God laid before Adam a choice, the same He does now in an altered form. He asks Cain thus: "If thou doest well, shall thou not be accepted?(v.7)
Now when God made Adam a living soul He breathed life into him quality of which is different fromthat of an amoeb and it responds to pleasure and avoid pain. Life abundant is different. When Moses would lay before Israel he declares the only way one might choose life, - which is abundant life, the very quality that comes from wisdom which is of God. "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"(De.30:19) When God breathed into the nostrils he did just that so that 'both thou and thy seed may live'. Moses being man of God would not add anything to what is the truth. God set the truth in Adam for the sake of Cain and Abel and for the holy family adopted in his own Son. God blessed man saying. "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it."(1:28-29)
Serpent who beguiled Eve was not speaking in his own best interest but for Satan the father of lies. Ever since it is the carnal wisdom which as James rightly says is devilish and it is what is ruling in our times.(Jas.3:15)
Adam realized his eyes were opened while his eye of faith was shut, is more likely.
How this could have affected the siblings? Cain would present fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. He would have based the sweat and toil as quality that God would appreciate, while Abel would please him by offerings 'of firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.' Cain was pleased to base his physical labor in his choice while Abel chose what wisdom of his spirit prompted him.We read in v.5 "But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell."How did Abel settle upon a burnt offering? He relied on wisdom from heaven instead.
Amen, I believe it was this way shown below. If we can take Gen 1:1 literal why not this ay, PTL. God Bless you and thanks the advice too again.
"Because wanted the people to be spread over ALL the earth, I tend to think the movement of the land masses happened quickly as the Bible says that this division happened during the life span of Peleg."
Fall of man is in not being able to choose well, but letting the truth under the bushel so to speak. By creating contextual or transactional truth it is liking putting the light of your life under a bushel. Many who would improve truth are killing it. Thus half truth is a lie.This no-man's land is all too familiar in our time. Alternate reality is called. You heard it and know it is an outright lie, right? But you let that pass because you know you shall soon use one of these counterfeit coins. Live and let live. There is honor among thieves so duds also pass hands. Call it free speech or whatever.This is the spirit of the times.
Following his father's example Can would have known the simple truth which St Paul teaches us, "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:/ And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:/ But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body."(1 Co.15:36-38) On the other hand Abel would choose a course that would intimate redemption came from shedding of blood. It is probable that he was well aware of the coats of skins with which God clothed his parents. Certainly as a living soul he knew that God was knowable and he certainly would have referred truth in his inward parts. As St Paul says, "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."(Ro.1:19-20)
Adam knew his wife. Is it not what marriage for? It is not as simple as it seems on paper. Marriage is also a transaction between two parties. Disobeying God brought sin into the world.Sin lying at the door created a no man's land where knowing good and evil without the truth ripens into a bitter fruit. A proof to which is the familiar eleventh commandment. "Thou shalt not be found out" It is how Satan has set the line of least resistance before man. Peer pressure is yet another and envy as we shall see from the manner the career of Abel and Cain would show.
Man and woman were like gods in a manner of speaking but without the glory of God as their covering they were adrift from the wisdom, which came from heaven. So their carnal knowledge spelled a certain loss. "And knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." By sin they came short of the fount of godly gifts they could freely access.. Adam as a representational figure came short of the glory of God. "The Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken."(3:23)
" For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Ro.3:23-NKJV). Adam was conscious of his nakedness and without the glory of God his knowledge was not adequate to safeguard the future prospects of his two sons. His carnal knowledge ever since would leave nothing but misery and union of man and woman up against mounting challenges, not to mention the dysfunctional families. Adam knew Eve and she knew that Cain was a gift from God. But with what would they fill his head? Without glory of God and access to wisdom from heaven he settled for an alternate reality. He took the easy way out by following his father's occupation. Abel instead went on to be the keeper of sheep.
"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
The Holy Spirit began the narrative by 'now' which refers to the characteristic of serpent as created by God. So the fall of man must be seen 'in the present' as against the eternal mind of God where emblem of the slain Lamb or the brazen serpent raised on a pole ( John 3:14), which implied the death of his Son. In order to set the context of his fall the Spirit points to another emblem, which is also about the Son. I am the way, the truth and life." Jesus declared, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." ( John 14:6) So Salvation plan as determined by the Lord God was neither from the east west south or north but was Person specific. This tree of life symbolized the prince of Life.
