Hello Richard, not to "argue", but the false "peace narrative" you spoke of concerning the tribulation is not biblical. There is no anti-christ peace treaty made with Israel. This teaching, as popular as it is, appears nowhere in scripture, and by the way, neither does a "seven year" tribulation. Tribulation yes, but nowhere is it seven years.
Isaiah gives us the sure foundation on which the House of Prayer for all nations shall be built. "Therefore thus saith the LordGod, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste."(Is.28:16) For those who are called and who abide in his Son need have no fear but rest in His promises. By rejecting the Prince of peace and in their pride 'drunkards of Ephraim) they have taken a covenant with death.
Finally we have another reference to the judgment by line and plummet in the word "forever". The Spirit recalls God's promises to King Solomon when he appeared to him second time in Gibeon. "And he set a graven image of the grove that he had made in the house, of which theLordsaid to David, and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever: (v.7)
Compare the above with this promise to King Solomon,"to put my name there forever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
Zerubabbel, a descendant of the royal line of David laying the foundation on the ruins of the temple destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar, serves as a stand in for Jesus Christ. "The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that theLordof hosts hath sent me unto you." (Ze.4:9). As with swords and plough shires plumb-line and plummet are symbolic of the work of Jesus Christ as the author and finisher of our faith.
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."Let us walk in the light of the Lord."
"Who art thou, O great mountain?" The Spirit uses the emblem of mountain to set to connect the mountain and the rock cut not with hands. (Dan.2:44)
I don't think brother that any greek person understands that word as "persuation". It actually comes etymologically from the verb "peitho" which means "persuade, convince", but as I said nobody here understands it with such meaning.
When this word is applied to a person or God, ie "pistos", it means faithful, trustworthy.
The opposite to "pistis" is "apistia". This word is found in Hebrews 3:12, "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief (apistia), in departing from the living God.". So you see here the KJV rightly translates it as unbelief, not lack of faith.
Definition of the grk word "pistis" (Eng. faith) I found on the net:
1. wiki - faith, trust and reliability
2.Oxford University, Faculty of Classics - Modern understandings of faith depend heavily on Augustine of Hippo, who defines it (De trin. 13.2.5) as fides quae and fides qua, belief in the body of Christian doctrine and the faith which takes place in the heart and mind of the believer. In 2015 I published Roman Faith and Christian Faith, which argues that the earliest Christians understood pistis/fides very differently. Faith was a relationship of trust and faithfulness between God and human beings, which also shaped relationships between human beings, the authority structure of churches, and the way Christians imagined the kingdom of heaven. Christians were unique in putting trust at the heart of their relationship with God and Christ, but their understanding and practice of pistis/fides were continuous with those of contemporary Greeks, Romans and Jews. -
3. Liberty University, (I don't know which uni is this, but it is a University). - The Meaning of Pistis according to Greek Lexicons and NT Usage BDAG, considered the best Greek lexicon for NT scholarly study, gives three basic categories of meanings for pistis in the NT and early Christian literature: (1) "that which evokes trust and faith," such as "faithfulness" and "fidelity" (BDAG cites six NT passages with this specific meaning); (2) "believing on the basis of the reliability of the one trusted," meaning "trust" or "confidence" or "faith" (more than 180 NT passages are cited with this meaning, almost all of which refer to faith in God, Christ, the Gospel, or God's promises-this is by far the dominant meaning of pistis in the NT according to BDAG); and (3) "that which is believed"-the body of faith or belief (thirteen passages are cited with this meaning). -
Well Spencer on the internet one can find many definitions of the word "pistis" (faith) apart from Strong's concordance.
What is literal Jerusalem? The city of David. By rejecting the prince of peace the Jews chose the path unto desolation. Jesus predicted over the manifold sins committed by the chosen people of God and at the end he observed, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate".(Matt.23:38)
Now comes the measurement with which Israel shall be measured. "Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place."(Is.28:17)' God is referring to the line and plummet mentioned in the Second Book of the Kings.
Now we shall consider these verses, "And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies;/Because they have done that which was evil in my sight, and have provoked me to anger, since the day their fathers came forth out of Egypt, even unto this day."
