Dear Contriteheart. I am very sorry that Your Mom is gone. My Mom left us a little over a year ago. God took her. It was her time. Her birthday is Oct. 3 and I thought of her as did all of my siblings. She is with the Lord now. But it is still hard to have people die. I will pray for you.
Dear Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus we ask that You will bring comfort and peace to Contrite heart today and each day when he/she remembers her. his Mom that You allowed to die. Help Contriteheart to work through the grief and loss and keep him/her stayed on You in Christ. Bring ways to ease the pain and uplift Contrite heart in the weeks ahead. Oh Lord, we call on You for all our needs, especially in times of great grief. Amen.
So, it seems that the account of the people the Israelites encountered east of the Jordan have a correlation to the time of Abraham. It seems unsure to me exactly who it was that pushed these giants out of the areas of Ammon, Moab and Edom. WAs it the kings of the east, Abraham and his group, or the Moabites, Ammonites, and Edomites. Perhaps it was all of these since the chapter says that God destroyed the giants in times past.
In Deut. 2:24 God calls on the Israelites to rise up and begin to conquer the peoples east of the Jordan after He recounts how the giants were expelled from the area before. He says He will give them Sihon, the giant king of the Amorites, by putting in the oversized inhabitants of this area a dread of the Israelites that will make these nations of giant men tremble and be in anguish (vs. 25).
So, Moses sends messengers ahead to Sihon asking permission to pass through his land. But Sihon refused this request and came out against the Israelites because the LORD had hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate. The battle ensued with God giving Israel immense victory of all the people of the land of Sihon. They did as God had instructed them, killing ALL men, women, and children. Some think it so harsh and un-God-like for Him to order total extermination. But, if ALL of the people of Sihon were mixed blood with Rephaim, it was best for this people to be destroyed. God hates this mixing of Rephaim blood and human blood. It always is wicked and leads to greater wickedness in the people as a whole.
The Israelites kept the cattle alive and took them as spoil from the cities. From the Arnon River through Gilead all the cities were taken by the Israelites by God's power. And none of the people and land of Ammon was invaded, battled against, or taken at all just as God had forbade them not to do.
In Nu. 13:32 the spies said that the giants in the land eat up the inhabitants of the land. They must have seen this happen to say this.
The accounts of the giants from cultures all over the world show that the giants they encountered had similar characteristics such as: being twice the size of a normal man or more, having double rows of teeth and six fingers on each hand and six fingers on each foot, having red shaggy hair, being cannibalistic, violent, and terrorizing. Yet these giant peoples were overcome and destroyed by large bands of normal size peoples who united to rid their area of them. We do not know if there are still some of these giants still living in some remote areas.
In Genesis 14 and 15 is the account of the wars fought by the kings of the east against the kings of the Dead Sea area in which Lot was taken captive, The text says that the eastern kings smote these peoples named on their way to the Dead Sea coming from the north to south (all extremely large people east of the Jordan River.) There were Amorites west of the Jordan and Ge. 14:13 says that Abraham dwelt with Mamre and his brothers, Aner, and Eschol, Amorites who fought with his men to retrieve Lot and peoples from the Mesopotamian kings.
In Ch. 15 God makes the covenant with/for Abraham, prophesying that Abraham's descendants will go to Egypt and come out in the 4th generation when the sin of the Amorites will be fully grown. God lists the peoples Abrahams descendents will take the in the Exodus. It is unclear how many of these groups were related to the Rephaims, nor if these peoples all intermixed with these extremely large Rephaim descendants, but most likely did to a large extent by the time of the Exodus, thus necessitating the total extermination of all of these peoples including women and children. If they did mix with that of the Rephaims and were internally influenced by the wickedness of the 1st generations of Rephaims after the flood this explains why God determined that those with Rephaim blood needed to be wiped out.
There are accounts of such extremely large humans from all cultures all over the world, some ancient and some more recent. Historians Josephus and Herodotus mentions them being real. Bones of enormous size have been unearthed all over the world, yet many of them have been mysteriously misplaced when given over to people in power. such as the Smithsonian.
I've never imply the angels were equal to God nor needed a Savior, just that they were separate unto God & are holy. Our fellowservants & of our brethen
The rest is your own thoughts, 'your Wow" is of yourself, accusing me what you, yourself are guilt of. Reading too much into what I said.
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I agree with.
