Are you saying, Shabbat Keeper, that it would be a scary thought that unbelievers will just cease to exist upon dying? Just clarifying. But if that is the case, I doubt if it would be scary for them since they have already died ( Ecclesiastes 9:5) - or have I missed something?
If I were an unbeliever & continued to resist the Gospel of Salvation, knowing that only death & no more was the end of my mortal existence, I would live it up even more while I still have breath - for tomorrow I die & will be no more. What then is the Gospel that we preach? For what purpose did Christ have to come & die? Why did He have to bear the sins of the world with God's Wrath/Punishment, if the unbeliever has none of it to confront him after death? And lastly, if death alone is the punishment, then both believer & unbeliever alike have to face death one day if the Lord tarries. Now if the believer by his faith & God's Mercy never ever tastes of physical death (maybe he gets to old age & then raptured), then maybe there is some small message of hope to the unbeliever in such a Gospel.
Hello Shabbat Keeper , it is a scary thought ,to many , to cease to exist , except when we realise that we won't know that we don't exist and that a much scarier thought , to me anyway , is to exist eternally being tortured day and night by demons ! Now that's a terrifying thought ! Which is why the Catholics preached this fable , in order to terrify people into doing what they wanted and believing what they wanted them to . God is love and there is no fear in love . He wants us with Him in love not in terror . The wages of sin is death , the cessation of life . Much love to you in Christ , our life :) .
With regards to wilderness where John resorted to has also a spiritual underpinning. Israel went whoring after foreign gods despite of God being with the mouth of Moses and as Hosea says, "Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her./And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt."(Hos.2:14-15). This experience was to extend a door of hope to the reprobate.
What signifies the valley of Achor where Achan was buried,- a place to mark the sin of one caused the entire nation to lose a battle they were sure to win? "And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day."(Josh.7:26) Notice the usage of 'unto this day' in the verse? The Spirit as ever is tying to the Advent of the Son who was sure to come. Malachi sets John as well the Son of man, in this verse,"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts."Mal.3:1. This leads to the day of the Lord, for the disobedient.
Forty years of wandering of the nation was like the blind stumbling all over unable to find the right way is contrasted with 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."
"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."(1 Co.10:11-12) We are pilgrims and sojourners at present.
"In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,/And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand./For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."(Matt.3:1-3)
Firstly we have the voice in the wilderness, and it refers to the passage from the Book of Isaiah. "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God." (Is.40:3). This we may track historically to the calling of a nation in bondage. God appeared to Moses while he was tending the flock, 'And he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb'. Can there be voice without one who speaks? In this case we have God himself the Cause. The same who framed the worlds with his word. He commands, "Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say."(Ex.4:12). It has been thus from the first which from the much quoted verse,"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."(2 Co.4:6)
The sound of the word has gone forth and it went into all the earth, it is the gospel of peace.(Ro.10:18) As with Moses so was with Ezekiel and Jeremiah. In the year King Uzziah died God commissioned Prophet Isaiah with it. Thus the entire history of the nation of Israel is bound with holy men of old speaking the same theme, of the coming of the kingdom of heaven, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,/Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son."(He.1:1-2)
The ministry of John belonged to the same word as a herald "(Is.40:9)
Every human God creates is entitled to live. We have been given a "self-preservation" instinct that shows us that God wants life to not be snuffed out. We can look at every one we see through eyes of love and prayer. We can pray for Their protection and provision, their wholeness and well-being, their deliverance from evil forces, and their salvation through Christ our Lord.
We can show how we value the life of others in many ways. And we should want to bring a blessing to those we meet. We should desire to be a good example and witness for Jesus to others. And we should care in ways that meet a true need.
I hope you have a great evening, Carleton. It is always good to hear from you.
Hi, good for you to leave that church after the pastor said the KJV wasn't written by God! That is true discernment!
A South African Seventh Day Adventist pastor named Walter Veith has a great series on the subject of Bible translations . It is quite lengthy. It's on YouTube channel called, "Clash of Minds". On the homepage of that YouTube channel, you can find the series called " Total Onslaught". Specifically Videos #13 and #14.
