I love you too GiGi. We are sisters in the Lord. It's true I used quotes for my view by people repeating history but not false doctrine from a book that is not in the bible. Yes we could go on and discuss other things but we shouldn't use scripture from sources that were not scantion by the Holy Ghost.
I read a little of Barnabas and he seemed to believe our hope for eternal life was something we are to strive for if we behave ourselves until we die. Anyway I only answered your reply because it didnt seem right not to. I have decided to stay with this forum but only with you and Christianlady7.
Keeping the SABBATH was a commandment of God not a law of the Jews. Talk to you soon. God Bless :)
1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2As thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given Him.
3And this is life eternal,that they might know thee the only true GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. (combined with John 5:17)
5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
See, it is certain that the day of JESUS 'return is very very close. See how near He is, and take in mind that each passing day we are personally closer to JESUS. Time is ticking,ticking,ticking; see,don't sleep, but if you're already asleep, wake up, get up yourself fast.
Think well, we are at each day walking to meet our Lord JESUS- Matthew 25:6- , and He is coming walking to meet us in according He combined- John 14:1-4KJV:
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in GOD - the Word is GOD -, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
I don't believe that I have to explain myself to you as none of my posts were sent to you . I used the word aggressive in a post to Giannis because he used it first to me . My other post about the definition of bullying was , as you can see , aimed at no one in particular . As was my question about Mark Ch 9 V 33-42 and Matthew Ch 18 V 1-6 . I feel this site to be a congregation . When I am in my physical congregation , I am very respectful to my elders , I speak to them with kindness and patience . I always try on here to speak to people as if we were face to face in church . That's because I remember that where two or three are gathered together in his name , then Christ is in the midst of us . Has Momsage posted again ? I haven't checked . If not , there goes another member of this congregation .
The Lord bless you & your family Manoj & to receive a KJV Bible in due course. And in your devotions & study of God's Words for you as a family, may He lead you into a deeper knowledge & love for our gracious LORD Who gave His all, even His only beloved Son Jesus Christ for our salvation. "For there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved". Trust Him for salvation - trust Him for your every need. Every blessing Manoj.
Thank you brother Giannis for sharing more information of the practises of the early Church - all this should be very helpful to those seeking better understanding of what took place in those meetings. And just to add, I've never found any of your posts to be aggressive or hurtful in any way, and have always valued very much your understanding of the Word especially when bringing us added knowledge from the Greek. And of course, calling upon history, if outside of biblical revelation, can always be a sore point; one must investigate further the facts presented rather than blind rejection, for whatever our reason. Truth is paramount: if we believe that the Bible is wholly true (even under testing), then anything that would complement biblical facts must also be given equal scrutiny. Blessings.
Just as you quoted nonbiblical people to support your view, Jesse also quoted non-biblical people in support of his view. So if it was wrong for Jesse to do so, then it would be equally wrong for you to have quoted whom you did.
I hope you will stay with us here. We sometimes "step on each others' toes" at times but we do love each other. So, I guess that it is important to understand that we are all here to help each other as well as express a point of view. In regards to the topic of keeping the Sabbath law, we can agree that we disagree and then move forward. There are so many topics we agree on and many worthy of discussions, as this topic was. Hope to see you on another thread soon.
OOps Angela,I misnamed your Father in my prayer as Isaac when I should have written Frank. Please accept my apology. I do know that God knows that I was truly praying for your father.
I am glad to pry for your father. How sad to see him go through this terrible disease.
Heavenly Father, we lay Mr. Isaac before You as he is in such need of your grace, mercy, and salvation as well as peace and comfort. Please, Father, take away these terrible dreams and evil ideas that are plaguing him often. Bring him home to Jesus now and to You when he passes from this life to the next. Father, You know all that Isaac needs now and we are trusting you to provide in this time that is hard for him and also for those who love and care for him. Help this whole family, Father, for You are good and merciful, long-suffering and wise. We bring Isaac before You in the name of Jesus. Amen.
Bullying continued: words that intimidate, tease, is ongoing and purposely targeted at a specific person; misuse of power in a relationship
Jema, since you did use these words to describe those of us who responded to Momsage, please show us. For me, to call us out using these words when we our words were not invective, aggressive, nor bullying is slander.