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It would be hard for you to call my view heresy, being its the Truth of the Scriptures brought to you by the learning of the letter, which you hold too.
Which you confess you don't believe, what a paradox is that. You don't even believe that which births your own faith.
The rest of 3 is in truth, the very working out of our salvation, 2Cor 10:5 as one exercises this, the discerning between good & evil, one matures from babes to adults. The process is slow, but through the pass 10 yrs I have been delivered their stronghold.
I learnt also through the years that the more I wait in stillness & silence before Him, the better I was empowered to discern & overcome the enemy, they still tempt at times, but God Spirit quickens me to their stratagems. Temptation is not a sin. I deny it, don't own it, its not who I am in Christ.
In the simplicity of my heart & godly care I reach out to caution you in what you are doing, you slighted this godly counsel, given according to the Spirit of the Scriptures. What kind of person are you Gigi to come out with such a response? and then not directed to me, meaning to be received by my email from this site.
The Lord judge between you & I, I give this into His hands.
By the way, I have not yet been born again, baptize by Christ
I'm within the work of regeneration, As I wait before Him in stillness & silence, I have found Him faithful & true, old things are passing away daily, & all things are becoming new, He will finish the work that He Himself has started. This I am assure of
I'm very grateful for His tender mercies towards me.
Deuteronomy takes an aside here in verse 10-12 to mention the Emims (meaning terror or fear) in Moab and the Horims (meaning cave dwellers) in Seir who were giants as the Anakim (meaning long-necked) were, but Moab drove out the Emins and destroyed them and Edomites drove out the Horims and destroyed them long before this time. These two groups of giants were overcome by non-giants. God, through Moses reminds the Israelites of this as they were now in Amorite (meaning prideful, self-exalting talkers) territory, which was a land of giants, too. God tells them to rise up, get over the brook of Zered.
Another aside in this chapter is the mention that the time from Kadesh-barnea with the spies and evil report to this point was 38 years until all of the men of war in that generation was "wasted out" from among the camp of Israelites by the LORD as He promised.
And God spoke to Moses to pass over through Ar on the coast (border) of Moab that very day. God tells them not to distress the people of Ammon because, like Moab, they were the descendants of Lot and cousins. Ammon was north-east of Moab and the Amorites held the land from west border of Ammon to the Jordan river and north of the border of Moab.
Ammon was also a land of giants in the past, called Zamzummin, (meaning murmurers, perhaps as in conjuring of spirits) whom the Ammonites drove out in times before this.
Next is listed the Avims (meaning wicked or perverse men), who dwelled in the area of Gaza who were driven out by the
Caphtors. The Caphtors are believed to be either Egyptians descended from Mizraim (of Ham) or people of Crete who took over the area of Gaza which later was the home of the Philistines.
All of these giant clans were considered to be Rephaim (meaning terrible ones) or Nephilim (meaning fallen ones or feller of men) or Gibborim meaning (giants, men of reknown as Nimrod was called).
The land of Canaan was a land of giants, most likely all-over.
I hope you don't mind if I reply as to what you asked GiGi, "Is anger a sin?
Yes ,it appears to be so according to Scripture: Eph. 4:26-27, Col. 3:8 includes it with wrath, malice, blasphemy, and filthy communication. James 1:19-20, and more.
The word anger is associated with wrath and abundant throughout the OT. It is attributed to God. Should I conclude it is only a sin when we display anger and wrath? Help me out
Yet it seems you were justifying it as a righteous act because it appears that Jesus displayed anger.
I'm not insinuating you are right or wrong; just looking for a clear explanation. I'm probably misunderstanding what's being said.
This journey around Edom is recounted in Numbers Ch. 20-21. After Moses and Aaron had brought water from the rock at Meribah and were reprimanded by God for their unbelief ( Nu. 20:12) telling them that they will not enter the land of promise, they approached Edom to seek safe passage through their land and Edom refused, coming out against them. Aaron dies on Mt. Hor and the battle with King Arad (who may have been a giant like many in Canaan) is fought in Kadesh. This is the area where the spies had surveyed the land 40 years prior noting the giants. The Israelites headed south to the Red Sea at Ezion-geber and then northward gain encircling Mount Seir. This is where the fiery serpents attacked the murmuring Israelites. They ended up at Oboth at the edge of Edom south of the Dead Sea in the Arabah valley. From there they traveled around the east of Edom (because the Edomites would not give them safe passage through their land (which most likely did not have giants).They came across the brook of Zered and into Moab at Ije-abarim. Then they moved to the valley of Zared. From there they went to the northern border of Moab at across the Arnon River. The Amorites lived north of this river. Apparently there were great victories brought about by God in this area. ( Nu. 21:14-15) These battles were recorded in the book of the wars of the LORD.
