Here are some corrections. in the first para:first line
please read as "God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God." the last two lines, "The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owes to it. Without God, they are under judgment."
Third para: "Moses would want to avoid taking up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked people and use the excuse of having impediment in speech."
"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible body. This is made distinct by two worlds framed by the word of God by which DNA of a believer is determined by faith.(He.11:3) The first man is earthy and Adam is fashioned from dust of the ground. The Lord from heaven is the Son whose glorious body is manifested by the power of God the Father. Proof of it was that death could not hold him back. Adam represents the earthy more so by his sin of obedience provides a body under curse. The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owe to it. Without God stopping it it is under judgment.
St Paul speaks of those who are under no condemnation because the Law of the Spirit has set them free. On one hand we have MTP, malformed babies, LGBTQ which are all part of the collateral damage of the fall of man.
Moses would want to take up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked peopl and use the excuse of having impediment in speech. Oh no He who made mouth of a man was there to prove it had nothing to do with His holiness. Holy is His name. His Son saw to that the glorious body of Moses overcame all physical challenges.
In short in the world of the Spirit we are surrounded by the glorious spiritual body of the Son,"according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."Evangelicalst who cause division for pro-Life and anti-Abortion laws say they have faith in Jesus Christ but deny the power thereof. They serve Satan in causing divisions.. "Beware of dogs" St Paul calls them. They traduce the disenfranchised people of color and other ethnicities as slackers and free loaders. It is thus we have children of light and children of wrath. ( 1 John 3:8)
Dear Heavenly Father, take Mike in Your arms and help him be positive as to this situation following the seizure. Bring healing to his body, especially his brain that caused the seizure to occur. Give Mike confidence, peace, and the faith to go forward after this event. May You surround him with Your powerful healing and restoration in HIs body and soul that He may praise You and lay His life before You with trust and hope in You always. We ask this of You Father, in the name of Jesus, Amen.
As you know, the Bible is about two Covenants- The OT and NT.
What we are commenting is about the OT, not about the NT, for there is not that NAME or nickname in the NT. Remember: You quoted Isaiah 12:1-2.
Isaiah 16:-1-2 in the OT -Nevin'im(Prophets) Yeshayahu(Isaiah) is written as follow:
1 And you shall say on that day, I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me, may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2 Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation.
In fact that name was added in the translations inadvertently, but the name you have mentioned it is not the only fictitious name or nickname added in the OT (not added in the Bible as a whole-OT&NT), there are several others: I have listed YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, Jehovah, YEHvah, these names are not NAMES of GOD, quite the opposite, all these names listed are strictly the names of the father of the Jews- John 8:44 combined with Revelation 12:3-4.
JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:6 - I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: ... -->What's NAME?)
"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?"
Baptism for the dead, there is nothing to be afraid of and dying daily is not a sacrament but comes under the department of works. What is baptism but an act of faith? Faith without works is dead. So what shall we make of the doctrine of man which Evangelical refers to their activism? On one hand they repudiate 'works' the labor of love done in Christ but with both hand embrace Christian nationalism, Pro-life movement and 'prosperity'? "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name," (He.6:10-15) so works done toward his name must be done with "the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end." This inheritance of promises is unlocked by his name than 'active' faith preached by imposter religion to loosen the tight fist of God. It is thus Satan has deceived them and their prosperity theology is a classic example.
If you died to the world of sin and the world you are as St Paul says,"I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." (1 Co.15:30-31). The Nicene creed says, "I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins." For those children of disobedience who fight for faith but in works do the devil's business, stoke cultural wars and help as one famous preacher in the late 60s helped the US President's Southern agenda by publicly stating that all rapists should be castrated merely shows the malaise of the mainstream Christianity feeding upon the Pagan Rome for its growth. Where death worked for saints in the time of St Paul we have now a pastor, here is the quote, "We know that Scripture does not teach that baptism regenerates a person. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone ( Eph. 2:8-9). Nor does Scripture indicate that water baptism is required for a person to be saved." Faith+works
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9)This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech, a manifestation of the grace of God. John the Baptist knew it well what holiness of God entailed. Moses pleaded because of his slowness in speech but what did God tell him? Aaron was his older sibling yet "And thou shalt be to him instead of God." God made him as he was and in his Son he shall be to Aaron an angel, in place of God. It is thus God gave the revelation of Jesus Christ which was revealed to John by his angel. (Re.1:1;Ex.4:18) This cloud of witnesses are names, and spirits of believers called in his Son. How we live in our earthly tabernacles as St Paul exhorts us has direct bearing."Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord."(2 Co.5:6) Holiness of God is in terms of the body so spitting of Christian pilgrims on the streets by ultra-Orthodox Jews is part of Apartheid that goes on even now.Children of Belial shall never understand then as now. Jeering at baldness of Elisha broughtpunishment on the 42 and now what happens to the lawless Jews is a token of God's wrath. How shall man play with moral imperatives keeping of which is one manner of giving glory to God. St Paul here refers of his spiritual body which is present before the Lord.
1 Co.15 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Here we see the resurrection rendered representational in Christ. When we are dead to sin should we not live in heavenly places than seeking praise of man? Our lives are as many branches to the true Vine.
Whether in body or in spirit Jesus showed obedience as the key verse tells us "that God may be all in all."