The cherubim is often represented as fiery beings attendant upon the Lord and jealous for His holiness. The flaming sword which turned every way therefore is to be understood beyond the heaven and earth and the kingdom of God. As mentioned earlier cardinal directions as we know the term have no bearing upon the Lord God As the visible image of the invisible God in him was the fulness of the heights and of the depths.
" For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:/ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence./ For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell."( Col 1:15-19)
Some think that what was said of Peleg has a double meaning, of
(1) the earth's land mass was all one continent and this mass divided up into the continents we have today over time.
Peleg was born at the time of the Tower of Babel
(2) the peoples were divided by God and scattered over the different areas of the earth at the time of the Tower of Babel.
I do not think that God miraculously transported groups of people and put them on each of the continents. I think that God caused the people to migrate further from Mesopotamia (Babel particularly) in all directions, confused their language so that they no longer spoke one tongue worldwide, and began to separate the continents so that people groups became more and more distinct and isolated from the original gene pool at Babel. This makes sense. But whether there was a rapid moving of the land masses or slower, can't really tell, and if it was quickly, then people would reach distinction and separation sooner than if the land masses separated slowly.
Because wanted the people to be spread over ALL the earth, I tend to think the movement of the land masses happened quickly as the Bible says that this division happened during the life span of Peleg.
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
"Enmity between thee and the woman" which owes to the manner the man upset the order God had established. He sinned. It was useless as the creature questioning the creator, "Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, 'What are you making?' or 'Your work has no handles'?"(Is.45:9-ESV) St Paul references this in his epistle, "Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honourable use and another for dishonourable use?"(Ro.9:20-21) God set an order so she signified the body the holy family of God formed of the doctrine of God. The man was created in his own image meaning that he stood as the double for his Son. Byletting contextual truth come in between Adam created a no-man's land, a spiritual space nevertheless where truth is like putty and one moment it is transactional truth where we have the rider 'Caveat emptor! or 'all is fair in love and war'. Ways of the world is what man's disobedience created. To this God would address thus,"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."(Ge.4:7)
When is the Coming of the Lord in the clouds, the "rapture" in context?
( Mt 26:64) .. "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven".
Jesus said He will be ((coming in the clouds)) in context!
( Rev 1:7) "Behold, he ((cometh with clouds)); and every eye shall see him"...
He cometh with clouds in context!
( 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) v15 "the coming of the Lord".
v16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout"...
v17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them ((in the clouds)), to meet the Lord in the air"...
We meet the Lord in the clouds in context!
( Mt 24:29-31) v29 "Immediately after the tribulation"...
v30 ".."and they shall see the Son of man ((coming in the clouds)) of heaven with power and great glory".
v31 "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds"...
The Lord ((coming in the clouds)) in context, Is Immediately after the tribulation!
The return of Jesus riding a white horse in ( Rev 19:11-16) says nothing about coming in the clouds. But v11 does say "he doth judge and make war". So this return is coming (to the earth) not in the clouds. v15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should (smite the nations): and he shall (rule them with a rod of iron): and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God". This is not the return in the clouds in context.
This should be clear to all who seek the Truth, the return on the white horse ( Rev 19:11-16) and the return ((in the clouds)) in ( Mt 24:29-31) are not even close to being the same event!
Please pray for me, I have a health concern about my kidneys. I have been healthy most of my life, but recently I have some concerns. Please pray for me. Thank you and God bless you.
Heavenly Father, I ask for the same as RicoUS. That we be Your vessels, bringing light to darkness for all that are in need. That we be fruitful for Your honor and glory. Thank You Heavenly Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God bless you RicoUS.
I have always been a Christian, but was not living my life for God like I should have been. A couple weeks ago I was scrolling through youtube and found a preacher on there that caught my attention. I watched his program, and the holy spirit filled me like never before. It was like my eyes were suddenly open, and I saw my sin so blatantly before me, and repented, renewing my life to our Lord. For about a week everything was fine, I was working out again, and was feeling energetic and positive, but these last 3 days I can barely get out of bed, and am having headaches and horrible nightmares. I feel that Satan is trying to get his grip on me again. I need prayer to protect me from his advances, and let me blossom in the love of Christ please.
Is says earth, most cases referring to the ground we walk on. Did God divide the earth as in the continents or placed them in land already separated (continents) as they are today? Like the world, 5 Hebrew translations, 3 Greek. Earth though all refer to the ground, dirt, soil in all three translations.
1 Chronicles 1:19 - And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.
Genesis 10:25
"And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan."