I am not posting this to bother you nor to put you down, but to reveal what the words you used truly mean. i want to own my own words if they are invective, aggressive, or bullying words. So I am open for your correction with specifics.
I love you dearly, Jema, and I do not want to hurt your feelings or do any damage to our friendship here, since I value you and our relationship. I always look forward to hearing from you.
I wanted to get back to you once again in order to define words you used concerning the speech we were using in replying to Momsage. I looked up these definitions online from several sources in order to have a comprehensive understanding of the words you used. Please read these and then you can get back to me and show me what was said that would qualify under these definitions. Such accusations of doing another wrong on this site is serious and it is best if we clear things up now.
Invective: denunciatory or abusive language; vehement denunciation or an utterance of violent censure or reproach; a railing accusation; insulting, abusive criticism that is forceful, unkind and rude; abusive venomous language used to express censure or bitter, deep-seated ill; revilement or rude expression intended to offend or hurt; language that is shouted at people they hate or are angry with characterized by insult or abusive words.
Aggressive speech: speech that blatantly ignores the other person's response; speech that is manipulative or expresses violence; cruel and unkind words intended to cause pain or distress; hate speech; speech that does not consider the feelings of the other; hostile, defensive, demanding, behavior fueled by emotion; speech that readily jumps to conclusions; passionate speech that is combative, assailing, attacking, quarrelsome, war-like, belligerent, barbaric, competitive and lacking empathy; speech that is hostile, demeaning, angry, violent, reproachful, and not open for feedback; speech that is defiant, overtly critical not to be helpful but to belittle or threaten; using words to assault, dominate, ridicule, manipulate, degrade, others negatively as a means of controlling and maintaining power; speech that is mocking, humiliating. judgmental, argumentative
Bullying: intentional harm-doing, harassment directed at vulnerable targets and typically repeatedly so; intentionally trying to upset or exert power over another; coercive; deliberate,
Heavenly Father, I pray for Manoj, and his family. In whatever they need bless them with. In health, a closer walk with You, financial, strong family ties.Thank You Jesus Christ.
If I could I would mail you a KJV. I pray someone can send you one or that someone in New Zealand give you one. God bless you. Amen
Heavenly Father, I pray for Your healing touch on Isaac. You sent Your son Jesus Christ to destroy satan's work on Your children and that is sickness, illness, infirmities.in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ, Isaac, be healed. All for Your honor and glory Father God. Amen
The first recording of the teaching of the "rapture" was by Ephraem the Syrian in his most recently found and translation book entitled "Antichrist and the End of the World" in 373AD.
Hi there like to request for a prayer for my family and can I request a copy of kjv holy Bible as well if you can send it to my address at 2/ 33 Luke street otahuhu Auckland. Please
Although I have been agressive to some people on this site in the past (and I have repented about it) I don't think I have been either agressive to Momsage or used words that insult, neither me nor any other person in that discussion about Sabbath. About singling her out how can that be? We don't know each other here on this site neither we have the same beliefs in every topic. When we list all we know about a topic is for making our beliefs solid, not to diminish the other person. Now to what was discussed. Momsage anchored herself to what she has read somewhere and I listed all historical events that I know to make her think that she may have the wrong impression about things she learned. Anyway, does all that mean that when I want to talk about something with others I should not say all that I know because that other person may feel inferior? Is this what you say? Is this right? Personally when someone talks about things that I don't know, such as history, I am very careful about what is said and then I look it up on the net. There is so much information nowadays on there from all sort of sources and it is good not to single out any church or denomination. But as far as the church history is concerned there is a wide acceptance all over the world about specific events in the history of the early church and when we hear something that sounds a bit strange in our ears then that makes us want to wake up that other person. There are some teachers or churches that in order to promote their ideas they twist some things on purpose, and I firmly believe that Momsage has fallen to that trap, because what she says that they say is not the accepted history of the church. We should be very careful in general when we hear something that is in total contrast to what all the others believe. Is is only us or some other specific teachers that God has revealed His truth? Why? Are we something special? Anyway, I think this is enough. Have a blessed day.GBU
I agree with what you have said some things have been used for power and control, the day people go to a church is for their conscience and should not be a division. We see in Acts they were meeting every day of the week. But if I may point out a few things about the eighth day, not to debate but things you may want to study. The eighth day appears in various contexts in the Bible but to my understanding never as a day of the week, there are only seven days of the week.