"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
In De.6:4-6 we have Moses addressing the nation of Israel in particular. Failure of Israel was that their hearts were not right before God. "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:/And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might./And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart"
When God fed them with the angel's food they lusted after meat. When God presented the bread from heaven they would not receive him. It was thus their heart remained like reprobate silver only fit for slag heap.
St Paul in the key verse speaks of the unity of the Spirit, ""That God may be all in all." God is a Spirit and Will of God sets His holiness in its several modes so in his Son the same Fullness circulates to draw analogy from water cycle how water is exchanged (cycled) through Earth's land, ocean, and atmosphere but water always exists in all three phases., and this unity of God shall be maintained. When Jesus Christ was manifested it was for this purpose. "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."( 1John 3:8)
In His Son we we were blessed and by the same token when God prepared a body for his Son we all were foreseen in this spiritual body, a building of God eternal in heavens. So St Paul kept this and walked in faith. (2 Co.5:1). This is called the cloud of witnesses. John the Baptist alluded to it . "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9). This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech,
Thank you Ronald, indeed a brother in Christ. Certainly, no offence taken at all. You have shared what you clearly believe from the Word, as I have also done (and btw not from tradition). Actually, I oppose 'tradition' as a basis for belief or action in matters spiritual; so it takes much study & prayer on my part in either accepting or rejecting what is generally accepted by the Church to what is actually given in the Bible. Maybe, that is why I never 'perfectly fit' into any congregation - but again, does anyone if they're honest?
So, in one sense, it becomes a personal matter until the Spirit sheds His Light to bring us understanding. And as I mentioned earlier, we may, even with our differences on this subject, might still be closer in agreement than we realize. After all, you do believe, I trust, that it was God Who placed His Holy Seed in Mary, so immediately we know that this was no ordinary human birth. The matter then surrounds whether this Seed was first in another Form within God's Person Who was also involved in creation & very likely in other Works of God, or not. As you wrote, we will know all these things "at the end of the road". Blessings to you & yours, in Christ Jesus and thanks again for a good lively discussion.
I thank you for even discussing this and whether you consider me a brother I consider you one. All I have replied to you is the truth from my understanding of Scripture. In your reply, I feel I have offended you and that was not my goal. Like I said from the beginning is to convey my understanding of the Scripture. Your understanding is for your conscience. If you choose one road and I choose another we will find the answer at the end of the road. But if we are not willing to empty our minds as we know nothing, in prayer study, we choose tradition over truth.
Then to your question, "If Jesus was a co-equal God in the three-person God, how could He be given anything He would already have it?" If we don't believe that Jesus came out from God's Person, then your question is valid. But if He did, then to become Man, taking on 'sinful flesh', He would have had to lay aside God's Glory & other Divine Attributes ( Philippians 2:5-8), so that He could be fully Man, to identify completely with those He would save & be their sin-bearer - for God in His Being cannot suffer & die as appointed unto men.
Thus when we read 1 John 4:2,3; we know that John is not speaking of an historical Jesus, for all knew of (or heard of) this One named Jesus of Nazareth Who lived & walked on Earth doing great things. But those who denied that this Christ from God had been brought down to Earth to be made flesh, were deemed by the apostle as not speaking by God's Spirit (& this is that Docetic heresy that was pervading the Church: that Divinity & Flesh cannot unite, so the incarnation is incredible). So dear brother, I can see your interpretation of such verses & was exercised by them to understand them the way you do, but for me to read them in that manner would cause me to violate my comprehension abilities & sensibilities.
Therefore, I think it best we leave off here, as much as I would like to continue, for I see no useful progress to be made when we read the Word so differently. Thank you again for your time & persisting in this - I do appreciate this very much. Every blessing.
Again, thank you for your comments Ronald, & I can see that this discussion will need to end. But before that & to respond to some of your comments here, Colossians 1:15-17 shows that Jesus (in His pre-Incarnate Form) was involved in creation, & not simply a Thought or Word in God's Mind. 'For by Him were all things createdall things created by Him & for Him He is before all things & by Him all things consist'. For Paul to make a declaration as this & then we should force a meaning that Jesus was not the Creator & Sustainer within the Godhead, would exceed the limits of my comprehension. I'm sorry. As well, the use of 'Him, He' (Gk. auto), tells us that we are reading of a Person (albeit within the Person of God), Who is creating & not simply a Thought in God's Mind.
And I selected John 17:5 as a very apt verse to show how clearly Jesus Himself considered the Glory He once had with God, Who is now His Father through the incarnation; that Glory He laid aside for the sake of becoming human & thus for the "suffering of death" (for God indeed cannot die). I planned to also bring in the other Scriptures that I had given a few days earlier, for your interpretation & understanding, but used this one as a 'case-in-point' to learn of your thoughts. To Page 2.
"I must say that NAME does not exist in the original Hebrew Scripture, it was simply added."
That's quite a claim. Do you realize you're basically accusing not just the KJV but the Bible in general for being wrong, is that what you're saying? Are these 4 verses with Jehovah the only scriptures you feel this way about or other parts of the Bible too? If you think there's holes, how do you believe and trust the rest of it and where do you draw the line?
What is your evidence that a name "does not exist in the original Hebrew" and was "simply added"?
Do you believe the Strong's identifier for this word?