Notice the phrase 'even unto this day' at the end vv.14-15.? The Spirit clearly lays out how we should read the warning. It is with regards to Jesus Christ who is line and plummet. This single measurement is that of an angel, that is of man. "And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."(Re.21: 17)
"From generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever./But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness."(Is.34:10-11) This was predicted by Isaiah. This is how we shall see till God steps in.
Over Manasseh's idolatries God had this warning,"Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, Iambringingsuchevil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle." (2 Ki.21:12-14). As long as their sins remained unconfessed and left it was one continuous stroke which came in many waves. In the generation of Jesus we have had the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. How can one say the present Jerusalem is a proof of God's favor to His people? "And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies;"( v.14)
Jerusalem in His sight is still like a dish upside down. God has no use for it. Let us examine the exact words of His curse."And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem asa manwipeth a dish, wipingit, and turningitupside down."(2 Ki.21:13) Compare the inaugural vision shown to young Jeremiah. Here it is dish laid on the table upside down. A clear sign 'no service!' God implies that it is New Jerusalem that He has in mind. Is.2 refers to it. "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of theLord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it."(Is.2:2-4)
The city of Jerusalem as of old is finished. "All nations shall flow unto it." It is an universal call and first made to Abraham. Those who are called ought to flow into it. If so what was this noise of tumult and hubbub in 1947? How can you bring to life a dead horse? God judged Jerusalem as He did Egypt and Sodom. Spiritually the life is zero since God has rejected them. "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified"(Re.11:8)
Notice here in John 4:9 the Samaritan woman at the well calls him a Jew
"Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans".
Again, Listen to Jesus here in John 4:22 "Ye worship ye know not what: WE know what WE worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
By the way, You might want to read and study scripture for yourself. These questions and answer forums can sometimes be a help but sometimes can be confusing.
Lets look to the Spirit which inspired the Holy Scriptures for our understanding of them. 1Cor 2:13
1John 2:1,2 He calls them little children, because they're still sinning, then commands them to sin not & if they do in the progresses work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus in their conformity to Christ, they have an Advocate with the Father. He then leads the children ever so gently 1John 2:3-6 distinguishing how to know if we know Him, who is True & its by those who "Keep His commandments" & those who do not is a liar & to those who do Keep His commandments, in them verily is the love of God perfected in them, "to walk even as He walk" that would be without sin!
1John 3:2,3 does this not say all that has this hope, we will be like Him, pure as He is pure
1John 3:4,5 how can we be in Him & continue to sin in the least, in Whom there is no darkness at all
1John 5:18 What does this implies, except that they don't sin.
Rom 6:1,2,6, it speaks expressively the intent of God's heart. Holy Spirit seals it by repeats in twice
Rom 6:12-15 if one sins in the least, the devil is still a prince & has dominion over him.
Jesse,
Adam was created in God image & likeness, sinless, this we all acknowledge
When he sinned, he became a degenerative plant & God cast him out of His Presence. Look at what appears to be just a small thing in our human thoughts, "partaking of the forbidden fruit". "disobedience to God's commandment" Which has brought all the misery that humanity has experience since then to this day.
If one is born again & is a new creature in Christ Hebrews 10:10,28,29 sanctified once & for all,{past tense}
Col 1:22 & then sin, would that not plunges us back into the condition of Adam's' transgression?
In the Spirit of these Scriptures,
I tell you that he that is born again does not sin & he that is born again does not practice sin means the same thing.
Brother, I will try to explain in a few words the Biblical Chronology
Based in the Word of God, on GOD's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).
According biblical Chronology, starting by Genesis 5, as follow:
Adam lived .....................130 yrs and begat Seth
Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of GOD,Let us study the times until our days by the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD.So,see the timetable below:
SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ------------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood-( Genesis 5)--------------1656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-( Genesis 11&12)-----427years
III - From Abraham to Exodus-(Gal.3:17)--------------430 years
IV-From Exodus to king Saul-(1Reis6:1(480-84)-------396 years
V -From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem -------------------508 years
VI -From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus -----------------587 years
Thus,from Adam to the 1stcoming of Jesus ---------4004years
From Jesus to our days(Christian Calendar)----------2023years
Total from Adam to our days --------------------------6027years
So,we are living in the beginning of the seventh millennium
What does the Word of GOD say? 2Peter 3:8 - 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.
So, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?
We should know that 6000 years after Adam are pointing midnight at GOD's clock, so it is the turn from the sixth to the seventh Day, and Day of GOD's rest, so it is the END of the sixth and beginning of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. But actually have already passed around 23 years, something like minites at GOD's clock.
Wake up, be careful, and get ready - Matthew 25:6. Take a look.
Lord JESUS will return in the day 1335 of this current millennium according the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, self-executing.
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand- Daniel 12:10.
If the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 1 Corinthians 14:8
Yes I also believe that the true Sabbath is to come , it's the 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth , it seems so close now :) . Like everyone I'm mortified by the horrific bloodshed in the middle East but it does seem as if there's worse to come . Zechariah talks a lot about this , fearful sights in the sky ( rockets ? mushroom clouds ? ) . I believe we Christians will be on earth to witness all these things , I'm not dogmatic about it , I'm willing to say I could be wrong , if there is a pre trib rapture then it seems that we might need to start putting our houses in order and getting our coats and shoes on ! How does everyone else feel about recent events ? I'm going to say something controversial now.....I can hardly contain my excitement , my heart is at bursting point and I'm talking to all my family and friends about the return of Christ . I feel so sad and distressed by the bloodshed but my over riding emotion is excitement and joy . I know that sounds awful but I really can't help it , I can't stop smiling and talking about Christ . I have to consciously reign myself in ! What do others think / feel ?
I think the 1,000 years will be the seventh day. It will be the sabbath rest of creation. Thinking we are still in the sixth day. No way to "prove" any of that of course, it is conjecture when it comes to that reasoning.
As good as the KJV is, the New Testament is still a translation of the original Greek.
The words translated everlasting, eternal, forever, and world; in a few places, would more correctly have been translated AGE, or for the AGE, or of the age.
So, although time does not really exist, God does all his WORK in AGES, now and those to come.
Christ is IMMORTAL LIFE, in all AGES, there is yet more to come.
Ephesians 2:7 .... that in the ages to come .....
Same Greek work translated other places as eternal, everlasting, forever, world in some places.
If I am incorrect, perhaps our brother in Greece, brother Giannis, will give us a correct translation.
Current events should be studied in light of Psalm 83 which although was reflected in the war of 1948 in particular and other past conflicts it is perhaps most applicable to today; when each of the factions in the surrounding nations in a sort of coalition or cooperative effort are going to be; it seems conquered in shot order by Israel. This would include territory and terrorists in Syria; Lebanon; the Golan Heights; Gaza and all other factions. This is necessary for the Ezekiel 38 war to take place where Israel feels secure with unwalled villages which clearly is NOT and has not been the situation up until now in its history. Notice for now the surrounding nations are using proxies and integrated militants within their borders rather than massing tanks or troops for a national invasion which will take place with Iran; Russia; Turkey and the confederacy coming for spoil in the Ezekiel 38 conflict.
It sadly will take until the end of the Tribulation when Jerusalem has half of the city taken along with rapes like has happened now and in most wars in the past. The third that is refined in the fire will endure to the end; two thirds of Israel will perish before they finally realize who Christ is and the nation will weep by themselves in their own families. Then God will fight for Israel and the people themselves will have the final conquest along with the returning saints who rule and reign with Christ with a rod of iron upon His return in Revelation 19.
No doubt there are trying times ahead; and we won't even see the Tribulation begin without a false peace narrative even stronger than present once Antichrist is revealed; but likely some time after this conflict and other conflagrations for life to seem to go back to some sense of normal for Christ to return when we don't expect like the time of Noah when people were buying; selling; marrying; etc. Don't be surprised if it is still at least a few years until the Rapture therefore; many will fall away.
I believe we all agree on what you have shared " The doubt and conscience of the person causes him to sin being that he thinks eating meat ect as a sin, However, "so he's not persuaded of and by the grace of God imputed to him.
I would be cautious to interpret faith that way, when I look up faith in the strongs it says persuasion, That Parallels with Ephesians 2:8-9.