God told Abraham that male children should be circumcised on the eighth day after their birth. We know now medically on the eighth day after birth, vitamin K in the body is at its highest level on the eighth day, and it is pivotal in blood clotting.
It comes up again with the Feast of Tabernacles on the first day and the eighth day was a holy convocation with no work outside of preparing food could be done, unlike the Passover where the first day and the seventh day were a holy convocation.
The eighth day was used in some sacrifices where it was done on the eighth day after the sin, some in the past have referred to the Lord's Day as the eighth day, referring to a new creation and some say it will be the final day of judgment, but I do not know much about that.
Pentecost, also known as the Feast of Weeks, you count seven Sabbaths after Passover, and it will be the first day after the seventh Sabbath. That makes it the 50th which is the meaning of pentekoste/Pentecost on the first day of the week after 49 days/seven Sabbaths.
They would count each day, this is the first day, this is the second day until the 50th day the second harvest would be presented to God and said it was the same day God gave the law to Moses on Mount Sinai. and the day of the giving of the Holy Spirit, the second harvest.
I hope you don't mind Richard and are not offended; I read and enjoy your posts and hope your health is good.
Hi Christianlady7. I think I already answered this post but there's more I'd like to say to you. I don't know if you saw my last post that said I was leaving this forum because this is suppose to be a KJB only and they were using false verses from the epistle of Barnabas. I would like to stay, and do discussions with you and answer your questions. I certainly don't know everything but scripture from the KJB will be all I'll be using. I'll talked to you some more later if you want to. God Bless :)
God is a consuming fire and it denotes an aspect of His holiness, which is different from what we have here. "And, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.".(Ex.3:2-4). *There was a voice from its midst calling his attention. Naturally the Spirit presents Moses as the double for his Son to which we have a book-end in the transfiguration of Jesus again with a mountain in the backdrop. (St. Matt. 17:1-9).
In both cases we are looking at the glory of God and the tree refers to the tree of righteousness in terms of the tree of life. In the other the glory of spiritual body and the holy mount is another reference to the Son. Thus we have the glory in terms of the Father Son relationship.
Second point to remember is the glory of the Word and Moses with Elijah are served as double for the Son. (See under L-logos). (Ex.3:1-4).
God set up an encounter with Moses and his scholarly turn of mind turned back as foreknown. "And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I".
Spirit of Christ represents the glory which did not consume the tree which foreshadows tree of Life or of righteousness. The voice of the Lord has sent forth the word (Is.55:11). It also augurs the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. (See under M-parallelism)
* Explanation
Compare "And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."(Re.6:6) The Spirit speaks on a non-verbal mode. While the four beast are continually praising God,holy,holy, holy' they keep their role as MC. They represent Glory of creation and Man as the steward. With each rider they alternate correspondingly. "And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see."(v.7)
I am requesting prayer for my father Frank Carrasco. He is not doing well. He has Vascular dementia.
He sees ungodly spirits and his good dreams are no more. it is getting so bad. speaks w/what he is seeing. my mom passed away a year and a half ago and he says she's not in a good place. etc...
Asking for prayers for my sister, Selena and her family, they are caring for him and its getting worse.
Also asking for prayers for my daughters Alana & Marleen. Both are in need of Healing, Strength & Comfort and much needed of The LORDS direction.
Prayers for ALana's dad and his new wife. He & she are not doing our daughter right and he is neglecting her in every way.
prayers for myself please. i feel alone and useless. I need streghnth and help. tiered of everything. nothing is changing. stuck even when i feel closer to GOD. NEED A BREAK THROUGH.
You are conflating your perception of what you think is our view of Momsage with what we think. We do not think of her as weaker nor do are any of us intending to "pile on" her. This is not bullying. It is discussing with differing viewpoints. Others who think like Momsage are welcome to join our discussion. We are not singling her out in any way as a bully does, nor are we intentionally targeting her for mistreatment here. That has not occurred.
I can see you are very sensitive to people on this forum who seem weak or the underdog in a discussion in your eyes. I appreciate your compassion. But to call any of us bullies, aggressive, or invective in our posts to her is simply name-calling. You are assuming to know our motives and assume that we are attempting to bully or belittle her. We are definitely not intending this at all. So, please, let's be gracious to one another even as we discuss topics amongst one another. Our aim is to uplift, give thoughts to consider, and to express ideas that someone's original post prompts us to respond to.