The Total Onslaught series has 35 videos. They are all over an hour. Anyway, maybe Pastor Veith can be your pastor:). He is a comforting person to listen to and has quite a personal testimony. I listen to him and trust him.
I pray the peace of God cover you and bless you. :) much love in Christ. Amen!
God's word is the way lover that the Heavenly Father shows his grace, kindness, and mercy to the regretted soul and is willing to change for the best life in Jesus Christ.
97MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
98Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
99I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
100I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
101I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.
102I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.
103How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Christian Greetings GIGI, I like your thoughts, especially about the circle that is here in this little online fellowship! Here we can try to express our understandings without a face or a smile or handshake and it is good. I began with the thought of sacredness of life and its various relationships in doctrine and practice of the Church in the visible form. With bodies! Sacred is holy and a new born member of the living church is known by name and perhaps family. Paul noted that brethren gave he and Barnabus "the right hand of fellowship". This greeting is good but misses the depth of the bond of love in the practice of the holy kiss. Members can know (the practice still sometimes used is brothers with brothers and sisters with sisters with a dry kiss) the mutual love and rich blessing on occasion.
I think this scripture is an important foundation to the sacredness of life and the holy salutation (by the lips).
"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart feverently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever" 1 Peter 1:22-23
It is the pureness of this kiss because such a change was made that passes that unfeigned love and it makes for unity by the Spirit.
This practice for those that practice it at all is hard on the flesh and therefore somewhat rare in occurence. It takes a little extra grace to move from the name and handshake and initiate the Kiss. So then the Holy Kiss is related not only to the sacredness of life but also to the very present Church of believers and the lack of resistance by grace by the flesh to heed to the spiritual.
You are your own judge jury and executioner at the end of the day. You judge yourself unworthy of everlasting life and not God judges you, he passes down the sentence as you judged yourself.
Acts 13:[46] Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
2nd Cor 13:5] Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
1st Cor 11:31] For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
When you can't judge yourself, how do you expect to judge angels.
1st Cor 6:3] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
[4] If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
The person you wake up to each day is the one who will be judging you. God will not judge you, neither does Jesus. You judge yourself.
Romans 8:6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
You said in your post that according to John Wesley,"Michael here is commonly supposed to mean Christ."So you are working with the supposition that "The early Protestant leaders believed" it be. And you are also believing in their suppositions and false interpretations of the Word of GOD spreading here and elsewhere what they preached according to their suppositiions, and speculations, and conjectures.
You posted that a certain Joo Gill said: "and is no other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated angel who is 'one' or the first of the chief princes." But What does the Word of GOD say? Hebrews 1:1-8
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of THE PERSON of GOD the Father, and upholding all things by the word of His power( Matthew 28:18.Take a look), when Had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4Being made so much better THAN THE ANGELS, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent NAME than they.
5For UNTO WHICH OF THE ANGELS said He(GOD the Father)at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to me a Son?(Yeah, to which of the angels GOD the Father said that?)
6And again,when GOD bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,He saith, And let all the angels of GOD worship Him.
7And of the angels GOD saith,Who maketh His angels spirits(winds),and His ministers a flame of fire.
8But unto the Son GOD the Father saith:Thy throne,O God,is for ever and ever:a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
JESUS is God,the KING of the kings,and LORD of the lords,understand?Even Michael said to Joshua:I am the captain of the host of the LORD.(Michael is a lord too)
What you are preaching is not true, but a false interpretation of the Word of GOD. Unfortunately you have drunk from the cup of demons and are scattering the chaff you received from them. No surprise for the Word is GOD, self-executing, and by His Spirit warned His people saying:"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils;Speaking lies in hypocrisy;having their conscience seared with hot iron-1Ti.4:1-2
Michael was never born from the womb of Mary, Michael was never the Word made flesh as you suggest and are preaching, actually, what you are preaching it is tares invented by the spirit of lie, or rather, invented by the father of lie- John 8:44-45.
By the way, my Lord JESUS Himself sent Michael for this War against the old Serpent, called the Devil and Satan, now, in the time of Apocalypse, also is called of great Dragon- Revelation 12:9.Take a look. In fact, Michael is very very similar to JESUS, but he is not JESUS,quite the opposite,Michael is subordinate/subject/subaltern to JESUS,understand?