If I translated it as belief, "then that which I believe in is persuaded by God.
However simply believing in something doesn't always work out being that one can be wrong and I doubt God persuaded that.
I was emphasizing that those who believe you can live a perfect life in this body they might want to consider that verse.
JESUS left so clear, saying: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:18
So, in this current millennium, the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day, all things in whole world are under JESUS's control, nothing random happens, understand?
Matthew 25:31-34 and 41&46
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels(true believers- Luke 20:35-36.Take a look) with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another(this will be literally be fulfilled from now on), as a shepherd divideth His sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the KINGDOM prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ( Revelation 11:15-18. Take a look.)
41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his angels(messengers):
46 And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: but the righteous into life ETERNAL.
The EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT was previously determined to start in this current time, precisely in this beginning of the seventh and last millennium, so it will NEVER END from now on, it's for EVER.
When ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the DESOLATION thereof is nigh. Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in these days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and WRATH upon the people. These are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory- Luke 21:26-27.
Giannis, thanks for the updated information. I know that the Muslims believe Muhammed ascended from the temple mount. I had heard of their version of the lineage going through iIshmael not Isaac, and that the dome of the rock as the place of Abraham's sacrifice. So I mispoke. Thanks for the clarification.
You wrote, " ... the Mosque on the Dome of the Rock. This was to intentionally desecrate the most holy site of the Jews"
Not really. The muslims like the Jews and christians believe in the OT but with a very important difference. They consider God's blessing and promise to Abraham goes down the line of Ishmael and hence to the Arabs who come from him.
The Temple of Solomon was said to have been built on the mountain (a hill or a rock actually) where Abraham was to sacrifice Isaac. The Holy of the Hollies, the most sacred part of that temple is said to be exactlly at the point were Abraham prepared the altar for the sacrifice of his son. The Arabs, although they wrongly believe that the promise went down to Ishmael, still honor Abraham and Isaac. So when they built the Mosque of the Dome, they built it exactly where the Temple of Solomon was located (before the Romans destroyed it). Inside the mosque there is nothing else but a place which is fenced. That place is just a natural land, where they claim it was the place of the Holy of the Holies and where the sacrifice was to take place. So they didn't built that mosque in order to desecrate the Jewish Temple but actually to honor Abraham and Isaac. Just for information.
Don't misunderstand whay I said. When I say that to him only it is a sin, I mean that it is not a sin but in his conscience it is considered a sin. God will not damn him, because he wrongly believes it is a sin, but he damns himself (wrongly)
And something else. In greek faith and belief is the same word. So for better understanding of that verse, substitute the word faith with the word belief.
My understanding of that verse may differ from others'.
First lets consider what the specific passage is about. It is about those christians who may consider as a sin something which is not really a sin, like say eating meat, like celebrating a specific day like Sabbath, etc, but to them it is considered as a sin. And Paul ends up saying that everything that does not originate from one's faith is sin, which means that something which in accordance to one's faith is sin then to him (and only to him) it is a sin. That is why Paul says, " And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." In general that means that if one eats meat which he considers as a sin, then in his conscience he damns himself because he sins according to his faith, so eating meat is not right in his faith, it is not of his faith or from his faith (of right and wrong).
The problem with the question of eternal security lies in having NO KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD.
If one deeply studies the PROPHECIES, one will see that at some point in the ages to come all the tribes of Israel are going to once again exit.
BUT, in this AGE he is ONLY calling out the PREISTHOOD, the house of David, the kind of firstfruits as is the tribe of Judah, lawgivers that will rule and reign and serve him when he resurrects all the DEAD back to there bodies of flesh and blood.
If one studies under the spirit of truth, you find these prophecies in the blessings of Israel to his twelve sons, from the beginning the tribe of Judah was CHOSEN to be God's lawgiver. The blessing on the remaining tribes will be fulfilled after all the lawgivers are put in place.
Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zachariah, and Revelation all prophesy ONLY a PART will be save in this age, one third (probably symbolic) since other prophecies seem to say ONE TENTH, the tithe to God, those without blemish being sacrificed with Christ on HIS CROSS.
You find this in the blessings of Jacob and Esau.