The Israelites did not disturb Moab ( Dt. 2:9), as the descendants are from Lot, whom God blessed and protected, the Moabites being cousins to Israel. Then they came to Beer, a place where God said He would give them water. The princes of Israel dug and water sprang forth for them. As the princes dug, the people sang, "Spring up , O well, sing ye unto it. So it seems that they needed to show their faith in God by this song sung before or during the digging.
From there they went to Mattanah, Nahahiel, to Bamoth and up Mt. Pisgah. There must have been some tableland on this mount.
Deut. Ch. 2 is recounting the last legs of the travels of the Israelites before they conquer the peoples of the lands of Canaan. They first are instructed to take the lands east of the Jordan River. These are the lands of the Amorites.
From the edges of Canaan in the south God instructs them to travel from Mt. Hor where Aaron dies and circled Mt. Seir many days before God instructed them to travel around the border of Edom going northward, which is the land that Esau and his tribes took from the Horites. God told the Israelites that they are to travel along the border (coast) of Edom and are not to enter Edom or disturb the descendants of Esau dwelling within Edom, since they are descendants of Abraham (and cousins) whom God had given a blessing to in addition to Isaac. God told them that the Edomites would fear the Israelites, so they are to take heed, for God will not give Israel any of the land of Edom since God had given the land of Edom to Esau as a possession. The Israelites could interact with the Edomites to buy food and water (evidently the Manna and water from rocks had ceased. Since God had not ceased to provide for them for 40 years and blessed them so that they lacked no necessity, they now were to buy food and water from the Edomites. So they passed by Edom and headed towards the wilderness of Moab.
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of cords, he drove them out of the temple ......
Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry ......
Romans 14:23 whatsoever is not of faith (of Christ) is sin .....
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even dividing the body and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is the discerner of the thoughts and INTENTS of the HEART.
Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I GIVE YOU, and NEW SPIRIT will I PUT IN YOU ....
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes (maybe become angry) amd keep my judgements (words) and DO THEM.
Wow, Frankie, you read way too much into what I said concerning the holiness of God, which is above and beyond anyone He created, including angels, that is why I said the angels are not separate in holiness as God is. The angles are separate in holiness from mankind because those who remained obedient have been sealed to be holy forever and have never sinned. Mankind is sinful and need a Savior to bring us forgiveness of sins and take them away. Jesus is that Savior. Angels do not need a Savior because they have not sinned (the ones who serve God in obedience) and the ones who sinned have no hope of salvation being condemned.
When I say that God is separate from all of His creation-this is one meaning of Holy-being set apart or distinct. He is the only uncreated being and is perfectly, infinitely righteous and pure. This makes Him separate from anyone created, including angels.
As to your contention concerning our holiness-this topic has been thoroughly discussed in recent threads and I do not agree with your view. But we are free to think on this. You are free to call anyone who doesn't hold your view as espousing heresy. I do not call your view heresy even though it differs from mine. So we can come to the agreement that we differ in this respect. However, most who hold a view that we continue to possess a sinful nature as long as we are living in our present life are emphatic about living holy lives and endeavoring to avoid sin. However, ALL of us sin even after salvation, including you and others who take your view. Have you never been needlessly angry and sharp with another person, thought about someone else judgmentally to find out that you were not correct in your judgment, determined that another person was not following God by the Spirit when you cannot truly know if that is true or not, been distracted in worship with your mind wandering to other things besides the Lord, thought that some coarse thing someone said is funny? These are all sins.
Revelation 12:1 - 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Revelation 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the SUN became black as sackcloth of hair, and the MOON became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth( Revelation 12:3-4), even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (The TAIL of the red dragon rew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth):
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men- 2Peter 3:7).
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great Day of His wrath is come(the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium); and who shall be able to stand?
John 3:34-36
34 - He whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH of GOD abideth on him.
Asking for strong protection and breakthrough for us and all in need. Lord Jesus please fight our battles ( Ex. 14:14). Please grant more strength and encouragement. Please intervene in Israel, Jerusalem and work salvation among both Jews and Palestinians.
