1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished,and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh Day GOD ended his work which he had made;and he rested on the seventh Day from all his work which he had made.3 And GOD blessed the seventh Day,and sanctified it:because that in it GOD had rested from all His work which GOD created and made.
In fact,in the beginning,i.e. in JESUS was the Word,the Word is GOD,understand?And by/through JESUS all things created by GOD the Father were made by JESUS;and without JESUS was not any thing made that was made,understand?
On the other hand, when GOD planned to restore or restitution ALL THINGS in six Days- Acts 3:20-21-, and to rest in the seventh Day, in fact ALL THINS which GOD described in His plan- Genesis 1- He called those things which were not as though they were. GOD is Omnipotent, Ominscient and Ominpresent.When GOD said in to rest in the seventh Day, He was speaking and revealing of His rest in this CURRENT MILLENNIUM,that is the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day.
For your better understanding, you must remember that JESUS,the Greater Light, was sent by GOD the Father around 4000 years after Adam,or around 2000 years ago.In fact it still was the fourth Day, understand? GOD,the Father,was still WORKING when He sent JESUS here,understand?Even my Lord JESUS said and revealed that the Father still was working- John 5:17:
JESUS said still in the fourth Day:My Father worketh hitherto,and I work.In fact,the sixth Day has just ended,we have just entered the seventh and last Day,we are living in the beginning of the last millennium,the blessed seventh and last Day of the rest of GOD the Father.From now on JESUS takes command of the Universe
Be careful and get ready.From Adam until JESUS passed around 4000 years
From JESUS until this current time have passed around 2000 years.The sixth GOD's Day just finished.We are living exactly the turn of the sixth to the seventh Day.
You are not understanding what I am saying. Jesus ETERNAL. He is the WORD. Jesus created everything. Jesus is God.Jesus is not a created being. Since Jesus is eternal, what was he doing before born? Think about it. What was he doing?
His name was Michael the archangel. The leader of the angels. God was living among his creation, the angels.
YOU CANNOT HAVE FAITH WITHOUT PRODUCING GOOD WORKS.
James, 1:25- But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed
James, 2:14- What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
James, 2:18- 18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
James, 2:22-Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
James, 2:24 -Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James, 2:26-For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
EVENTUALLY
If works are not present after knowing the truth in the word of God and accepting it, it is because your faith is false.
(Faith = believe)in the word of God and put it into(practice = works)so the works come automatically otherwise it is faith does not come from God and this faith cannot save you!!
THE FAITH
GRACE
REPENTANCE
PRACTICE GOOD WORKS
BAD WORK = SIN
GOOD WORK = SAVE AND SANCTIFY
It is good works that demonstrate that a person is saved
You cannot(BELIEVE = FAITH)in the word without
(PRACTICE = WORK)and you cannot(PRACTICE = WORK)without having heard, received and believed in the word.
Pay attention to what follows to fully understand all of the words of the Lord who teaches us in righteousness and mercy through his son Jesus Christ.
ATTENTION: Beware of false teachers, pastors, prophets.
HERE IS THE CONTROVERSIAL VERSE
Ephesians, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
(it is by grace that you are saved);
FOR WHAT
Because it is used without taking into consideration the entire Bible.
LET'S START, FOLLOW ME WITH YOUR BIBLE!
Titus, 1:16 They professthat they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Ephesians, 2:10- For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Philippians, 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Hebrews, 13:21 - 21] Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Titus, 2:7- In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing
Colossians, 1:10- That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
WARNING
Romans, 13:12 -The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the worksof darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Ephesians, 5:11 - And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works ofdarkness, but rather reprove them.
GOD JUDGES WHAT????
1 Peter, 1:17- 17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Romans, 2:6 - Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
YOU CANNOT HAVE FAITH WITHOUT PRODUCING GOOD WORKS.
You wrote: "Until we draw the last breath , we must battle. And, the battle is ourselves!"
But the battle is not ourselves only, "but against the wiles of the Devil, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, wherefore take unto you the whole armour of GOD, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand- Ephesians 6:11-13".
Revelation 16:13-15
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs(why frogs?) come out of the MOUTH of the dragon, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast(Beast of sea- Revelation 13:1-10), and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet (the false messiah, FALSE LAMB- Revelation 13:11- AN IMPOSTOR- John 5:43-47. Take a look.)
