering their days and nights, they ate the passover meal. Exodus 12:11, "And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover."
But John disagrees to them. He places the Passover one day later. John 18:28, "Then led they (the Pharisses) Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover."
Having in mind that John wrote his gospel last of all, actually as the tradition says many decades after the first three evangelists, when he was in his 80's or 90's, and knew what they had written in their gospels, his story seems to be the right one. So it seems that Jesus ate the passover meal with His apostles one day earlier, probably because He knew that he would be in the tomb the day of the passover. If we see some details in the gospels of the first three, we get the same conclusion. Example: Mark 12:45, "And he BOUGHT fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre."
Thanks, brother I have heard other preachers teach this so-called gap theory. They may be trying to match with science on dating the earth, but like you, there's nothing to back it up, that dog want hunt.
I will pray for your continued recovery from surgery. If you are in so much pain, does the doctor know? Have you asked for pain meds that can be more effective?
I am sorry you are hurting so much. My prayer is that the surgery was successful and that you heal quickly and thoroughly.
Agreed brother Ronald; I too find this theory very hard to swallow, given the Scriptures we have before us. Yet, as in all things that are outside the revelations from Scripture, we can only make assumptions that are not clearly based on fact - and therefore can only be withheld in our hearts & not broadcasted so as to lead others astray.
And there is nothing in this theory of a pre-Adamic world that any Scripture gives support or leaning to. I did listen for a little while (for 10 mins) to Dake's talk on this subject ("Finis J Dake teaching on the pre-adamite world", presented by Dake Publishing, Inc), but had to turn aside when Dake spoke of God knowing how a man or devil would behave (in relation to sin), only after they sinned. Does this not deny the Omniscience of God? For this is why the Gospel of Salvation was already in God's great Plan, knowing that His creation would be tempted by Satan, fall into sin, & into total disrepair & judgement, save for the Mercy of God to offer the life-line of salvation. Indeed, Dake speaks very well, and as you wrote, with an eidetic memory (not knowing whether he always uses a script or not), so can be convincing with his clear & powerful speech; though in the greater part, I'm sure he is very biblical & thorough in his understanding of the Word & presentation of it. Blessings & thanks for offering those insights.
I have watched a few of Dake's videos, and I find him to be a very intelligent man with an eidetic memory; he is also quite convincing. While there are Scriptures in the Old Testament that pertain to the end times, some prophecies have already been fulfilled. It can be easy to take a theory and find Bible verses that seem to support it.
One thing to note is that Dake teaches about a pre-Adamic world, which he places between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. However, there are no Scriptures to back this claim.
As Jesus said to His disciples when they asked about the destruction of the temple, "Take heed that no man deceive you."
Thank you, and God bless, study with prayer and open ears to the Holy Spirit for your understanding
I want to compare Passover to Jesus' Last Supper, as they are distinct events with significant meanings. Passover, as outlined in Exodus 12, involves the Israelites roasting whole lambs, and eating them with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. They were instructed to eat in haste, ready to leave Egypt, establishing a lasting ordinance for future generations.
Matzah, or unleavened bread, symbolizes the swift departure from Egypt, while bitter herbs represent the bitterness of slavery. Passover lambs were sacrificed on the 14th and eaten on the night of the 15th. This is why the disciples were at the temple sacrificing lambs instead of being present at the cross when Jesus died.
In Luke 22:15, it is made clear that the Last Supper, the Lord's Supper, was not a Passover meal. Jesus mentioned He would not eat the Passover with His disciples, and the Last Supper occurred on the 14th before the sacrificial lambs were killed. Jesus was crucified later that day; the Passover meal is eaten on the 15th Jesus was in the tomb when the Passover meal was eaten.
During the Last Supper, Jesus and His disciples were reclining, not standing with staffs. After their meal, Jesus instituted the new covenant, which commemorates His death for us, rather than being a Passover observance.