What part of it do you think is wrong and what do you think it should be and what is the evidence for your opinion being right and dozens of expert translators being wrong?
This Psalm is such a good example of how David was a man after God's own heart, yet found sin in his heart that he knew was truly against God and sought Him for forgiveness and cleansing. I would hope to be as David and as Him often to examine me and show me any sinful way in me. David hated that he had done or said or thought things that have offended the God he loved so much. I would hope to also hate my sins and confess them to God seeking forgiveness as soon as I realize I have done so.
I hope to be sensitive to the "pricking" of the Holy Spirit" when He shows me a Scripture that speaks to my failure to do what is righteous before God and man. This is what God wants us to do-come to Him with all our sin and failures to honor Him as God and judge, whenever we fail to praise and thank Him as we ought-and confess to Him our sins. He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us as 1 John 1 says.
Hi Donna, I too get reminded to pray for those who are not friendly to me or who mistreat me. on a larger scale, there are some pretty big enemies all over the world who hate believers along with the free USA and Israel and Ukraine and many other places where peoples are at war with each other or out to harm certain groups of people. Only God can change things, but He asks us to pray for those who are against us.
Good afternoon, Momsage, I am one who thinks that faults and propensities in our personalities and character can be considered sinful. If one has a quick temper, is easily provoked, unwilling to forgive offenses, is self-seeking, envies, prideful, thinks evil thoughts, or any number of "faults' or "weaknesses" one is sinning with these faults/weaknesses when we give in and let them be expressed. See 1 Corinthians 13
If I have tendencies to complain, gossip, talk behind another's back, be lazy when I should do what task I need to do each day, fail to give my husband attention and affection and care to fill up his need-all these are sinful. It is highly probable that you have faults such as these or others that when you read of them in Scripture the Holy Spirit pricks your heart. We are to live godly lives in this wicked generation, especially in our own home and with our family and close friends. We are to practice keeping a guard on our hearts and minds and actions with diligence.
If you read I Corinthians 13 and find that you do not always follow what it says about love, then you can know you are failing to love as God wants us to. Loving others is a really huge aspect of obedience to God's ways. And one area that I don't think ANYONE can do rightly 100% of the time in their lives even as a believer.
Glad to see that you are feeling better. Always feels so good to be feeling good after an illness! Thank the Lord!
Momsage. I do not ant to get into a long discussion about this topic as we have discussed this recently pretty thoroughly. I just wanted to respond to your statement of not being a sinner. I will be glad to hear your response, but please understand if I do not engage in a lengthy discussion.
Hi Sally I will be keeping Felix and you and your marriage in my prayers. Thanks for asking for prayer. It is always good to seek prayer in times of need. God bless you today.
Dear Heavenly Father, Johnny is crying out to You and seeking your help in a desperate way. We ask that You will bring help to Him today in small and big ways. We ask that You build up his faith and hope in You. We ask that You renew His strength in every area that is weak. We come to You today int he name of Jesus, because in Him we have You and in You we have the Holy Spirit, and in the Holy Spirit we have You and Jesus. How great and mighty You are. There is none like You and no one can get in Your way to help Your children. Amen
Thanks for sharing your needs with me. I will be praying for you as you adjust with the loss of your daughter. So sad. But we are both "in the Lord" "under the shelter of His wings" and He "rejoices over us with singing", so how good is it to know the Lord Jesus, our Savior and the Father, the Almighty, and the Holy Spirit, the ever present help in times of trouble.
I, too, go to the internet to find out more about medical matters that pertain to me or a loved one. It helps me to have a better understanding of what is going on and what rests and findings mean. Since I have not had any illness or infection in the last year, it is interesting that my white blood cell count is so high. But in chronic inflammation can do this also, and I have arthritis and a rare condition called Behcet's that involves inflammatory reactions in vascular structures (veins, arteries and organs that are highly vascular (kidneys, heart, lungs) so hopefully the Dr. will do a thorough workup. Maybe will need an MRI or Cat Scan to see if something can be found that is causing my body to attack itself.
I will be praying for you often Patricia. You are going through a lot and it really hurts to lose a child no matter what age they are. May you be blessed today as you rest in God in all your comings and goings.
Dear pastor you are in my prayers daily and what God brings about in this ministry he has placed you in will be for His glory no matter the situation. My prayers are also for the dear, deceived souls you minister to. God Bless :)
Thank you for continuing the discussion, I also tremble at His word we are just a spec compared to our God. Deuteronomy 18:15-19 This to me is fulfilled in John 1:1 the word of God in Jesus the Messiah. When Jesus was anointed the Messiah every word that Jesus said was the word of God the word of God in the flesh of His Son. Everything that was created was created by the word of God, not His Son. God said let there be, and it was.
If we read Isaiah 66:1 we cannot imagine how large God can be. He can overwhelm all of what we can imagine. In my human mind, I see His Spirit cover the earth like a dome, omnipresent, it is like an electrical grid that believers plug into, I know that may sound weird.
John 17 I will do my best to show my understanding, this is just before Jesus was going to be nailed to the cross. Verses 1-5 Jesus is praying to the Father about Himself, the Father is God, when we pray, we pray to our Father, and we relate to God as Father, through the Bible Father means God and Jesus said to His Father He is the only true God. In and through Jesus Christ we become sons and daughters of God, so we cry out Abba, Father, Galatians 4:6.
