I've always been sickly, but never this much. On the very start of 2024 my throat began to swell really bad. It hurt when I coughed, and sometimes even when I swallowed
Eating food and regular activities began to become hard and I can't even sleep well
"The primitive (my emphasis) Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews before the Christians for a long time together, did keep their convocations upon the Sabbath in which some portions of the law were read and this continued till the time of the Laodician Council." The whole Works of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX p416 (Historical poof the church worshiped on Saturday until Constantine and the Catholic Church made it mandatory to worship on Sunday.)
I know the world has made it very hard for true believers to honor the 4th commandment. The other nine are getting that way too, but does that excuse us from obeying them? Again how do we justify ignoring the 4th commandment and not the other nine? Jesus' rest is a spiritual rest, the commandment is a physical, mental and spiritual rest. One doesn't replace the other. No scripture says that. There's no wrong in worshiping on Sunday and relaxing but the commandment was for the seventh day; Saturday so it must be done on that day also if we are to be obedient to what God wants us to do. You say I'm being legalistic? Well, I'm not going to worship another God, or take God's name in vain, or build idols to worship, or to not honor my parents, or to murder, or lie (not even little white ones) or to steal or to be jealous, is that being legalistic? If so then I love being legalistic and obeying God's commandments and that is why I worship and rest on Saturday. Each commandment is clear including the 4th. It is so simple, however, we've let the world command us to what day we worship and rest. However, even that has pretty well fallen along the wayside. Our disregard for resting on the sabbath has brought us to a place where we disregard ceasing our labor in any way that resembles what God commanded us to do even on Sundays and the world is suffering because of it
"The PRIMITIVE (my emphasis) Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews before the Christians for a long time together, did keep their convocations upon the Sabbath in which some portions of the law were read and this continued till the time of the Laodician Council." The whole Works of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX p416 (Historical poof the church worshiped on Saturday until
Constantine and the Catholic Church made it mandatory to worship on Sunday.)
I know the world has made it very hard for true believers to honor the 4th commandment. The other nine are getting that way too, but does that excuse us from obeying them? Again how do we justify ignoring the 4th commandment and not the other nine? Jesus' rest is a spiritual rest, the commandment is a physical, mental and spiritual rest. One doesn't replace the other. No scripture says that. So worship and relax ,on Sunday but the commandment was for the seventh day; Saturday so it must be done on that day if we are to be obedient to what God wants us to do. You say I'm being legalistic? Well, I'm not going to worship another God, or take God's name in vain, or build idols to worship, or to not honor my parents, or to murder, or lie (not even little white ones) or to steal or to be jealous either, is that being legalistic? If so then I love being legalistic and obeying God's commandments and that is why I worship and rest on Saturday. Each commandment is clear including the 4th. It is so simple, however, we've let the world command us to what day we worship and rest. However, even that has pretty well fallen along the wayside. Our disregard for resting on the sabbath has brought us to a place where we disregard ceasing our labor in any way that resembles what God commanded us to do even on Sundays and the world is suffering because of it.
I've read every verse in the NT KJV bible that uses the word rest. I do not understand how any of these verses, standing alone, or used with others, presents an understanding that the rest of Jesus changes the Sabbath to Sunday including the two above. It WAS the Laodicean Council of 324 AD with the support and compliance of the Catholic Church that abolished the sabbath and replaced it with Sunday under penalty of being cursed or excommunicated if not adhered to.
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"Constantine published the Edict of Milan, granting freedom of religion in the empire and establishing Sunday a day of worship" Collier Encyclopedia, vol 7, p. 212
"It was the Holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest form Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodician, AD 364, anathematized (cursed) those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema (excommunication.)" Catholic Priest T. Enright,
CSSRR, Kansas city, Mo (Obviously the Catholic Church was present in 364 AD to take part in what the Laodician Council was doing to change the sabbath to Sunday.)
"The Bible says remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. and low the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church." American Sentinel, Father Enright, 1893 (This quote is from 1893 not what he is saying in his quote.)
To disregard this sure and steadfast commandment that God intended for our good pleasure is so sad. All of the other commandments are to be obeyed so we will live the holy life God intends for us to live to gain Heaven, but the 4th commandment is for our physical, emotional and spiritual good. It is a gift we try to give back to God and say "no thanks," however, it is also a commandment and God said if we love Him we will obey His commandments because they do not cause us to be burdened. 1 John: 5:3 and Luke 6: 13-14
Nothing in these verses below tells us to replace the Sabbath with the beautiful rest of Jesus. We are steadfastly in His rest as long as we are true believers.
Matthew 11:28-29 "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."
Acts 2:26 "Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope."
Thessalonians 1:6-7 "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels."
1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (Paul is just asking the church to gather donations on the first day of each week for when he comes, it doesn't in any way point to them having to be in church to do this.)
Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."(Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? This verse is just speaking of believers gathering on a Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. It doesn't interpret as abolishing their regular worshiping on the Sabbath.)
Genesis: 2:2-3 " Thus the heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."
"seventh" shebiith: an ordinary number
"rested" sabath: cease, desist, rest
"sanctified, holy qadash consecrate
"sabbath" sabath intermission
These verses speak of the 4th commandment that God gave (not asked) us to obey to honor Him by resting on the seventh day. God saw this need for us, in order to refresh our bodies, minds and souls. He gave us the other nine, also, for our good. The world, unfortunately, has decided to disregard this commandment so there is no sanctified or consecrated day anymore given only to the Lord to worship Him and for ourselves to enjoy. Believers should recognized that God, not only gave this wonderful commandment to us for our good, but He emphasized it by commanding we remember it. However, He knew it would fall along the wayside. He knew believers would excuse away abstaining from labor on the Sabbath by this and that and the other thing. Believers try to use the scripture to excuse themselves from obeying this commandment but it is just as imperative for a believer to believe and obey this 4th commandment as it is for them to believe and obey the other nine. These commandments are of God. God wrote the them on tablets Himself. After that He gave Moses laws, statues and ordinances to help the people further understanding these commandments. These commandments are the foundation of our walk with God. Because the people had added to the Laws of Moses in many foolish ways these are what Jesus rid the world of when He came, but He didn't, in any way, abolish or change God's commandments. When God gave All His 10 commands to the race of Adam it was for always
God the Spirit sets his Will of God as sovereign and perfect. Significant was that the Son taught us how to pray so we first put ourselves subject to his Will. "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven (Matt.6:10). So everything works accordingly. Principle of Similitude sets entire kingdom on this principle.
"On Judgment"
Judgement of the world is predetermined so God sets the years of man in multiples of ten. 120 years are not counted in terms of earth time but according to the eternal word settled in heaven. (Ge.6:3). Noah secured salvation for his family because he built the Ark to God's specification. So the Spirit gives us the day his salvation took effect. "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." (Ge.7:11).
"In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark" (v.13) Now is the day of salvation.
In the end times we have judgment as pre-set from heaven. On command from above we have this," Loose the four angels, which are bound in the great river Euphrates./And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." (Re.9:14-15)
Comparing passages are to be done on the basis of this principle so how do we settle this verse given here below? "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Pe.3:8). This is to show the ways of man are different from that of God. The Lord will come as a thief as Apostle Peters speaks further down. (v.10)
3Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,which according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away,reserved in heaven for you(->Come up hither- look,behold,a door was/is opened in heaven)
5Who are kept by the power of GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time(this time arrived).
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven;which things the angels desire to look into.
13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind,and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;(Dan.12:3-they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever)
John 2:13-19
Having my Lord JESUS went up to Jerusalem,and seeing the Temple full of sellers of animals and birds,so He expelled them out of the Temple,saying: make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.The Jews said:What sign shew thou unto us, seeing that thou do these things?Jesus said:Destroy this temple,in THREE DAYS(THIRD DAY)I will raise it up. JESUS spake of the temple of His body(the Church).Re.1:7-8: ->7Behold,He comes with clouds;every eye shall see Him,and they also which pierced Him:...
8I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending,saith the Lord, which is,and which was,and which is to come,the Almighty.
9The Lord said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud;
10 Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them WASH their clothes,
11And be ready against the THIRD DAY: for the THIRD DAY the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people...
14 And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.
15 And he said unto the people, Be ready against the THIRD DAY: come not at your wives.
16 And it came to pass on the THIRD DAY in the morning(IN THE TURN OF THE DAY), that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. (Compare with 1Thessalonians 4:16. Take a look).
17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with GOD; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder...
Moses spake, and GOD answered him by a voice.
Revelation 11:15 -
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
1 In the beginning GOD created the heaven(s)(the 1st, 2nd and 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens) and the earth.
26 And GOD said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...
27 So GOD created man in His own image, in the image of GOD created He him; male and female created He them.
28 And GOD blessed them, ...
31 And GOD saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth Day.
Remember: GOD calleth those things which be not as though they were. JESUS came in the fouth GOD's Day or around 4000 years after Adam, and He said: John 5:17-My Father worketh hitherto, and I work (of course, it was still the 4th GOD's Day. In fact, the sixth GOD's Day (6000 years after Adam) it just finished, therefore, Now, even now, from now on, will be fulfilled LITERALLY Luke 20:35-36 combined with Philippians 3:20-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 and 51-55. Take a look. The Word is GOD, self-executing/executable, understand? GET READY)
Ro.4:16-17
16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the Law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even GOD, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Heb.4:3-13
3For we which have believed do enter into rest,as he said,As I have sworn in my wrath,if they shall enter into my rest:although the works were finished from the foundation of the world(as written in Genesis1)
4 For He spake in a certain place of the seventh Day on this wise, And GOD did rest the seventh Day from all His works.
The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever-Re.11:15. THE NATIONS WILL BE ANGRY, but GOD's WRATH comes... Re.11:18.