I do not think Giannis, myself, or anyone else on this forum was being aggressive to Momsage nor where we trying to promote our selves, our scholarship, or our superiority. If that is what you get from our postings, I must say that you are reading more into what has been presented than what we said or meant. Also, speaking for myself, I like you, considering you a wonderful sister in Christ that God has blessed me with. I am sure others here think the same. So be assured that you are loved and cherished on this forum.
As for me, I try to read almost all of what is posted on this forum because I respect everyone's ideas, that they took the time to post, and that they are brethren. I read most posts because I can learn from others, be made to ponder a topic and then explore it more deeply myself, add my view to the discussion. I can answer a question and I can know prayer requests so I can have the privilege to pray for the need expressed. Yet, each person is free to decide how they participate on this forum and I respect that as well.
So, may you have peace today. May you be encouraged and know that you are appreciated here and loved for who you are in Christ as we all should be. It saddens me to know that you think that some of us do not like you. I hope that God will assure you of your love and acceptance here, especially by those of us who post here. Have a blessed day.
Perhaps you have misunderstood my point concerning the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. The letter int he caser of the Decalogue is very specific but the spirt of the law encompasses so much more than just the acts spoken of in the Decalogue.
We are to be morally sound in our lives, not just in our outward acts, but inwardly, being transformed by the Holy Spirit to will and do what the Father wants us to do.
My post was not meant to be dismissive concerning moral actions. We are not to kill, commit adultery, etc. according to the Decalogue, but in the teachings of Jesus (Sermon on the Mount) and Paul's words concerning the law, we are to go deeper into what the Lord requires of us-not just outward obedience as the Pharisees did, but inwardly, with pureness of heart and true desire to live godly lives in the evil world we live in daily.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
GOD to shine HIS face gloriously on all who love and look forward to HIS coming!
Acts 20:7 makes clear that gathering of the saints occurred on the first day of the week to bolster the collection made according to 1 Corinthians 16:2. The prescident is really from the fact that Christ fulfilled Pentacost which was the 8th day of the week (or Sunday) in the O.T. times was celebrated 50 days after the Passover.
Since we are not to have certain days to be held above others as Romans 14:5-6 indicates; we have no right to dictate either Saturday or Sunday for worship as I see it. Again; the Old Testament command was for Israel specifically as anyone in the land who disrespected the Sabbath was severely punished (see Deuteronomy 5:14). Other laws in the Old Testament such as marriage were clearly upheld even with pagan societies (as we see with the case of John the Baptist when he was imprisoned for contesting with the marriage status of a secular leader married to his brother's wife). Murder was evident with Cain well before the law came out. The fact is that Saturday worship can no longer be as it was without the sacrifices and other ordinances of the O.T. times which have been gone since the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Christ is our Passover now ( 1 Corinthians 5:7) and the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath ( Matthew 12:8).
We also need to consider what Paul stated to those who were coming from pagan societies. He said in Acts 15:29 to avoid eating blood; or strangled animals (often done in pagan rituals) as well as sexual immorality. If Saturday worship was required you would expect something would be mentioned as all other things in the Commandments which are throughout the New Testament in the Gospels and Epistles.
There are further concerns with Adventist doctrines and Ellen White which I am not going to get into detail here; but this often is an added reason for this and other issues of contention. I agree that the edict of Milan enforcing Sunday worship is wrong also.
I read a little of Barnabas and he seemed to believe our hope for eternal life was something we are to strive for if we behave ourselves until we die. Anyway I only answered your reply because it didnt seem right not to. I have decided to stay with this forum but only with you and Christianlady7.
Keeping the SABBATH was a commandment of God not a law of the Jews. Talk to you soon. God Bless :)
John 17KJV
1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2As thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given Him.
3And this is life eternal,that they might know thee the only true GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. (combined with John 5:17)
5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
See, it is certain that the day of JESUS 'return is very very close. See how near He is, and take in mind that each passing day we are personally closer to JESUS. Time is ticking,ticking,ticking; see,don't sleep, but if you're already asleep, wake up, get up yourself fast.