Hebrews 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau CONCERNING THINGS TO COME.
There are TWO DEATHS, TWO RESURRECTION and TWO JUDGEMENTS,
The first death and resurrection is those SAVED in this AGE, the ones Christ CAUSES TO BELIEVE in this AGE, they are being judged by the words of God.
1 Timothy 4:10 ... who is the SAVIOUR of ALL MEN (not necessarily in this AGE), especially THOSE (in this AGE) that BELIEVE.
Isaiah 6:13 But yet in it (the land) shall be a tenth, and it (the tenth) shall be eaten (same as Christ is eaten, eat the words and digest them) as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance (CHRIST) IS IN THEM, when they cast their leaves (administer judgement), so the HOLY SEED shall be the substance thereof.
Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (those conformed to the image of Christ) SHALL COME upon Mt, Zion to JUDGE the house of ESAU
Finally we have another reference to the judgment by line and plummet in the word "forever". The Spirit recalls God's promises to King Solomon when he appeared to him second time in Gibeon. "And he set a graven image of the grove that he had made in the house, of which theLordsaid to David, and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever: (v.7)
Compare the above with this promise to King Solomon,"to put my name there forever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
Zerubabbel, a descendant of the royal line of David laying the foundation on the ruins of the temple destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar, serves as a stand in for Jesus Christ. "The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that theLordof hosts hath sent me unto you." (Ze.4:9). As with swords and plough shires plumb-line and plummet are symbolic of the work of Jesus Christ as the author and finisher of our faith.
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."Let us walk in the light of the Lord."
"Who art thou, O great mountain?" The Spirit uses the emblem of mountain to set to connect the mountain and the rock cut not with hands. (Dan.2:44)
I don't think brother that any greek person understands that word as "persuation". It actually comes etymologically from the verb "peitho" which means "persuade, convince", but as I said nobody here understands it with such meaning.
When this word is applied to a person or God, ie "pistos", it means faithful, trustworthy.
The opposite to "pistis" is "apistia". This word is found in Hebrews 3:12, "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief (apistia), in departing from the living God.". So you see here the KJV rightly translates it as unbelief, not lack of faith.
Definition of the grk word "pistis" (Eng. faith) I found on the net:
1. wiki - faith, trust and reliability
2.Oxford University, Faculty of Classics - Modern understandings of faith depend heavily on Augustine of Hippo, who defines it (De trin. 13.2.5) as fides quae and fides qua, belief in the body of Christian doctrine and the faith which takes place in the heart and mind of the believer. In 2015 I published Roman Faith and Christian Faith, which argues that the earliest Christians understood pistis/fides very differently. Faith was a relationship of trust and faithfulness between God and human beings, which also shaped relationships between human beings, the authority structure of churches, and the way Christians imagined the kingdom of heaven. Christians were unique in putting trust at the heart of their relationship with God and Christ, but their understanding and practice of pistis/fides were continuous with those of contemporary Greeks, Romans and Jews. -
3. Liberty University, (I don't know which uni is this, but it is a University). - The Meaning of Pistis according to Greek Lexicons and NT Usage BDAG, considered the best Greek lexicon for NT scholarly study, gives three basic categories of meanings for pistis in the NT and early Christian literature: (1) "that which evokes trust and faith," such as "faithfulness" and "fidelity" (BDAG cites six NT passages with this specific meaning); (2) "believing on the basis of the reliability of the one trusted," meaning "trust" or "confidence" or "faith" (more than 180 NT passages are cited with this meaning, almost all of which refer to faith in God, Christ, the Gospel, or God's promises-this is by far the dominant meaning of pistis in the NT according to BDAG); and (3) "that which is believed"-the body of faith or belief (thirteen passages are cited with this meaning). -
Well Spencer on the internet one can find many definitions of the word "pistis" (faith) apart from Strong's concordance.
Now comes the measurement with which Israel shall be measured. "Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place."(Is.28:17)' God is referring to the line and plummet mentioned in the Second Book of the Kings.
Now we shall consider these verses, "And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies;/Because they have done that which was evil in my sight, and have provoked me to anger, since the day their fathers came forth out of Egypt, even unto this day."