14 For they are the spirits of devils (a saatanic trinity), working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of GOD Almighty (that is the Lord's Day, the seventh nd last Day or seventh and last millennium, the current millennium).
15 Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Daniel 12:12 - Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Daniel 12:10 - Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
[6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[9] For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[10] For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[11] For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
[12] Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[13] And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[14] But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
Hebrews 8: 7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
I hope you have a nice week brother Spencer. I have been thinking a good part of the day of the relationship between the sacredness of life and it's relationship in the Church with a present reign in Christ and non-resistance in doctrine. One small thought is everything belongs to God. So Paul says greet the brethren with a holy salutation, we can prove love this way, even a little bit on an online forum.
Hi Momsage. About your concern on "no matching KJB text": if a contributor writes out a Scripture reference that this KJBO Site engine doesn't recognize, then you will get that warning. Quite some time ago, KJBO put out information on what were the acceptable ways of writing Scripture (sorry, I can't find that information now). But in the case of " 2nd Cor 6:[14]", this wouldn't be acceptable because of the brackets used. I always spell the verse/passage out in full (even though it takes up more character spaces), e.g. 2 Corinthians 6:14, as I know the reader can just hover the pointer over the reference to see it rather than go to the Bible verse. Hope that helps sort this out for you.
Thank you Jema for your reply. On the Isaiah 13:12 reference, we would find no agreement at all, as the verse, when understood naturally & in context refers to the scarcity of human life during those times of the LORD's intervention & destruction. If you are finding Jesus in there (i.e. "I will MAKE A MAN more precious than fine gold"), then that would have to be a personal discovery rather than a textual truth.
And likewise with Colossians 3:10, the text doesn't allow for such an interpretation (i.e. of God creating Jesus). Paul is writing about two 'persons': the new man (i.e. the human being renewed by the Spirit), and of God (Who creates in His (God's) Image). So, it doesn't speak of Jesus, but of man who was once created in God's Image (Adam), & then after the fall, that image was marred, which necessitated a re-creation of that image in man. And to do this, man had to be changed inwardly (becoming a 'new man'), who now is being "renewed in knowledge" into the image of the One (God) Who created him (man). Yes, we do have 2 Corinthians 4:4 & Colossians 1:15 to support your use of 'image' as to Christ's 'creation', but we also have Genesis 1:27 & 1 Corinthians 11:7 to support man being made in God's Image. But to put Christ in Colossians 3:10 would violate the point of that verse which is directed to man's renewal.
Lastly, you wrote that you "don't really relish the idea of a big debate". That puzzled me since you initiated those questions for our responses. If we gave responses without 'debate/discussion', then the whole exercise would be entirely fruitless & pointless. So maybe you just wanted to share your understanding of those verses, but not willing to defend your beliefs; and these matters (of Christ's Divinity, eternal judgement, etc.) are vital to Christians & also in the preaching of the Gospel. Without these fundamentals, we have no Gospel - we have no message of liberty & hope to share with a lost world.
I would like to ask for prayer for my son, Rob. He will be starting TMS therapy for depression beginning tomorrow, since medications have not been effective for him. This therapy involves repetitive magnetic pulses delivered to the brain. It is FDA approved and has had very promising results for many people. Please pray that God will cause this therapy to be effective in stimulating long repressed cranial nerves to begin working properly again and to suppress the working of cranial nerves that lead to negative thought patterns and depressed mood.
I pray for him often, but did just pray yesterday for God to bring healing to the physical aspects of his brain that promote depression. And here today, he informs us of this new therapy he will begin tomorrow. I am happy to know that there are some new medical therapies to treat depression. Praise the Lord for this breakthrough.
I certainly appreciate all who would be led to pray for Rob. The therapy is a 5 days a week half-hour session for 4-6 weeks. He may need to take time off of work to make appointments since the clinic is almost 2 hours away, so would be a half of a work day off each day. Pray that all works out that he can et morning appointments so he can get to work in the afternoons to evenings at his present job. He gets insurance from this job, so he needs to retain it.
I have never advocated communicating with the dead. But I do believe that the Bible teaches what Jesus said that those who believe in Him, though one dies, will live forever.