Jesus said He had finished the work the Father had given to Him and Jesus glorified His Father on earth. Jesus is now ready to face death on the cross and fulfilling the law and the prophet's, all of what Scripture had said what He would become, and Jesus was ready to take His place on the right hand of His Father, Isaiah 53:12Jeremiah 23:5-62 Samuel 7:12-13Psalm 110:4Psalm 16:10, these are just a few verses that Jesus would have known about Himself.
In Daniel 7:13-14 Daniel had a prophetic vision of Jesus's ascension and God the Father giving His Son Jesus dominion and glory overall and giving Him the kingdom. God showed Daniel this was with God in the beginning, in God's plan but did not come to fruition until Jesus ascended in Acts 1:9.
Vs 5 The plan of God, predetermined glory, Jesus knew the Scriptures. All that was to happen to Him and the glory He would receive after He suffered on the cross had already been spoken by the prophets in the past tense as though they had already happened.
As Jesus was on the road to Emmaus in Luke 24:25-26, He talks about them not believing what the prophets had written about what was to happen to Jesus. The first man to be raised from the dead in a glorified body and God placed Him on His right hand on the throne a man, not a god.
Jesus was a man who was tempted like us and fulfilled all His Father asked Him we see hundreds of prophecies Jesus fulfilled and the man Jesus did it without one sin. Only a man could undo what the first man did. God could not do that because He cannot sin or die. The law was made for man and the curse of sin was on man, not God.
In Verses 20-22, Jesus had not yet been crucified and the glory the Father had given Him Jesus has given it to us today "but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;" This glory we will receive when Jesus returns and we are resurrected in our glorified bodies, we have it now, but it will not be manifest until Jesus returns.
If Jesus was a co-equal God in the three-person God, how could He be given anything He would already have it? Malachi 3:6 says God does not change so God cannot change, Numbers 23:19Isaiah 46:10Psalm 33:11Acts 17:26 The glory Jesus was asking for, He would receive when He resurrected.
The Spirit could not be given because Jesus had not been glorified (resurrected) John 7:39 Things were hidden from the disciples until Jesus was glorified (resurrected) John 12:16.
2 Timothy 1:9-10 It was given before creation so, John 17:24 we will be where He is when we are resurrected, Jesus was given glory with the Father before all creation in God's mind and plan. Ephesians 1:4
I hope this makes sense I am not the best at this.
"And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."
The Gospel of John began with the pure word, where the Word is a sound as well as a sign.God was the Word voice of which has been heard. By creating man a tripartite being this word is heard as well as understood. The ear of faith renders man a sign so what he hears has a natural explanation. As eyes are for seeing and ears are for hearing. But to be understood man has to rely more than ear, the very nature of the Spirit.
(1 Co15:38-41) God the Spirit gives body a glory distinct between different bodies,-as celestial objects are different from a seed. This is what faith embodies for man. It is a sign. In his humanity he showed so his death demonstrated the glory of his natural body differed from his spiritual body. It is a body building of God eternal in heavens. So we walk in faith and not by sight. Proof of this body we find in the encounter of Moses with a burning bush."And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses." God knew him already and the body He prepared for his Son has seen him and known by the same token.
We see trinity present in this episode. "And the Angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush."
The bush that did not burn foreshadowed the indwelling Spirit of a believer. The symbolism of the fire also reinforces the idea. The tree or bush we know is validated by several instances given in the Bible. Jotham's parable warns us of the fire that kills. Trees of righteousness bear the fire of the Holy Spirit while the bramble figuratively gives us sons of perdition from Cain, Abhimelech to the beast upon whom the children of wrath shall put their trust to their destruction. We see it even in our own times.
Evidence of things seen in the world of the flesh is unlike evidence of things unseen which can only be reconciled in God. ( 1 John 5:7-8) The Father the Word and the Spirit agree in one. Sum total of heaven and earth has only faith with which to possess them. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (He.11:1)
How reliable are proof in the world of the flesh? Joseph's brethren brought their evidence and their father believed it. "And they sent the coat of many colours, and they brought it to their father; and said, This have we found: know now whether it be thy son's coat or no./ And he knew it, and said, It is my son's coat."(Ge.37:31-35). Similarly Potiphar's wife had proof. Substance of things presented as evidence in the world of the flesh has a way of getting lost. "Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? For riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven."(Pr.23:5)
Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. That really blesses me to know you are lifting me up in prayer. My thyroid ultrasouond showed that there are now two small nodules and that I should do a follow up ultrasound in a year. I go to the rheumatologist on Tuesday and he will evaluate why my white blood cell count is high in three of the five types of white blood cells.
Our home restoration from the pipe leak is coming along well. The flooring goes in this week as well as installing the new shower pan, walls, and doors. Then the flooring in the bathroom will be done and the vanity and toilet reset. In the other bath, the tub surround will be installed next and then the flooring, then the vanity and toilet resetting.
We spent this weekend painting rooms that will be refloored this week as some of the job is not insurance related but makes sense to do at this time. So doing the painting ourselves will save money for us. We are waiting to hear back from the adjuster to see if repainting the ceiling in the area we painted the walls will be covered since we noticed a few water spots appearing in the ceiling. Must have begun to show up as the ceiling dried. If the insurance will cover the painting, then we will have the worker remove the popcorn ceiling first and then texture and paint. The removal of the popcorn ceiling and texturing will be on us to pay for. But at least the painting may be paid for by insurance. We are faring well with all the "stuff" this involves. And it is really pleasing to me to get these things done that needed to be done decades ago when we first moved in 30 years ago.