Notice the phrase 'even unto this day' at the end vv.14-15.? The Spirit clearly lays out how we should read the warning. It is with regards to Jesus Christ who is line and plummet. This single measurement is that of an angel, that is of man. "And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."(Re.21: 17)
"From generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever./But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness."(Is.34:10-11) This was predicted by Isaiah. This is how we shall see till God steps in.
Jerusalem in His sight is still like a dish upside down. God has no use for it. Let us examine the exact words of His curse."And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem asa manwipeth a dish, wipingit, and turningitupside down."(2 Ki.21:13) Compare the inaugural vision shown to young Jeremiah. Here it is dish laid on the table upside down. A clear sign 'no service!' God implies that it is New Jerusalem that He has in mind. Is.2 refers to it. "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of theLord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it."(Is.2:2-4)
The city of Jerusalem as of old is finished. "All nations shall flow unto it." It is an universal call and first made to Abraham. Those who are called ought to flow into it. If so what was this noise of tumult and hubbub in 1947? How can you bring to life a dead horse? God judged Jerusalem as He did Egypt and Sodom. Spiritually the life is zero since God has rejected them. "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified"(Re.11:8)
Yes, Jesus is a Jew and much more.
He's in the lineage of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
This is shown throughout the bible.
Notice here in John 4:9 the Samaritan woman at the well calls him a Jew
"Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans".
Again, Listen to Jesus here in John 4:22 "Ye worship ye know not what: WE know what WE worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
By the way, You might want to read and study scripture for yourself. These questions and answer forums can sometimes be a help but sometimes can be confusing.
I hope this helps.
God bless.
Lets look to the Spirit which inspired the Holy Scriptures for our understanding of them. 1Cor 2:13
1John 2:1,2 He calls them little children, because they're still sinning, then commands them to sin not & if they do in the progresses work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus in their conformity to Christ, they have an Advocate with the Father. He then leads the children ever so gently 1John 2:3-6 distinguishing how to know if we know Him, who is True & its by those who "Keep His commandments" & those who do not is a liar & to those who do Keep His commandments, in them verily is the love of God perfected in them, "to walk even as He walk" that would be without sin!
1John 3:2,3 does this not say all that has this hope, we will be like Him, pure as He is pure
1John 3:4,5 how can we be in Him & continue to sin in the least, in Whom there is no darkness at all
1John 5:18 What does this implies, except that they don't sin.
Rom 6:1,2,6, it speaks expressively the intent of God's heart. Holy Spirit seals it by repeats in twice
Rom 6:12-15 if one sins in the least, the devil is still a prince & has dominion over him.
Jesse,
Adam was created in God image & likeness, sinless, this we all acknowledge
When he sinned, he became a degenerative plant & God cast him out of His Presence. Look at what appears to be just a small thing in our human thoughts, "partaking of the forbidden fruit". "disobedience to God's commandment" Which has brought all the misery that humanity has experience since then to this day.
If one is born again & is a new creature in Christ Hebrews 10:10,28,29 sanctified once & for all,{past tense}
Col 1:22 & then sin, would that not plunges us back into the condition of Adam's' transgression?
In the Spirit of these Scriptures,
I tell you that he that is born again does not sin & he that is born again does not practice sin means the same thing.
a answer on Rom 8:9 will be forth coming.
Brother, I will try to explain in a few words the Biblical Chronology
Based in the Word of God, on GOD's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).
According biblical Chronology, starting by Genesis 5, as follow:
Adam lived .....................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived .....105 yrsand begatEnosh;
Enosh lived .........................90yrsand begatKenan;
Kenanlived..........................70yrsand begatMahalalel;
Mahalalellived .....................65yrsand begatJared;
Jaredlived .........................162yrs and begatEnoch;
Enochlived ..........................65yrsand begatMethuselah;
Methuselahlived..................187yrsand begatLamech;
Lamechlived.......................182yrsand begatNoah;
FromNoahs birthuntilthe Flood....600 yrs.