Please pray for my oldest son. He is going through a lot of uncharted territory and we are all scared to death. Please pray for comfort for him and that he always remembers how loved he is both by God and by his family.
And GOD-the Father-said,Let us make man in our IMAGE,after our likeness:...
Heb.1:1-3&6
1GOD,-the Father-who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days (last 2000 years or two GOD's Days,and around 4000 years after Adam)has spoken unto us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things,by whom also He made the worlds(as is written in John 1:3 combined with John 5:17)
3Who being the brightness of His Glory,and the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD's Person(IMAGE described in the Scriptures),and upholding all things by the Word of His power,when He had by Himself purged our sins,sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
6And AGAIN,when GOD brings in the firstbegotten into the world-the current world-,He sais,And let all the angels of GOD worship Him.
Luke 20:35-36 ->35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world-next world-the Kingdom of GOD-,and the resurrection from the dead,neither marry,nor are given in marriage:
36Neither can they die any more:for they are EQUAL unto the angels; and are the children of GOD-the Word is GOD, self-executing/ executable-,being the children of the resurrection.
So GOD-JESUS-created man in His own IMAGE,in the IMAGE of GOD-the Father-created He him;male and female created He them-Ge.1:27 combined with Jo.17:4-6->4 I have glorified thee on the earth:I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5And now,O Father,glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gave me out of the world:thine they were,and thou gave them me;and they have kept thy Word.(John the Baptist preached,saying:No man has seen GOD-the Father- at any time,the only begotten Son,which is in the bosom of the Father,He hath declared Him-Jo.1:18)
The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord,and of His Christ;and He shall reign for ever and ever
May God bless you and all your loved ones , may He increase your faith in and love for Him and His Son . Know this for sure , the tighter you cling to Him , the tighter He clings to you , trust Him always , He loves you very much .
Prayer request in the area of deliverance from demon as iam possessed by demons and cant remove it myself alone.Sir iam Daniel Chandra from Fiji islands.. Iam in debt Iam suffering, as well as my children, Akshat eleen anubhav chand and daughter Akiriti ashyleen ahana chand. Please pray so that we can receive deliverance from these demonic evil spirits around me who torture me. They are not easy to be removed. They are monitoring me, what I pray, they comment on my prayers, they are seing me every secondly, they are hidden, I can only hear their voice and and everyday they give me physical body pains,
deliverance from satanic, evil /monitoring spirits. they are demonic, evil, monitoring spirits, spirits who torment me physically, these spirits are not easy, to move, it started in year 2013See sir most of the dreams I see involve my family members, these spirits also, they are evil in nature, they are quite clever. my fathers name was Shyam Sundar who passed away, and mother was Puspha wati, these voice i started to hear just after my divorce, around 2013. they were very silent during our marriage, but once divorce has been done, then they appeared, then they started to torture me. .there are totally four voices that i hear,
1. my father-shyam sundar
2. my two cousins
3. one female voice that was of my previous wife now married and settled with another man in Auckland, New Zealand, however they can change their voices at any time, 24 hours they talk to me, and I can get mental illness like this also sir, Please hope you will help me, thank you.
God grant that I live according to His will while seeking Him always. I ask for good discretion, great choices, good judgement in issues that I can't comprehend. I ask for good health and a good job as I follow Him. Amen
My prayer request is for my brothers, Ron and Alex. They do not believe in Jesus Christ, they believe that they are good enough to go to heaven. One of my brothers went as far as to say "that he is good enough to get into heaven and if God won't let them in, that one of my brothers said that God could send him to hell. So my pray is for them.
Sorry, I meant acrimony instead of antimony (wrong word).
I hate the errors of the church over the centuries and the corruption. I hate the errors and corruption in the church in these times, whether these problems are in the Roman Catholic Church or Orthodox Church or Protestantism. There has been and still are so many beliefs that are not biblical that many believers are taught and/or believe. We are to be wise about Scriptures and know that we, too, can be caught up in error if we are not diligent.
Heavenly Father, both Michael and I claim Your love and mercy for a healing miracle for his brother-in-law. Father God, you sent Your Son Jesus Christ to heal the afflicted, so in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ, be healed. All for Your honor and glory, Father God. Amen
Hi Jema, thank you for responding. I agree with you, God knows our future before we are born. Thank the Lord he saved you. True in what you said, we Christians are privileged. Thank You Lord for choosing us as Your children. May God richly bless you on all your endeavors for a fulfilling life in Christ.