Think well, we are at each day walking to meet our Lord JESUS- Matthew 25:6- , and He is coming walking to meet us in according He combined- John 14:1-4KJV:
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in GOD - the Word is GOD -, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Did you mean someone else? I do not recall sharing my views on this discussion.
I do want you to stay here with us.
Just as you quoted nonbiblical people to support your view, Jesse also quoted non-biblical people in support of his view. So if it was wrong for Jesse to do so, then it would be equally wrong for you to have quoted whom you did.
I hope you will stay with us here. We sometimes "step on each others' toes" at times but we do love each other. So, I guess that it is important to understand that we are all here to help each other as well as express a point of view. In regards to the topic of keeping the Sabbath law, we can agree that we disagree and then move forward. There are so many topics we agree on and many worthy of discussions, as this topic was. Hope to see you on another thread soon.
I am glad to pry for your father. How sad to see him go through this terrible disease.
Heavenly Father, we lay Mr. Isaac before You as he is in such need of your grace, mercy, and salvation as well as peace and comfort. Please, Father, take away these terrible dreams and evil ideas that are plaguing him often. Bring him home to Jesus now and to You when he passes from this life to the next. Father, You know all that Isaac needs now and we are trusting you to provide in this time that is hard for him and also for those who love and care for him. Help this whole family, Father, for You are good and merciful, long-suffering and wise. We bring Isaac before You in the name of Jesus. Amen.
Jema, since you did use these words to describe those of us who responded to Momsage, please show us. For me, to call us out using these words when we our words were not invective, aggressive, nor bullying is slander.
I am not posting this to bother you nor to put you down, but to reveal what the words you used truly mean. i want to own my own words if they are invective, aggressive, or bullying words. So I am open for your correction with specifics.
I love you dearly, Jema, and I do not want to hurt your feelings or do any damage to our friendship here, since I value you and our relationship. I always look forward to hearing from you.
I wanted to get back to you once again in order to define words you used concerning the speech we were using in replying to Momsage. I looked up these definitions online from several sources in order to have a comprehensive understanding of the words you used. Please read these and then you can get back to me and show me what was said that would qualify under these definitions. Such accusations of doing another wrong on this site is serious and it is best if we clear things up now.
Invective: denunciatory or abusive language; vehement denunciation or an utterance of violent censure or reproach; a railing accusation; insulting, abusive criticism that is forceful, unkind and rude; abusive venomous language used to express censure or bitter, deep-seated ill; revilement or rude expression intended to offend or hurt; language that is shouted at people they hate or are angry with characterized by insult or abusive words.
Aggressive speech: speech that blatantly ignores the other person's response; speech that is manipulative or expresses violence; cruel and unkind words intended to cause pain or distress; hate speech; speech that does not consider the feelings of the other; hostile, defensive, demanding, behavior fueled by emotion; speech that readily jumps to conclusions; passionate speech that is combative, assailing, attacking, quarrelsome, war-like, belligerent, barbaric, competitive and lacking empathy; speech that is hostile, demeaning, angry, violent, reproachful, and not open for feedback; speech that is defiant, overtly critical not to be helpful but to belittle or threaten; using words to assault, dominate, ridicule, manipulate, degrade, others negatively as a means of controlling and maintaining power; speech that is mocking, humiliating. judgmental, argumentative
Bullying: intentional harm-doing, harassment directed at vulnerable targets and typically repeatedly so; intentionally trying to upset or exert power over another; coercive; deliberate,
If I could I would mail you a KJV. I pray someone can send you one or that someone in New Zealand give you one. God bless you. Amen
God bless you.
GOD bless everyone in CHRIST name.
January 06, 2024
Thanks alot
Although I have been agressive to some people on this site in the past (and I have repented about it) I don't think I have been either agressive to Momsage or used words that insult, neither me nor any other person in that discussion about Sabbath. About singling her out how can that be? We don't know each other here on this site neither we have the same beliefs in every topic. When we list all we know about a topic is for making our beliefs solid, not to diminish the other person. Now to what was discussed. Momsage anchored herself to what she has read somewhere and I listed all historical events that I know to make her think that she may have the wrong impression about things she learned. Anyway, does all that mean that when I want to talk about something with others I should not say all that I know because that other person may feel inferior? Is this what you say? Is this right? Personally when someone talks about things that I don't know, such as history, I am very careful about what is said and then I look it up on the net. There is so much information nowadays on there from all sort of sources and it is good not to single out any church or denomination. But as far as the church history is concerned there is a wide acceptance all over the world about specific events in the history of the early church and when we hear something that sounds a bit strange in our ears then that makes us want to wake up that other person. There are some teachers or churches that in order to promote their ideas they twist some things on purpose, and I firmly believe that Momsage has fallen to that trap, because what she says that they say is not the accepted history of the church. We should be very careful in general when we hear something that is in total contrast to what all the others believe. Is is only us or some other specific teachers that God has revealed His truth? Why? Are we something special? Anyway, I think this is enough. Have a blessed day.GBU
Sorry, it should be the Feast of Unleavened Bread where the first and the seventh day are the holy convocation, not Passover, my bad.