By the way, the MAN CHILD- Revelation 12:1-5-is Michael,not JESUS.
Furthermore, we which are alive and remain unto the coming of my Lord JESUS shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven(in His coming)with a shout,with the voice of the archangel-MICHAEL-,and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first(as is written in Daniel 12:1-3):Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord: and so shall we ever be with the Lord, according to the preaching of Paul Apostle to the Church of Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 4. Take a look.
You must to re-study the matter and to stop preaching that satanic lie of the father of lie. In fact, the battle, the War, is against him and his messengers, not against you in person.
I am in agreement with what GiGi has shared and if I might "piggyback" and share something, in 1 Timothy 2:9-10, Paul gives instructions concerning dress.
To adorn means to dress. In fact, the Greek word is where we get our word cosmetics from. To put on an appearance would be a good general description of what he's saying here. Modest apparel is something that's orderly, acceptably, and decent.
The word shamefacedness is an old English word representing the Greek word that has to do with orderly or Godly fear.
Paul goes on to say not with broided, or braided hair. This has to do with that in those times, the women would braid their hair and then wrap it up into a bun. They used to call it the "bee-hive."
So they would wrap their hair up on top of their head, and then they would weave jewelry in and out of it. And then they would go to church. Do you think anyone's going to notice them? Oh yes!
But you see, that's the whole point here. With braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly garments. But be presentable in that which becomes women who profess godliness that they belong to God, through good works. The word good (Agathos) is spiritual good.
In essence, what he's saying is don't be a distraction. Don't try to "gussy" yourself up to look your absolute best so that people would notice you.
On the other hand, don't try to dress as lousy as you can so that people notice you. People are going to notice you and be distracted from the purpose of being there, which is to learn of the Lord and worship Him, and have fellowship together.
Thank you Pnovello, another faithful prayer partner here.
Rob is getting his first treatment right now and my husband and I are with him. We pray that God will touch his brain through this therapy and heal it both physically and that God will heal his emotions and bring him to faith once again, healing him spiritually. He has 6 weeks of treatment ahead (and lots of driving to and fro since the clinic is two hours away. We hope he will allow us to come to appointments with him as support. He is 36 and has been dealing with depression and anxiety for 20 years. But more recently has actually pursued treatment more thoughtfully. So, hopefully he finally wills to be well, and will yield to the work of God in him.
Thank you, Jesse, Rob is getting his first treatment right now. We are all hopeful that this therapy will prove effective for Him. It was FDA approved about 10 years ago and is slowly becoming available across the U.S. and insurance companies are now paying for it. So, it is a real blessing to have been developed in our time.
Yes, there are so many ways we can give love to others. Brethren in Christ can greet each other in holy ways. Paul speaks of a "holy kiss". That must have been customary to do so in His culture. In ours, a "holy hug", "handshake", or "pat on the shoulder" can be such as a holy kiss. A cheerful, friendly, and sincere verbal greeting is always welcome. Willingness to stop and pray for or with someone is another way we engage lovingly with others. Sharing meals with others works well.
We can become isolated from the love and affections so easily in our fast paced lifestyles, and especially online, it is easy to be aloof even when posting thoughts. I do know there are many on this forum who do not or rarely post, but they are ones in our fellowship circle here. We should be mindful and prayerful for these who do not communicate much, but read what is posted. May they all be blessed this day in the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.
In Genesis you can read how Isaac's servant, Eliezar, took jewelry with him to the family of Rebekkah and when taking her for Isaac's wife, put bracelets, necklaces and a ring in her nose. This was customary practice for that time and was not disallowed by Scripture.
In Paul's epistle, he does speak of women adorning themselves with humility and godliness, as opposed to the proud way women displayed themselves at that time with fine jewels and clothing and hairstyles. He was not prohibiting the wearing of such things, but speaking to the way a Christian woman should wish to be adorned inwardly, in her character that shows forth in her way of life, which commends her to others, whether she wears jewelry, braids her hair, or by her clothing. The inward character defines a person, not what is shown outwardly as far as fashion.