I think that Giannis is correct, these men he quotes were believers of the early church who followed in the steps of the apostles who had died not much before they were born or came into adulthood. These men were the leaders who helped the fledgling church in the decades after the death of John, the last apostle to die. Their doctrine and practice was the closest to what the apostles taught and practiced than any time in history.
I think it is an error to label such people non-Christian. they professed Jesus as their Lord just like you and I and the whole of the Christian believers over the centuries. The Roman Catholic Church did not exist at this time. The RCC developed from these correct beginnings many centuries later, and with the rise of the papacy and the Holy Roman Empire after 500 AD, corruption was introduced and/or approved by the papacy and House of Cardinals of the Vatican.
There is much to learn about church history. Our roots go back through the Reformation, the Holy Roman Empire, the RCC, and the early church councils and leaders who refuted many heresies during the first centuries that we can be thankful for. But all was not rosy and good over the centuries and we should become knowledgeable of what has transpired between Pentecost and now. The old adage, "If one will not learn from history they are bound to repeat it." is applicable to us. When we wish to speak about what has happened in the past centuries, we should study church history to find out what really happened and what things led to the good things that came out of the church and the bad things that were worked into the church by the enemy.
Like it or now, believers today are indebted to those who were faithful believers all the way back to the apostles, and also we need to be aware of how the church has erred over time in both Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. We need to be careful to avoid some of the same mistakes that occurred in recent past and ancient past
I don't know why that first post was so weirdly formatted. But anyway, Momsage's outright rejection of your reference to these early church teachers shows her serious antimony toward Catholicism and I think it clouds her thinking about the history of our faith.
Thank you for offering us these quotes from these believing leaders in the time when apostle John was still alive (before 95AD. and/or in the decades shortly after he died. Many of the writers of the 100's AD were appointed to their offices by the apostles or by one who was appointed by an apostle. They were men of faith in our Lord.
They, more than any of us knew what was taught and practiced in the early times of the church after Pentecost. Certainly, they valued the teachings and writings of the apostles as being paramount tenets of the faith they held and taught to others.
I agree with you, these men were NOT Catholics. The church in the early centuries was universal as you say. There were heretical sects and teachers in those early times just as there are now and have been throughout the centuries. However, these men were godly believers who desired to live and lead the brethren in godliness according to the faith passed down from the
Has eternal punishment begun? In fact, it is already LITERALLY running. It's very hard to understand and to say, but the Truth is we have entered in the period of sorrows, a time of great sufferings and it will be until the END of this current world, world of Devil, and this until of the coming of JESUS as was prophesied since ancient time. JESUS warned that there shall be upon the earth distress of nations, and men's hearts failing them for fear looking those things which are coming on the earth- Luke 21:25-28-, and He Himself is already executing His prophetic words, understand? JESUS left very clear, saying: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth- Matthew 28:18- I think this statement of my Lord JESUS is wonderful and impressive. By the way, be sure that our Lord JESUS does not need to be visible for now to execute His prophecies, the Word is GOD, it is prophetic, self-executing at a prophetically predetermined time.
Get ready
Rest assured that as prophesied by the prophets, and apostles, and especially by our Lord JESUS, the ETERNAL punishment had a specific and predetermined period of time to begin, I MUST say that it has already begun because there will not be any gap in the transition from the period of SORROWS to the period of ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, in fact it is without a gap, in fact it is sequential, yes, there will be no gap between these two terrible events, it has already begun and it will NEVER END, it will NEVER STOP, it will be forever and ever.
Isaiah 57:1, "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come."
Take the above as an answer to your questions. God has a plan for every single one of us, and it is the best plan for every one of us. For a parent to loose a child is probably the worst thing that may happen in their lives. A parent may be able to face everything else but a serious illness or a loss of a kid is something nobody can handle easily in their life. But we have to trust in God that He does the best. The best for our kids. I haven't lost a kid but I went through a very hard time when I lost my sister. 2-3 months after she gave her heart to Jesus she was killed in a motorbike accident. We grew up together, we went to the same schools, had the same friendships in our teens, we were very close. So when her funeral was going to take place I was wondering if I could stand it, for sometime I thought it would be better not to attend it, I thought I couldn't take it. But the "marvelous" thing was that after the funeral as I was driving away with my wife in the car , I said to her something that if a secular person heard it they would think I may be a psychopath. I said "You know I am feeling joy as if I am coming out of a marriage not a funeral, not the funeral of my dear sister. My wife said "I undertand you, I am feeling the same." God gave us in this way the assurance that my sister was in His hands safe and happy and we shouldn't worry about her. I never said that to any relative or friend who is not a christian, they wouldn't understand noway. Some other time I went to visit her grave and I was feeling very sad. After I left the cemetary I was feeling (again) joy. As if The Lord was telling me "Come on, stop feeling bad, there is no need for it. Why are you sad while your sister is happy here with me?"