I am thankful for the inheritance I received from my Mom when she passed almost two years ago. It will pay for what we will be doing as upgrades in this project. We will still have enough to continue to remodel all of the downstairs. So very blessed by her and thankful!
Pnovello, again, thank you for your care for me. Let me know how I can pray for you also.
Thanks for the reply but it seems you just repeated your original claim without any evidence for it.
You said JEHOVAH isn't there, but you're just using a different translation, so how do you know its more accurate and not less accurate?
Do you have any more evidence?
Here are some corrections. in the first para:first line
please read as "God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God." the last two lines, "The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owes to it. Without God, they are under judgment."
Third para: "Moses would want to avoid taking up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked people and use the excuse of having impediment in speech."
"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible body. This is made distinct by two worlds framed by the word of God by which DNA of a believer is determined by faith.(He.11:3) The first man is earthy and Adam is fashioned from dust of the ground. The Lord from heaven is the Son whose glorious body is manifested by the power of God the Father. Proof of it was that death could not hold him back. Adam represents the earthy more so by his sin of obedience provides a body under curse. The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owe to it. Without God stopping it it is under judgment.
St Paul speaks of those who are under no condemnation because the Law of the Spirit has set them free. On one hand we have MTP, malformed babies, LGBTQ which are all part of the collateral damage of the fall of man.
Moses would want to take up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked peopl and use the excuse of having impediment in speech. Oh no He who made mouth of a man was there to prove it had nothing to do with His holiness. Holy is His name. His Son saw to that the glorious body of Moses overcame all physical challenges.
In short in the world of the Spirit we are surrounded by the glorious spiritual body of the Son,"according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."Evangelicalst who cause division for pro-Life and anti-Abortion laws say they have faith in Jesus Christ but deny the power thereof. They serve Satan in causing divisions.. "Beware of dogs" St Paul calls them. They traduce the disenfranchised people of color and other ethnicities as slackers and free loaders. It is thus we have children of light and children of wrath. ( 1 John 3:8)
Dear Heavenly Father, take Mike in Your arms and help him be positive as to this situation following the seizure. Bring healing to his body, especially his brain that caused the seizure to occur. Give Mike confidence, peace, and the faith to go forward after this event. May You surround him with Your powerful healing and restoration in HIs body and soul that He may praise You and lay His life before You with trust and hope in You always. We ask this of You Father, in the name of Jesus, Amen.
Adam
As you know, the Bible is about two Covenants- The OT and NT.
What we are commenting is about the OT, not about the NT, for there is not that NAME or nickname in the NT. Remember: You quoted Isaiah 12:1-2.
Isaiah 16:-1-2 in the OT -Nevin'im(Prophets) Yeshayahu(Isaiah) is written as follow:
1 And you shall say on that day, I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me, may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2 Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation.
In fact that name was added in the translations inadvertently, but the name you have mentioned it is not the only fictitious name or nickname added in the OT (not added in the Bible as a whole-OT&NT), there are several others: I have listed YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, Jehovah, YEHvah, these names are not NAMES of GOD, quite the opposite, all these names listed are strictly the names of the father of the Jews- John 8:44 combined with Revelation 12:3-4.
JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:6 - I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: ... -->What's NAME?)
"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?"
Baptism for the dead, there is nothing to be afraid of and dying daily is not a sacrament but comes under the department of works. What is baptism but an act of faith? Faith without works is dead. So what shall we make of the doctrine of man which Evangelical refers to their activism? On one hand they repudiate 'works' the labor of love done in Christ but with both hand embrace Christian nationalism, Pro-life movement and 'prosperity'? "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name," (He.6:10-15) so works done toward his name must be done with "the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end." This inheritance of promises is unlocked by his name than 'active' faith preached by imposter religion to loosen the tight fist of God. It is thus Satan has deceived them and their prosperity theology is a classic example.
If you died to the world of sin and the world you are as St Paul says,"I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." (1 Co.15:30-31). The Nicene creed says, "I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins." For those children of disobedience who fight for faith but in works do the devil's business, stoke cultural wars and help as one famous preacher in the late 60s helped the US President's Southern agenda by publicly stating that all rapists should be castrated merely shows the malaise of the mainstream Christianity feeding upon the Pagan Rome for its growth. Where death worked for saints in the time of St Paul we have now a pastor, here is the quote, "We know that Scripture does not teach that baptism regenerates a person. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone ( Eph. 2:8-9). Nor does Scripture indicate that water baptism is required for a person to be saved." Faith+works
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9)This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech, a manifestation of the grace of God. John the Baptist knew it well what holiness of God entailed. Moses pleaded because of his slowness in speech but what did God tell him? Aaron was his older sibling yet "And thou shalt be to him instead of God." God made him as he was and in his Son he shall be to Aaron an angel, in place of God. It is thus God gave the revelation of Jesus Christ which was revealed to John by his angel. (Re.1:1;Ex.4:18) This cloud of witnesses are names, and spirits of believers called in his Son. How we live in our earthly tabernacles as St Paul exhorts us has direct bearing."Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord."(2 Co.5:6) Holiness of God is in terms of the body so spitting of Christian pilgrims on the streets by ultra-Orthodox Jews is part of Apartheid that goes on even now.Children of Belial shall never understand then as now. Jeering at baldness of Elisha broughtpunishment on the 42 and now what happens to the lawless Jews is a token of God's wrath. How shall man play with moral imperatives keeping of which is one manner of giving glory to God. St Paul here refers of his spiritual body which is present before the Lord.