Of course He does ! God is the creator and sustainer of all life, the Father of all flesh . Please read the Bible and see just how much you and your children are adored :) . Open your eyes and see God's love all over this , His creation . Never doubt God's love , it is boundless and His mercies are new every day . May God bless you and your children , may He provide for all your daily needs and keep you all safe , through Jesus Christ our Sinless Redeemer , Amen .
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3: 5, 6.
What does it mean to trust in the Lord? Trust is the word frequently used in the old testament to mean the same as faith in the new testament, for example: to trust is to have faith, and if we have faith, we trust. It means to take refuge; to lean on; to follow; to wait . To trust in the Lord is to put full confidence in the word of God for our salvation, and for our strength as Christians, and for our daily needs. We are told not to lean on our own understanding. In other words, we are not to try to rationalize or figure out God's amazing grace, or his power, or the working of miracles, or his work of redemption in our lives; but we are simply to trust in what his word tells us. God honors those who have confidence in his word How can we trust in something with which we are not familiar? How can we claim promises if we do not know what those promises are? This is why it is so important for us to spend so much time in God's word, and in our private meditation, so that we can know what God's word has to say, then we can put our trust in it.
"Trust and do good" Psalm 37: 3-5, In other words, when God has spoken through his written word or through the Holy Spirit in our lives, again, we ought not to try to figure out what is going on in our heart or to rationalize away the working of the Holy Spirit. Instead, we ought to trust God and do good. God's word tells us the things that are good and right. We ought to obey God immediately, with the right heart attitude, when God speaks , and trust God for the results. As we read and study the word of God, and as God reveals himself to us and we see his glory unfolded before our eyes, we ought to delight ourselves in him. He ought to be our prime source of joy
I'm doing alright, it came back some time ago, but I stayed in the power of our Creator and it is subsiding every day. Also he shown me the path I need to take and what work for me is waiting, so focussing on that is my next priority.
I hope you are doing well, may God our Father bless you throughout all your days.
As you asked, (I like you try to keep comment short). I claim to know nothing and when I go to the Bible, I do my best to not take anything with me with my head empty and my ears open. Dan. 10:13 Michael is one of the chief princes, how many there are we have not been told but Michael is the only one who is named, Jude, 1:9 Gabriel may also be an archangel. We have not been told all the hierarchy in heaven but there is only one Jesus who is above all that is in heaven and earth, Matt. 28:18.
Jesus is the only one, the only begotten Son, John 3:16, the king of kings and Lord of Lords Rev. 19:16. All the angels including all the archangels/princes were made to worship Jesus Hebrews 1:6. As the angel told John Rev. 19:10, angels are not worthy of worship. Revelation of Jesus given to Him by God that Jesus signified it by Jesus's angel to His servant John Rev. 1:1. Is Jesus's angel the same as we see in the OT, the angel of the Lord?
Jesus is not one of the archangels, He is the only begotten Son of God whom our Father sent into the world and who shed His blood for us, and only through his blood, we have the forgiveness of our sins.
As humans He created, we cannot attain to His infinite and boundless Holiness, but in Christ we will become perfected in the life to come to have perfect holy humanity without sin any longer. The angels are also holy and without sin, but they are creatures and thus not holy in the sense of being separate
Friend, its not God's holiness that in dispute here, but our inheritance in Christ, now in this life.
The holy, innocent, pure, blameless, unreproachable life of Christ is our inheritance Rom 8:29 becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, the Fruits of His Spirit which against such there is no law, In Christ, the Father withholds nothing of Himself from us, for Luke 12:32
Its is a perfection of holiness that can be added too, as one grows in knowledge & understanding through the appearance of Grace in our hearts 2Cor 4:6,7
It's known, felt, consummated & possess in this life & is rewarded in the next. 2 Timothy 4:7,8
Christ prayer is answered John 17:21-24
Holiness is none other than being engrafted into God, union & oneness with Him in heart, mind & soul, for He along is Holy
This is the greatness of the salvation Christ purchase, that Hebrews declares "ought not to be neglected".
For 1Thessalonians 4:72Thessalonians 2:13,14
G4047 Obtaining: acquisition, possession (the act or the thing); by extension, preservation, peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
Concerning angels Mark 8:28
G40- most holy, consecrated
They are separated, Rev 19:10 "I am thy fellowservant, & of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, worship God"
Your quote is unscriptural,
you are advocating a life of continuous in sin & repentance for life term, there's no fellowship, union or knowing Him in this state according to Scriptures, this teaching becomes a stumbling block to the babes in Christ, Whom God is leading in the Way of holiness, your directly contradicting the teaching of Christ who says deny self & "sin not" & put on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Going to the enemies camp! Go get them...Go and do what the LORD has called You to do.