Gal.3:22-29KJV->24The Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ,that we might be Justified by Faith.
25But after that faith is come,we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of GOD by faith in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's,then are ye Abraham's seed,and heirs according to the promise.
23 But before faith came,we were kept under the Law,shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
22 But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin,that the promise by faith of JESUS CHRIST might be given to them that believe.
ROMANS 2:6-12KJV
6 Who WILL RENDER to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality,ETERNAL LIFE:
8 But unto them that are contentious,and do not obey the truth,but obey unrighteousness,INDIGNATION AND WRATH,
9 TRIBULATION and ANGUISH,upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the JEW,and also of the GENTILE;
10 But glory,honour,and peace,to every man that worketh good,to the JEW first,and also to the GENTILE:
11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.
12 For as many as have sinned without Law(the GENTILES)shall also PERISH without Law:and as many as have sinned in the Law(the JEWS)shall be JUDGED by the Law;
By the way,we are now living LITERALLY in the period of SORROWS as my Lord JESUS said- Matthew 24:3-8- but it is a short period of events listed by JESUS, the worst comes soon when the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stands in the holy place( Matthew 24:21-25KJV -> 21 Then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time(current time), no, nor ever shall be.
22 EXCEPT those days(current days)be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;(as is written in John 5:43-47) BELIEVE IT NOT.
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death - whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master - how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, having come, raised them from the dead. Matthew 27:52
Teachings of the 12 Apostles, 14:1
"But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."
Those were not Catholics, they were Greeks actually not Latins. At the time the church had not been separated into different fractions. The first split of that united church occured in 1054 AD, and the Roman Catholic church emmerged as a separate church.
Eating food and regular activities began to become hard and I can't even sleep well
Please pray for my health
I know the world has made it very hard for true believers to honor the 4th commandment. The other nine are getting that way too, but does that excuse us from obeying them? Again how do we justify ignoring the 4th commandment and not the other nine? Jesus' rest is a spiritual rest, the commandment is a physical, mental and spiritual rest. One doesn't replace the other. No scripture says that. There's no wrong in worshiping on Sunday and relaxing but the commandment was for the seventh day; Saturday so it must be done on that day also if we are to be obedient to what God wants us to do. You say I'm being legalistic? Well, I'm not going to worship another God, or take God's name in vain, or build idols to worship, or to not honor my parents, or to murder, or lie (not even little white ones) or to steal or to be jealous, is that being legalistic? If so then I love being legalistic and obeying God's commandments and that is why I worship and rest on Saturday. Each commandment is clear including the 4th. It is so simple, however, we've let the world command us to what day we worship and rest. However, even that has pretty well fallen along the wayside. Our disregard for resting on the sabbath has brought us to a place where we disregard ceasing our labor in any way that resembles what God commanded us to do even on Sundays and the world is suffering because of it
God Bless :)
I am not a part of any church or denomination.
Constantine and the Catholic Church made it mandatory to worship on Sunday.)
I know the world has made it very hard for true believers to honor the 4th commandment. The other nine are getting that way too, but does that excuse us from obeying them? Again how do we justify ignoring the 4th commandment and not the other nine? Jesus' rest is a spiritual rest, the commandment is a physical, mental and spiritual rest. One doesn't replace the other. No scripture says that. So worship and relax ,on Sunday but the commandment was for the seventh day; Saturday so it must be done on that day if we are to be obedient to what God wants us to do. You say I'm being legalistic? Well, I'm not going to worship another God, or take God's name in vain, or build idols to worship, or to not honor my parents, or to murder, or lie (not even little white ones) or to steal or to be jealous either, is that being legalistic? If so then I love being legalistic and obeying God's commandments and that is why I worship and rest on Saturday. Each commandment is clear including the 4th. It is so simple, however, we've let the world command us to what day we worship and rest. However, even that has pretty well fallen along the wayside. Our disregard for resting on the sabbath has brought us to a place where we disregard ceasing our labor in any way that resembles what God commanded us to do even on Sundays and the world is suffering because of it.
God Bless :)
I am not part of any denomination.
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"Constantine published the Edict of Milan, granting freedom of religion in the empire and establishing Sunday a day of worship" Collier Encyclopedia, vol 7, p. 212
"It was the Holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest form Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodician, AD 364, anathematized (cursed) those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema (excommunication.)" Catholic Priest T. Enright,
CSSRR, Kansas city, Mo (Obviously the Catholic Church was present in 364 AD to take part in what the Laodician Council was doing to change the sabbath to Sunday.)
"The Bible says remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. and low the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church." American Sentinel, Father Enright, 1893 (This quote is from 1893 not what he is saying in his quote.)
Nothing in these verses below tells us to replace the Sabbath with the beautiful rest of Jesus. We are steadfastly in His rest as long as we are true believers.