1 Co.15 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Here we see the resurrection rendered representational in Christ. When we are dead to sin should we not live in heavenly places than seeking praise of man? Our lives are as many branches to the true Vine.
Whether in body or in spirit Jesus showed obedience as the key verse tells us "that God may be all in all."
"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
In De.6:4-6 we have Moses addressing the nation of Israel in particular. Failure of Israel was that their hearts were not right before God. "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:/And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might./And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart"
When God fed them with the angel's food they lusted after meat. When God presented the bread from heaven they would not receive him. It was thus their heart remained like reprobate silver only fit for slag heap.
St Paul in the key verse speaks of the unity of the Spirit, ""That God may be all in all." God is a Spirit and Will of God sets His holiness in its several modes so in his Son the same Fullness circulates to draw analogy from water cycle how water is exchanged (cycled) through Earth's land, ocean, and atmosphere but water always exists in all three phases., and this unity of God shall be maintained. When Jesus Christ was manifested it was for this purpose. "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."( 1John 3:8)
In His Son we we were blessed and by the same token when God prepared a body for his Son we all were foreseen in this spiritual body, a building of God eternal in heavens. So St Paul kept this and walked in faith. (2 Co.5:1). This is called the cloud of witnesses. John the Baptist alluded to it . "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9). This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech,
So, in one sense, it becomes a personal matter until the Spirit sheds His Light to bring us understanding. And as I mentioned earlier, we may, even with our differences on this subject, might still be closer in agreement than we realize. After all, you do believe, I trust, that it was God Who placed His Holy Seed in Mary, so immediately we know that this was no ordinary human birth. The matter then surrounds whether this Seed was first in another Form within God's Person Who was also involved in creation & very likely in other Works of God, or not. As you wrote, we will know all these things "at the end of the road". Blessings to you & yours, in Christ Jesus and thanks again for a good lively discussion.
I thank you for even discussing this and whether you consider me a brother I consider you one. All I have replied to you is the truth from my understanding of Scripture. In your reply, I feel I have offended you and that was not my goal. Like I said from the beginning is to convey my understanding of the Scripture. Your understanding is for your conscience. If you choose one road and I choose another we will find the answer at the end of the road. But if we are not willing to empty our minds as we know nothing, in prayer study, we choose tradition over truth.
Love you brother.
God bless,
RLW
Then to your question, "If Jesus was a co-equal God in the three-person God, how could He be given anything He would already have it?" If we don't believe that Jesus came out from God's Person, then your question is valid. But if He did, then to become Man, taking on 'sinful flesh', He would have had to lay aside God's Glory & other Divine Attributes ( Philippians 2:5-8), so that He could be fully Man, to identify completely with those He would save & be their sin-bearer - for God in His Being cannot suffer & die as appointed unto men.
Thus when we read 1 John 4:2,3; we know that John is not speaking of an historical Jesus, for all knew of (or heard of) this One named Jesus of Nazareth Who lived & walked on Earth doing great things. But those who denied that this Christ from God had been brought down to Earth to be made flesh, were deemed by the apostle as not speaking by God's Spirit (& this is that Docetic heresy that was pervading the Church: that Divinity & Flesh cannot unite, so the incarnation is incredible). So dear brother, I can see your interpretation of such verses & was exercised by them to understand them the way you do, but for me to read them in that manner would cause me to violate my comprehension abilities & sensibilities.
Therefore, I think it best we leave off here, as much as I would like to continue, for I see no useful progress to be made when we read the Word so differently. Thank you again for your time & persisting in this - I do appreciate this very much. Every blessing.
Again, thank you for your comments Ronald, & I can see that this discussion will need to end. But before that & to respond to some of your comments here, Colossians 1:15-17 shows that Jesus (in His pre-Incarnate Form) was involved in creation, & not simply a Thought or Word in God's Mind. 'For by Him were all things createdall things created by Him & for Him He is before all things & by Him all things consist'. For Paul to make a declaration as this & then we should force a meaning that Jesus was not the Creator & Sustainer within the Godhead, would exceed the limits of my comprehension. I'm sorry. As well, the use of 'Him, He' (Gk. auto), tells us that we are reading of a Person (albeit within the Person of God), Who is creating & not simply a Thought in God's Mind.
And I selected John 17:5 as a very apt verse to show how clearly Jesus Himself considered the Glory He once had with God, Who is now His Father through the incarnation; that Glory He laid aside for the sake of becoming human & thus for the "suffering of death" (for God indeed cannot die). I planned to also bring in the other Scriptures that I had given a few days earlier, for your interpretation & understanding, but used this one as a 'case-in-point' to learn of your thoughts. To Page 2.
"I must say that NAME does not exist in the original Hebrew Scripture, it was simply added."