Total of years fromAdam tothe Flood = 1656 yrs
Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of GOD,Let us study the times until our days by the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD.So,see the timetable below:
SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ------------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood-( Genesis 5)--------------1656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-( Genesis 11&12)-----427years
III - From Abraham to Exodus-(Gal.3:17)--------------430 years
IV-From Exodus to king Saul-(1Reis6:1(480-84)-------396 years
V -From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem -------------------508 years
VI -From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus -----------------587 years
Thus,from Adam to the 1stcoming of Jesus ---------4004years
From Jesus to our days(Christian Calendar)----------2023years
Total from Adam to our days --------------------------6027years
So,we are living in the beginning of the seventh millennium
What does the Word of GOD say? 2Peter 3:8 - 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.
So, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?
We should know that 6000 years after Adam are pointing midnight at GOD's clock, so it is the turn from the sixth to the seventh Day, and Day of GOD's rest, so it is the END of the sixth and beginning of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. But actually have already passed around 23 years, something like minites at GOD's clock.
Wake up, be careful, and get ready - Matthew 25:6. Take a look.
Lord JESUS will return in the day 1335 of this current millennium according the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, self-executing.
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand- Daniel 12:10.
If the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 1 Corinthians 14:8
As good as the KJV is, the New Testament is still a translation of the original Greek.
The words translated everlasting, eternal, forever, and world; in a few places, would more correctly have been translated AGE, or for the AGE, or of the age.
So, although time does not really exist, God does all his WORK in AGES, now and those to come.
Christ is IMMORTAL LIFE, in all AGES, there is yet more to come.
Ephesians 2:7 .... that in the ages to come .....
Same Greek work translated other places as eternal, everlasting, forever, world in some places.
If I am incorrect, perhaps our brother in Greece, brother Giannis, will give us a correct translation.
God BLESS YOU!
I agree!
God bless you.
I agree 100% and yes I think that we sin throughout the day?
We also dishonor God in our proud haughtiness when we do something right.
Even in ministering and persuaded by God we have to sometimes repent because of the proud emotions come over us.
Our happiness over something we shouldn't be is sinful.
Our humility is tested everyday.
Thanks for all you do brother.
God bless
It sadly will take until the end of the Tribulation when Jerusalem has half of the city taken along with rapes like has happened now and in most wars in the past. The third that is refined in the fire will endure to the end; two thirds of Israel will perish before they finally realize who Christ is and the nation will weep by themselves in their own families. Then God will fight for Israel and the people themselves will have the final conquest along with the returning saints who rule and reign with Christ with a rod of iron upon His return in Revelation 19.
No doubt there are trying times ahead; and we won't even see the Tribulation begin without a false peace narrative even stronger than present once Antichrist is revealed; but likely some time after this conflict and other conflagrations for life to seem to go back to some sense of normal for Christ to return when we don't expect like the time of Noah when people were buying; selling; marrying; etc. Don't be surprised if it is still at least a few years until the Rapture therefore; many will fall away.
By the way, welcome to the site.
We live in such critical times where we see less planting and watering today. After we plant God gives the increase.
There has to be a seed planted before the watering and then God gives the increase. There we have a new birth!!
The role of the Holyspirit is the most neglected aspect of the Godhead! It's he that teaches us.
For ourselves the word of God is a must for our growth.
This forum and any other platform is an opportunity to witness.
Thanks and God bless.
I believe we all agree on what you have shared " The doubt and conscience of the person causes him to sin being that he thinks eating meat ect as a sin, However, "so he's not persuaded of and by the grace of God imputed to him.
I would be cautious to interpret faith that way, when I look up faith in the strongs it says persuasion, That Parallels with Ephesians 2:8-9.
If I translated it as belief, "then that which I believe in is persuaded by God.
However simply believing in something doesn't always work out being that one can be wrong and I doubt God persuaded that.
I was emphasizing that those who believe you can live a perfect life in this body they might want to consider that verse.
Thanks my brother,
God bless.
So, in this current millennium, the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day, all things in whole world are under JESUS's control, nothing random happens, understand?
Matthew 25:31-34 and 41&46
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels(true believers- Luke 20:35-36.Take a look) with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another(this will be literally be fulfilled from now on), as a shepherd divideth His sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the KINGDOM prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ( Revelation 11:15-18. Take a look.)