You said "Before Jesus was born in Bethlehem, what was he doing? He was living among his angels, as Michael".
What you are preaching is not true, but a false interpretation of the Word of GOD.
Michael was never born from the womb of Mary, Michael was never the Word made flesh as you suggest and are preaching, actually, what you are preaching it is tares invented by the spirit of lie, or rather, invented by the father of lie- John 8:44-45.
By the way, my Lord JESUS Himself sent Michael for this War against the old Serpent, called the Devil and Satan, now in the time of Apocalypse also called the great Dragon - Revelation 12:9. Take a look.
Furthermore, we which are alive and remain unto the coming of my Lord JESUS shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven(in His coming) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel -MICHAEL-, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first (as is written in Daniel 12:1-3): Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord: and so shall we ever be with the Lord, according to the preaching of Paul Apostle to the Church of Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 4. Take a look.
You must to re-study the matter and to stop preaching that satanic lie of the father of lie. In fact, the battle, the War, is against him and his messengers, not against you in person.
Not justified to remain a sinner, we are justified to be the image of the Son of God. If I am the image of the Son of God Jesus Christ, how can I be the image of the devil st the sametime? You have to ve dead to one sin (the devil) to be alive unto another righteousnes (Jesus Christ). Jesus never died to establish a new type of sinner called a Christian sinner, God forbid. Jesus died so sinners can be Christians can be holy.
Romans 3:24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of -->sins that are past, being now
I was preaching 2nd Cor 6 &7. We have to come out of the churchs to be a seperate people. Come out from among them.
2nd Cor 6:14] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
[15] And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
[18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
2nd Cor 7:1] Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Moses, the Law giver, received the laws straight from God's mouth. They are Gods laws. He does not change his mind. Jesus didn't make new laws. He fulfilled them . Jesus fulfilled all the shadows of a type. All the tabernacle sacrifices pointed to him! After his death the CEREMONIAL laws ceased. Remember? The curtain was torn in the temple from top to bottom.
And in Daniel, the prophecy that Jesus would cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease: Jesus WAS the sacrifice. That is what he fulfilled. Once and for all.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Matt 10. 28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Roman's 6. 23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is (eternal life) through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 2. 7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Corinthians 15. 51-58
54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
2nd Timothy 1. 10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
So yes if you follow Christ and do the will of the Father we will abstain immortality.
Scripturally. (Hell)
Rev 21.8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Matt 25. 46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Rev 20. 10 10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20. 1414
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20. 15 15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
With much love and humility, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Thats for each person to decide what they wish to follow. I'm not the Author I'm just a messenger trying to speak the truth.
We should worship God every day. All the time. I agree with you.
But, God gives the directions for how he is to be worshipped. Look what happened to Cain. God told him how to worship, but Cain had his own ideas. He brought a sacrifice other than what God required. Look what happened to Aaron's sons when they brought strange fire. They died. Look what happened when David brought the ark to the city of David. One of the men reached out to stabilize it. He touched the ark and died.
We are not allowed to over ride God. God makes the rules for how and where and when he is to be worshipped. He said the seventh day. Period.
By alll means, go have fellowship on Sunday and on Wednesday nights. And do Bible study's on Tuesday and Thursday. And take a Bible class on Monday. But none of those days are the sabbath day. The sabbath is the seventh day. Saturday.
This point will become a serious issue in the near future when the Papal system requires Sunday worship. Once it is a law, then you will know that it is the "mark" of the beast.
The papal system is the beast of revelation . The church fathers of Protestant era thought so. Look it up. Martin Luther in particular.
Again a very backwards teaching as we are washed from sin not cleansed. The reason why you sin and can't stop sinning is because you are a slave to it a slave to the devil. The apostle Paul preached in Romans 6:18 "Being then made free from sin ye become the servants of righteousness" (Jesus) The apostle Paul is just like me an ex-sinner saved by grace.
John 8:34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
[35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
[36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
The apostle Paul did not say he sins daily. He dies daily and not to sin, but to the things of the world. We have to die daily as Paul picked up from Jesus teaching.
John 9:41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
We are to be blind remain dead to sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. The wages of sin is death/hell firer and brimstone. The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven. This eliminates 99% of all Christians as they claim they can not be righteous free from sin.