Very true, Amasuca, our pedigree or credentials do not merit us anything before God.
yet, we are to study and show ourselves approved of God. So, we are not to turn away from study of God's Word, using the mind God blessed us with to understand what the Spirit is teaching us in our studies. And if we are able to write thoughtful words that align with Scripture, that skill can be used of God to help others understand spiritual ideas. If we have a gift for orating, then God can use that speech to help others learn and mature in Christ. We should apply ourselves in every way God avails to take hold of the truth of Scripture and to draw near to God in Christ. We can train our minds to learn from Scripture, the preaching and teaching of others, and from our times of quietly meditating on the things of God while the Holy Spirit fills us with understanding in all of these instances.
It is better to become literate than to remain illiterate. Being literate and able to read and reason allows us to not only learn from Scripture but also to be discerning of what others say about God and His Word, being able to recognize false teaching from true teaching.
Yet, God is above and beyond our abilities or lack thereof and is more than able to bring truth to our inward being. He is the One who provides and allows us to come to know the truth and Him in Jesus Christ.
Dstviiiv, I agree with RicoUS and Shabbat. It is only through Jesus that prayers are answered. Please don't read the catholic bible. Read the KJV BIBLE.
What Elijiah had in the old testament is different to what we have today. He did have the Holy Spirit, however, it was limited to certain people and not for all mankind today after the cross. What took place in Elijiah's day was before the cross, before the crucifition and rssurection of Jesus. After the cross it is a different story.
Acts 2:16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
[19] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
[21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
David, Samuel, Isaiah etc. had the Holy spirit like Elijiah, however, it was very limited in the old testament.
Psalm 51:11] Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
1st Samuel 9:9] (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)
Heavenly Father, I pray that this new medical therapy be successful for Rob. We believe that all things are possible since we believe in Your Word. Father God, You sent Your beloved son, Jesus to heal Rob. Jesus, You sacrificed Your life for Rob.
We also pray that his job will always be there. Rob will be a living testimony of Your love, mercy and grace. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ.
Thank You Father God, Thank You Jesus and Thank You Holy Spirit.
Gigi, please keep me posted. Love you my sister in Christ. God bless you and your family.
Elijah was never sent to the cross and died for my sin. It was Jesus Christ the Son of God who paid it all for me and not Elijah. What you have is a very bad teaching. Elijah served as an example of a man of God, however, he did not send the Holy Ghost down nor did he give gifts unto mankind. What Elijiah did in the Old Testament was before the cross, we are after the cross in Christ and not in Elijiah. The bible does not teach, that Elijah was a double for people. Bring me the scripture? It does not exist. An antiChrist Gospel for sure and not out of the mouth of God, as there are no scriptures to back up what you are saying.
Jesus came and spoke words of spirit and life from what he heard from God his Father John 6:63. Jesus never spoke his own words, he received words from his Father in heaven. After the cross, Christ is in me by faith as it is Christ in me the hope of glory. I don't hope you make heaven, I posess that hope in Christ Jesus.
St. Paul was talking about the gifts of the spirit not about the spirit of Elijiah as Jesus sent the Holy Ghost and not the spirit of Elijiah to mankind.
John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The gifts of the spirit is the result/ evidence of the Holy Ghost and not Elijiah's spirit.
Ephesians 4:[8] Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
If I were an unbeliever & continued to resist the Gospel of Salvation, knowing that only death & no more was the end of my mortal existence, I would live it up even more while I still have breath - for tomorrow I die & will be no more. What then is the Gospel that we preach? For what purpose did Christ have to come & die? Why did He have to bear the sins of the world with God's Wrath/Punishment, if the unbeliever has none of it to confront him after death? And lastly, if death alone is the punishment, then both believer & unbeliever alike have to face death one day if the Lord tarries. Now if the believer by his faith & God's Mercy never ever tastes of physical death (maybe he gets to old age & then raptured), then maybe there is some small message of hope to the unbeliever in such a Gospel.
"Behold your God"
With regards to wilderness where John resorted to has also a spiritual underpinning. Israel went whoring after foreign gods despite of God being with the mouth of Moses and as Hosea says, "Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her./And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt."(Hos.2:14-15). This experience was to extend a door of hope to the reprobate.
