Many follow the tradition of Jesus being crucified on Friday called Good Friday. Jesus fulfilled the Passover and is our Passover so if we look in Exodus 12:3-6 the lamb was taken up on the 10th of Nisan and killed on the 14th in the evening before sunset.
Passover day is one day it is a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread and is separate from the 7-day feast of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which is 7 days from the 15th to the 21st. Today as back then some call it either Passover or the Feast of Unleavened Bread and is 8 days, you can look at a calendar and you will see Passover is 8 days.
If we look at John 12:1-12 it is 6 days before Passover and the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem, that would be 5 days before Passover making it the 10th that is called today Palm Sunday. This is the day the lambs were to be taken up that is the reason the money changers were there they were selling lambs and other animals for sacrifice to all the people who traveled to Jerusalem for Passover.
So, if Sunday, the first day of the week was the 10th and Passover day when the lambs were sacrificed, Thursday would be the 14th. When Jesus told them to go and prepare the upper room was on Wednesday and when the sunset it would be the beginning of Passover day when the Last Supper. The Last Supper was not a Passover meal because the lambs were not killed until the afternoon of that same day.
We see John 19:14 is the preparation of the Passover, that is Passover day the 14th, Thursday when Jesus was crucified, and He died at 3 PM the same time they were sacrificing the Passover lambs that would have been eaten that night the 15th the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
The Jewish day starts at sundown, the Last Supper was at the beginning of Passover day the 14th and Jesus was crucified the morning of the same day, died at 3 PM the same day, and was buried before the sun set the same day the 14th, Thursday.
The quotes and communication between God and man stated in the Bible are not always verbal. Jonah praying from the belly of the great fish for instance, is cited by the Spirit truthfully because as St Paul says, I shall cite 22 passages,
Ro.8
" But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his./And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
" Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered./And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."
Testimony of three must be true.
I am just leaving for my vacation and shall be happy to take up the thread of discussion , with joy and peace in him
The Old Testament Saints were given the same promise as those of the house of David are given today:
IMMORTAL LIFE
The Old Testament Saints could not receive that promise because Christ, the resurrection, had not yet come to fulfill the prophecies.
They DIED not yet receiving the promise, immortal life.
Hebrews 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Hebrews 11:40 God having something BETTER for us, that they (the saints of old) without us should not be made perfect (the image of Christ, being resurrected with Christ as ONE FLESH).
The 144,000 are those OLD SAINTS, from the twelve tribes of Israel, the first fruits of his resurrection, we are a kind of first fruit, also being resurrected with Christ.
Zachariah 12:7 The LORD also shall SAVE (give immortal life) to the house of JUDAH FIRST (the 144,00), that the GLORY of the house of David and Jerusalem doth not magnify THEMSELVES against the the house of Judah.
The kingdom of God, IS CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 15:53 ... this MORTAL shall put on IMMORTALITY ......
1 Timothy 6:16 ...Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY .....
1 Corinthians 6:16 .... for TWO, saith he, shall be ONE FLESH .....
Hello Bennymkje. Just to clarify, I am not a KJB Online Moderator nor representing a denomination. I am, as you, S. Spencer and most others here, simply believers & lovers of the Word of God who want to help others with their questions or provide input for consideration and discussion. What we have done (as any other who wishes to do here) is to provide an answer to Tdianne's question, which we have done as from God's Word. Now, whether our answer is incorrect, according to your own belief & you then provide your own answer, is for Tdianne to discern, study & digest. So, that is one side of this thread: to answer Tdianne. The other side is whether there should be a further discussion between us on the issues that arise resulting from our often very different biblical hermeneutics.
I could use any of your submissions as examples, but just taking a quick one from this comment: "Did he (St. John) hear with his physical ears or with the ear of faith?" My answer would be a clear, "with his physical ears". Why? Because the Scriptures tell us so ( Revelation 7:1 "I SAW four angels"; Revelation 7:4 "I HEARD the number"). John believed the vision he saw & the words he heard were real, & not just in a dream, a trance or wishful thinking. Now, if you believe that this understanding is incorrect & yours is correct (i.e. 'God isn't giving news of the physical earth and gossip about who shall make the list', etc.), then the burden of proof rests with you as to how you arrive at your conclusion, for clearly that is not what the Word gives us. If John heard "with the ear of faith", how was this faith exercised, when he stated that his vision & hearing were actually real? I realize that "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen", but did John express such faith here when the vision & the words given to him did not require faith to believe that they were real, but only to receive & record it for us?