God bless,
RLW
I agree with what you have said some things have been used for power and control, the day people go to a church is for their conscience and should not be a division. We see in Acts they were meeting every day of the week. But if I may point out a few things about the eighth day, not to debate but things you may want to study. The eighth day appears in various contexts in the Bible but to my understanding never as a day of the week, there are only seven days of the week.
God told Abraham that male children should be circumcised on the eighth day after their birth. We know now medically on the eighth day after birth, vitamin K in the body is at its highest level on the eighth day, and it is pivotal in blood clotting.
It comes up again with the Feast of Tabernacles on the first day and the eighth day was a holy convocation with no work outside of preparing food could be done, unlike the Passover where the first day and the seventh day were a holy convocation.
The eighth day was used in some sacrifices where it was done on the eighth day after the sin, some in the past have referred to the Lord's Day as the eighth day, referring to a new creation and some say it will be the final day of judgment, but I do not know much about that.
Pentecost, also known as the Feast of Weeks, you count seven Sabbaths after Passover, and it will be the first day after the seventh Sabbath. That makes it the 50th which is the meaning of pentekoste/Pentecost on the first day of the week after 49 days/seven Sabbaths.
They would count each day, this is the first day, this is the second day until the 50th day the second harvest would be presented to God and said it was the same day God gave the law to Moses on Mount Sinai. and the day of the giving of the Holy Spirit, the second harvest.
I hope you don't mind Richard and are not offended; I read and enjoy your posts and hope your health is good.
God bless,
RLW
God is a consuming fire and it denotes an aspect of His holiness, which is different from what we have here. "And, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.".(Ex.3:2-4). *There was a voice from its midst calling his attention. Naturally the Spirit presents Moses as the double for his Son to which we have a book-end in the transfiguration of Jesus again with a mountain in the backdrop. (St. Matt. 17:1-9).
In both cases we are looking at the glory of God and the tree refers to the tree of righteousness in terms of the tree of life. In the other the glory of spiritual body and the holy mount is another reference to the Son. Thus we have the glory in terms of the Father Son relationship.
Second point to remember is the glory of the Word and Moses with Elijah are served as double for the Son. (See under L-logos). (Ex.3:1-4).
God set up an encounter with Moses and his scholarly turn of mind turned back as foreknown. "And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I".
Spirit of Christ represents the glory which did not consume the tree which foreshadows tree of Life or of righteousness. The voice of the Lord has sent forth the word (Is.55:11). It also augurs the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. (See under M-parallelism)
* Explanation
Compare "And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."(Re.6:6) The Spirit speaks on a non-verbal mode. While the four beast are continually praising God,holy,holy, holy' they keep their role as MC. They represent Glory of creation and Man as the steward. With each rider they alternate correspondingly. "And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see."(v.7)
I am having severe health issues. Please pray for healing. Or at least understanding of God's will in this. Thank you and GB.
Sincerely,
A Brother in Faith
He sees ungodly spirits and his good dreams are no more. it is getting so bad. speaks w/what he is seeing. my mom passed away a year and a half ago and he says she's not in a good place. etc...
Asking for prayers for my sister, Selena and her family, they are caring for him and its getting worse.
Also asking for prayers for my daughters Alana & Marleen. Both are in need of Healing, Strength & Comfort and much needed of The LORDS direction.
Prayers for ALana's dad and his new wife. He & she are not doing our daughter right and he is neglecting her in every way.
prayers for myself please. i feel alone and useless. I need streghnth and help. tiered of everything. nothing is changing. stuck even when i feel closer to GOD. NEED A BREAK THROUGH.