1st Cor 6:9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Romans 6:[20] For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
[21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
[22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Good luck in being heard as God does not hear the prays of sinners. We see this everyday people dying in the hospital or looking for an out because of their pain and God hasn't heard them yet. A saved sinner means is a righteous person.
Again a very backwards teaching. Genesis 1:26 the words "Let us" and NOT "Let me" plural as God was talking to somebody in heaven and it was not Lucifer. God was talking to his Son as the bible tells us that there was always somebody with God at all times in the old testament. To say that Jesus was God and was one of the angels or whatever funny teachings you received from church is not the bible truth but some perverted doctrine of devils and seducing spirit. God had a Son known as the Holy One in the bible in the old testament. God the Son is just a man made gospel from the pit of hell as God the Son never lived a day on the earth, more or less die for my sins. Can't make the blind to see or lame to walk in the name of God the Son. The Son of God Jesus Christ sure can make the blind to seem death to hear and lame to walk. The Holy One came down not God. God was not Superman to become a human being. Don't know where you get such funny gospel that Jesus was one of the angles or Jesus is God.
There is significant danger in believing that dead people are ghosts floating around and aware of what's going on.
1, It leads to consulting the dead ( Demons impersonating our dead relatives) . The Catholics pray to dead saints. Dead people!
2. The Catholic system of purgatory leads people to believe that they can live like the devil and get a second chance in purgatory. And, the Vatican made a fortune getting people to pay to get dead relatives out of purgatory. Huge scam.
3. When Jesus was on the mount of transfiguration, Moses and Elijah were there in their physical bodies. Moses had had a special resurrection. ( the devil argued over his body). Elijah didn't die but was carried away in the chariot.
4. When Jesus told the thief "I tell you today you will be with me in paradise". They didn't use commas in Hebrew. So, it depends where the comma is placed. " I tell you today, you will be with be in paradise". Not " I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."
Jesus feeding the multitude is nothing new in the bible it happened before in the bible. Nothing new under the sun. Jesus feeding the multitude was to show who he was the new King of the Jews the Son of God the messiah as promised. According to 2nd Kings 4:38-44, this was foreshadowing Jesus.
2nd Kings 4:38] And Elisha came again to Gilgal: and there was a dearth in the land; and the sons of the prophets were sitting before him: and he said unto his servant, Set on the great pot, and seethe pottage for the sons of the prophets.
[39] And one went out into the field to gather herbs, and found a wild vine, and gathered thereof wild gourds his lap full, and came and shred them into the pot of pottage: for they knew them not.
[40] So they poured out for the men to eat. And it came to pass, as they were eating of the pottage, that they cried out, and said, O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof.
[41] But he said, Then bring meal. And he cast it into the pot; and he said, Pour out for the people, that they may eat. And there was no harm in the pot.
[42] And there came a man from Baal-shalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat.
[43] And his servitor said, What, should I set this before an hundred men? He said again, Give the people, that they may eat: for thus saith the LORD, They shall eat, and shall leave thereof.
[44] So he set it before them, and they did eat, and left thereof, according to the word of the LORD.
Ecc 1:9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Genesis 2:1-3
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished,and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh Day GOD ended his work which he had made;and he rested on the seventh Day from all his work which he had made.3 And GOD blessed the seventh Day,and sanctified it:because that in it GOD had rested from all His work which GOD created and made.
In fact,in the beginning,i.e. in JESUS was the Word,the Word is GOD,understand?And by/through JESUS all things created by GOD the Father were made by JESUS;and without JESUS was not any thing made that was made,understand?
On the other hand, when GOD planned to restore or restitution ALL THINGS in six Days- Acts 3:20-21-, and to rest in the seventh Day, in fact ALL THINS which GOD described in His plan- Genesis 1- He called those things which were not as though they were. GOD is Omnipotent, Ominscient and Ominpresent.When GOD said in to rest in the seventh Day, He was speaking and revealing of His rest in this CURRENT MILLENNIUM,that is the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day.