All the things you just ask for, has he not already given these things to you?
Isaiah 59:21 As for me (God), this is my (God's) covenant with THEM, saith the Lord, My Spirit that is upon thee (Christ), and my (God's) WORDS which I have put in thy (Christ's) mouth, Shall not depart out of thy (Christ's) mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy (Christ's) SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy (Christ's) SEEDS SEED, saith the Lord, from henceforth and forever.
Psalms 12:4 Who (mankind) have said, With our tongue we shall prevail; our LIPS ARE OUR OWN: who is Lord over us?
Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be ONE FLESH: so they are NO MORE TWAIN, but ONE FLESH.
S Spencer, Thank you for the comment about the 144000 going to heaven. As a child, I read that and it has stuck with me till today. It scared me thinking that even thought Im a child of God only 144000 would go to heaven. Thank you for clearing that up.
The number is the church, the body of Christ, the holy city of God. Length breadth and height are equal. Twelve thousand furlongs. (Re.21:16-17) Don't use furlongs as we measure here. "according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.". This is what each saint measures in Christ. How many shall fit in the city? Think of spiritual bodies, each saint is in Christ and in his glory shall fill? The Spirit used a tag to indicate the body, that is all. ,
The heavens stretched as a curtain from end to end, each circle is the heart of man. He is in the secret place, and it the shadow of the Almighty. May we learn to put our trust under the shadow of thy wings. In.vv.5-6 we read His righteousness like the giant eagle wing cover us. They are great mountains that we can never attain. His depths are past understanding, "Thy mercy, O Lord, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds./Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O Lord, thou preservest man and beast."
"And thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures" here we have the river of time flowing from his throne till the throne of the Lamb in eternity.
Thy pleasures refer to his mercy of which we read thus, " It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not./They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness."(Lam.3:22-23)
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."
This light is the true Light, which is the life of men. Make us see evermore thy glory which is from everlasting to everlasting.
Our prayer is to behold this face "the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" daily as we live our lives in sickness, in labor and at workplace, in our daily lives let it give understanding to worship you. (Ps.19:1-2; 2 Co.4:6) Amen
I answered Tidianne. The significance is in line with many other instances in the Bible w.r.t the Gospel of GodIf you read my answer you may perhaps get it. As I said earlier "John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." I said my piece and I rest.
If the 12 tribes are still around and truly under the Law of Moses do they need to be have numbered?
End quote
Bennymkje, they are numbered in Revelation so there won't be no mistake who John is identifying.
You asked, Isn't circumcision is a sign for them? As with Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel so many number of Christians from the left out church redeem themselves.
Yes, circumcision is a sign for them.
But, Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel has nothing to do with them showing up in Revelation.
The message is the sacrifice by faith.
As for the tribes being lost
in James 1:1 it seems they are not lost, nor were they ever lost.
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
However Bennymkje, neither of these topics answers Tdianne's question.
"Where does it says no one but the 144,000 goes to Heaven.
In the vision St John heard the number. Did he hear with his physical ears or with the ear of faith? If it is the former the verses aforementioned would need correction. "I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." God gives the revelation of Jesus Christ through his angel. It cannot be to give any news of the physical earth and gossip about who shall make the list or who shall not. God has already recorded their names and the Book of the Lamb has names as well. So 'the servants of our God' ought to be from the latter book.
The number 4 repeated refers to the word of God, which is the basis for the everlasting covenant. The last line puzzles me, "Do you have moderators in which you and Chris are members? Or are you moderate it to suit the denomination you represent?