Genesis 10:32 - These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
Genesis 11:16-19 - And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
Deuteronomy 32:8 - When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Luke 3:35-36 - Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
Acts 17:26 - And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Heavenly Father, I ask that You answer Kosh's plea. Guide Kosh to the right diet for the correct weight for Your child, and for the discipline needed to keep a healthy diet. We come to You through Your son Jesus all for Your honor and glory. God bless you Kosh.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
We both agree on the verse above, salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ and is a gift not of ourselves, we cannot earn our salvation. We are also ordained that we should walk in good works.
This is not a discussion on how we are saved it is about whether when we accept Jesus as our savior and are baptized, are we saved forever. Are all our sins ever we do, forgiven at that point? Or can we fall from God's grace and forfeit our salvation? One thought, do we have free will, if so, God being a sovereign God would leave it up to man to choose to accept or reject His word, His offer, and His gift. So, if a man can choose, can he later as a Christian choose to forsake Christ thereby abandoning his salvation and losing the gift of eternal life? Or is it all predestined? If so, why would there be a judgment?
What are God's terms? (Isn't that a contradictory statement? Isn't it to believe in him whom he sent?) That is true. To some that is easy, all they must do is believe, they have their ticket. Someone then asks them do they believe in God and what Jesus did, all they must do is say yes, I believe. Is it just to believe that is contradictory, is this a half-truth, like you will not surely die? Gen. 3:4-5.
If we say when someone walks away or falls back into sin they were never saved to begin with. If we do is that judging? Is there any way for us to know what is in the heart of another man or woman? 1 Cor. 2:11. If we say they were never saved is that just to support a doctrine? I have been studying this is the reason for the delay. I hope I can show my understanding of this long-debated subject.
What does it mean to believe? What is the evidence that we believe? As Paul said, it is like running a race, when we start this race, we believe we are going to finish, and with God's Spirit we have all the determination and motivation we are not only going to finish this race we are going to win this race.
We are saved! We are being saved! We shall be saved! When we start, are all our sins forgiven, our past, present, and our future sins the moment we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and are baptized? Is our salvation guaranteed and we cannot lose it or fall out of grace regardless?
We are saved. Eph. 2:5 When we accept the gospel and are baptized our sins are blotted out, Isaiah 44:22Acts 3:19 and we become a child/son/daughter of God, John 1:12 we are justified, made righteous by the blood of Christ and the Holy Spirit dwells in us, and now we begin a relationship through God's Spirit, and God and Jesus abide in us, 2 John 1:9. This is the start of the race, the beginning of our salvation.
We are being saved. Philippians 1:6 Hearing the Word one believes and is baptized into Christ they are made clean (justification) the work of grace, and the Lord will continue working in us until He returns if we abide in Him John 15:3-5. How does God complete his good work in us? Testing James 1:2-4, chastising Heb. 12:6-7 Our relationship. If we abide in Him, Jesus, and God abides in us. The branches bear the fruit of the vine, the vine produces the fruit not us/branch, sanctification. We are running the race Philippians 2:12
We shall be saved. Redemption and glorification. Our full salvation comes at the end, when Jesus returns. Luke 21:28 "being now justified" We started the race. We are being saved, "being reconciled" we are running the race, 2 Cor. 5:18. We shall be saved at the end of the race. Romans 13:11.
Each believer is personally responsible for living in obedience to Christ's commands. 1 Timothy 4:16. Can we come up short, Hebrews 4:1. Some of the natural branches of the house of Israel were broken off for unbelief so the people of the nations who believe and are justified are grafted in. Believers/saved can be cut off if they do not continue in his goodness/grace. Romans 11:15-24.
Much of your post I agree, it is about becoming saved and our relationship with Jesus, and if we continue to abide in Him those scriptures apply. Concerning Pentecost, Peter was pleading that they accept Jesus as their Messiah that was promised, and they killed Him, not to repent from Judaism. Peter and the disciples at this time were still observing the old law. We see years later they were still debating it in Acts 15.
1 Cor. 9:27 If we look at the wording "But I keep under my body and bring it into subjection" it is as if his body is his adversary. It is like he was beating his body whether it is said metaphorical, but to the subduing of the natural appetites of the flesh, a life of self-denial not to succumb to the sins of the flesh. The Greek adokimos translated as castaway, is the same word for reprobate, Romans 1:28Titus 1:16. I do not think Paul is talking about rewards.
Hebrews 3:12-13 This chapter starts with "Wherefore holy brethern" These are Christians, saved, verse 6 "if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end." The writer includes himself "If We". Verses 12 and 13 are to these same people and verse 14 says "For we are made partakers of Christ" Because they are made so they are saved believers in Christ.
