Here's the scripture we have in question and how it reads.
John 20:21-23.
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Here we have another one of those passages that has caused a lot of confusion.
I will share my thoughts on these verses.
Previously I stated we don't have "The right " to forgive or retain the sins of people!
I believe as ambassadors for Christ We have the Gospel to present to the lost sinner. If you win a soul by way of the Gospel, you have loosed on earth that is ALREADY loosed in Heaven.
Only Christ can forgive sins.
I would like to attempt to give more clarity on this.
One of the few translations that reflect key Greek nuances reads as follows
"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained" The word forgiven is in the perfect tense. NASB.
In verse 22 Jesus breathed on them and said receive the Holyspirit and he sent them out. (After Pentecost)
By this power that they didn't have before, the apostles would be able to make "SPIRIT-LED SENTENCING" AFTER PRESENTING THE GOSPEL.
They would be led or inspired to either pardon or bound according to what has ALREADY been pardoned or bound by God.
I believe we are able to sound the horn of salvation we are not able to make the decision for salvation.
-- REV 4:1 - 1260 days + forty and two months - REV 19:11-21--
REV 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. (DON'T HAVE TO CALL IT RAPTURE, BUT THAT DAY WILL COME LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT/TRIBULATION STARTS)
REV 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; ('Raptured, caught up, whichever you call it, Saints singing in Heaven before the 1st seal)
REV 11:3 ( two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days) 1260 DAYS
REV 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." (when? In Rev 13:7)
REV 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them." (two witnesses resurrected,'raptured', when the beast makes war and kills them in Rev 13:7)
REV 13:5 Best given forty and two months. 1260 days over and 42 months to go.
REV 13:7 Two Witness killed as told in Rev 11:7
Skip To Rev 19:11-21. 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. 7 years. Does not say it, but it is 7 years from the start of Tribulation to the 2nd coming of Christ.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Rapture just means (A seizing, a Carrying off) Not found in the Bible, describes how it will be to be taken to Heaven. Call it when Those who are ready, are taken.
I think maybe what I stated flew over your head. Gal 6, 3
on top of that till the day you die, it will be the The Lord Christ that The Most High sees concerning you.
Your human nature is SIN if you understand that than you would know you are (Nothing) hence James CH 1, and that every moment you breath it is Christ that The Most High sees. You must be hearing the Lord telling you now (THOU GOOD and FAITHFUL SERVANT).......pretty prideful to say anything good comes from man, after the WORD itself states there is NONE GOOD NOT ONE!
Mat 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mar 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Psa 53:3
Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Jer 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
I will give you some encouragement though Galatians CH 6 vs 12-16.
If you choose to acknowledge the fact, ( John 3 vs 19)
Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
1Co 7:7
For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
1Th 4:9
But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
Jhn 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
So anyway I get what you are saying, The Most High drew us to Himself but its no excuse to think us as something when we are NOTHING! Because He would never step on your will to choose Its because of His Grace and Kindness that we are even existing.
Daniel 4:35 .... and God doeth according to HIS WILL in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and NONE can STAY his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou.
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the SAME LUMP, to make one vessel unto honour, and one vessel unto dishonour.
The dogs without are the vessels of DISHONOUR.
No man has a CHOICE of what he is, it's all GOD"S WORK.
There, but by the grace of GOD go I, a vessel of dishonour.
Passover was the fourteen day after the new year, the new year was about March 21, by our calendar today.
The feast of the weeks could vary, it was based on the firstripe barley.
Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteen day of the first month at eve is the Lord's passover.
Deuteronomy 16:9 Seven weeks shall thou number unto thee, begin to number the days seven weeks from the time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.
Deuteronomy 16:10 And thou shall keep the feast of the weeks unto the Lord ......
"To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;" Isaiah 61:2 KJV
This day is to be considered as part of the day decreed for the Son. This day of vengeance has its own color and weight. For those mourners it is day of joy. ""I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels."(v.10) The bride has made herself ready and the Marriage of the Lamb is come.