If the 12 tribes are still around and truly under the Law of Moses do they need to be have numbered? Isn't circumcision is a sign for them? As with Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel so many number of Christians from the left out church redeem themselves. It is what baptism for the dead would signify. It was first shown by Jesus Christ.. The first fruits standing with Jesus have the name of the Father in their foreheads."Re.14:1)
This info from wikipedia may be of some interest to you. "After 70 years, many of the captives of Judah returned to Jerusalem and rebuilt the city. Because of this and their renewed diligence in keeping God's Sabbath, their history continued. However, the northern 10 tribes largely disappeared from history."
The group you have here in Revelation 7:2-8 is 12000 Jews out of each of the 12 tribes of Israel as mentioned in vs 4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
And the tribes are listed and divided in the following verses.
This group is sealed by God in will be on earth serving during the tribulation period. The Church would have already been raptured.
Tdianne you won't find in the Bible where it says "only 144,000 people are going to heaven" because it's not in the Bible!
This is the Jehovah Witness beliefs.
The Jehovah's Witnesses started in 1870 by Charles Taze Russell.
In the beginning it was just a few of them and they claimed that only a 144,000 go to heaven and the rest would inherit the Earth.
The problem is they have outgrown the number, now it's millions of them.
They believe they are the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation and they were sealed to preach the Kingdom has come.
I hope that helps.
If you have anymore questions on this group let us know.
"I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help." (Ps.121:1)
Compare with the Ps.91:1-2 "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty./ I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust." The fortress the shelter for any saint is the shadow of the Almighty. Think of the wings replaced by hills casting this shadow. What are these? One is Zion and the other Eden, the holy mountain of God. (Is.28:16;Ez.28:14)
"Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth."(Is.40:26)
The Spirit uses numbers for specific purposes. God is a Spirit and in order to translate His purpose for man the number 144,000 is made up of 12x12x1000. You shall see multiples of 12 which is the command number for the Gospel of God. 120 (12x10) indicates a man life based on the word of God. "yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(Ge.6:3).
Jesus chose 12 disciples.
In order to indicate the end times the Spirit sets multiple of 1000 instead. So the number refers to the body of church set apart redeemed by the word of God. In most instances it has nothing to do with numerical value we associate with number.
If you want to reduce the number 12 further (4x3) it shows the number Four which tells the word of God is the same in all cardinal directions. Three is the command number for the Son.
Hello Tdianne. The 144,000 you read about, is found in Revelation 7:2-8 (the sealing of God's servants & their origin) and Revelation 14:1-5 (these who were "the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb" (v4)).
When we come to this Book of the Revelation, there will always be many opinions about the people, events, & timing of their appearance, since much of Revelation is still future. But if we go by what we have been given in these passages, we note that this great number of people are from the twelve tribes of Israel, they are God's servants, undefiled, and they stand with Jesus on Mt. Zion (alluding to Jesus' Second Coming to rule upon the Earth).
These were redeemed as first fruits among men, and yet in Revelation 7:9, John the Revelator sees 'a great multitude without number from all nations also standing before God's Throne & before the Lamb, worshipping God'. So it seems clear that the 144,000 are distinct as those from the tribes of Israel, and there are also those of the Gentile nations, all whom will stand with Jesus in Jerusalem in that coming day. Whether any part of these passages indicate that there is also worship by these in Heaven (& then on Earth), or the specific timing of when these Jews are sealed by God or do His bidding on Earth, are all open to conjecture as what John sees, he brings to us. What John hasn't been told (or shown), would leave both him & us in ignorance to all the specifics. And so we read what we've been given & we should allow the Holy Spirit to guide & comfort our hearts in both the known & unknown.
I will continue to pray for Nathan and for his mom. May he get all the support, treatment, and nurture he needs during this panful, difficult, and life-changing situation.
Richard, I am always glad to pray for you and your parents. It seems that things have been pretty trying for you and that is getting you down a bit. I will pray for God to keep you in His joy and peace through all of this.
Many follow the tradition of Jesus being crucified on Friday called Good Friday. Jesus fulfilled the Passover and is our Passover so if we look in Exodus 12:3-6 the lamb was taken up on the 10th of Nisan and killed on the 14th in the evening before sunset.