Jesus Christ fulfills the Passover, with every instruction pointing to Him and the New Covenant. Just as the Israelites were protected by the blood on their doorposts, we receive life through Jesus' blood. The lamb without blemish symbolizes His perfect, sinless life. The 14th of Nisan, the day of Jesus' crucifixion, is also when the Passover lambs were sacrificed, illustrating the completeness of His sacrifice.
The wine and bread symbolize His body and blood, sacrificed for us, as Jesus fulfills Passover, becoming the final sacrifice that leads us from death to eternal life.
I hope this makes sense, just my understanding. Thank you, brother, for continuing your work,
Thanks again brother for another great explanation going through Galatians. Though I did let out a bellow of a laugh when I read of you wanting to put "From henceforth let no man trouble me" as your answering machine response to those calling you, disturbing your meditations, peace, & sanity (sorry for these my musings). Looking forward to Ephesians. GBU.
I'm reading cpt 3 of revulation. Can some one explain to me why the church of Philadelphia was the only church Christ seems to be easier on than the other 6 churches.
Was the church of Philadelphia the only church trying to do the right thing in Christ eyes.
Thanks brother Jesse for sharing that. I found it very fascinating indeed about the stripes & holes in the unleavened matzo bread - something I'd never heard about or considered. I did look it up to try & get some photos, and as you wrote, there were stripes, at least the appearance of stripes from the baking process in the oven & certainly holes, which I understand were poked into the dough, for the air to be released during the bake. Of course, when the time of the Passover meal was to be eaten, and Jesus' application to that matzo bread & the cup made, then the relevance & reality of His upcoming crucifixion was all the more real. Will leave it up to others here to discern whether this last meal was entirely symbolic of what would come ahead & before their eyes, or whether Jesus' flesh & Blood was actually transmitted & transmuted into their meal. For me, it seems convincingly clear. That was great - many thanks.
Galatians 6:18 - Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
Brethren, you see, he still calls them brethren. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and notice in italics the word be, it's literally the word is. It's not a wish or a prayer. It is a statement of fact. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ is with your spirit. God's grace is always with the believer's spirit. Not with the flesh, but in the inner man where Christ dwells. And he says Amen.
This is all I have to share in Galatians. As the Lord leads, I will be going through Ephesians next.
Galatians 6:10 - As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good to all men. And again, that's the word AGATHOS. It's the good of God. It doesn't mean do humanitarian good things. It means the goodness of the Spirit of God ministering through us to others. As you have opportunity, do good to all men. It's not human effort. It's the Spirit of God. Especially unto them that are of the household of faith. The believers in Christ are top priority!
Galatians 6:17 - From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
From henceforth let no man trouble me: I think I'm going to put that on my telephone answering machine. That's a pretty good one. Stop calling! Let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. The Greek word is STIGMA. What he's saying is, and he's using the term for the branding of slaves. Slaves were branded with either their master's name or some kind of identification. Paul says let no one trouble me, I bear in my body, and he was someone that the Christians said that it was very difficult to look at this man.
He had so many physical problems. You can imagine the many beatings and stonings. He has scars and scabs. He suffered from malaria, caught eye disease. His eyes were never clear. He always had a running substance coming out of them. This is all in service to Christ. He was branded. In his body, he carried the brand of the Lord Jesus. He was sacrificial in serving. So, it's basically like saying "I don't need any more trouble!"
Galatians 6:6 - Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
It says, let him that is taught in the word. I'll share some definitions with you. The word taught means verbally instructed or lecturing, a person that is being lectured by verbal instruction. The command is communicate, again characteristics, to the one who is teaching (same word), to the one who is verbally teaching or lecturing. And concerning: in all good things.
In the command, it says to communicate. And that's the word KOINONIA. It's the word used in the bible for fellowship. It means to have something in common. That's what fellowship is. Here it means to share. Let the one who is taught in the word share with him that is teaching in all good things.
The word good is our word AGATHOS which is produced by the Holy Spirit according to Galatians 5:23. It is the good of God, the Spiritual good that is produced by God. So, when it says in all good things, it's talking about the things of God. The person who is teaching, they are sharing the good things of God. The people who are being taught are also to share back the good things of God.