What signifies the valley of Achor where Achan was buried,- a place to mark the sin of one caused the entire nation to lose a battle they were sure to win? "And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day."(Josh.7:26) Notice the usage of 'unto this day' in the verse? The Spirit as ever is tying to the Advent of the Son who was sure to come. Malachi sets John as well the Son of man, in this verse,"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts."Mal.3:1. This leads to the day of the Lord, for the disobedient.
Forty years of wandering of the nation was like the blind stumbling all over unable to find the right way is contrasted with 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."
"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."(1 Co.10:11-12) We are pilgrims and sojourners at present.
(Is.52:7) (Nah.1:15)
"In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,/And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand./For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."(Matt.3:1-3)
Firstly we have the voice in the wilderness, and it refers to the passage from the Book of Isaiah. "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God." (Is.40:3). This we may track historically to the calling of a nation in bondage. God appeared to Moses while he was tending the flock, 'And he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb'. Can there be voice without one who speaks? In this case we have God himself the Cause. The same who framed the worlds with his word. He commands, "Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say."(Ex.4:12). It has been thus from the first which from the much quoted verse,"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."(2 Co.4:6)
The sound of the word has gone forth and it went into all the earth, it is the gospel of peace.(Ro.10:18) As with Moses so was with Ezekiel and Jeremiah. In the year King Uzziah died God commissioned Prophet Isaiah with it. Thus the entire history of the nation of Israel is bound with holy men of old speaking the same theme, of the coming of the kingdom of heaven, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,/Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son."(He.1:1-2)
The ministry of John belonged to the same word as a herald "(Is.40:9)
There is a BOOK it's the LAMBS book of life. Your name needs to be there, and so does mine.
You must've not read were I typed "All those things are good", but I get it.
We can justify ourselves, or we can be justified by the only who can do that for us.
I make no apologies for my comment. I did read yours. However it didn't convince me of anything more important
than having my name written in the LAMBS book of LIFE.
My intention was not to convey anything other than that. "All those things are good" but the most important thing
above all else is that your name is written in the that BOOK. The LAMBS BOOK of LIFE.
Totally agree with your comments of the state of soul in death and totally agree that eternal life is granted only to those in Christ.
Scary thought to cease to exist! But, that's exactly right! The satanic Vatican is behind the change of understanding.
Every human God creates is entitled to live. We have been given a "self-preservation" instinct that shows us that God wants life to not be snuffed out. We can look at every one we see through eyes of love and prayer. We can pray for Their protection and provision, their wholeness and well-being, their deliverance from evil forces, and their salvation through Christ our Lord.
We can show how we value the life of others in many ways. And we should want to bring a blessing to those we meet. We should desire to be a good example and witness for Jesus to others. And we should care in ways that meet a true need.
I hope you have a great evening, Carleton. It is always good to hear from you.
A South African Seventh Day Adventist pastor named Walter Veith has a great series on the subject of Bible translations . It is quite lengthy. It's on YouTube channel called, "Clash of Minds". On the homepage of that YouTube channel, you can find the series called " Total Onslaught". Specifically Videos #13 and #14.
The Total Onslaught series has 35 videos. They are all over an hour. Anyway, maybe Pastor Veith can be your pastor:). He is a comforting person to listen to and has quite a personal testimony. I listen to him and trust him.
I pray the peace of God cover you and bless you. :) much love in Christ. Amen!
97MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
98Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
99I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
100I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
101I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.
102I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.
103How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
I think this scripture is an important foundation to the sacredness of life and the holy salutation (by the lips).
"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart feverently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever" 1 Peter 1:22-23
It is the pureness of this kiss because such a change was made that passes that unfeigned love and it makes for unity by the Spirit.
This practice for those that practice it at all is hard on the flesh and therefore somewhat rare in occurence. It takes a little extra grace to move from the name and handshake and initiate the Kiss. So then the Holy Kiss is related not only to the sacredness of life but also to the very present Church of believers and the lack of resistance by grace by the flesh to heed to the spiritual.
My after lunch thoughts.
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Acts 13:[46] Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
2nd Cor 13:5] Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
1st Cor 11:31] For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
When you can't judge yourself, how do you expect to judge angels.
1st Cor 6:3] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
[4] If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
The person you wake up to each day is the one who will be judging you. God will not judge you, neither does Jesus. You judge yourself.