1 Samuel 30:8
And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Be the voice, Be Christlike, and keeping on Striving. God Bless You all.
discern perceive glimpse catch/get a glimpse of spot,notice,catch sight of,sight make out pick out spy distinguish identify recognize detect note mark clap/lay/set eyes on clock behold descry espy
be or become aware of something from observation or from a written or other visual source.
2.
discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information; understand.
"I can't see any other way to treat it"
3.
experience or witness (an event or situation).
"I shall not live to see it"
4.
meet (someone one knows) socially or by chance.
"I saw Colin last night"
5.
escort or conduct (someone) to a specified place.
"don't bother seeing me out"
6.
ensure.
"Lucy saw to it that everyone got enough to eat"
world, all, made/make, fast, lost (check how many meaning these words have in Hebrew, Greek and English (just need the English definition really) ,give each word its proper meaning in context.
Prodigal son (lost:astray losts ones way)
Word is hid his from those that are lost (lost:parished)
Freda, so good to hear from you again. I will continue to pray for you and thanks for giving us details as to what youor needs are to help us with our prayers.
Dear Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus we ask that You will bring comfort and peace to Contrite heart today and each day when he/she remembers her. his Mom that You allowed to die. Help Contriteheart to work through the grief and loss and keep him/her stayed on You in Christ. Bring ways to ease the pain and uplift Contrite heart in the weeks ahead. Oh Lord, we call on You for all our needs, especially in times of great grief. Amen.
In Deut. 2:24 God calls on the Israelites to rise up and begin to conquer the peoples east of the Jordan after He recounts how the giants were expelled from the area before. He says He will give them Sihon, the giant king of the Amorites, by putting in the oversized inhabitants of this area a dread of the Israelites that will make these nations of giant men tremble and be in anguish (vs. 25).
So, Moses sends messengers ahead to Sihon asking permission to pass through his land. But Sihon refused this request and came out against the Israelites because the LORD had hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate. The battle ensued with God giving Israel immense victory of all the people of the land of Sihon. They did as God had instructed them, killing ALL men, women, and children. Some think it so harsh and un-God-like for Him to order total extermination. But, if ALL of the people of Sihon were mixed blood with Rephaim, it was best for this people to be destroyed. God hates this mixing of Rephaim blood and human blood. It always is wicked and leads to greater wickedness in the people as a whole.
The Israelites kept the cattle alive and took them as spoil from the cities. From the Arnon River through Gilead all the cities were taken by the Israelites by God's power. And none of the people and land of Ammon was invaded, battled against, or taken at all just as God had forbade them not to do.
In Nu. 13:32 the spies said that the giants in the land eat up the inhabitants of the land. They must have seen this happen to say this.
In Ch. 15 God makes the covenant with/for Abraham, prophesying that Abraham's descendants will go to Egypt and come out in the 4th generation when the sin of the Amorites will be fully grown. God lists the peoples Abrahams descendents will take the in the Exodus. It is unclear how many of these groups were related to the Rephaims, nor if these peoples all intermixed with these extremely large Rephaim descendants, but most likely did to a large extent by the time of the Exodus, thus necessitating the total extermination of all of these peoples including women and children. If they did mix with that of the Rephaims and were internally influenced by the wickedness of the 1st generations of Rephaims after the flood this explains why God determined that those with Rephaim blood needed to be wiped out.
There are accounts of such extremely large humans from all cultures all over the world, some ancient and some more recent. Historians Josephus and Herodotus mentions them being real. Bones of enormous size have been unearthed all over the world, yet many of them have been mysteriously misplaced when given over to people in power. such as the Smithsonian.
I've never imply the angels were equal to God nor needed a Savior, just that they were separate unto God & are holy. Our fellowservants & of our brethen
The rest is your own thoughts, 'your Wow" is of yourself, accusing me what you, yourself are guilt of. Reading too much into what I said.
2nd paragraph
I agree with.
3rd paragraph
It would be hard for you to call my view heresy, being its the Truth of the Scriptures brought to you by the learning of the letter, which you hold too.