Matthew 11:28-29 "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."
Acts 2:26 "Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope."
Thessalonians 1:6-7 "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels."
1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (Paul is just asking the church to gather donations on the first day of each week for when he comes, it doesn't in any way point to them having to be in church to do this.)
Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."(Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? This verse is just speaking of believers gathering on a Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. It doesn't interpret as abolishing their regular worshiping on the Sabbath.)
Genesis: 2:2-3 " Thus the heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."
"seventh" shebiith: an ordinary number
"rested" sabath: cease, desist, rest
"sanctified, holy qadash consecrate
"sabbath" sabath intermission
These verses speak of the 4th commandment that God gave (not asked) us to obey to honor Him by resting on the seventh day. God saw this need for us, in order to refresh our bodies, minds and souls. He gave us the other nine, also, for our good. The world, unfortunately, has decided to disregard this commandment so there is no sanctified or consecrated day anymore given only to the Lord to worship Him and for ourselves to enjoy. Believers should recognized that God, not only gave this wonderful commandment to us for our good, but He emphasized it by commanding we remember it. However, He knew it would fall along the wayside. He knew believers would excuse away abstaining from labor on the Sabbath by this and that and the other thing. Believers try to use the scripture to excuse themselves from obeying this commandment but it is just as imperative for a believer to believe and obey this 4th commandment as it is for them to believe and obey the other nine. These commandments are of God. God wrote the them on tablets Himself. After that He gave Moses laws, statues and ordinances to help the people further understanding these commandments. These commandments are the foundation of our walk with God. Because the people had added to the Laws of Moses in many foolish ways these are what Jesus rid the world of when He came, but He didn't, in any way, abolish or change God's commandments. When God gave All His 10 commands to the race of Adam it was for always
God the Spirit sets his Will of God as sovereign and perfect. Significant was that the Son taught us how to pray so we first put ourselves subject to his Will. "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven (Matt.6:10). So everything works accordingly. Principle of Similitude sets entire kingdom on this principle.
"On Judgment"
Judgement of the world is predetermined so God sets the years of man in multiples of ten. 120 years are not counted in terms of earth time but according to the eternal word settled in heaven. (Ge.6:3). Noah secured salvation for his family because he built the Ark to God's specification. So the Spirit gives us the day his salvation took effect. "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." (Ge.7:11).
"In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark" (v.13) Now is the day of salvation.
In the end times we have judgment as pre-set from heaven. On command from above we have this," Loose the four angels, which are bound in the great river Euphrates./And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." (Re.9:14-15)
Comparing passages are to be done on the basis of this principle so how do we settle this verse given here below? "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Pe.3:8). This is to show the ways of man are different from that of God. The Lord will come as a thief as Apostle Peters speaks further down. (v.10)
3Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,which according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away,reserved in heaven for you(->Come up hither- look,behold,a door was/is opened in heaven)
5Who are kept by the power of GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time(this time arrived).
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven;which things the angels desire to look into.
13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind,and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;(Dan.12:3-they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever)
John 2:13-19
Having my Lord JESUS went up to Jerusalem,and seeing the Temple full of sellers of animals and birds,so He expelled them out of the Temple,saying: make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.The Jews said:What sign shew thou unto us, seeing that thou do these things?Jesus said:Destroy this temple,in THREE DAYS(THIRD DAY)I will raise it up. JESUS spake of the temple of His body(the Church).Re.1:7-8: ->7Behold,He comes with clouds;every eye shall see Him,and they also which pierced Him:...
8I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending,saith the Lord, which is,and which was,and which is to come,the Almighty.
9The Lord said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud;
10 Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them WASH their clothes,
11And be ready against the THIRD DAY: for the THIRD DAY the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people...
14 And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.
15 And he said unto the people, Be ready against the THIRD DAY: come not at your wives.
16 And it came to pass on the THIRD DAY in the morning(IN THE TURN OF THE DAY), that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. (Compare with 1Thessalonians 4:16. Take a look).
17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with GOD; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder...
Moses spake, and GOD answered him by a voice.
Revelation 11:15 -
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
1 In the beginning GOD created the heaven(s)(the 1st, 2nd and 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens) and the earth.