1 John 1:7 If is conditional a choice if you walk in the light there is fellowship, if you don't walk in the light, you are outside of the fellowship.
2 Peter 2:20. They had the knowledge of the Lord and Savior; they were saved and had escaped the pollutions/sins of the world. Can we escape sin outside of Christ? They choose to go back to a life of habitual, intentional, and willful sin. And their punishment will be worse, Luke 12:47-48.
Galatians 6:9 This to me is obedience, It says unless we faint, to me that is to give up, quit, intentionally turn away, we reap life everlasting. Colossians 1:23 "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel". If we continue that is a choice, we must make that is not given that is our obedience.
Jude 1:21 We are to keep ourselves, the Holy Spirit helps us, but this is something we do and if we do, He will keep us from falling. 2 Peter 1:10 If we do, it is not done for us, we have been given but it is up to us to obey and do, if they have forgotten they had to know it to forget it. If We Do!!! we shall never fall. Hebrews 6:13-16 What Abraham did, in his faith, he waited for a long time he endured. He did not faint or grow weary or turn his back to God, the evidence of his faith, just like when he drew back the knife.
This is not about a Christian who is struggling and battling sin regardless of how long they struggle they are still in the race and if they repent and return in the light will be forgiven and in the grace of God. As David said restore unto me the joy of thy salvation, Psalms 51:12. We all are in a battle with our flesh and sin daily. We can lose the joy of salvation and if we come under repentance, we will still be in God's grace but without repentance, we will be cut off.
I am referring to the scriptures that warn those who were saved in the faith that intentionally choose, they knowingly live a sinful lifestyle. They call what is wrong right and sin is ok. They justify and condone sin, much of what we see today, people who were saved but now say sin is okay, I will not list things I'm sure you see it too, what used to be condemned is now ok and accepted, Isaiah 5:20. After we are justified if we do not abide in Jesus if we do not live a life of repentance and obedience, we will be outside of the grace of God.
When Jesus died on the cross, He paid for every sin that the human race will ever commit, from Adam's first sin until the last sin that will be committed. Our sins before we were born again were forgiven, 2 Peter 1:9. Our sins are not forgiven before we commit them, now or in the future. We all will sin but we do not become unsaved. If we confess, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us.
Our life we live is We will be forgiven, not we have been forgiven that is why we should not ignore the Spirit's loving work. Hey, don't do that, and if we slip up, we repent for our disobedience. To me that is a life of repentance and obedience, not works for salvation it is the evidence of our faith. A person can stop doing and lose, walk away, or forfeit, their gift of salvation.
1 Timothy 4:1 Some shall depart from the faith, these are Christians, and you have to be a part of it to depart from it. The process of salvation will not be complete until the return of Jesus and we are resurrected and glorified in our immortal bodies.
Thank you, brother, for this discussion may we grow in faith and understanding.
This seems like Jacob saw the face of GOD and the father GOD and his life was preserved and he will be held by his savior and exauled as his child for forever! Amen y'all!
Right..Praise God .! It is truly amazing how things fall into place when yur right w/God.! Today, my bk ground check came thru & they want me to start tonight.! , ''
Asking for deliverance, healing, salvation (all unsaved loved ones and those the Lord put in our paths), strong protection and a strong anointing of the Holy Spirit in all areas including more love for the Lord and our neighbors but also His power to be at work in an area that is so spiritually dark. Asking this for us and all others having similar needs.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the GOSPEL preached, as well as unto THEM, but the word did not profit them, not being mixed with FAITH (of Christ) in them.
The same gospel does not profit most today, they haven't died to SELF, so ONLY Christ reigns in HIS BODY (all; the NEW CREATION).
Most DO NOT BELIEVE:
Ezekiel 36:27 ANd I WILL put my spirit in my body (the NEW CREATION) and CAUSE my (NEW) body to WALK in my statutes and KEEP my judgements (WORDS) and DO THEM.
They read the words, write the words, speak the words, BUT DO NOT BELIEVE the words.
If Christ is CAUSING you to WILL and to DO, then how can one sin.
The sin is UNBELIEF. All other sins is COVERED by his blood.
When HE (the spirit of truth) IS COME (like a thief that can't be seen) HE WILL reprove the world of SIN: of SIN because they don't BELIEVE the WORD.
My thoughts are like yours. When Adam and Eve tried to cover themselves for their nakedness that evidenced that they had sinned, they may have thought they would be ok before God and each other if their nakedness did not show. But God's plan was to cover them with a blood offering to take away their sin. By killing an animal to cover them with the skin of an animal is an example of how the blood of the perfect "Lamb of God" will come and cover their sin with his righteousness through the shedding of His blood.