For your better understanding, you must remember that JESUS,the Greater Light, was sent by GOD the Father around 4000 years after Adam,or around 2000 years ago.In fact it still was the fourth Day, understand? GOD,the Father,was still WORKING when He sent JESUS here,understand?Even my Lord JESUS said and revealed that the Father still was working- John 5:17:
JESUS said still in the fourth Day:My Father worketh hitherto,and I work.In fact,the sixth Day has just ended,we have just entered the seventh and last Day,we are living in the beginning of the last millennium,the blessed seventh and last Day of the rest of GOD the Father.From now on JESUS takes command of the Universe
Be careful and get ready.From Adam until JESUS passed around 4000 years
From JESUS until this current time have passed around 2000 years.The sixth GOD's Day just finished.We are living exactly the turn of the sixth to the seventh Day.
Get ready
His name was Michael the archangel. The leader of the angels. God was living among his creation, the angels.
How is that far fetched?
James, 1:25- But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed
James, 2:14- What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
James, 2:18- 18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
James, 2:22-Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
James, 2:24 -Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James, 2:26-For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
EVENTUALLY
If works are not present after knowing the truth in the word of God and accepting it, it is because your faith is false.
(Faith = believe)in the word of God and put it into(practice = works)so the works come automatically otherwise it is faith does not come from God and this faith cannot save you!!
THE FAITH
GRACE
REPENTANCE
PRACTICE GOOD WORKS
BAD WORK = SIN
GOOD WORK = SAVE AND SANCTIFY
It is good works that demonstrate that a person is saved
You cannot(BELIEVE = FAITH)in the word without
(PRACTICE = WORK)and you cannot(PRACTICE = WORK)without having heard, received and believed in the word.
So yes if you follow Christ and do the will of the Father we will (abtain) immortality.
Not (abstain) like in the previous post.
ATTENTION: Beware of false teachers, pastors, prophets.
HERE IS THE CONTROVERSIAL VERSE
Ephesians, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
(it is by grace that you are saved);
FOR WHAT
Because it is used without taking into consideration the entire Bible.
LET'S START, FOLLOW ME WITH YOUR BIBLE!
Titus, 1:16 They professthat they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Ephesians, 2:10- For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Philippians, 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Hebrews, 13:21 - 21] Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Titus, 2:7- In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing
Colossians, 1:10- That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
WARNING
Romans, 13:12 -The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the worksof darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Ephesians, 5:11 - And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works ofdarkness, but rather reprove them.
GOD JUDGES WHAT????
1 Peter, 1:17- 17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Romans, 2:6 - Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
YOU CANNOT HAVE FAITH WITHOUT PRODUCING GOOD WORKS.
You wrote: "Until we draw the last breath , we must battle. And, the battle is ourselves!"
But the battle is not ourselves only, "but against the wiles of the Devil, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, wherefore take unto you the whole armour of GOD, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand- Ephesians 6:11-13".
Revelation 16:13-15
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs(why frogs?) come out of the MOUTH of the dragon, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast(Beast of sea- Revelation 13:1-10), and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet (the false messiah, FALSE LAMB- Revelation 13:11- AN IMPOSTOR- John 5:43-47. Take a look.)
14 For they are the spirits of devils (a saatanic trinity), working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of GOD Almighty (that is the Lord's Day, the seventh nd last Day or seventh and last millennium, the current millennium).
15 Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Daniel 12:12 - Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Daniel 12:10 - Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
2nd Cor 3:sufficiency is of God;
[6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[9] For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[10] For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[11] For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
[12] Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[13] And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[14] But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
Hebrews 8: 7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
God bless you.
Consider it done!!!
I will touch base with you this weekend.
God bless.
And likewise with Colossians 3:10, the text doesn't allow for such an interpretation (i.e. of God creating Jesus). Paul is writing about two 'persons': the new man (i.e. the human being renewed by the Spirit), and of God (Who creates in His (God's) Image). So, it doesn't speak of Jesus, but of man who was once created in God's Image (Adam), & then after the fall, that image was marred, which necessitated a re-creation of that image in man. And to do this, man had to be changed inwardly (becoming a 'new man'), who now is being "renewed in knowledge" into the image of the One (God) Who created him (man). Yes, we do have 2 Corinthians 4:4 & Colossians 1:15 to support your use of 'image' as to Christ's 'creation', but we also have Genesis 1:27 & 1 Corinthians 11:7 to support man being made in God's Image. But to put Christ in Colossians 3:10 would violate the point of that verse which is directed to man's renewal.