26 And GOD said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...
27 So GOD created man in His own image, in the image of GOD created He him; male and female created He them.
28 And GOD blessed them, ...
31 And GOD saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth Day.
Remember: GOD calleth those things which be not as though they were. JESUS came in the fouth GOD's Day or around 4000 years after Adam, and He said: John 5:17-My Father worketh hitherto, and I work (of course, it was still the 4th GOD's Day. In fact, the sixth GOD's Day (6000 years after Adam) it just finished, therefore, Now, even now, from now on, will be fulfilled LITERALLY Luke 20:35-36 combined with Philippians 3:20-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 and 51-55. Take a look. The Word is GOD, self-executing/executable, understand? GET READY)
Ro.4:16-17
16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the Law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even GOD, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Heb.4:3-13
3For we which have believed do enter into rest,as he said,As I have sworn in my wrath,if they shall enter into my rest:although the works were finished from the foundation of the world(as written in Genesis1)
4 For He spake in a certain place of the seventh Day on this wise, And GOD did rest the seventh Day from all His works.
The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever-Re.11:15. THE NATIONS WILL BE ANGRY, but GOD's WRATH comes... Re.11:18.
And GOD-the Father-said,Let us make man in our IMAGE,after our likeness:...
Heb.1:1-3&6
1GOD,-the Father-who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days (last 2000 years or two GOD's Days,and around 4000 years after Adam)has spoken unto us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things,by whom also He made the worlds(as is written in John 1:3 combined with John 5:17)
3Who being the brightness of His Glory,and the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD's Person(IMAGE described in the Scriptures),and upholding all things by the Word of His power,when He had by Himself purged our sins,sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
6And AGAIN,when GOD brings in the firstbegotten into the world-the current world-,He sais,And let all the angels of GOD worship Him.
Luke 20:35-36 ->35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world-next world-the Kingdom of GOD-,and the resurrection from the dead,neither marry,nor are given in marriage:
36Neither can they die any more:for they are EQUAL unto the angels; and are the children of GOD-the Word is GOD, self-executing/ executable-,being the children of the resurrection.
So GOD-JESUS-created man in His own IMAGE,in the IMAGE of GOD-the Father-created He him;male and female created He them-Ge.1:27 combined with Jo.17:4-6->4 I have glorified thee on the earth:I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5And now,O Father,glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gave me out of the world:thine they were,and thou gave them me;and they have kept thy Word.(John the Baptist preached,saying:No man has seen GOD-the Father- at any time,the only begotten Son,which is in the bosom of the Father,He hath declared Him-Jo.1:18)
The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord,and of His Christ;and He shall reign for ever and ever
deliverance from satanic, evil /monitoring spirits. they are demonic, evil, monitoring spirits, spirits who torment me physically, these spirits are not easy, to move, it started in year 2013See sir most of the dreams I see involve my family members, these spirits also, they are evil in nature, they are quite clever. my fathers name was Shyam Sundar who passed away, and mother was Puspha wati, these voice i started to hear just after my divorce, around 2013. they were very silent during our marriage, but once divorce has been done, then they appeared, then they started to torture me. .there are totally four voices that i hear,
1. my father-shyam sundar
2. my two cousins
3. one female voice that was of my previous wife now married and settled with another man in Auckland, New Zealand, however they can change their voices at any time, 24 hours they talk to me, and I can get mental illness like this also sir, Please hope you will help me, thank you.
Thank You
Robert
I hate the errors of the church over the centuries and the corruption. I hate the errors and corruption in the church in these times, whether these problems are in the Roman Catholic Church or Orthodox Church or Protestantism. There has been and still are so many beliefs that are not biblical that many believers are taught and/or believe. We are to be wise about Scriptures and know that we, too, can be caught up in error if we are not diligent.
I think that Giannis is correct, these men he quotes were believers of the early church who followed in the steps of the apostles who had died not much before they were born or came into adulthood. These men were the leaders who helped the fledgling church in the decades after the death of John, the last apostle to die. Their doctrine and practice was the closest to what the apostles taught and practiced than any time in history.
I think it is an error to label such people non-Christian. they professed Jesus as their Lord just like you and I and the whole of the Christian believers over the centuries. The Roman Catholic Church did not exist at this time. The RCC developed from these correct beginnings many centuries later, and with the rise of the papacy and the Holy Roman Empire after 500 AD, corruption was introduced and/or approved by the papacy and House of Cardinals of the Vatican.
There is much to learn about church history. Our roots go back through the Reformation, the Holy Roman Empire, the RCC, and the early church councils and leaders who refuted many heresies during the first centuries that we can be thankful for. But all was not rosy and good over the centuries and we should become knowledgeable of what has transpired between Pentecost and now. The old adage, "If one will not learn from history they are bound to repeat it." is applicable to us. When we wish to speak about what has happened in the past centuries, we should study church history to find out what really happened and what things led to the good things that came out of the church and the bad things that were worked into the church by the enemy.
Like it or now, believers today are indebted to those who were faithful believers all the way back to the apostles, and also we need to be aware of how the church has erred over time in both Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. We need to be careful to avoid some of the same mistakes that occurred in recent past and ancient past
I don't know why that first post was so weirdly formatted. But anyway, Momsage's outright rejection of your reference to these early church teachers shows her serious antimony toward Catholicism and I think it clouds her thinking about the history of our faith.