I do not know how much Adam and Eve understood about God's plan of salvation because Scripture does not tell us. Yet, I believe that since God still met with them in the Garden, it is safe to say that God explained how their sins will be covered by the Messiah. Perhaps they had full knowledge of the gospel at that time, but saw it as to be fulfilled in the future with the coming of the Holy One sent from God to save them. Perhaps they were told that the shedding of the blood of the animal would serve as a reminder to them of how God covers sin. It does not say that God stopped meeting with Adam even though they were sent out of the Garden. They must have known more than we can know at this time. We may find out in the life to come when we can ask them or ask Jesus.
Texsis, God does work in mysterious ways. Glad you were "at the right place at the right time" to care for this man in his time of desperate need. And look how God is blessing you with an interim place to stay. Yes, God is good. So, I am glad to hear that you have a roof over your head now.
God laid before Adam a choice, the same He does now in an altered form. He asks Cain thus: "If thou doest well, shall thou not be accepted?(v.7)
Now when God made Adam a living soul He breathed life into him quality of which is different fromthat of an amoeb and it responds to pleasure and avoid pain. Life abundant is different. When Moses would lay before Israel he declares the only way one might choose life, - which is abundant life, the very quality that comes from wisdom which is of God. "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"(De.30:19) When God breathed into the nostrils he did just that so that 'both thou and thy seed may live'. Moses being man of God would not add anything to what is the truth. God set the truth in Adam for the sake of Cain and Abel and for the holy family adopted in his own Son. God blessed man saying. "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it."(1:28-29)
Serpent who beguiled Eve was not speaking in his own best interest but for Satan the father of lies. Ever since it is the carnal wisdom which as James rightly says is devilish and it is what is ruling in our times.(Jas.3:15)
Adam realized his eyes were opened while his eye of faith was shut, is more likely.
How this could have affected the siblings? Cain would present fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. He would have based the sweat and toil as quality that God would appreciate, while Abel would please him by offerings 'of firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.' Cain was pleased to base his physical labor in his choice while Abel chose what wisdom of his spirit prompted him.We read in v.5 "But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell."How did Abel settle upon a burnt offering? He relied on wisdom from heaven instead.
"Because wanted the people to be spread over ALL the earth, I tend to think the movement of the land masses happened quickly as the Bible says that this division happened during the life span of Peleg."
Fall of man is in not being able to choose well, but letting the truth under the bushel so to speak. By creating contextual or transactional truth it is liking putting the light of your life under a bushel. Many who would improve truth are killing it. Thus half truth is a lie.This no-man's land is all too familiar in our time. Alternate reality is called. You heard it and know it is an outright lie, right? But you let that pass because you know you shall soon use one of these counterfeit coins. Live and let live. There is honor among thieves so duds also pass hands. Call it free speech or whatever.This is the spirit of the times.
Following his father's example Can would have known the simple truth which St Paul teaches us, "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:/ And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:/ But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body."(1 Co.15:36-38) On the other hand Abel would choose a course that would intimate redemption came from shedding of blood. It is probable that he was well aware of the coats of skins with which God clothed his parents. Certainly as a living soul he knew that God was knowable and he certainly would have referred truth in his inward parts. As St Paul says, "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."(Ro.1:19-20)
Adam knew Eve, his wife
Adam knew his wife. Is it not what marriage for? It is not as simple as it seems on paper. Marriage is also a transaction between two parties. Disobeying God brought sin into the world.Sin lying at the door created a no man's land where knowing good and evil without the truth ripens into a bitter fruit. A proof to which is the familiar eleventh commandment. "Thou shalt not be found out" It is how Satan has set the line of least resistance before man. Peer pressure is yet another and envy as we shall see from the manner the career of Abel and Cain would show.
Man and woman were like gods in a manner of speaking but without the glory of God as their covering they were adrift from the wisdom, which came from heaven. So their carnal knowledge spelled a certain loss. "And knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." By sin they came short of the fount of godly gifts they could freely access.. Adam as a representational figure came short of the glory of God. "The Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken."(3:23)
" For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Ro.3:23-NKJV). Adam was conscious of his nakedness and without the glory of God his knowledge was not adequate to safeguard the future prospects of his two sons. His carnal knowledge ever since would leave nothing but misery and union of man and woman up against mounting challenges, not to mention the dysfunctional families. Adam knew Eve and she knew that Cain was a gift from God. But with what would they fill his head? Without glory of God and access to wisdom from heaven he settled for an alternate reality. He took the easy way out by following his father's occupation. Abel instead went on to be the keeper of sheep.