"For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations." (v.11) Here Isaiah is speaking about heavenly realities. ""It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power./"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." 1 Corinthians 15:43-44 KJV
Before all nations New Jerusalem is bedecked in glory of the Lord and the holy city of God is "To them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified." Isaiah 61:3 They are planted by God and shall be called Priests unto the Most High. Order of Melchizedek is the Order of the New where the House of prayer is for all nations.
Lord Jesus please glorify yourself in our midst. Please save, heal, deliver, protect. Thank you for what you have already done and will do. Thank you and PRAISE you for the signs of encouragement you send. I plead your precious blood over us, ask for your mighty warrior angels to surround us and a wall of Holy Spirit fire around us (incl. our thoughts and emotions). I also ask for salvation, deliverance and healing (entire family incl. relatives). Please open all unsaved family members' hearts to the gospel, please deliver from all bondage, addictions, compulsions and anything else that is not of you Lord) and your powerful intervention concerning the issues we are lifting up to you (you know all the details, I stand on Luke 18:7-8). Please do the same for all others in need including those praying here. Thank you Lord Jesus. In your holy name I pray. Amen.
"The King James Bible is one of the great literary treasures our world has ever seen, especially when you consider who wrote the King James Bible, why it was written and when it was written. While it is a literary masterpiece, more importantly it is the Word of God. This is why it has endured. Not because of the commission of King James but because of the commission of God himself. Regardless of how people feel about God's word, you can be confident in knowing that God's word will endure forever.
"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever" ( Isaiah 40:8 KJV)"
Revelation 6:12 And when the SIXTH seal was opened, and lo, there was a great earthquake .... Matthew 27:54.... and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair ...... Matthew 27:45 ....... and the moon became as blood ...... John 19:34 .....
All this was prophesied:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall turn into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable Day of the Lord come.
Heavenly Father, I bring before You, Jesusgirl87, whose husband has violated his role as a loving husband. Father God, have him realize that what he did to his wife has greatly displeased You and has grieved the Holy Spirit, and has broken her heart. Lord God, that at this very moment he repent and ask Jesusgirl87 for forgiveness. Bring them back together as a loving husband and wife. God bless you Jesusgirl87.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, BEHOLD, I COME QUICKLY; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
15 For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Philippians 3:2KJV
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Dear Heavenly Father, we bring Jesusgirl and her husband before you now in the name of Jesus asking You to bring harmony and peace in their life together and that this matter of what is occurring in Israel and Gaza will no longer put a wedge between them. Have them come to an agreement on this in faith and do not let the devil gain a foothold in their marriage. Lord God, help them in this time and strengthen them in faith in You and love for one another. Steer their conversations away from this conflict and onto other things. Lead them to study Your Word together and to gain spiritual nourishment from it. Be near them both in the day to day activities they engage in and bring them enjoyment in what they share together. Amen.
"And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand"(Re.11:11-13)
There are several earthquakes mentioned in the Bible. One we shall quote here, "yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee./ And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:/But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light."(Ze.14:5-7). 'Tenth part of the city fell'. Compare this with "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;/ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." (Re.6:12-13) The number 10 and the fig tree are often applied to the nation of Israel.Number of slain men were 7x1000 so the inference is clear. It is decreed from heaven.
From the key text we have the earthquake set in the backdrop of the martyrdom of the two witnesses. "And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet;" They were caught up to heaven in plain sight of his enemies. We are looking at the same hour in which rapture takes place and then the earthquake. "Yes 'ye shall flee' and we see the Palestinians fleeing from Gaza at this moment' Zechariah is addressing Israel. Now an earthquake splitting Jerusalem decimating as he warns, remains to be seen."And the Lord shall come/ and all thhe saints with thee,"
The Lord's Prayer has this:"...Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. (Matt.6:10)
"The Body prepared for the Son (Ps.40:7;He.10:5-7) The writer to the Hebrews also refers to it, "Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me." This is with reference to what was in the divine Will. Where the NT writer refers is how God the Son fulfilled it. It is body a memorial, and a body fashioned after human body. The prayer is the very foundation of Christian Living so every believer while on earth model their body of experience in the manner Jesus Christ fulfilled the human aspect. This becomes all the more significant when we identify with the body of Christ to which Holy communion is a reminder of what our Savior Lord did. He poured out meaning that he totally identified with the world whom he was to serve as Servant-King. "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:/ But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:/And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross./Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:(Phi.2:6-9)" When we believed and came to the born again experience we shall conclude that we are in Christ or rather we have a body but it is no longer the body of natural man but the selfsame body as befitting those who have cast their hopes beyond the veil as a sure anchor. Christian Living it is called. We are in body attending to our material needs (Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;-v.11)' yet we are in heavenly places. We are dead to the world and we live by faith that we shall one day be received by him. Of this apparent contradiction St Paul speaks thus"We are confident,I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord(2 Co.5:8).