Passover day is one day it is a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread and is separate from the 7-day feast of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which is 7 days from the 15th to the 21st. Today as back then some call it either Passover or the Feast of Unleavened Bread and is 8 days, you can look at a calendar and you will see Passover is 8 days.
If we look at John 12:1-12 it is 6 days before Passover and the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem, that would be 5 days before Passover making it the 10th that is called today Palm Sunday. This is the day the lambs were to be taken up that is the reason the money changers were there they were selling lambs and other animals for sacrifice to all the people who traveled to Jerusalem for Passover.
So, if Sunday, the first day of the week was the 10th and Passover day when the lambs were sacrificed, Thursday would be the 14th. When Jesus told them to go and prepare the upper room was on Wednesday and when the sunset it would be the beginning of Passover day when the Last Supper. The Last Supper was not a Passover meal because the lambs were not killed until the afternoon of that same day.
We see John 19:14 is the preparation of the Passover, that is Passover day the 14th, Thursday when Jesus was crucified, and He died at 3 PM the same time they were sacrificing the Passover lambs that would have been eaten that night the 15th the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
The Jewish day starts at sundown, the Last Supper was at the beginning of Passover day the 14th and Jesus was crucified the morning of the same day, died at 3 PM the same day, and was buried before the sun set the same day the 14th, Thursday.
God bless,
RLW
The quotes and communication between God and man stated in the Bible are not always verbal. Jonah praying from the belly of the great fish for instance, is cited by the Spirit truthfully because as St Paul says, I shall cite 22 passages,
Ro.8
" But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his./And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
" Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered./And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."
Testimony of three must be true.
I am just leaving for my vacation and shall be happy to take up the thread of discussion , with joy and peace in him
Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the MYSTERIES of the kingdom of God: but to others in
parables; that SEEING they might NOT SEE, and HEARING they might not UNDERSTAND.
John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If you were blind, you should have NO SIN: but now you say, WE SEE, therefore your SIN REMAINETH.
John 9:3 Jesus answered them, Neither this man SINNED, nor his parents: but hat the works of God should be made manifest IN HIM.
God Bless You
The Old Testament Saints were given the same promise as those of the house of David are given today:
IMMORTAL LIFE
The Old Testament Saints could not receive that promise because Christ, the resurrection, had not yet come to fulfill the prophecies.
They DIED not yet receiving the promise, immortal life.
Hebrews 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Hebrews 11:40 God having something BETTER for us, that they (the saints of old) without us should not be made perfect (the image of Christ, being resurrected with Christ as ONE FLESH).
The 144,000 are those OLD SAINTS, from the twelve tribes of Israel, the first fruits of his resurrection, we are a kind of first fruit, also being resurrected with Christ.
Zachariah 12:7 The LORD also shall SAVE (give immortal life) to the house of JUDAH FIRST (the 144,00), that the GLORY of the house of David and Jerusalem doth not magnify THEMSELVES against the the house of Judah.
The kingdom of God, IS CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 15:53 ... this MORTAL shall put on IMMORTALITY ......
1 Timothy 6:16 ...Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY .....
1 Corinthians 6:16 .... for TWO, saith he, shall be ONE FLESH .....
God Bless You
I could use any of your submissions as examples, but just taking a quick one from this comment: "Did he (St. John) hear with his physical ears or with the ear of faith?" My answer would be a clear, "with his physical ears". Why? Because the Scriptures tell us so ( Revelation 7:1 "I SAW four angels"; Revelation 7:4 "I HEARD the number"). John believed the vision he saw & the words he heard were real, & not just in a dream, a trance or wishful thinking. Now, if you believe that this understanding is incorrect & yours is correct (i.e. 'God isn't giving news of the physical earth and gossip about who shall make the list', etc.), then the burden of proof rests with you as to how you arrive at your conclusion, for clearly that is not what the Word gives us. If John heard "with the ear of faith", how was this faith exercised, when he stated that his vision & hearing were actually real? I realize that "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen", but did John express such faith here when the vision & the words given to him did not require faith to believe that they were real, but only to receive & record it for us?
I'm sure we exceeded that number before John penned Revelation.