Galatians 6:7- Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
It says, be not deceived. That's a command, and it literally means to be led astray. Do not be led astray!
The reason: God is not mocked. The concept, the basic principle that is the same for believers, non-believers, every human being in every circumstance of life, whatsoever a man sows, that he shall also reap. We're not getting away with anything. God is not mocked. He has a built-in law in life that whatever we plant, that's what's going to grow. That's going to be the fruit and result of our life.
Galatians 6:2 - Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Interesting that we see the word burden twice, here, and again in Verse 5. It is two different Greek words. The principle here is bear one another's burdens. This word means weight or weightiness of a burden, of a load. And in application, what he's saying here is that if this man has sinned and you have to handle the matter, what a hassle to get your life involved in other people's lives!
It's very time consuming. It's much easier to take a vote and throw somebody out. I mean, it's a heavy deal. There are some people that have some pretty heavy problems and struggles that they're going through. And most of the time, we don't have time.
Galatians 6:5 - For every man shall bear his own burden.
Wait a minute! He says we're to bear one another's burdens, and now he says we are to bear our own burden. Remember, the first one is weight, the weightiness of the load. We are to help other people with the weightiness of their load.
But this word is the word freight. So, you have the word freight, and you have the word weight. This word for burden is used for a backpack for a soldier. And I think that's a good example. If you're a soldier and you are carrying your own backpack, and each one of us are carrying our own load. But when somebody begins to crumble under the weight of their load, we are to help them with the heaviness, or weightiness of their load while carrying our own pack.
You see, I am not to carry your cargo. I am to help you with the weightiness of it (with this person that was caught in a sin). I'm not to bear the brunt of his discipline for this, but to help him in the weightiness of the situation to get it resolved. I can't carry your load for you. You can't carry mine. But sometimes the load gets heavy, and we reach out to help each other in our situations.
Galatians 5:23 - Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Meekness, and as the old saying goes, "Meekness does not mean weakness." It means openness or receptivity. It's one of the words that Paul used for those in ministry. It's also translated gentleness. But it means to be open. The person who's giving the word and ministering the things of Christ, that person must be more open and receptive than any other person. They can't close themselves off like they have arrived and everybody else hasn't. They have to be open.
And then temperance means self-control, or more literally the control of self. This is not self-control like trying to enforce discipline in our eating. "I've got to exhibit more self-control when I eat." This word means to be controlled from within, to be controlled by the Spirit of God. And then he says against such there is no law. And again, he's saying that this is the fruit of God's Spirit. There is no law against these.
Galatians 5:24 - And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the passions and desires. We have already been crucified. It's an Aorist Tense.
Galatians 5:26 - Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
The word provoking means to challenge, to call people out.
Galatians 5:22 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
But the fruit of the Spirit is, and please note that the word fruit is singular. People have tried to fit all this into a singular fruit. Most of the time people say love is the fruit that all the others are based on, so it's singular. No, it's actually more inclusive than that! All of these items are elements of the same and the one fruit. You cannot separate love from faith, and joy from faith, and joy from love because it's from the same Spirit. There's only one Spirit and this is Him.
So, the first element of the one fruit is love, AGAPE. God's Spirit produces love, not you or me. Joy, and that's not the dishwashing soap! It's the Greek word for satisfaction. Be satisfied with the Lord at all times. The word peace means unity, EIRENE.
Longsuffering means to be slow in human reaction. In God's standpoint, I can tolerate and be slow in my human reaction because that is a characteristic of God's Spirit, not me. Gentleness, which is literally the word kindness, and it has to do with being useful. It is Spiritual usefulness. The bible says that if you don't know Christ, you are not spiritually useful at all!
Goodness, this is where good and goodness and all the words that have to do with AGATHOS come from. It displays not a human goodness, but a Spiritual Godly goodness.
Galatians 5:21 - Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
And then envyings, which is very close to the next word murder. It's where you envy what someone else has, even to the extent that you will try to kill them for it. Drunkenness, and actually it is plural. Drunkenness'. And this is a person who is continuously under the influence. And revellings, plural, is parties, partying where the drunkenness takes place.