I'm going to need to begin another thread, I've mistakenly clicked the notification to not have any more replies on our previous thread.
Jesse,
You ask for concrete proof, it's been given to you, you've chosen to reject Light
You may remain in unbelief, I would not advise it, Heb 11:61Cor 15:34
I've openly stated that I'm in the work of the washing of regeneration & renewing in the Holy Spirit, the work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling to the Blood/Life of Jesus.
The phases themselves indicates a cleansing from sin & a renewing into the image of Him who created him.
I've experience through the years, that this cleansing is not only from the committing of sin, but from the temptations to commit sin, though not submitted too. Their powers are weakened as I pick up the Cross & deny self in the inward parts, were thoughts are formed & birth, springs forth & we become conscious of them, Holy Spirit quickens me in my conscience to their stratagem within & without & makes me to learn Wisdom, Job 28:28 He preserves me 1Pet 1:5 by faith in the inward Voice, Grace appearance.
Surrendering to Christ is not a one time thing, it's a daily surrendering, as one exercises & abides in known Truth & as new light & knowledge is shined into our hearts in the face of Jesus Christ. Paul says at the end of his life, "I have kept the Faith"
A Christian life is one of constant growth, a perfection that can be added too. Even in our unperfected state there's a perfecting of our faith, how else will one ever arrive at 2Cor 7:1 "its from faith to faith, glory to glory".
I appreciate your concern, spiritually, but my faith whom Christ has Authored decrees a cleansing from all sin, Titus 2:14 & according to my faith, so shall it be unto me.
Ephesians 3:19,20Matt 5:6 both indicating there's no place for darkness to remain & that God is able.
The Spirit while organizing the Bible has assigned numbers as tags where the number multiplied by 10 refers to man's life. A godly man therefore lives by the Law of the word. (Ps.119:89). 7x10 explains him.
In the Book of Exodus we have this line: "And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already (Ex.1:5)".
Compare this citation from the Acts. "Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls." Here we have two numbers 75 and 70. There is no discrepancy here. The number 75 refers to the exact number of souls but in the same sense we find 70 is placed in the narrative. "Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water(Ex.15:27)". The significance of number 12 and 70 there is placed as a reminder that this wanderings of the children of Israel has a spiritual ancillary. Compare it with the occasion Jesus sent his 12 disciples and later 70 other disciples ( Luke 9:1 and 19:1). The trek towards the Promised Land is a dry run where Moses is a stand-in for the Son. The Spirit uses command number as additional safeguard so when we compare spiritual significance of the Salvation Plan with another passage there shall be no error.
Likewise 70 weeks refer to unfolding and fulfillment of events revealed to Daniel, which are part of the history of Israel with frame of reference to the Son.
"And the king of Assyria sent Tartan and Rabsaris and Rabshakeh from Lachish to king Hezekiah with a great host against Jerusalem. And they went up and came to Jerusalem. And when they were come up, they came and stood by the conduit of the upper pool, which is in the highway of the fuller's field./And when they had called to the king, there came out to them Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and Joah the son of Asaph the recorder."
Here we have two groups of men of equal status representing their masters. There is friction and there is talk of war. The Spirit has set their meeting by the conduit of the upper pool which means that all that water is going some place. We shall see where it comes from. Pool, fountain, well or water hole all have one thing in common,- water. It is the sign of God's blessing which was sent from heaven along with the creation of Adam, sent as a river coming down and in four heads which watered the Garden of Eden. This has been all the while flowing beneath the feet of these warring parties.