They, more than any of us knew what was taught and practiced in the early times of the church after Pentecost. Certainly, they valued the teachings and writings of the apostles as being paramount tenets of the faith they held and taught to others.
I agree with you, these men were NOT Catholics. The church in the early centuries was universal as you say. There were heretical sects and teachers in those early times just as there are now and have been throughout the centuries. However, these men were godly believers who desired to live and lead the brethren in godliness according to the faith passed down from the
apostles.
Brothers in Christ
Has eternal punishment begun? In fact, it is already LITERALLY running. It's very hard to understand and to say, but the Truth is we have entered in the period of sorrows, a time of great sufferings and it will be until the END of this current world, world of Devil, and this until of the coming of JESUS as was prophesied since ancient time. JESUS warned that there shall be upon the earth distress of nations, and men's hearts failing them for fear looking those things which are coming on the earth- Luke 21:25-28-, and He Himself is already executing His prophetic words, understand? JESUS left very clear, saying: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth- Matthew 28:18- I think this statement of my Lord JESUS is wonderful and impressive. By the way, be sure that our Lord JESUS does not need to be visible for now to execute His prophecies, the Word is GOD, it is prophetic, self-executing at a prophetically predetermined time.
Get ready
Rest assured that as prophesied by the prophets, and apostles, and especially by our Lord JESUS, the ETERNAL punishment had a specific and predetermined period of time to begin, I MUST say that it has already begun because there will not be any gap in the transition from the period of SORROWS to the period of ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, in fact it is without a gap, in fact it is sequential, yes, there will be no gap between these two terrible events, it has already begun and it will NEVER END, it will NEVER STOP, it will be forever and ever.
Get ready, get ready"
Isaiah 57:1, "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come."
Take the above as an answer to your questions. God has a plan for every single one of us, and it is the best plan for every one of us. For a parent to loose a child is probably the worst thing that may happen in their lives. A parent may be able to face everything else but a serious illness or a loss of a kid is something nobody can handle easily in their life. But we have to trust in God that He does the best. The best for our kids. I haven't lost a kid but I went through a very hard time when I lost my sister. 2-3 months after she gave her heart to Jesus she was killed in a motorbike accident. We grew up together, we went to the same schools, had the same friendships in our teens, we were very close. So when her funeral was going to take place I was wondering if I could stand it, for sometime I thought it would be better not to attend it, I thought I couldn't take it. But the "marvelous" thing was that after the funeral as I was driving away with my wife in the car , I said to her something that if a secular person heard it they would think I may be a psychopath. I said "You know I am feeling joy as if I am coming out of a marriage not a funeral, not the funeral of my dear sister. My wife said "I undertand you, I am feeling the same." God gave us in this way the assurance that my sister was in His hands safe and happy and we shouldn't worry about her. I never said that to any relative or friend who is not a christian, they wouldn't understand noway. Some other time I went to visit her grave and I was feeling very sad. After I left the cemetary I was feeling (again) joy. As if The Lord was telling me "Come on, stop feeling bad, there is no need for it. Why are you sad while your sister is happy here with me?"
I wish that can be a comfort to you.
God bless you.
25But after that faith is come,we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of GOD by faith in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's,then are ye Abraham's seed,and heirs according to the promise.
23 But before faith came,we were kept under the Law,shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
22 But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin,that the promise by faith of JESUS CHRIST might be given to them that believe.
ROMANS 2:6-12KJV
6 Who WILL RENDER to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality,ETERNAL LIFE:
8 But unto them that are contentious,and do not obey the truth,but obey unrighteousness,INDIGNATION AND WRATH,
9 TRIBULATION and ANGUISH,upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the JEW,and also of the GENTILE;
10 But glory,honour,and peace,to every man that worketh good,to the JEW first,and also to the GENTILE:
11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.
12 For as many as have sinned without Law(the GENTILES)shall also PERISH without Law:and as many as have sinned in the Law(the JEWS)shall be JUDGED by the Law;
By the way,we are now living LITERALLY in the period of SORROWS as my Lord JESUS said- Matthew 24:3-8- but it is a short period of events listed by JESUS, the worst comes soon when the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stands in the holy place( Matthew 24:21-25KJV -> 21 Then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time(current time), no, nor ever shall be.
22 EXCEPT those days(current days)be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;(as is written in John 5:43-47) BELIEVE IT NOT.
25 Behold,I have told you before.
Get ready
Ignatius of Antioch, chapter 9
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death - whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master - how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, having come, raised them from the dead. Matthew 27:52
Teachings of the 12 Apostles, 14:1
"But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."
Those were not Catholics, they were Greeks actually not Latins. At the time the church had not been separated into different fractions. The first split of that united church occured in 1054 AD, and the Roman Catholic church emmerged as a separate church.