Now the penalty for the works of the flesh, he says and such like:
What we just went through, the list is just an example. Such things like these, of which I tell you before, and also I told you in time past, that they which do such things, and the word "do" in Greek is the word practice, PRASSO. That they which practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. So, it's not talking about a person that might get angry or might commit one of these things and repent. That's not what he's talking about. These are people who live a lifestyle of practicing these things.
You mentioned that the early Christians participated in communion by sitting in tables eating like Jesus and the apostles did at the last supper. You have probably seen paintings of The Last Supper as most of us have. If you notice in the painting, they are all sitting on one side of the table looking towards the artist.
That's the vision we get when we think of The Last Supper. But it looked nothing like that. They did not have chairs so the were not sitting. What they did was they reclined at the table. This table had no legs, just a large piece of wood that sat on the floor. But they were not all on the same side of the table. The way they would do it is that they would have the guest of honor (In this case, Jesus), and then it would go from oldest to youngest, the oldest to the right (behind Jesus), and then it would go around the table in order all the way to the youngest which would have been John, directly in front of Jesus.
What they would do is they would put their right arm up on the table and they would actually be reclining. They would actually be laying down with their feet in the back and they would be reaching over and eating with one hand. That's why some find it strange that the one whom Jesus loves is resting on His chest. But that is because he is leaning back onto Jesus, and there is a conversation going on between Jesus and John about what's happening around the table.
One last thing that I find interesting is in Luke 22:15, it is not "the" Passover but "this" Passover. It will be the last Passover. The Messianic Jews to this day hold that Passover meals, now each year, is only a remembrance that this Passover meal is the last Passover meal until Christ comes, very interesting!
Sorry for being long winded. Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. And may the Lord continue to give you a hunger for His word. God Bless!!!
I pray for Perseverance to run the race set before me to recieve the prize of the high calling of God and Holy Bible examples.
Philippians 3:13 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" Reaching for obedience in Jesus Christ and to recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost. To have faith beyond measure. To walk by faith not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7 KJV, Romans 8:2 KJV .To do and say. My faith reading holy bible, trusting God has giving me opportunity to run the race set before " Words Spoken and Written by me of God."
Philippians 3:14 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" To receive the prize having faith." Romans 8:2 KJV, Romans 9:16 KJV
Examples of prize reference Holy Bible
To receive Jesus Christ God the Father
5 senses- touch, sight, hearing, taste, smell.
Spiritual Blessings
Eternal Life
Happiness
Grace
Hands to reap, return to me
Unity with God
Santification
Justification
Word Spoken and Written by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
So, the reference you gave won't be found in the Mosaic Law, but derived from the references elsewhere to Christ's eternal existence. And my Bible cross references the following to John 12:34: Psalm 110:4, Isaiah 9:7, and Daniel 7:13,14. Hope this helps a little.
Love to brother but it will be tomorrow.
God bless,
RLW
I realize I have diverted from your point, but to show that both ordinances given to us are simple: the water baptism is done only once to immediately show one's identification with the One Who gave His Life for him. The Lord's Table is a continual reminder of the Cross & thankful to God for His Gift. Both the water & the bread/wine are the means used for our declaration, with no merit in those acts that are added to the participant.
The Corinthian Church gorged themselves on the food that was set aside for 'proclaiming the Lord's Death till He come'; and Paul refers to that in 1 Corinthians 11:20-22,33,34. In this act, they sinned against the Lord Who bought them & had done despite to the Sacrifice of such great value. So Paul warned them of their sin of mistreatment of the Lord's Table, & hence there was apparently sickness, even death, amongst them. I wouldn't dare point the finger at anyone suffering in the Church today, but it must have been abundantly clear to the apostle of the reason for their sufferings. Or, maybe today, with such a small portion given at the Lord's Table, no one could even imagine that that would satisfy hunger, rather, the act of participation in such a solemn act must be done in a manner befitting the serious but thankful child of God.