This helps us place the current events in the Middle East, in Ukraine or in USA in context of the water of life, river pure water of life which signifies time.
to the standpoint from the Son. Here also we have a pool. The name is Bethesda. ( John 5:1-30). The angel who comes in certain season gives the diseased a chance to get cured. But the palsy finds no help for 38 years. Jesus heals him because the word has gone forth before the worlds began. The promise is."He sent his word healed them, and delivered from all destructions."(Ps.107:20) The presence of God works even now. This helps us to have good grasp of abiding in Christ. "In thee is the fountain of life." History of nations in course of time makes us non-persons even as Antiochus IV is insignificant. The world is full of such nobodies making big noise. What are in 50 years? Big zero. But in Christ we shall live!
Seventy weeks as you have rightly pointed out holds significance and makes 490 years. In terms of history a chronological order is very significant. But here we are talking about the God document where the fulness of Christ is the centre of gravity to which all events move. This historical perspective I can explain from recent history. I was a war child. Having lived through 8 decades living in another continent, yet Stalingrad Siege was a crucial event that drew me in. Papers were full of daily grind house to house combat and twists and turn of the battle. Now in any history book WWII merits a couple of pages I will be surprised if this siege would get even a paragraph. And the exploit of Vassily Zaitsev in Enemy at the gate , in the overall narrative would have fallen through the tiles as it were. There is a distortion. It is thus we need look at time element in the Bible. Jesus Christ, " And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Col.1:17)
Now 70 weeks hold spiritual significance. Seven is a number of completeness. 7x10 is applied to the life of am as 120 years was applied (Ge.6:3) Man's life reckoned in terms of the Gospel and it applies to the Advent of Christ. 70 weeks carry several tasks which are set in frame of reference to the ministry of Jesus. "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."
1) to finish the transgression 2) to make an end of sins. 3) Here we have the ministry of reconciliation,-'to make reconciliation for iniquity, 4)to bring in everlasting righteousness et al.,
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
End: From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid) -- + continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. a. termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be, (in the Greek writings always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time.
Matthew 24:15 (during tribulation)
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
Matthew 24:16
"Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:" (THOSE IN JUDAEA DURING TRIBULATION)
Mark 13:14
"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"
Thanks for your patience.
Here's the scripture we have in question and how it reads.
John 20:21-23.
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Here we have another one of those passages that has caused a lot of confusion.
I will share my thoughts on these verses.
Previously I stated we don't have "The right " to forgive or retain the sins of people!
I believe as ambassadors for Christ We have the Gospel to present to the lost sinner. If you win a soul by way of the Gospel, you have loosed on earth that is ALREADY loosed in Heaven.
Only Christ can forgive sins.
I would like to attempt to give more clarity on this.
One of the few translations that reflect key Greek nuances reads as follows
"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained" The word forgiven is in the perfect tense. NASB.
In verse 22 Jesus breathed on them and said receive the Holyspirit and he sent them out. (After Pentecost)
By this power that they didn't have before, the apostles would be able to make "SPIRIT-LED SENTENCING" AFTER PRESENTING THE GOSPEL.
They would be led or inspired to either pardon or bound according to what has ALREADY been pardoned or bound by God.
I believe we are able to sound the horn of salvation we are not able to make the decision for salvation.
I am not sure about the translations
nevertheless that's the way I see those verses.
Thanks and God bless.
REV 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. (DON'T HAVE TO CALL IT RAPTURE, BUT THAT DAY WILL COME LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT/TRIBULATION STARTS)
REV 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; ('Raptured, caught up, whichever you call it, Saints singing in Heaven before the 1st seal)
REV 11:3 ( two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days) 1260 DAYS
REV 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." (when? In Rev 13:7)
REV 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them." (two witnesses resurrected,'raptured', when the beast makes war and kills them in Rev 13:7)
REV 13:5 Best given forty and two months. 1260 days over and 42 months to go.