Which you confess you don't believe, what a paradox is that. You don't even believe that which births your own faith.
The rest of 3 is in truth, the very working out of our salvation, 2Cor 10:5 as one exercises this, the discerning between good & evil, one matures from babes to adults. The process is slow, but through the pass 10 yrs I have been delivered their stronghold.
I learnt also through the years that the more I wait in stillness & silence before Him, the better I was empowered to discern & overcome the enemy, they still tempt at times, but God Spirit quickens me to their stratagems. Temptation is not a sin. I deny it, don't own it, its not who I am in Christ.
In the simplicity of my heart & godly care I reach out to caution you in what you are doing, you slighted this godly counsel, given according to the Spirit of the Scriptures. What kind of person are you Gigi to come out with such a response? and then not directed to me, meaning to be received by my email from this site.
The Lord judge between you & I, I give this into His hands.
By the way, I have not yet been born again, baptize by Christ
I'm within the work of regeneration, As I wait before Him in stillness & silence, I have found Him faithful & true, old things are passing away daily, & all things are becoming new, He will finish the work that He Himself has started. This I am assure of
I'm very grateful for His tender mercies towards me.
JESUS said: John 10:7-9
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, ...
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Another aside in this chapter is the mention that the time from Kadesh-barnea with the spies and evil report to this point was 38 years until all of the men of war in that generation was "wasted out" from among the camp of Israelites by the LORD as He promised.
And God spoke to Moses to pass over through Ar on the coast (border) of Moab that very day. God tells them not to distress the people of Ammon because, like Moab, they were the descendants of Lot and cousins. Ammon was north-east of Moab and the Amorites held the land from west border of Ammon to the Jordan river and north of the border of Moab.
Ammon was also a land of giants in the past, called Zamzummin, (meaning murmurers, perhaps as in conjuring of spirits) whom the Ammonites drove out in times before this.
Next is listed the Avims (meaning wicked or perverse men), who dwelled in the area of Gaza who were driven out by the
Caphtors. The Caphtors are believed to be either Egyptians descended from Mizraim (of Ham) or people of Crete who took over the area of Gaza which later was the home of the Philistines.
All of these giant clans were considered to be Rephaim (meaning terrible ones) or Nephilim (meaning fallen ones or feller of men) or Gibborim meaning (giants, men of reknown as Nimrod was called).
The land of Canaan was a land of giants, most likely all-over.
I hope you don't mind if I reply as to what you asked GiGi, "Is anger a sin?
Yes ,it appears to be so according to Scripture: Eph. 4:26-27, Col. 3:8 includes it with wrath, malice, blasphemy, and filthy communication. James 1:19-20, and more.
The word anger is associated with wrath and abundant throughout the OT. It is attributed to God. Should I conclude it is only a sin when we display anger and wrath? Help me out
Yet it seems you were justifying it as a righteous act because it appears that Jesus displayed anger.
I'm not insinuating you are right or wrong; just looking for a clear explanation. I'm probably misunderstanding what's being said.
Thank you in peace.
This journey around Edom is recounted in Numbers Ch. 20-21. After Moses and Aaron had brought water from the rock at Meribah and were reprimanded by God for their unbelief ( Nu. 20:12) telling them that they will not enter the land of promise, they approached Edom to seek safe passage through their land and Edom refused, coming out against them. Aaron dies on Mt. Hor and the battle with King Arad (who may have been a giant like many in Canaan) is fought in Kadesh. This is the area where the spies had surveyed the land 40 years prior noting the giants. The Israelites headed south to the Red Sea at Ezion-geber and then northward gain encircling Mount Seir. This is where the fiery serpents attacked the murmuring Israelites. They ended up at Oboth at the edge of Edom south of the Dead Sea in the Arabah valley. From there they traveled around the east of Edom (because the Edomites would not give them safe passage through their land (which most likely did not have giants).They came across the brook of Zered and into Moab at Ije-abarim. Then they moved to the valley of Zared. From there they went to the northern border of Moab at across the Arnon River. The Amorites lived north of this river. Apparently there were great victories brought about by God in this area. ( Nu. 21:14-15) These battles were recorded in the book of the wars of the LORD.
The Israelites did not disturb Moab ( Dt. 2:9), as the descendants are from Lot, whom God blessed and protected, the Moabites being cousins to Israel. Then they came to Beer, a place where God said He would give them water. The princes of Israel dug and water sprang forth for them. As the princes dug, the people sang, "Spring up , O well, sing ye unto it. So it seems that they needed to show their faith in God by this song sung before or during the digging.