Just as the water in water baptism remains only water & doesn't convert into a medium of transmitting grace or blessing, so to the bread & wine at the Lord's Table receives no change, whether by faith or no faith, and as well as not transmitting anything to the partaker; but simply a vivid symbol of Christ's loving Act for them. OUTSIDE the Church, the water baptized believer would soon be judged by the world, likely resulting in persecution; however, INSIDE the Church, the believer sinfully partaking at the Lord's Table will be judged by Christ. GBU.
Brother Giannis. I know your comment was directed to bro. Ronald, but you did ask generally about the heavy penalty for such an unworthy participation if done only in a symbolic ceremony.
The way I understand 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 concerning the strong language Paul uses, with the judgements associated with partaking at the Lord's Table unworthily, is that the partaker is very careless (whether in unconfessed sin, unbelief, for appearance sake, irreverence (as spoken of here), etc.) at the Table. This bread & wine represents our Savior's agonizing death for our full salvation - how can anyone treat this act in such a way that brings shame to Christ's Sacrifice & greatly diminish the powerful memory that should be present in each partaker?
If I use the other ordinance that we have been given, viz. water baptism, we note that it isn't administered with a warning to participants; probably because only the genuine repenter would be prepared to declare publicly his turning to Jesus & to face the consequences. Unfortunately, both the ordinances we practise today in the Church are far removed from their original design. But if we take the way water baptism was performed, in all biblical examples given to us, we see that as soon as the Gospel was given, those who believed, repenting, discarding their old religion & sins, were baptized - no further examination - no penalty. Today however, we require those wanting baptism to attend baptismal classes & be observed for a changed life, before immersion into the water. Why? Because the one leading a lost soul to the Lord had disobeyed Christ's command to baptize, by neglecting to do so immediately. And so we put the act of obedience to the Lord in baptism, to the baptizee instead of the baptizer. Onto Page 2.
Obviously Joseph wouldn't be able to BUY fine line if the day of Jesus' crucifiction was on Passover. So the Passover was after it got dark on Friday which was Sabbath for the Jews.
So it seems that the story of the first trhee was a rough, not so accurate in details, story, so John corrected it. John writes a very different gospels than the rest, because he has nothing to add to their gospels, apart from what he wants to correct. Like Jesus didn't actually initially call Peter, John and James in that incident with the boats, but He called them after His baptism while they were John's disciples. John 1:29-40.
Now about what you have, and others, shared about the bread and wine being emblems, nobody seems to answer the question of how is it possible the participation in a symbolic ceremony carries the heaviest penalty of all, that is death, if taken unworthily. Think about it. Thanks brother, I like the way you write, although we differ in a number of beliefs. GBU
Thanks brother, it would be interesting to hear. I know you are a busy man so whenever will be good. Have safe travel.
God bless,
RLW
May I share my thoughts on what you posted?
Mark 14:12, "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?:
Matthew 26:17 agrres to that. Similarly Luke 22:7, "Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat."
So the meaning of Luke 22:15 is that Jesus actually ate the passover meal with his disciples.
Now we know from Exodus 12:1-11, that the lambs were sacrificed in the evening of the 14th of Nisan and immediately after when it got dark and the 15th of Nisan started, according to how the Israelites were considering their days and nights, they ate the passover meal. Exodus 12:11, "And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover."
But John disagrees to them. He places the Passover one day later. John 18:28, "Then led they (the Pharisses) Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover."
Having in mind that John wrote his gospel last of all, actually as the tradition says many decades after the first three evangelists, when he was in his 80's or 90's, and knew what they had written in their gospels, his story seems to be the right one. So it seems that Jesus ate the passover meal with His apostles one day earlier, probably because He knew that he would be in the tomb the day of the passover. If we see some details in the gospels of the first three, we get the same conclusion. Example: Mark 12:45, "And he BOUGHT fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre."
I see the gap theory as an great possibility,
You are hurting my feelings! lol!
Just kidding on my feelings being hurt.
I see there may be some truths to an early earth and a Gap Theory but not pre Adam mankind.