REV 13:7 Two Witness killed as told in Rev 11:7
Skip To Rev 19:11-21. 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. 7 years. Does not say it, but it is 7 years from the start of Tribulation to the 2nd coming of Christ.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Rapture just means (A seizing, a Carrying off) Not found in the Bible, describes how it will be to be taken to Heaven. Call it when Those who are ready, are taken.
on top of that till the day you die, it will be the The Lord Christ that The Most High sees concerning you.
Your human nature is SIN if you understand that than you would know you are (Nothing) hence James CH 1, and that every moment you breath it is Christ that The Most High sees. You must be hearing the Lord telling you now (THOU GOOD and FAITHFUL SERVANT).......pretty prideful to say anything good comes from man, after the WORD itself states there is NONE GOOD NOT ONE!
Mat 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mar 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Psa 53:3
Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Jer 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
I will give you some encouragement though Galatians CH 6 vs 12-16.
If you choose to acknowledge the fact, ( John 3 vs 19)
Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
1Co 7:7
For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
1Th 4:9
But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
Jhn 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
So anyway I get what you are saying, The Most High drew us to Himself but its no excuse to think us as something when we are NOTHING! Because He would never step on your will to choose Its because of His Grace and Kindness that we are even existing.
Daniel 4:35 .... and God doeth according to HIS WILL in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and NONE can STAY his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou.
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the SAME LUMP, to make one vessel unto honour, and one vessel unto dishonour.
The dogs without are the vessels of DISHONOUR.
No man has a CHOICE of what he is, it's all GOD"S WORK.
There, but by the grace of GOD go I, a vessel of dishonour.
God BLESS YOU!
Passover was the fourteen day after the new year, the new year was about March 21, by our calendar today.
The feast of the weeks could vary, it was based on the firstripe barley.
Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteen day of the first month at eve is the Lord's passover.
Deuteronomy 16:9 Seven weeks shall thou number unto thee, begin to number the days seven weeks from the time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.
Deuteronomy 16:10 And thou shall keep the feast of the weeks unto the Lord ......
God Bless YOU!
That was very well explained.
God bless you.
This day is to be considered as part of the day decreed for the Son. This day of vengeance has its own color and weight. For those mourners it is day of joy. ""I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels."(v.10) The bride has made herself ready and the Marriage of the Lamb is come.
"For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations." (v.11) Here Isaiah is speaking about heavenly realities. ""It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power./"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." 1 Corinthians 15:43-44 KJV
Before all nations New Jerusalem is bedecked in glory of the Lord and the holy city of God is "To them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified." Isaiah 61:3 They are planted by God and shall be called Priests unto the Most High. Order of Melchizedek is the Order of the New where the House of prayer is for all nations.
"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever" ( Isaiah 40:8 KJV)"
50 days to penetcost was based on sabbaths.
The 1290 days and the 1335 days was probably based off Jesus entry to Jerusalem on the colt of an ass.
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Revelation 6:12 And when the SIXTH seal was opened, and lo, there was a great earthquake .... Matthew 27:54.... and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair ...... Matthew 27:45 ....... and the moon became as blood ...... John 19:34 .....
All this was prophesied:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall turn into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable Day of the Lord come.
Quoted in Acts 2L20
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11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, BEHOLD, I COME QUICKLY; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
15 For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Philippians 3:2KJV
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Who are the DOGS according to the Word of GOD?
YEah, who are the dogs? Who are them?
I think that Pentecost is 50 days after Easter Sunday which is the Feast of first fruits, (Shavuot) according to the Law of Moses.
So 7 Sundays after the High Sabbath day of Passover (Saturday) is Shavuot. You can check this out on a refutable Christian site.
I am glad to agree with you in prayer.
Dear Heavenly Father, we bring Jesusgirl and her husband before you now in the name of Jesus asking You to bring harmony and peace in their life together and that this matter of what is occurring in Israel and Gaza will no longer put a wedge between them. Have them come to an agreement on this in faith and do not let the devil gain a foothold in their marriage. Lord God, help them in this time and strengthen them in faith in You and love for one another. Steer their conversations away from this conflict and onto other things. Lead them to study Your Word together and to gain spiritual nourishment from it. Be near them both in the day to day activities they engage in and bring them enjoyment in what they share together. Amen.