Romans 8:6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
You said in your post that according to John Wesley,"Michael here is commonly supposed to mean Christ."So you are working with the supposition that "The early Protestant leaders believed" it be. And you are also believing in their suppositions and false interpretations of the Word of GOD spreading here and elsewhere what they preached according to their suppositiions, and speculations, and conjectures.
You posted that a certain Joo Gill said: "and is no other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated angel who is 'one' or the first of the chief princes." But What does the Word of GOD say? Hebrews 1:1-8
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of THE PERSON of GOD the Father, and upholding all things by the word of His power( Matthew 28:18.Take a look), when Had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4Being made so much better THAN THE ANGELS, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent NAME than they.
5For UNTO WHICH OF THE ANGELS said He(GOD the Father)at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to me a Son?(Yeah, to which of the angels GOD the Father said that?)
6And again,when GOD bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,He saith, And let all the angels of GOD worship Him.
7And of the angels GOD saith,Who maketh His angels spirits(winds),and His ministers a flame of fire.
8But unto the Son GOD the Father saith:Thy throne,O God,is for ever and ever:a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
JESUS is God,the KING of the kings,and LORD of the lords,understand?Even Michael said to Joshua:I am the captain of the host of the LORD.(Michael is a lord too)
What you are preaching is not true, but a false interpretation of the Word of GOD. Unfortunately you have drunk from the cup of demons and are scattering the chaff you received from them. No surprise for the Word is GOD, self-executing, and by His Spirit warned His people saying:"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils;Speaking lies in hypocrisy;having their conscience seared with hot iron-1Ti.4:1-2
Michael was never born from the womb of Mary, Michael was never the Word made flesh as you suggest and are preaching, actually, what you are preaching it is tares invented by the spirit of lie, or rather, invented by the father of lie- John 8:44-45.
By the way, my Lord JESUS Himself sent Michael for this War against the old Serpent, called the Devil and Satan, now, in the time of Apocalypse, also is called of great Dragon- Revelation 12:9.Take a look. In fact, Michael is very very similar to JESUS, but he is not JESUS,quite the opposite,Michael is subordinate/subject/subaltern to JESUS,understand?
By the way, the MAN CHILD- Revelation 12:1-5-is Michael,not JESUS.
Furthermore, we which are alive and remain unto the coming of my Lord JESUS shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven(in His coming)with a shout,with the voice of the archangel-MICHAEL-,and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first(as is written in Daniel 12:1-3):Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord: and so shall we ever be with the Lord, according to the preaching of Paul Apostle to the Church of Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 4. Take a look.
You must to re-study the matter and to stop preaching that satanic lie of the father of lie. In fact, the battle, the War, is against him and his messengers, not against you in person.
The Word is GOD,self-executable,understand?
I am in agreement with what GiGi has shared and if I might "piggyback" and share something, in 1 Timothy 2:9-10, Paul gives instructions concerning dress.
To adorn means to dress. In fact, the Greek word is where we get our word cosmetics from. To put on an appearance would be a good general description of what he's saying here. Modest apparel is something that's orderly, acceptably, and decent.
The word shamefacedness is an old English word representing the Greek word that has to do with orderly or Godly fear.
Paul goes on to say not with broided, or braided hair. This has to do with that in those times, the women would braid their hair and then wrap it up into a bun. They used to call it the "bee-hive."
So they would wrap their hair up on top of their head, and then they would weave jewelry in and out of it. And then they would go to church. Do you think anyone's going to notice them? Oh yes!
But you see, that's the whole point here. With braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly garments. But be presentable in that which becomes women who profess godliness that they belong to God, through good works. The word good (Agathos) is spiritual good.
In essence, what he's saying is don't be a distraction. Don't try to "gussy" yourself up to look your absolute best so that people would notice you.
On the other hand, don't try to dress as lousy as you can so that people notice you. People are going to notice you and be distracted from the purpose of being there, which is to learn of the Lord and worship Him, and have fellowship together.
God bless!!!