I will explain why on a later date.
I've been on a very busy schedule this month.
Blessings.
Thanks, brother I have heard other preachers teach this so-called gap theory. They may be trying to match with science on dating the earth, but like you, there's nothing to back it up, that dog want hunt.
God bless,
RLW
I will pray for your continued recovery from surgery. If you are in so much pain, does the doctor know? Have you asked for pain meds that can be more effective?
I am sorry you are hurting so much. My prayer is that the surgery was successful and that you heal quickly and thoroughly.
And there is nothing in this theory of a pre-Adamic world that any Scripture gives support or leaning to. I did listen for a little while (for 10 mins) to Dake's talk on this subject ("Finis J Dake teaching on the pre-adamite world", presented by Dake Publishing, Inc), but had to turn aside when Dake spoke of God knowing how a man or devil would behave (in relation to sin), only after they sinned. Does this not deny the Omniscience of God? For this is why the Gospel of Salvation was already in God's great Plan, knowing that His creation would be tempted by Satan, fall into sin, & into total disrepair & judgement, save for the Mercy of God to offer the life-line of salvation. Indeed, Dake speaks very well, and as you wrote, with an eidetic memory (not knowing whether he always uses a script or not), so can be convincing with his clear & powerful speech; though in the greater part, I'm sure he is very biblical & thorough in his understanding of the Word & presentation of it. Blessings & thanks for offering those insights.
I have watched a few of Dake's videos, and I find him to be a very intelligent man with an eidetic memory; he is also quite convincing. While there are Scriptures in the Old Testament that pertain to the end times, some prophecies have already been fulfilled. It can be easy to take a theory and find Bible verses that seem to support it.
One thing to note is that Dake teaches about a pre-Adamic world, which he places between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. However, there are no Scriptures to back this claim.
As Jesus said to His disciples when they asked about the destruction of the temple, "Take heed that no man deceive you."
Thank you, and God bless, study with prayer and open ears to the Holy Spirit for your understanding
RLW
I want to compare Passover to Jesus' Last Supper, as they are distinct events with significant meanings. Passover, as outlined in Exodus 12, involves the Israelites roasting whole lambs, and eating them with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. They were instructed to eat in haste, ready to leave Egypt, establishing a lasting ordinance for future generations.
Matzah, or unleavened bread, symbolizes the swift departure from Egypt, while bitter herbs represent the bitterness of slavery. Passover lambs were sacrificed on the 14th and eaten on the night of the 15th. This is why the disciples were at the temple sacrificing lambs instead of being present at the cross when Jesus died.
In Luke 22:15, it is made clear that the Last Supper, the Lord's Supper, was not a Passover meal. Jesus mentioned He would not eat the Passover with His disciples, and the Last Supper occurred on the 14th before the sacrificial lambs were killed. Jesus was crucified later that day; the Passover meal is eaten on the 15th Jesus was in the tomb when the Passover meal was eaten.
During the Last Supper, Jesus and His disciples were reclining, not standing with staffs. After their meal, Jesus instituted the new covenant, which commemorates His death for us, rather than being a Passover observance.
Jesus Christ fulfills the Passover, with every instruction pointing to Him and the New Covenant. Just as the Israelites were protected by the blood on their doorposts, we receive life through Jesus' blood. The lamb without blemish symbolizes His perfect, sinless life. The 14th of Nisan, the day of Jesus' crucifixion, is also when the Passover lambs were sacrificed, illustrating the completeness of His sacrifice.
The wine and bread symbolize His body and blood, sacrificed for us, as Jesus fulfills Passover, becoming the final sacrifice that leads us from death to eternal life.
I hope this makes sense, just my understanding. Thank you, brother, for continuing your work,
God bless,
RLW
Was the church of Philadelphia the only church trying to do the right thing in Christ eyes.
Thanks again for your kind and encouraging words. Amen!