There are several earthquakes mentioned in the Bible. One we shall quote here, "yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee./ And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:/But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light."(Ze.14:5-7). 'Tenth part of the city fell'. Compare this with "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;/ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." (Re.6:12-13) The number 10 and the fig tree are often applied to the nation of Israel.Number of slain men were 7x1000 so the inference is clear. It is decreed from heaven.
From the key text we have the earthquake set in the backdrop of the martyrdom of the two witnesses. "And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet;" They were caught up to heaven in plain sight of his enemies. We are looking at the same hour in which rapture takes place and then the earthquake. "Yes 'ye shall flee' and we see the Palestinians fleeing from Gaza at this moment' Zechariah is addressing Israel. Now an earthquake splitting Jerusalem decimating as he warns, remains to be seen."And the Lord shall come/ and all thhe saints with thee,"
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The Lord's Prayer has this:"...Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. (Matt.6:10)
"The Body prepared for the Son (Ps.40:7;He.10:5-7) The writer to the Hebrews also refers to it, "Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me." This is with reference to what was in the divine Will. Where the NT writer refers is how God the Son fulfilled it. It is body a memorial, and a body fashioned after human body. The prayer is the very foundation of Christian Living so every believer while on earth model their body of experience in the manner Jesus Christ fulfilled the human aspect. This becomes all the more significant when we identify with the body of Christ to which Holy communion is a reminder of what our Savior Lord did. He poured out meaning that he totally identified with the world whom he was to serve as Servant-King. "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:/ But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:/And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross./Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:(Phi.2:6-9)" When we believed and came to the born again experience we shall conclude that we are in Christ or rather we have a body but it is no longer the body of natural man but the selfsame body as befitting those who have cast their hopes beyond the veil as a sure anchor. Christian Living it is called. We are in body attending to our material needs (Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;-v.11)' yet we are in heavenly places. We are dead to the world and we live by faith that we shall one day be received by him. Of this apparent contradiction St Paul speaks thus"We are confident,I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord(2 Co.5:8).
Sorry Brother but I haven't visited the site at all this weekend.
I've been on a project here at home and it needed my full attention so I received a notice on my email but haven't read them until now.
Please bare with me in my response as I work them in while at work.
God bless.
I'm going to need to begin another thread, I've mistakenly clicked the notification to not have any more replies on our previous thread.
Jesse,
You ask for concrete proof, it's been given to you, you've chosen to reject Light
You may remain in unbelief, I would not advise it, Heb 11:6 1Cor 15:34
I've openly stated that I'm in the work of the washing of regeneration & renewing in the Holy Spirit, the work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling to the Blood/Life of Jesus.
The phases themselves indicates a cleansing from sin & a renewing into the image of Him who created him.
I've experience through the years, that this cleansing is not only from the committing of sin, but from the temptations to commit sin, though not submitted too. Their powers are weakened as I pick up the Cross & deny self in the inward parts, were thoughts are formed & birth, springs forth & we become conscious of them, Holy Spirit quickens me in my conscience to their stratagem within & without & makes me to learn Wisdom, Job 28:28 He preserves me 1Pet 1:5 by faith in the inward Voice, Grace appearance.
Surrendering to Christ is not a one time thing, it's a daily surrendering, as one exercises & abides in known Truth & as new light & knowledge is shined into our hearts in the face of Jesus Christ. Paul says at the end of his life, "I have kept the Faith"
A Christian life is one of constant growth, a perfection that can be added too. Even in our unperfected state there's a perfecting of our faith, how else will one ever arrive at 2Cor 7:1 "its from faith to faith, glory to glory".
I appreciate your concern, spiritually, but my faith whom Christ has Authored decrees a cleansing from all sin, Titus 2:14 & according to my faith, so shall it be unto me.
Ephesians 3:19,20 Matt 5:6 both indicating there's no place for darkness to remain & that God is able.
Jesse
Rev 3:6
The Spirit while organizing the Bible has assigned numbers as tags where the number multiplied by 10 refers to man's life. A godly man therefore lives by the Law of the word. (Ps.119:89). 7x10 explains him.
In the Book of Exodus we have this line: "And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already (Ex.1:5)".