That's quite a claim. Do you realize you're basically accusing not just the KJV but the Bible in general for being wrong, is that what you're saying? Are these 4 verses with Jehovah the only scriptures you feel this way about or other parts of the Bible too? If you think there's holes, how do you believe and trust the rest of it and where do you draw the line?
What is your evidence that a name "does not exist in the original Hebrew" and was "simply added"?
Do you believe the Strong's identifier for this word?
What part of it do you think is wrong and what do you think it should be and what is the evidence for your opinion being right and dozens of expert translators being wrong?
This Psalm is such a good example of how David was a man after God's own heart, yet found sin in his heart that he knew was truly against God and sought Him for forgiveness and cleansing. I would hope to be as David and as Him often to examine me and show me any sinful way in me. David hated that he had done or said or thought things that have offended the God he loved so much. I would hope to also hate my sins and confess them to God seeking forgiveness as soon as I realize I have done so.
I hope to be sensitive to the "pricking" of the Holy Spirit" when He shows me a Scripture that speaks to my failure to do what is righteous before God and man. This is what God wants us to do-come to Him with all our sin and failures to honor Him as God and judge, whenever we fail to praise and thank Him as we ought-and confess to Him our sins. He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us as 1 John 1 says.
Thanks for the reminder.
If I have tendencies to complain, gossip, talk behind another's back, be lazy when I should do what task I need to do each day, fail to give my husband attention and affection and care to fill up his need-all these are sinful. It is highly probable that you have faults such as these or others that when you read of them in Scripture the Holy Spirit pricks your heart. We are to live godly lives in this wicked generation, especially in our own home and with our family and close friends. We are to practice keeping a guard on our hearts and minds and actions with diligence.
If you read I Corinthians 13 and find that you do not always follow what it says about love, then you can know you are failing to love as God wants us to. Loving others is a really huge aspect of obedience to God's ways. And one area that I don't think ANYONE can do rightly 100% of the time in their lives even as a believer.
Glad to see that you are feeling better. Always feels so good to be feeling good after an illness! Thank the Lord!
Momsage. I do not ant to get into a long discussion about this topic as we have discussed this recently pretty thoroughly. I just wanted to respond to your statement of not being a sinner. I will be glad to hear your response, but please understand if I do not engage in a lengthy discussion.
Have a great evening.
Dear Heavenly Father, Johnny is crying out to You and seeking your help in a desperate way. We ask that You will bring help to Him today in small and big ways. We ask that You build up his faith and hope in You. We ask that You renew His strength in every area that is weak. We come to You today int he name of Jesus, because in Him we have You and in You we have the Holy Spirit, and in the Holy Spirit we have You and Jesus. How great and mighty You are. There is none like You and no one can get in Your way to help Your children. Amen
Thanks for sharing your needs with me. I will be praying for you as you adjust with the loss of your daughter. So sad. But we are both "in the Lord" "under the shelter of His wings" and He "rejoices over us with singing", so how good is it to know the Lord Jesus, our Savior and the Father, the Almighty, and the Holy Spirit, the ever present help in times of trouble.
I, too, go to the internet to find out more about medical matters that pertain to me or a loved one. It helps me to have a better understanding of what is going on and what rests and findings mean. Since I have not had any illness or infection in the last year, it is interesting that my white blood cell count is so high. But in chronic inflammation can do this also, and I have arthritis and a rare condition called Behcet's that involves inflammatory reactions in vascular structures (veins, arteries and organs that are highly vascular (kidneys, heart, lungs) so hopefully the Dr. will do a thorough workup. Maybe will need an MRI or Cat Scan to see if something can be found that is causing my body to attack itself.
I will be praying for you often Patricia. You are going through a lot and it really hurts to lose a child no matter what age they are. May you be blessed today as you rest in God in all your comings and goings.
Part one.
Thank you for continuing the discussion, I also tremble at His word we are just a spec compared to our God. Deuteronomy 18:15-19 This to me is fulfilled in John 1:1 the word of God in Jesus the Messiah. When Jesus was anointed the Messiah every word that Jesus said was the word of God the word of God in the flesh of His Son. Everything that was created was created by the word of God, not His Son. God said let there be, and it was.
If we read Isaiah 66:1 we cannot imagine how large God can be. He can overwhelm all of what we can imagine. In my human mind, I see His Spirit cover the earth like a dome, omnipresent, it is like an electrical grid that believers plug into, I know that may sound weird.
John 17 I will do my best to show my understanding, this is just before Jesus was going to be nailed to the cross. Verses 1-5 Jesus is praying to the Father about Himself, the Father is God, when we pray, we pray to our Father, and we relate to God as Father, through the Bible Father means God and Jesus said to His Father He is the only true God. In and through Jesus Christ we become sons and daughters of God, so we cry out Abba, Father, Galatians 4:6.
Jesus said He had finished the work the Father had given to Him and Jesus glorified His Father on earth. Jesus is now ready to face death on the cross and fulfilling the law and the prophet's, all of what Scripture had said what He would become, and Jesus was ready to take His place on the right hand of His Father, Isaiah 53:12 Jeremiah 23:5-6 2 Samuel 7:12-13 Psalm 110:4 Psalm 16:10, these are just a few verses that Jesus would have known about Himself.
In Daniel 7:13-14 Daniel had a prophetic vision of Jesus's ascension and God the Father giving His Son Jesus dominion and glory overall and giving Him the kingdom. God showed Daniel this was with God in the beginning, in God's plan but did not come to fruition until Jesus ascended in Acts 1:9.