41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his angels(messengers):
46 And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: but the righteous into life ETERNAL.
The EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT was previously determined to start in this current time, precisely in this beginning of the seventh and last millennium, so it will NEVER END from now on, it's for EVER.
When ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the DESOLATION thereof is nigh. Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in these days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and WRATH upon the people. These are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory- Luke 21:26-27.
You wrote, " ... the Mosque on the Dome of the Rock. This was to intentionally desecrate the most holy site of the Jews"
Not really. The muslims like the Jews and christians believe in the OT but with a very important difference. They consider God's blessing and promise to Abraham goes down the line of Ishmael and hence to the Arabs who come from him.
The Temple of Solomon was said to have been built on the mountain (a hill or a rock actually) where Abraham was to sacrifice Isaac. The Holy of the Hollies, the most sacred part of that temple is said to be exactlly at the point were Abraham prepared the altar for the sacrifice of his son. The Arabs, although they wrongly believe that the promise went down to Ishmael, still honor Abraham and Isaac. So when they built the Mosque of the Dome, they built it exactly where the Temple of Solomon was located (before the Romans destroyed it). Inside the mosque there is nothing else but a place which is fenced. That place is just a natural land, where they claim it was the place of the Holy of the Holies and where the sacrifice was to take place. So they didn't built that mosque in order to desecrate the Jewish Temple but actually to honor Abraham and Isaac. Just for information.
Spencer.
Don't misunderstand whay I said. When I say that to him only it is a sin, I mean that it is not a sin but in his conscience it is considered a sin. God will not damn him, because he wrongly believes it is a sin, but he damns himself (wrongly)
And something else. In greek faith and belief is the same word. So for better understanding of that verse, substitute the word faith with the word belief.
My understanding of that verse may differ from others'.
First lets consider what the specific passage is about. It is about those christians who may consider as a sin something which is not really a sin, like say eating meat, like celebrating a specific day like Sabbath, etc, but to them it is considered as a sin. And Paul ends up saying that everything that does not originate from one's faith is sin, which means that something which in accordance to one's faith is sin then to him (and only to him) it is a sin. That is why Paul says, " And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." In general that means that if one eats meat which he considers as a sin, then in his conscience he damns himself because he sins according to his faith, so eating meat is not right in his faith, it is not of his faith or from his faith (of right and wrong).
The problem with the question of eternal security lies in having NO KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD.
If one deeply studies the PROPHECIES, one will see that at some point in the ages to come all the tribes of Israel are going to once again exit.
BUT, in this AGE he is ONLY calling out the PREISTHOOD, the house of David, the kind of firstfruits as is the tribe of Judah, lawgivers that will rule and reign and serve him when he resurrects all the DEAD back to there bodies of flesh and blood.
If one studies under the spirit of truth, you find these prophecies in the blessings of Israel to his twelve sons, from the beginning the tribe of Judah was CHOSEN to be God's lawgiver. The blessing on the remaining tribes will be fulfilled after all the lawgivers are put in place.
Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zachariah, and Revelation all prophesy ONLY a PART will be save in this age, one third (probably symbolic) since other prophecies seem to say ONE TENTH, the tithe to God, those without blemish being sacrificed with Christ on HIS CROSS.
You find this in the blessings of Jacob and Esau.
Hebrews 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau CONCERNING THINGS TO COME.
There are TWO DEATHS, TWO RESURRECTION and TWO JUDGEMENTS,
The first death and resurrection is those SAVED in this AGE, the ones Christ CAUSES TO BELIEVE in this AGE, they are being judged by the words of God.
1 Timothy 4:10 ... who is the SAVIOUR of ALL MEN (not necessarily in this AGE), especially THOSE (in this AGE) that BELIEVE.
Isaiah 6:13 But yet in it (the land) shall be a tenth, and it (the tenth) shall be eaten (same as Christ is eaten, eat the words and digest them) as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance (CHRIST) IS IN THEM, when they cast their leaves (administer judgement), so the HOLY SEED shall be the substance thereof.
Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (those conformed to the image of Christ) SHALL COME upon Mt, Zion to JUDGE the house of ESAU
and the Kingdom shall be the LORDS.
I always appreciate those who will join with me in prayers.