"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
The Holy Spirit began the narrative by 'now' which refers to the characteristic of serpent as created by God. So the fall of man must be seen 'in the present' as against the eternal mind of God where emblem of the slain Lamb or the brazen serpent raised on a pole ( John 3:14), which implied the death of his Son. In order to set the context of his fall the Spirit points to another emblem, which is also about the Son. I am the way, the truth and life." Jesus declared, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." ( John 14:6) So Salvation plan as determined by the Lord God was neither from the east west south or north but was Person specific. This tree of life symbolized the prince of Life.
The cherubim is often represented as fiery beings attendant upon the Lord and jealous for His holiness. The flaming sword which turned every way therefore is to be understood beyond the heaven and earth and the kingdom of God. As mentioned earlier cardinal directions as we know the term have no bearing upon the Lord God As the visible image of the invisible God in him was the fulness of the heights and of the depths.
" For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:/ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence./ For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell."( Col 1:15-19)
Some think that what was said of Peleg has a double meaning, of
(1) the earth's land mass was all one continent and this mass divided up into the continents we have today over time.
Peleg was born at the time of the Tower of Babel
(2) the peoples were divided by God and scattered over the different areas of the earth at the time of the Tower of Babel.
I do not think that God miraculously transported groups of people and put them on each of the continents. I think that God caused the people to migrate further from Mesopotamia (Babel particularly) in all directions, confused their language so that they no longer spoke one tongue worldwide, and began to separate the continents so that people groups became more and more distinct and isolated from the original gene pool at Babel. This makes sense. But whether there was a rapid moving of the land masses or slower, can't really tell, and if it was quickly, then people would reach distinction and separation sooner than if the land masses separated slowly.
Because wanted the people to be spread over ALL the earth, I tend to think the movement of the land masses happened quickly as the Bible says that this division happened during the life span of Peleg.
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
"Enmity between thee and the woman" which owes to the manner the man upset the order God had established. He sinned. It was useless as the creature questioning the creator, "Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, 'What are you making?' or 'Your work has no handles'?"(Is.45:9-ESV) St Paul references this in his epistle, "Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honourable use and another for dishonourable use?"(Ro.9:20-21) God set an order so she signified the body the holy family of God formed of the doctrine of God. The man was created in his own image meaning that he stood as the double for his Son. Byletting contextual truth come in between Adam created a no-man's land, a spiritual space nevertheless where truth is like putty and one moment it is transactional truth where we have the rider 'Caveat emptor! or 'all is fair in love and war'. Ways of the world is what man's disobedience created. To this God would address thus,"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."(Ge.4:7)
God's prophetic words always come true.
( Mt 26:64) .. "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven".
Jesus said He will be ((coming in the clouds)) in context!
( Rev 1:7) "Behold, he ((cometh with clouds)); and every eye shall see him"...
He cometh with clouds in context!
( 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) v15 "the coming of the Lord".
v16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout"...
v17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them ((in the clouds)), to meet the Lord in the air"...
We meet the Lord in the clouds in context!
( Mt 24:29-31) v29 "Immediately after the tribulation"...
v30 ".."and they shall see the Son of man ((coming in the clouds)) of heaven with power and great glory".
v31 "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds"...
The Lord ((coming in the clouds)) in context, Is Immediately after the tribulation!
The return of Jesus riding a white horse in ( Rev 19:11-16) says nothing about coming in the clouds. But v11 does say "he doth judge and make war". So this return is coming (to the earth) not in the clouds. v15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should (smite the nations): and he shall (rule them with a rod of iron): and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God". This is not the return in the clouds in context.
This should be clear to all who seek the Truth, the return on the white horse ( Rev 19:11-16) and the return ((in the clouds)) in ( Mt 24:29-31) are not even close to being the same event!
God bless
Gina Dye
Is says earth, most cases referring to the ground we walk on. Did God divide the earth as in the continents or placed them in land already separated (continents) as they are today? Like the world, 5 Hebrew translations, 3 Greek. Earth though all refer to the ground, dirt, soil in all three translations.
1 Chronicles 1:19 - And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.
Genesis 10:25
"And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan."
Genesis 10:32 - These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
Genesis 11:16-19 - And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
Deuteronomy 32:8 - When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Luke 3:35-36 - Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
Acts 17:26 - And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Part one
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
We both agree on the verse above, salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ and is a gift not of ourselves, we cannot earn our salvation. We are also ordained that we should walk in good works.