From there they went to Mattanah, Nahahiel, to Bamoth and up Mt. Pisgah. There must have been some tableland on this mount.
From the edges of Canaan in the south God instructs them to travel from Mt. Hor where Aaron dies and circled Mt. Seir many days before God instructed them to travel around the border of Edom going northward, which is the land that Esau and his tribes took from the Horites. God told the Israelites that they are to travel along the border (coast) of Edom and are not to enter Edom or disturb the descendants of Esau dwelling within Edom, since they are descendants of Abraham (and cousins) whom God had given a blessing to in addition to Isaac. God told them that the Edomites would fear the Israelites, so they are to take heed, for God will not give Israel any of the land of Edom since God had given the land of Edom to Esau as a possession. The Israelites could interact with the Edomites to buy food and water (evidently the Manna and water from rocks had ceased. Since God had not ceased to provide for them for 40 years and blessed them so that they lacked no necessity, they now were to buy food and water from the Edomites. So they passed by Edom and headed towards the wilderness of Moab.
Is anger a sin?
Did Christ every get angry.
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of cords, he drove them out of the temple ......
Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry ......
Romans 14:23 whatsoever is not of faith (of Christ) is sin .....
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even dividing the body and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is the discerner of the thoughts and INTENTS of the HEART.
Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I GIVE YOU, and NEW SPIRIT will I PUT IN YOU ....
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes (maybe become angry) amd keep my judgements (words) and DO THEM.
God BLESS YOU!
When I say that God is separate from all of His creation-this is one meaning of Holy-being set apart or distinct. He is the only uncreated being and is perfectly, infinitely righteous and pure. This makes Him separate from anyone created, including angels.
As to your contention concerning our holiness-this topic has been thoroughly discussed in recent threads and I do not agree with your view. But we are free to think on this. You are free to call anyone who doesn't hold your view as espousing heresy. I do not call your view heresy even though it differs from mine. So we can come to the agreement that we differ in this respect. However, most who hold a view that we continue to possess a sinful nature as long as we are living in our present life are emphatic about living holy lives and endeavoring to avoid sin. However, ALL of us sin even after salvation, including you and others who take your view. Have you never been needlessly angry and sharp with another person, thought about someone else judgmentally to find out that you were not correct in your judgment, determined that another person was not following God by the Spirit when you cannot truly know if that is true or not, been distracted in worship with your mind wandering to other things besides the Lord, thought that some coarse thing someone said is funny? These are all sins.
Can truth be figurative or is truth alway literal taught by things that are symbolic (figurative) of truth.
John 14:6 ...I am TRUTH ....
Is not TRUTH always literal.
Christ is TRUTH, so is Christ sometime figurative or ALWAYS literal.
God BLESS YOU!
Revelation 12:1 - 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Revelation 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the SUN became black as sackcloth of hair, and the MOON became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth( Revelation 12:3-4), even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (The TAIL of the red dragon rew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth):
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men- 2Peter 3:7).
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great Day of His wrath is come(the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium); and who shall be able to stand?
John 3:34-36
34 - He whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH of GOD abideth on him.
Get ready
Only Trust Him
By: Robert A. Searles
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3: 5, 6.
What does it mean to trust in the Lord? Trust is the word frequently used in the old testament to mean the same as faith in the new testament, for example: to trust is to have faith, and if we have faith, we trust. It means to take refuge; to lean on; to follow; to wait . To trust in the Lord is to put full confidence in the word of God for our salvation, and for our strength as Christians, and for our daily needs. We are told not to lean on our own understanding. In other words, we are not to try to rationalize or figure out God's amazing grace, or his power, or the working of miracles, or his work of redemption in our lives; but we are simply to trust in what his word tells us. God honors those who have confidence in his word How can we trust in something with which we are not familiar? How can we claim promises if we do not know what those promises are? This is why it is so important for us to spend so much time in God's word, and in our private meditation, so that we can know what God's word has to say, then we can put our trust in it.
"Trust and do good" Psalm 37: 3-5, In other words, when God has spoken through his written word or through the Holy Spirit in our lives, again, we ought not to try to figure out what is going on in our heart or to rationalize away the working of the Holy Spirit. Instead, we ought to trust God and do good. God's word tells us the things that are good and right. We ought to obey God immediately, with the right heart attitude, when God speaks , and trust God for the results. As we read and study the word of God, and as God reveals himself to us and we see his glory unfolded before our eyes, we ought to delight ourselves in him. He ought to be our prime source of joy
Thank you for your kind message.