Compare this citation from the Acts. "Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls." Here we have two numbers 75 and 70. There is no discrepancy here. The number 75 refers to the exact number of souls but in the same sense we find 70 is placed in the narrative. "Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water(Ex.15:27)". The significance of number 12 and 70 there is placed as a reminder that this wanderings of the children of Israel has a spiritual ancillary. Compare it with the occasion Jesus sent his 12 disciples and later 70 other disciples ( Luke 9:1 and 19:1). The trek towards the Promised Land is a dry run where Moses is a stand-in for the Son. The Spirit uses command number as additional safeguard so when we compare spiritual significance of the Salvation Plan with another passage there shall be no error.
Likewise 70 weeks refer to unfolding and fulfillment of events revealed to Daniel, which are part of the history of Israel with frame of reference to the Son.
King James, by your royal command
Set scholars of the realm
with divine inspiration pore over divine writ
And compile a tome that stood the test of time.
But is a version nonetheless.
And it grieves me that with diversions
peculiar I loath to say
You seem to have missed the divine wit
and perspiration of thy scholarly servants.
"And the king of Assyria sent Tartan and Rabsaris and Rabshakeh from Lachish to king Hezekiah with a great host against Jerusalem. And they went up and came to Jerusalem. And when they were come up, they came and stood by the conduit of the upper pool, which is in the highway of the fuller's field./And when they had called to the king, there came out to them Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and Joah the son of Asaph the recorder."
Here we have two groups of men of equal status representing their masters. There is friction and there is talk of war. The Spirit has set their meeting by the conduit of the upper pool which means that all that water is going some place. We shall see where it comes from. Pool, fountain, well or water hole all have one thing in common,- water. It is the sign of God's blessing which was sent from heaven along with the creation of Adam, sent as a river coming down and in four heads which watered the Garden of Eden. This has been all the while flowing beneath the feet of these warring parties.
This helps us place the current events in the Middle East, in Ukraine or in USA in context of the water of life, river pure water of life which signifies time.
to the standpoint from the Son. Here also we have a pool. The name is Bethesda. ( John 5:1-30). The angel who comes in certain season gives the diseased a chance to get cured. But the palsy finds no help for 38 years. Jesus heals him because the word has gone forth before the worlds began. The promise is."He sent his word healed them, and delivered from all destructions."(Ps.107:20) The presence of God works even now. This helps us to have good grasp of abiding in Christ. "In thee is the fountain of life." History of nations in course of time makes us non-persons even as Antiochus IV is insignificant. The world is full of such nobodies making big noise. What are in 50 years? Big zero. But in Christ we shall live!
Seventy weeks as you have rightly pointed out holds significance and makes 490 years. In terms of history a chronological order is very significant. But here we are talking about the God document where the fulness of Christ is the centre of gravity to which all events move. This historical perspective I can explain from recent history. I was a war child. Having lived through 8 decades living in another continent, yet Stalingrad Siege was a crucial event that drew me in. Papers were full of daily grind house to house combat and twists and turn of the battle. Now in any history book WWII merits a couple of pages I will be surprised if this siege would get even a paragraph. And the exploit of Vassily Zaitsev in Enemy at the gate , in the overall narrative would have fallen through the tiles as it were. There is a distortion. It is thus we need look at time element in the Bible. Jesus Christ, " And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Col.1:17)
Now 70 weeks hold spiritual significance. Seven is a number of completeness. 7x10 is applied to the life of am as 120 years was applied (Ge.6:3) Man's life reckoned in terms of the Gospel and it applies to the Advent of Christ. 70 weeks carry several tasks which are set in frame of reference to the ministry of Jesus. "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."
1) to finish the transgression 2) to make an end of sins. 3) Here we have the ministry of reconciliation,-'to make reconciliation for iniquity, 4)to bring in everlasting righteousness et al.,
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
End: From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid) -- + continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. a. termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be, (in the Greek writings always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time.
Matthew 24:15 (during tribulation)
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
Matthew 24:16
"Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:" (THOSE IN JUDAEA DURING TRIBULATION)
Mark 13:14
"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"