Lastly, you wrote that you "don't really relish the idea of a big debate". That puzzled me since you initiated those questions for our responses. If we gave responses without 'debate/discussion', then the whole exercise would be entirely fruitless & pointless. So maybe you just wanted to share your understanding of those verses, but not willing to defend your beliefs; and these matters (of Christ's Divinity, eternal judgement, etc.) are vital to Christians & also in the preaching of the Gospel. Without these fundamentals, we have no Gospel - we have no message of liberty & hope to share with a lost world.
I would like to ask for prayer for my son, Rob. He will be starting TMS therapy for depression beginning tomorrow, since medications have not been effective for him. This therapy involves repetitive magnetic pulses delivered to the brain. It is FDA approved and has had very promising results for many people. Please pray that God will cause this therapy to be effective in stimulating long repressed cranial nerves to begin working properly again and to suppress the working of cranial nerves that lead to negative thought patterns and depressed mood.
I pray for him often, but did just pray yesterday for God to bring healing to the physical aspects of his brain that promote depression. And here today, he informs us of this new therapy he will begin tomorrow. I am happy to know that there are some new medical therapies to treat depression. Praise the Lord for this breakthrough.
I certainly appreciate all who would be led to pray for Rob. The therapy is a 5 days a week half-hour session for 4-6 weeks. He may need to take time off of work to make appointments since the clinic is almost 2 hours away, so would be a half of a work day off each day. Pray that all works out that he can et morning appointments so he can get to work in the afternoons to evenings at his present job. He gets insurance from this job, so he needs to retain it.
Thank you.
Shabbat Keeper, where in the Bible does it say that Michael the archangel is God?
Again, I do not think that believing that a person lives on without a body after death necessarily leads to spiritism. That is an
erroneous assumption.
I do not think, though, that our dead loved ones in Christ are watching over us and involved in our life here. I believe that they
are with the Lord and that involves not knowing what is happening here on earth. That is what the Scripture is talking about
when it says that the dead know nothing-that is, nothing of the goings on of this world and life.
Eternal life is received when we believe and when we die, only our body dies. But eternal life is a completely different kind of life
that earthly life. it is a completely different realm of existence, of which we cannot pierce the veil in this life, nor can those
believers who have passed from death into life pierce the veil between eternal life and earthly life.
I guess we will just have to accept that we differ in our views on this and we will find out when we die what is true.
I have never advocated communicating with the dead. But I do believe that the Bible teaches what Jesus said that those who believe in Him, though one dies, will live forever.
My understanding of the Sabbath commandment is to rest on the 7th day, but not a commandment to go to church. So going to
Sunday worship services is perfectly permissible but not mandatory. And the Sabbath rest for believer is in Christ Jesus-
Heb. 4:3-rather than a specific day of the week. The commandment is a shadow of what was to come in Christ. We rest
everyday in Him because we do not work for our salvation in any way. He did the work of salvation for us. It is still good practice
to have times of rest during the week, whether a day or specific times of each day.
If you wish to keep the Sabbath as was proscribed by the OT law, you are free to do so. And if one keeps every day the same,
that is permissible according to Romans 14:5.
You said "Before Jesus was born in Bethlehem, what was he doing? He was living among his angels, as Michael".
What you are preaching is not true, but a false interpretation of the Word of GOD.
Michael was never born from the womb of Mary, Michael was never the Word made flesh as you suggest and are preaching, actually, what you are preaching it is tares invented by the spirit of lie, or rather, invented by the father of lie- John 8:44-45.
By the way, my Lord JESUS Himself sent Michael for this War against the old Serpent, called the Devil and Satan, now in the time of Apocalypse also called the great Dragon - Revelation 12:9. Take a look.
Furthermore, we which are alive and remain unto the coming of my Lord JESUS shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven(in His coming) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel -MICHAEL-, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first (as is written in Daniel 12:1-3): Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord: and so shall we ever be with the Lord, according to the preaching of Paul Apostle to the Church of Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 4. Take a look.
You must to re-study the matter and to stop preaching that satanic lie of the father of lie. In fact, the battle, the War, is against him and his messengers, not against you in person.