It has nothing to do with a number of people "Going" to Heaven.
God bless.
I have a question?
All the things you just ask for, has he not already given these things to you?
Isaiah 59:21 As for me (God), this is my (God's) covenant with THEM, saith the Lord, My Spirit that is upon thee (Christ), and my (God's) WORDS which I have put in thy (Christ's) mouth, Shall not depart out of thy (Christ's) mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy (Christ's) SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy (Christ's) SEEDS SEED, saith the Lord, from henceforth and forever.
Psalms 12:4 Who (mankind) have said, With our tongue we shall prevail; our LIPS ARE OUR OWN: who is Lord over us?
Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be ONE FLESH: so they are NO MORE TWAIN, but ONE FLESH.
We are to worship in TRUTH and Spirit.
God Bless You.
My goal was to get my answer out to Tdianne. I did that and now I'm moving on.
We will have to agree to disagree.
I hope you are able to do that.
God bless.
The number is the church, the body of Christ, the holy city of God. Length breadth and height are equal. Twelve thousand furlongs. (Re.21:16-17) Don't use furlongs as we measure here. "according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.". This is what each saint measures in Christ. How many shall fit in the city? Think of spiritual bodies, each saint is in Christ and in his glory shall fill? The Spirit used a tag to indicate the body, that is all. ,
Ps.36:5-10
The heavens stretched as a curtain from end to end, each circle is the heart of man. He is in the secret place, and it the shadow of the Almighty. May we learn to put our trust under the shadow of thy wings. In.vv.5-6 we read His righteousness like the giant eagle wing cover us. They are great mountains that we can never attain. His depths are past understanding, "Thy mercy, O Lord, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds./Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O Lord, thou preservest man and beast."
"And thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures" here we have the river of time flowing from his throne till the throne of the Lamb in eternity.
Thy pleasures refer to his mercy of which we read thus, " It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not./They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness."(Lam.3:22-23)
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."
This light is the true Light, which is the life of men. Make us see evermore thy glory which is from everlasting to everlasting.
Our prayer is to behold this face "the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" daily as we live our lives in sickness, in labor and at workplace, in our daily lives let it give understanding to worship you. (Ps.19:1-2; 2 Co.4:6) Amen
I read your reply before I sent my reply,
I didn't see an answer.
Thanks and God bless.
I answered Tidianne. The significance is in line with many other instances in the Bible w.r.t the Gospel of GodIf you read my answer you may perhaps get it. As I said earlier "John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." I said my piece and I rest.
You asked,
If the 12 tribes are still around and truly under the Law of Moses do they need to be have numbered?
End quote
Bennymkje, they are numbered in Revelation so there won't be no mistake who John is identifying.
You asked, Isn't circumcision is a sign for them? As with Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel so many number of Christians from the left out church redeem themselves.
Yes, circumcision is a sign for them.
But, Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel has nothing to do with them showing up in Revelation.
The message is the sacrifice by faith.
As for the tribes being lost
in James 1:1 it seems they are not lost, nor were they ever lost.
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
However Bennymkje, neither of these topics answers Tdianne's question.
"Where does it says no one but the 144,000 goes to Heaven.
God bless.
In the vision St John heard the number. Did he hear with his physical ears or with the ear of faith? If it is the former the verses aforementioned would need correction. "I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." God gives the revelation of Jesus Christ through his angel. It cannot be to give any news of the physical earth and gossip about who shall make the list or who shall not. God has already recorded their names and the Book of the Lamb has names as well. So 'the servants of our God' ought to be from the latter book.
The number 4 repeated refers to the word of God, which is the basis for the everlasting covenant. The last line puzzles me, "Do you have moderators in which you and Chris are members? Or are you moderate it to suit the denomination you represent?
If the 12 tribes are still around and truly under the Law of Moses do they need to be have numbered? Isn't circumcision is a sign for them? As with Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel so many number of Christians from the left out church redeem themselves. It is what baptism for the dead would signify. It was first shown by Jesus Christ.. The first fruits standing with Jesus have the name of the Father in their foreheads."Re.14:1)
This info from wikipedia may be of some interest to you. "After 70 years, many of the captives of Judah returned to Jerusalem and rebuilt the city. Because of this and their renewed diligence in keeping God's Sabbath, their history continued. However, the northern 10 tribes largely disappeared from history."