Galatians 6:18 - Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
Brethren, you see, he still calls them brethren. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and notice in italics the word be, it's literally the word is. It's not a wish or a prayer. It is a statement of fact. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ is with your spirit. God's grace is always with the believer's spirit. Not with the flesh, but in the inner man where Christ dwells. And he says Amen.
This is all I have to share in Galatians. As the Lord leads, I will be going through Ephesians next.
God Bless you all!
Galatians 6:10 - As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good to all men. And again, that's the word AGATHOS. It's the good of God. It doesn't mean do humanitarian good things. It means the goodness of the Spirit of God ministering through us to others. As you have opportunity, do good to all men. It's not human effort. It's the Spirit of God. Especially unto them that are of the household of faith. The believers in Christ are top priority!
Galatians 6:17 - From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
From henceforth let no man trouble me: I think I'm going to put that on my telephone answering machine. That's a pretty good one. Stop calling! Let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. The Greek word is STIGMA. What he's saying is, and he's using the term for the branding of slaves. Slaves were branded with either their master's name or some kind of identification. Paul says let no one trouble me, I bear in my body, and he was someone that the Christians said that it was very difficult to look at this man.
He had so many physical problems. You can imagine the many beatings and stonings. He has scars and scabs. He suffered from malaria, caught eye disease. His eyes were never clear. He always had a running substance coming out of them. This is all in service to Christ. He was branded. In his body, he carried the brand of the Lord Jesus. He was sacrificial in serving. So, it's basically like saying "I don't need any more trouble!"
Galatians 6:6 - Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
It says, let him that is taught in the word. I'll share some definitions with you. The word taught means verbally instructed or lecturing, a person that is being lectured by verbal instruction. The command is communicate, again characteristics, to the one who is teaching (same word), to the one who is verbally teaching or lecturing. And concerning: in all good things.
In the command, it says to communicate. And that's the word KOINONIA. It's the word used in the bible for fellowship. It means to have something in common. That's what fellowship is. Here it means to share. Let the one who is taught in the word share with him that is teaching in all good things.
The word good is our word AGATHOS which is produced by the Holy Spirit according to Galatians 5:23. It is the good of God, the Spiritual good that is produced by God. So, when it says in all good things, it's talking about the things of God. The person who is teaching, they are sharing the good things of God. The people who are being taught are also to share back the good things of God.
Galatians 6:7- Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
It says, be not deceived. That's a command, and it literally means to be led astray. Do not be led astray!
The reason: God is not mocked. The concept, the basic principle that is the same for believers, non-believers, every human being in every circumstance of life, whatsoever a man sows, that he shall also reap. We're not getting away with anything. God is not mocked. He has a built-in law in life that whatever we plant, that's what's going to grow. That's going to be the fruit and result of our life.
Galatians 6:2 - Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Interesting that we see the word burden twice, here, and again in Verse 5. It is two different Greek words. The principle here is bear one another's burdens. This word means weight or weightiness of a burden, of a load. And in application, what he's saying here is that if this man has sinned and you have to handle the matter, what a hassle to get your life involved in other people's lives!
It's very time consuming. It's much easier to take a vote and throw somebody out. I mean, it's a heavy deal. There are some people that have some pretty heavy problems and struggles that they're going through. And most of the time, we don't have time.
Galatians 6:5 - For every man shall bear his own burden.
Wait a minute! He says we're to bear one another's burdens, and now he says we are to bear our own burden. Remember, the first one is weight, the weightiness of the load. We are to help other people with the weightiness of their load.
But this word is the word freight. So, you have the word freight, and you have the word weight. This word for burden is used for a backpack for a soldier. And I think that's a good example. If you're a soldier and you are carrying your own backpack, and each one of us are carrying our own load. But when somebody begins to crumble under the weight of their load, we are to help them with the heaviness, or weightiness of their load while carrying our own pack.
You see, I am not to carry your cargo. I am to help you with the weightiness of it (with this person that was caught in a sin). I'm not to bear the brunt of his discipline for this, but to help him in the weightiness of the situation to get it resolved. I can't carry your load for you. You can't carry mine. But sometimes the load gets heavy, and we reach out to help each other in our situations.