You are conflating your perception of what you think is our view of Momsage with what we think. We do not think of her as weaker nor do are any of us intending to "pile on" her. This is not bullying. It is discussing with differing viewpoints. Others who think like Momsage are welcome to join our discussion. We are not singling her out in any way as a bully does, nor are we intentionally targeting her for mistreatment here. That has not occurred.
I can see you are very sensitive to people on this forum who seem weak or the underdog in a discussion in your eyes. I appreciate your compassion. But to call any of us bullies, aggressive, or invective in our posts to her is simply name-calling. You are assuming to know our motives and assume that we are attempting to bully or belittle her. We are definitely not intending this at all. So, please, let's be gracious to one another even as we discuss topics amongst one another. Our aim is to uplift, give thoughts to consider, and to express ideas that someone's original post prompts us to respond to.
It is good for you to be encouraging to Momsage.
I do not think Giannis, myself, or anyone else on this forum was being aggressive to Momsage nor where we trying to promote our selves, our scholarship, or our superiority. If that is what you get from our postings, I must say that you are reading more into what has been presented than what we said or meant. Also, speaking for myself, I like you, considering you a wonderful sister in Christ that God has blessed me with. I am sure others here think the same. So be assured that you are loved and cherished on this forum.
As for me, I try to read almost all of what is posted on this forum because I respect everyone's ideas, that they took the time to post, and that they are brethren. I read most posts because I can learn from others, be made to ponder a topic and then explore it more deeply myself, add my view to the discussion. I can answer a question and I can know prayer requests so I can have the privilege to pray for the need expressed. Yet, each person is free to decide how they participate on this forum and I respect that as well.
So, may you have peace today. May you be encouraged and know that you are appreciated here and loved for who you are in Christ as we all should be. It saddens me to know that you think that some of us do not like you. I hope that God will assure you of your love and acceptance here, especially by those of us who post here. Have a blessed day.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts today.
Perhaps you have misunderstood my point concerning the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. The letter int he caser of the Decalogue is very specific but the spirt of the law encompasses so much more than just the acts spoken of in the Decalogue.
We are to be morally sound in our lives, not just in our outward acts, but inwardly, being transformed by the Holy Spirit to will and do what the Father wants us to do.
My post was not meant to be dismissive concerning moral actions. We are not to kill, commit adultery, etc. according to the Decalogue, but in the teachings of Jesus (Sermon on the Mount) and Paul's words concerning the law, we are to go deeper into what the Lord requires of us-not just outward obedience as the Pharisees did, but inwardly, with pureness of heart and true desire to live godly lives in the evil world we live in daily.
John 1:
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
GOD to shine HIS face gloriously on all who love and look forward to HIS coming!
January 6, 2024
Acts 20:7 makes clear that gathering of the saints occurred on the first day of the week to bolster the collection made according to 1 Corinthians 16:2. The prescident is really from the fact that Christ fulfilled Pentacost which was the 8th day of the week (or Sunday) in the O.T. times was celebrated 50 days after the Passover.
Since we are not to have certain days to be held above others as Romans 14:5-6 indicates; we have no right to dictate either Saturday or Sunday for worship as I see it. Again; the Old Testament command was for Israel specifically as anyone in the land who disrespected the Sabbath was severely punished (see Deuteronomy 5:14). Other laws in the Old Testament such as marriage were clearly upheld even with pagan societies (as we see with the case of John the Baptist when he was imprisoned for contesting with the marriage status of a secular leader married to his brother's wife). Murder was evident with Cain well before the law came out. The fact is that Saturday worship can no longer be as it was without the sacrifices and other ordinances of the O.T. times which have been gone since the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Christ is our Passover now ( 1 Corinthians 5:7) and the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath ( Matthew 12:8).
We also need to consider what Paul stated to those who were coming from pagan societies. He said in Acts 15:29 to avoid eating blood; or strangled animals (often done in pagan rituals) as well as sexual immorality. If Saturday worship was required you would expect something would be mentioned as all other things in the Commandments which are throughout the New Testament in the Gospels and Epistles.
There are further concerns with Adventist doctrines and Ellen White which I am not going to get into detail here; but this often is an added reason for this and other issues of contention. I agree that the edict of Milan enforcing Sunday worship is wrong also.