See part 2.
Part two
Vs 5 The plan of God, predetermined glory, Jesus knew the Scriptures. All that was to happen to Him and the glory He would receive after He suffered on the cross had already been spoken by the prophets in the past tense as though they had already happened.
As Jesus was on the road to Emmaus in Luke 24:25-26, He talks about them not believing what the prophets had written about what was to happen to Jesus. The first man to be raised from the dead in a glorified body and God placed Him on His right hand on the throne a man, not a god.
Jesus was a man who was tempted like us and fulfilled all His Father asked Him we see hundreds of prophecies Jesus fulfilled and the man Jesus did it without one sin. Only a man could undo what the first man did. God could not do that because He cannot sin or die. The law was made for man and the curse of sin was on man, not God.
In Verses 20-22, Jesus had not yet been crucified and the glory the Father had given Him Jesus has given it to us today "but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;" This glory we will receive when Jesus returns and we are resurrected in our glorified bodies, we have it now, but it will not be manifest until Jesus returns.
If Jesus was a co-equal God in the three-person God, how could He be given anything He would already have it? Malachi 3:6 says God does not change so God cannot change, Numbers 23:19 Isaiah 46:10 Psalm 33:11 Acts 17:26 The glory Jesus was asking for, He would receive when He resurrected.
The Spirit could not be given because Jesus had not been glorified (resurrected) John 7:39 Things were hidden from the disciples until Jesus was glorified (resurrected) John 12:16.
2 Timothy 1:9-10 It was given before creation so, John 17:24 we will be where He is when we are resurrected, Jesus was given glory with the Father before all creation in God's mind and plan. Ephesians 1:4
I hope this makes sense I am not the best at this.
God bless,
RLW
"And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."
The Gospel of John began with the pure word, where the Word is a sound as well as a sign.God was the Word voice of which has been heard. By creating man a tripartite being this word is heard as well as understood. The ear of faith renders man a sign so what he hears has a natural explanation. As eyes are for seeing and ears are for hearing. But to be understood man has to rely more than ear, the very nature of the Spirit.
(1 Co15:38-41) God the Spirit gives body a glory distinct between different bodies,-as celestial objects are different from a seed. This is what faith embodies for man. It is a sign. In his humanity he showed so his death demonstrated the glory of his natural body differed from his spiritual body. It is a body building of God eternal in heavens. So we walk in faith and not by sight. Proof of this body we find in the encounter of Moses with a burning bush."And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses." God knew him already and the body He prepared for his Son has seen him and known by the same token.
We see trinity present in this episode. "And the Angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush."
The bush that did not burn foreshadowed the indwelling Spirit of a believer. The symbolism of the fire also reinforces the idea. The tree or bush we know is validated by several instances given in the Bible. Jotham's parable warns us of the fire that kills. Trees of righteousness bear the fire of the Holy Spirit while the bramble figuratively gives us sons of perdition from Cain, Abhimelech to the beast upon whom the children of wrath shall put their trust to their destruction. We see it even in our own times.
Evidence of things seen in the world of the flesh is unlike evidence of things unseen which can only be reconciled in God. ( 1 John 5:7-8) The Father the Word and the Spirit agree in one. Sum total of heaven and earth has only faith with which to possess them. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (He.11:1)
How reliable are proof in the world of the flesh? Joseph's brethren brought their evidence and their father believed it. "And they sent the coat of many colours, and they brought it to their father; and said, This have we found: know now whether it be thy son's coat or no./ And he knew it, and said, It is my son's coat."(Ge.37:31-35). Similarly Potiphar's wife had proof. Substance of things presented as evidence in the world of the flesh has a way of getting lost. "Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? For riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven."(Pr.23:5)
Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. That really blesses me to know you are lifting me up in prayer. My thyroid ultrasouond showed that there are now two small nodules and that I should do a follow up ultrasound in a year. I go to the rheumatologist on Tuesday and he will evaluate why my white blood cell count is high in three of the five types of white blood cells.
Our home restoration from the pipe leak is coming along well. The flooring goes in this week as well as installing the new shower pan, walls, and doors. Then the flooring in the bathroom will be done and the vanity and toilet reset. In the other bath, the tub surround will be installed next and then the flooring, then the vanity and toilet resetting.
We spent this weekend painting rooms that will be refloored this week as some of the job is not insurance related but makes sense to do at this time. So doing the painting ourselves will save money for us. We are waiting to hear back from the adjuster to see if repainting the ceiling in the area we painted the walls will be covered since we noticed a few water spots appearing in the ceiling. Must have begun to show up as the ceiling dried. If the insurance will cover the painting, then we will have the worker remove the popcorn ceiling first and then texture and paint. The removal of the popcorn ceiling and texturing will be on us to pay for. But at least the painting may be paid for by insurance. We are faring well with all the "stuff" this involves. And it is really pleasing to me to get these things done that needed to be done decades ago when we first moved in 30 years ago.
I am thankful for the inheritance I received from my Mom when she passed almost two years ago. It will pay for what we will be doing as upgrades in this project. We will still have enough to continue to remodel all of the downstairs. So very blessed by her and thankful!
Pnovello, again, thank you for your care for me. Let me know how I can pray for you also.