Rob is getting his first treatment right now and my husband and I are with him. We pray that God will touch his brain through this therapy and heal it both physically and that God will heal his emotions and bring him to faith once again, healing him spiritually. He has 6 weeks of treatment ahead (and lots of driving to and fro since the clinic is two hours away. We hope he will allow us to come to appointments with him as support. He is 36 and has been dealing with depression and anxiety for 20 years. But more recently has actually pursued treatment more thoughtfully. So, hopefully he finally wills to be well, and will yield to the work of God in him.
Yes, there are so many ways we can give love to others. Brethren in Christ can greet each other in holy ways. Paul speaks of a "holy kiss". That must have been customary to do so in His culture. In ours, a "holy hug", "handshake", or "pat on the shoulder" can be such as a holy kiss. A cheerful, friendly, and sincere verbal greeting is always welcome. Willingness to stop and pray for or with someone is another way we engage lovingly with others. Sharing meals with others works well.
We can become isolated from the love and affections so easily in our fast paced lifestyles, and especially online, it is easy to be aloof even when posting thoughts. I do know there are many on this forum who do not or rarely post, but they are ones in our fellowship circle here. We should be mindful and prayerful for these who do not communicate much, but read what is posted. May they all be blessed this day in the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.
You can find accounts of John the Baptist int he beginning chapters of each gospel, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Read Matthew and Luke first, then Mark, then John.
In Genesis you can read how Isaac's servant, Eliezar, took jewelry with him to the family of Rebekkah and when taking her for Isaac's wife, put bracelets, necklaces and a ring in her nose. This was customary practice for that time and was not disallowed by Scripture.
In Paul's epistle, he does speak of women adorning themselves with humility and godliness, as opposed to the proud way women displayed themselves at that time with fine jewels and clothing and hairstyles. He was not prohibiting the wearing of such things, but speaking to the way a Christian woman should wish to be adorned inwardly, in her character that shows forth in her way of life, which commends her to others, whether she wears jewelry, braids her hair, or by her clothing. The inward character defines a person, not what is shown outwardly as far as fashion.
yet, we are to study and show ourselves approved of God. So, we are not to turn away from study of God's Word, using the mind God blessed us with to understand what the Spirit is teaching us in our studies. And if we are able to write thoughtful words that align with Scripture, that skill can be used of God to help others understand spiritual ideas. If we have a gift for orating, then God can use that speech to help others learn and mature in Christ. We should apply ourselves in every way God avails to take hold of the truth of Scripture and to draw near to God in Christ. We can train our minds to learn from Scripture, the preaching and teaching of others, and from our times of quietly meditating on the things of God while the Holy Spirit fills us with understanding in all of these instances.
It is better to become literate than to remain illiterate. Being literate and able to read and reason allows us to not only learn from Scripture but also to be discerning of what others say about God and His Word, being able to recognize false teaching from true teaching.
Yet, God is above and beyond our abilities or lack thereof and is more than able to bring truth to our inward being. He is the One who provides and allows us to come to know the truth and Him in Jesus Christ.
Thank You, Father God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Amen
Holy Spirit, fall fresh on us. We are willing to be Your servants to be used as living testimonies of Your power.
Father God, bless us with a successful day that will bring You glory and honor.
Father God, bless RicoUS by answering his pleas. Thank You.
In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ.
Acts 2:16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
[19] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
[21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
David, Samuel, Isaiah etc. had the Holy spirit like Elijiah, however, it was very limited in the old testament.
Psalm 51:11] Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
1st Samuel 9:9] (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)
We also pray that his job will always be there. Rob will be a living testimony of Your love, mercy and grace. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ.
Thank You Father God, Thank You Jesus and Thank You Holy Spirit.
Gigi, please keep me posted. Love you my sister in Christ. God bless you and your family.
Jesus came and spoke words of spirit and life from what he heard from God his Father John 6:63. Jesus never spoke his own words, he received words from his Father in heaven. After the cross, Christ is in me by faith as it is Christ in me the hope of glory. I don't hope you make heaven, I posess that hope in Christ Jesus.
St. Paul was talking about the gifts of the spirit not about the spirit of Elijiah as Jesus sent the Holy Ghost and not the spirit of Elijiah to mankind.
John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The gifts of the spirit is the result/ evidence of the Holy Ghost and not Elijiah's spirit.
Ephesians 4:[8] Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.