Galatians 5:23 - Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Meekness, and as the old saying goes, "Meekness does not mean weakness." It means openness or receptivity. It's one of the words that Paul used for those in ministry. It's also translated gentleness. But it means to be open. The person who's giving the word and ministering the things of Christ, that person must be more open and receptive than any other person. They can't close themselves off like they have arrived and everybody else hasn't. They have to be open.
And then temperance means self-control, or more literally the control of self. This is not self-control like trying to enforce discipline in our eating. "I've got to exhibit more self-control when I eat." This word means to be controlled from within, to be controlled by the Spirit of God. And then he says against such there is no law. And again, he's saying that this is the fruit of God's Spirit. There is no law against these.
Galatians 5:24 - And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the passions and desires. We have already been crucified. It's an Aorist Tense.
Galatians 5:26 - Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
The word provoking means to challenge, to call people out.
Galatians 5:22 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
But the fruit of the Spirit is, and please note that the word fruit is singular. People have tried to fit all this into a singular fruit. Most of the time people say love is the fruit that all the others are based on, so it's singular. No, it's actually more inclusive than that! All of these items are elements of the same and the one fruit. You cannot separate love from faith, and joy from faith, and joy from love because it's from the same Spirit. There's only one Spirit and this is Him.
So, the first element of the one fruit is love, AGAPE. God's Spirit produces love, not you or me. Joy, and that's not the dishwashing soap! It's the Greek word for satisfaction. Be satisfied with the Lord at all times. The word peace means unity, EIRENE.
Longsuffering means to be slow in human reaction. In God's standpoint, I can tolerate and be slow in my human reaction because that is a characteristic of God's Spirit, not me. Gentleness, which is literally the word kindness, and it has to do with being useful. It is Spiritual usefulness. The bible says that if you don't know Christ, you are not spiritually useful at all!
Goodness, this is where good and goodness and all the words that have to do with AGATHOS come from. It displays not a human goodness, but a Spiritual Godly goodness.
Galatians 5:21 - Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
And then envyings, which is very close to the next word murder. It's where you envy what someone else has, even to the extent that you will try to kill them for it. Drunkenness, and actually it is plural. Drunkenness'. And this is a person who is continuously under the influence. And revellings, plural, is parties, partying where the drunkenness takes place.
Now the penalty for the works of the flesh, he says and such like:
What we just went through, the list is just an example. Such things like these, of which I tell you before, and also I told you in time past, that they which do such things, and the word "do" in Greek is the word practice, PRASSO. That they which practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. So, it's not talking about a person that might get angry or might commit one of these things and repent. That's not what he's talking about. These are people who live a lifestyle of practicing these things.
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You mentioned that the early Christians participated in communion by sitting in tables eating like Jesus and the apostles did at the last supper. You have probably seen paintings of The Last Supper as most of us have. If you notice in the painting, they are all sitting on one side of the table looking towards the artist.
That's the vision we get when we think of The Last Supper. But it looked nothing like that. They did not have chairs so the were not sitting. What they did was they reclined at the table. This table had no legs, just a large piece of wood that sat on the floor. But they were not all on the same side of the table. The way they would do it is that they would have the guest of honor (In this case, Jesus), and then it would go from oldest to youngest, the oldest to the right (behind Jesus), and then it would go around the table in order all the way to the youngest which would have been John, directly in front of Jesus.
What they would do is they would put their right arm up on the table and they would actually be reclining. They would actually be laying down with their feet in the back and they would be reaching over and eating with one hand. That's why some find it strange that the one whom Jesus loves is resting on His chest. But that is because he is leaning back onto Jesus, and there is a conversation going on between Jesus and John about what's happening around the table.
One last thing that I find interesting is in Luke 22:15, it is not "the" Passover but "this" Passover. It will be the last Passover. The Messianic Jews to this day hold that Passover meals, now each year, is only a remembrance that this Passover meal is the last Passover meal until Christ comes, very interesting!
Sorry for being long winded. Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. And may the Lord continue to give you a hunger for His word. God Bless!!!