This is not a discussion on how we are saved it is about whether when we accept Jesus as our savior and are baptized, are we saved forever. Are all our sins ever we do, forgiven at that point? Or can we fall from God's grace and forfeit our salvation? One thought, do we have free will, if so, God being a sovereign God would leave it up to man to choose to accept or reject His word, His offer, and His gift. So, if a man can choose, can he later as a Christian choose to forsake Christ thereby abandoning his salvation and losing the gift of eternal life? Or is it all predestined? If so, why would there be a judgment?
What are God's terms? (Isn't that a contradictory statement? Isn't it to believe in him whom he sent?) That is true. To some that is easy, all they must do is believe, they have their ticket. Someone then asks them do they believe in God and what Jesus did, all they must do is say yes, I believe. Is it just to believe that is contradictory, is this a half-truth, like you will not surely die? Gen. 3:4-5.
If we say when someone walks away or falls back into sin they were never saved to begin with. If we do is that judging? Is there any way for us to know what is in the heart of another man or woman? 1 Cor. 2:11. If we say they were never saved is that just to support a doctrine? I have been studying this is the reason for the delay. I hope I can show my understanding of this long-debated subject.
See part two,
Part two
What does it mean to believe? What is the evidence that we believe? As Paul said, it is like running a race, when we start this race, we believe we are going to finish, and with God's Spirit we have all the determination and motivation we are not only going to finish this race we are going to win this race.
We are saved! We are being saved! We shall be saved! When we start, are all our sins forgiven, our past, present, and our future sins the moment we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and are baptized? Is our salvation guaranteed and we cannot lose it or fall out of grace regardless?
We are saved. Eph. 2:5 When we accept the gospel and are baptized our sins are blotted out, Isaiah 44:22 Acts 3:19 and we become a child/son/daughter of God, John 1:12 we are justified, made righteous by the blood of Christ and the Holy Spirit dwells in us, and now we begin a relationship through God's Spirit, and God and Jesus abide in us, 2 John 1:9. This is the start of the race, the beginning of our salvation.
We are being saved. Philippians 1:6 Hearing the Word one believes and is baptized into Christ they are made clean (justification) the work of grace, and the Lord will continue working in us until He returns if we abide in Him John 15:3-5. How does God complete his good work in us? Testing James 1:2-4, chastising Heb. 12:6-7 Our relationship. If we abide in Him, Jesus, and God abides in us. The branches bear the fruit of the vine, the vine produces the fruit not us/branch, sanctification. We are running the race Philippians 2:12
We shall be saved. Redemption and glorification. Our full salvation comes at the end, when Jesus returns. Luke 21:28 "being now justified" We started the race. We are being saved, "being reconciled" we are running the race, 2 Cor. 5:18. We shall be saved at the end of the race. Romans 13:11.
See part three.
Part three,
Each believer is personally responsible for living in obedience to Christ's commands. 1 Timothy 4:16. Can we come up short, Hebrews 4:1. Some of the natural branches of the house of Israel were broken off for unbelief so the people of the nations who believe and are justified are grafted in. Believers/saved can be cut off if they do not continue in his goodness/grace. Romans 11:15-24.
Much of your post I agree, it is about becoming saved and our relationship with Jesus, and if we continue to abide in Him those scriptures apply. Concerning Pentecost, Peter was pleading that they accept Jesus as their Messiah that was promised, and they killed Him, not to repent from Judaism. Peter and the disciples at this time were still observing the old law. We see years later they were still debating it in Acts 15.
1 Cor. 9:27 If we look at the wording "But I keep under my body and bring it into subjection" it is as if his body is his adversary. It is like he was beating his body whether it is said metaphorical, but to the subduing of the natural appetites of the flesh, a life of self-denial not to succumb to the sins of the flesh. The Greek adokimos translated as castaway, is the same word for reprobate, Romans 1:28 Titus 1:16. I do not think Paul is talking about rewards.
Hebrews 3:12-13 This chapter starts with "Wherefore holy brethern" These are Christians, saved, verse 6 "if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end." The writer includes himself "If We". Verses 12 and 13 are to these same people and verse 14 says "For we are made partakers of Christ" Because they are made so they are saved believers in Christ.
1 John 1:7 If is conditional a choice if you walk in the light there is fellowship, if you don't walk in the light, you are outside of the fellowship.
See part four.