I'm doing alright, it came back some time ago, but I stayed in the power of our Creator and it is subsiding every day. Also he shown me the path I need to take and what work for me is waiting, so focussing on that is my next priority.
I hope you are doing well, may God our Father bless you throughout all your days.
With love,
Ronald
As you asked, (I like you try to keep comment short). I claim to know nothing and when I go to the Bible, I do my best to not take anything with me with my head empty and my ears open. Dan. 10:13 Michael is one of the chief princes, how many there are we have not been told but Michael is the only one who is named, Jude, 1:9 Gabriel may also be an archangel. We have not been told all the hierarchy in heaven but there is only one Jesus who is above all that is in heaven and earth, Matt. 28:18.
Jesus is the only one, the only begotten Son, John 3:16, the king of kings and Lord of Lords Rev. 19:16. All the angels including all the archangels/princes were made to worship Jesus Hebrews 1:6. As the angel told John Rev. 19:10, angels are not worthy of worship. Revelation of Jesus given to Him by God that Jesus signified it by Jesus's angel to His servant John Rev. 1:1. Is Jesus's angel the same as we see in the OT, the angel of the Lord?
Jesus is not one of the archangels, He is the only begotten Son of God whom our Father sent into the world and who shed His blood for us, and only through his blood, we have the forgiveness of our sins.
God bless,
RLW
As humans He created, we cannot attain to His infinite and boundless Holiness, but in Christ we will become perfected in the life to come to have perfect holy humanity without sin any longer. The angels are also holy and without sin, but they are creatures and thus not holy in the sense of being separate
Friend, its not God's holiness that in dispute here, but our inheritance in Christ, now in this life.
The holy, innocent, pure, blameless, unreproachable life of Christ is our inheritance Rom 8:29 becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, the Fruits of His Spirit which against such there is no law, In Christ, the Father withholds nothing of Himself from us, for Luke 12:32
Its is a perfection of holiness that can be added too, as one grows in knowledge & understanding through the appearance of Grace in our hearts 2Cor 4:6,7
It's known, felt, consummated & possess in this life & is rewarded in the next. 2 Timothy 4:7,8
Christ prayer is answered John 17:21-24
Holiness is none other than being engrafted into God, union & oneness with Him in heart, mind & soul, for He along is Holy
This is the greatness of the salvation Christ purchase, that Hebrews declares "ought not to be neglected".
For 1Thessalonians 4:7 2Thessalonians 2:13,14
G4047 Obtaining: acquisition, possession (the act or the thing); by extension, preservation, peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
Concerning angels Mark 8:28
G40- most holy, consecrated
They are separated, Rev 19:10 "I am thy fellowservant, & of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, worship God"
Your quote is unscriptural,
you are advocating a life of continuous in sin & repentance for life term, there's no fellowship, union or knowing Him in this state according to Scriptures, this teaching becomes a stumbling block to the babes in Christ, Whom God is leading in the Way of holiness, your directly contradicting the teaching of Christ who says deny self & "sin not" & put on the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Samuel 30:8
And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Be the voice, Be Christlike, and keeping on Striving. God Bless You all.
1.
perceive with the eyes; discern visually.
"in the distance she could see the blue sea"
Similar:
discern perceive glimpse catch/get a glimpse of spot,notice,catch sight of,sight make out pick out spy distinguish identify recognize detect note mark clap/lay/set eyes on clock behold descry espy
be or become aware of something from observation or from a written or other visual source.
2.
discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information; understand.
"I can't see any other way to treat it"
3.
experience or witness (an event or situation).
"I shall not live to see it"
4.
meet (someone one knows) socially or by chance.
"I saw Colin last night"
5.
escort or conduct (someone) to a specified place.
"don't bother seeing me out"
6.
ensure.
"Lucy saw to it that everyone got enough to eat"
world, all, made/make, fast, lost (check how many meaning these words have in Hebrew, Greek and English (just need the English definition really) ,give each word its proper meaning in context.
Prodigal son (lost:astray losts ones way)
Word is hid his from those that are lost (lost:parished)
Your perspective is good to hear and it causes me to think deeply on the topic being presented.