I agree with Brother Chris.
The group you have here in Revelation 7:2-8 is 12000 Jews out of each of the 12 tribes of Israel as mentioned in vs 4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
And the tribes are listed and divided in the following verses.
This group is sealed by God in will be on earth serving during the tribulation period. The Church would have already been raptured.
Tdianne you won't find in the Bible where it says "only 144,000 people are going to heaven" because it's not in the Bible!
This is the Jehovah Witness beliefs.
The Jehovah's Witnesses started in 1870 by Charles Taze Russell.
In the beginning it was just a few of them and they claimed that only a 144,000 go to heaven and the rest would inherit the Earth.
The problem is they have outgrown the number, now it's millions of them.
They believe they are the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation and they were sealed to preach the Kingdom has come.
I hope that helps.
If you have anymore questions on this group let us know.
God bless.
"I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help." (Ps.121:1)
Compare with the Ps.91:1-2 "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty./ I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust." The fortress the shelter for any saint is the shadow of the Almighty. Think of the wings replaced by hills casting this shadow. What are these? One is Zion and the other Eden, the holy mountain of God. (Is.28:16;Ez.28:14)
"Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth."(Is.40:26)
There is a Important factor that often gets overlooked and not told about n that is
A Person Must Ask ,In Order To Receive, miracles from the Holy
that includes Asking for forgiveness,or Asking for the Gift of Heaven or whatevr, it has to be asked for and or pursued
a person can't pull up to a drive thru window n not say anything,or go to a restaurant and not say anything
its a Blessing to get what you ask for and asking is the only way to get it
as the ol saying goes the wheel that squeaks gets the grease
The Spirit uses numbers for specific purposes. God is a Spirit and in order to translate His purpose for man the number 144,000 is made up of 12x12x1000. You shall see multiples of 12 which is the command number for the Gospel of God. 120 (12x10) indicates a man life based on the word of God. "yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(Ge.6:3).
Jesus chose 12 disciples.
In order to indicate the end times the Spirit sets multiple of 1000 instead. So the number refers to the body of church set apart redeemed by the word of God. In most instances it has nothing to do with numerical value we associate with number.
If you want to reduce the number 12 further (4x3) it shows the number Four which tells the word of God is the same in all cardinal directions. Three is the command number for the Son.
When we come to this Book of the Revelation, there will always be many opinions about the people, events, & timing of their appearance, since much of Revelation is still future. But if we go by what we have been given in these passages, we note that this great number of people are from the twelve tribes of Israel, they are God's servants, undefiled, and they stand with Jesus on Mt. Zion (alluding to Jesus' Second Coming to rule upon the Earth).
These were redeemed as first fruits among men, and yet in Revelation 7:9, John the Revelator sees 'a great multitude without number from all nations also standing before God's Throne & before the Lamb, worshipping God'. So it seems clear that the 144,000 are distinct as those from the tribes of Israel, and there are also those of the Gentile nations, all whom will stand with Jesus in Jerusalem in that coming day. Whether any part of these passages indicate that there is also worship by these in Heaven (& then on Earth), or the specific timing of when these Jews are sealed by God or do His bidding on Earth, are all open to conjecture as what John sees, he brings to us. What John hasn't been told (or shown), would leave both him & us in ignorance to all the specifics. And so we read what we've been given & we should allow the Holy Spirit to guide & comfort our hearts in both the known & unknown.
I love reading and learning from the bible. I don't always understand it so my notebook is full of questions. Other bible study
sites confuse me, thanks for answering my questions.
I will continue to pray for Nathan and for his mom. May he get all the support, treatment, and nurture he needs during this panful, difficult, and life-changing situation.
Thanks for asking GiGi your have a good heart, he has a long recovery, he lives in Denver. What is hard his mother, my neighbor is many miles away.
God bless,
RLW
I have been keeping Nathan in prayer. How is he recovering?