Part four,
2 Peter 2:20. They had the knowledge of the Lord and Savior; they were saved and had escaped the pollutions/sins of the world. Can we escape sin outside of Christ? They choose to go back to a life of habitual, intentional, and willful sin. And their punishment will be worse, Luke 12:47-48.
Galatians 6:9 This to me is obedience, It says unless we faint, to me that is to give up, quit, intentionally turn away, we reap life everlasting. Colossians 1:23 "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel". If we continue that is a choice, we must make that is not given that is our obedience.
Jude 1:21 We are to keep ourselves, the Holy Spirit helps us, but this is something we do and if we do, He will keep us from falling. 2 Peter 1:10 If we do, it is not done for us, we have been given but it is up to us to obey and do, if they have forgotten they had to know it to forget it. If We Do!!! we shall never fall. Hebrews 6:13-16 What Abraham did, in his faith, he waited for a long time he endured. He did not faint or grow weary or turn his back to God, the evidence of his faith, just like when he drew back the knife.
This is not about a Christian who is struggling and battling sin regardless of how long they struggle they are still in the race and if they repent and return in the light will be forgiven and in the grace of God. As David said restore unto me the joy of thy salvation, Psalms 51:12. We all are in a battle with our flesh and sin daily. We can lose the joy of salvation and if we come under repentance, we will still be in God's grace but without repentance, we will be cut off.
See part 5.
Part 5
I am referring to the scriptures that warn those who were saved in the faith that intentionally choose, they knowingly live a sinful lifestyle. They call what is wrong right and sin is ok. They justify and condone sin, much of what we see today, people who were saved but now say sin is okay, I will not list things I'm sure you see it too, what used to be condemned is now ok and accepted, Isaiah 5:20. After we are justified if we do not abide in Jesus if we do not live a life of repentance and obedience, we will be outside of the grace of God.
When Jesus died on the cross, He paid for every sin that the human race will ever commit, from Adam's first sin until the last sin that will be committed. Our sins before we were born again were forgiven, 2 Peter 1:9. Our sins are not forgiven before we commit them, now or in the future. We all will sin but we do not become unsaved. If we confess, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us.
Our life we live is We will be forgiven, not we have been forgiven that is why we should not ignore the Spirit's loving work. Hey, don't do that, and if we slip up, we repent for our disobedience. To me that is a life of repentance and obedience, not works for salvation it is the evidence of our faith. A person can stop doing and lose, walk away, or forfeit, their gift of salvation.
1 Timothy 4:1 Some shall depart from the faith, these are Christians, and you have to be a part of it to depart from it. The process of salvation will not be complete until the return of Jesus and we are resurrected and glorified in our immortal bodies.
Thank you, brother, for this discussion may we grow in faith and understanding.
God bless,
RLW
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the GOSPEL preached, as well as unto THEM, but the word did not profit them, not being mixed with FAITH (of Christ) in them.
The same gospel does not profit most today, they haven't died to SELF, so ONLY Christ reigns in HIS BODY (all; the NEW CREATION).
Most DO NOT BELIEVE:
Ezekiel 36:27 ANd I WILL put my spirit in my body (the NEW CREATION) and CAUSE my (NEW) body to WALK in my statutes and KEEP my judgements (WORDS) and DO THEM.
They read the words, write the words, speak the words, BUT DO NOT BELIEVE the words.
If Christ is CAUSING you to WILL and to DO, then how can one sin.
The sin is UNBELIEF. All other sins is COVERED by his blood.
When HE (the spirit of truth) IS COME (like a thief that can't be seen) HE WILL reprove the world of SIN: of SIN because they don't BELIEVE the WORD.
God BLESS YOU!
My thoughts are like yours. When Adam and Eve tried to cover themselves for their nakedness that evidenced that they had sinned, they may have thought they would be ok before God and each other if their nakedness did not show. But God's plan was to cover them with a blood offering to take away their sin. By killing an animal to cover them with the skin of an animal is an example of how the blood of the perfect "Lamb of God" will come and cover their sin with his righteousness through the shedding of His blood.
I do not know how much Adam and Eve understood about God's plan of salvation because Scripture does not tell us. Yet, I believe that since God still met with them in the Garden, it is safe to say that God explained how their sins will be covered by the Messiah. Perhaps they had full knowledge of the gospel at that time, but saw it as to be fulfilled in the future with the coming of the Holy One sent from God to save them. Perhaps they were told that the shedding of the blood of the animal would serve as a reminder to them of how God covers sin. It does not say that God stopped meeting with Adam even though they were sent out of the Garden. They must have known more than we can know at this time. We may find out in the life to come when we can ask them or ask Jesus.