The Word is GOD, self-executable, understand?
Romans 3:24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of -->sins that are past, being now
2nd Cor 6:14] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
[15] And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
[18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
2nd Cor 7:1] Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
And in Daniel, the prophecy that Jesus would cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease: Jesus WAS the sacrifice. That is what he fulfilled. Once and for all.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Matt 10. 28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Roman's 6. 23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is (eternal life) through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 2. 7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Corinthians 15. 51-58
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So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
2nd Timothy 1. 10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
So yes if you follow Christ and do the will of the Father we will abstain immortality.
Scripturally. (Hell)
Rev 21.8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Matt 25. 46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Rev 20. 10 10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20. 1414
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20. 15 15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
With much love and humility, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Thats for each person to decide what they wish to follow. I'm not the Author I'm just a messenger trying to speak the truth.
May God Bless you without measure.
But, God gives the directions for how he is to be worshipped. Look what happened to Cain. God told him how to worship, but Cain had his own ideas. He brought a sacrifice other than what God required. Look what happened to Aaron's sons when they brought strange fire. They died. Look what happened when David brought the ark to the city of David. One of the men reached out to stabilize it. He touched the ark and died.
We are not allowed to over ride God. God makes the rules for how and where and when he is to be worshipped. He said the seventh day. Period.
By alll means, go have fellowship on Sunday and on Wednesday nights. And do Bible study's on Tuesday and Thursday. And take a Bible class on Monday. But none of those days are the sabbath day. The sabbath is the seventh day. Saturday.
This point will become a serious issue in the near future when the Papal system requires Sunday worship. Once it is a law, then you will know that it is the "mark" of the beast.
The papal system is the beast of revelation . The church fathers of Protestant era thought so. Look it up. Martin Luther in particular.
John 8:34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
[35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
[36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
The apostle Paul did not say he sins daily. He dies daily and not to sin, but to the things of the world. We have to die daily as Paul picked up from Jesus teaching.
John 9:41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
We are to be blind remain dead to sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. The wages of sin is death/hell firer and brimstone. The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven. This eliminates 99% of all Christians as they claim they can not be righteous free from sin.
1st Cor 6:9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Romans 6:[20] For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
[21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
[22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Good luck in being heard as God does not hear the prays of sinners. We see this everyday people dying in the hospital or looking for an out because of their pain and God hasn't heard them yet. A saved sinner means is a righteous person.
Habakkuk 3:[3] God came from Teman, -->andand
1, It leads to consulting the dead ( Demons impersonating our dead relatives) . The Catholics pray to dead saints. Dead people!
2. The Catholic system of purgatory leads people to believe that they can live like the devil and get a second chance in purgatory. And, the Vatican made a fortune getting people to pay to get dead relatives out of purgatory. Huge scam.
3. When Jesus was on the mount of transfiguration, Moses and Elijah were there in their physical bodies. Moses had had a special resurrection. ( the devil argued over his body). Elijah didn't die but was carried away in the chariot.
4. When Jesus told the thief "I tell you today you will be with me in paradise". They didn't use commas in Hebrew. So, it depends where the comma is placed. " I tell you today, you will be with be in paradise". Not " I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."
There's more but I'll stop here.
2nd Kings 4:38] And Elisha came again to Gilgal: and there was a dearth in the land; and the sons of the prophets were sitting before him: and he said unto his servant, Set on the great pot, and seethe pottage for the sons of the prophets.
[39] And one went out into the field to gather herbs, and found a wild vine, and gathered thereof wild gourds his lap full, and came and shred them into the pot of pottage: for they knew them not.
[40] So they poured out for the men to eat. And it came to pass, as they were eating of the pottage, that they cried out, and said, O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof.
[41] But he said, Then bring meal. And he cast it into the pot; and he said, Pour out for the people, that they may eat. And there was no harm in the pot.
[42] And there came a man from Baal-shalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat.
[43] And his servitor said, What, should I set this before an hundred men? He said again, Give the people, that they may eat: for thus saith the LORD, They shall eat, and shall leave thereof.
[44] So he set it before them, and they did eat, and left thereof, according to the word of the LORD.
Ecc 1:9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.