RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY on 2 Peter 3 - 1 year ago
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10 KJV
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God said this can be sowed.
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men," Titus 2:11 KJV
We should only discuss doctrines that we all agree on and ignore the errant ones ? When did I say this to you ? Have you mixed me up with some one else ? Those are not my words sorry :) .
I appreciate your comment Jema and yes I also have a Strong's concordance and I also like Bible Hub. They are very helpful to me, however, I have to disagree with you in that we should only discuss doctrines that we all agree on and ignore the errant ones. Bennymkje is putting forth the definite doctrine that all the translations of the bible are inerrant, written by the Holy Ghost, but I can't let that ride. What if a new convert is on this site? Is it ok for me to let them believe any translation is ok, that it can be trusted as the true Word of God when only the KJB is? If I don't say anything and a believer reads the NIV as his favorite translation and they read in Rev. 13:8 that John saw an EAGLE flying threw heaven giving a warning instead of an ANGEL, do I not care?
ANGEL: A typically benevolent celestial being that acts as an intermediary between heaven and earth, especially in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Zoroastrianism.
EAGLE: Any of a number of large, strong, flesh-eating accipitrine (raptor) birds of prey noted for their sharp vision and powerful wings, as the bald eagle. REALLY!
I don't mean to be decisive on this site but I must put forward the truth and speak against the false that may be presented.
Yes, Behcet's is rare and most cases are in Turkey and then follow eastward along the silk road, thus it was termed the "silk road disease. It is very rare for someone of northern European descent (as I am) to have it. In the U.S. are only about 10,000-20,000 diagnosed with it. It is a lifelong vascular autoimmune inflammatory syndrome that can have some really serious complications. Most people are diagnosed in their 20's or 30's but I did not have my first flare up until 2 years ago. So that is good. Less time for the really serious complications to develop!
I do not have the results of the ultrasound yet. Should hear back in a day or two. Thank you for your prayers. I was really healthy and fine up until I turned 60 and then things started popping up. Can't really explain how that worked.
Well, we all have to age until God calls us home. So, we can face difficulties with faith and an uplifted spirt or be downhearted and cranky. I choose to be as positive as I can and of course, trust God with all of me and my life.
Glad it is warming up in your part of the country. Our little furnace problem and short power outage made us think of some additional things we can do to be more prepared for such things. So that was good.
Momsage, I pray that you will be so blessed today and that your time in the Word will grow you in multiple ways into the image of Jesus.
Please pray for me. I am single and I truly desire to be married to a Christian lady who is beautiful to me. I fear that I will never get married. I really desire a joyful marriage that is blessed by God, Proverbs 18:22. Please pray that Jesus Christ will show me mercy and grace and help me find and marry a wife who is beautiful to me, the helpmeet ( Genesis 2) who is right and best for me. Please pray that Jesus Christ will help me be a good husband. Thank you. May God bless you and keep you.
Please pray for me to have the guidance of the Lord in my decisions. May the Lord stay with me, guide me, give me the wisdom I need to make the right decisions for the praise and glory of His name. Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
Dear folks,i need your prayers desperately,i wake up every morning in pain now.I am trying to caregive for my mom .my knee is still damaged from a accident.I humbly ask you brethen for prayer.I am so discouraged.
Double in the parlance of the Spirit refers to Salvation that has its part on earth as well as in heaven. When the seventy other disciples returned rejoicing that even demons were subject 'unto thy name', Jesus responded, "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven." ( Luke 10:20). (see under B-book of life)
Fullness of the Son was made manifest even in his humanity proof of which was the perfection (He.10:14). So a believer who is led by the Spirit is being conformed to the image of Christ (who is in him by faith)." For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,(Col.2:9-NIV) This leads us to explain the ear of faith. Our natural ear hears but the ear of faith is Person specific. "God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God."(Ps.62:11) We hear in faith and do as he showed us. So how do we respond when we are falsely accused by the world. "Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:"(1 Pe.2:23)
Prophets of old expressed double in the sense Israel was dealt double for her sins double. By the same token Messianic promise of blessing were also double
(Is.40:2),(Is.61:7)
Jesus promised us double portion because he is risen from the dead This is revealed in terms of works. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father./ And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son./ If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."
we have Elisha asking for a double portion of Elijah's spirit we have this verse, "Let me inherit a double portion of your spirit". (2 Ki.2:9-10)
This explains the significance of the verse spoken by Moses,
"When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel."(De.32:8)
12 is the tag for the gospel of Christ. Now let us put the commandment of the risen Jesus to his disciples. They were to teach all nations.
So before the great flood God sets *the 120 years (12x10) as the basis of the days of nation.
After Babel was overthrown division of man among nations became on the basis 'every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.' (Ge.10:5)
*This must be seen in the backdrop of God's Commandment, "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(Ge.6:3) God made the gospel of Christ foreshadowing the Advent of his Son in terms of his gospel.
Dispersion of Israel, as with nations before them after the great flood is how God has caused the Salvation Plan work out among nations. Sin of disobedience of man scattered them and by disobedience of Jesus Christ they shall be gathered as one. "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." (Ro.5:18)
History of Israel's bondage in Egypt owe to the consequences of sin. St Stephen witnessed before the Council of the Elders' to say,'And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him',(Ac.7:9). Joseph whom God had foreknown as a double for his Son had to be avenged and after leading the Israelites out of the 'iron furnace' which was Egypt God commanded them through Moses," forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, 'Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.'(De.17:16)
Many Jews migrated to Egypt and took up their abode there. This migration began in the days of Solomon. These were dislocated further from Egypt and dispersion finds them taking roots along Asia Minor and beyond. There were Jews who never returned after waves of exiles under Assyrian and Babylonian captivity.
In the larger Plan where individual salvation God had determined for his Son as the heir unto all things Imperial Rome served just as well. When Paul a Roman citizen spread the gospel of Christ he found a ready soil. As Jewish Christians were forced to flee Jerusalem due to persecution, they were able to travel to almost any part of the world and find a Jewish population and a Jewish synagogue from which to share the gospel of Christ.
Jesus Christ before his Ascension would tell his disciple thus: "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth./Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"(Matt.28:18-20) "Teach ye all nations" is a commandment.
I pray that God allows healing in my life and forgive me for the sins I have done. I pray God forgives me for every foul thing that I have done I pray God leads me and hold me close to him and my children I pray God hug my children and keep them safe as a mom would hold her newborn baby. I pray God deliver me from the painful thoughts I have and painful memories I pray God hold onto me and never let me go I pray God never leave my side and be with me and my children forever
"He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions."(Ps.107:20). Here we have the complete will of God the Father. By healing the sick and demon-possessed Jesus was not working miracles but fulfilling the will of his Father.
At Bethesda we see an instance where the angel fulfills the office of the word. "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had." Jesus did not have to ask the helpless man to step in the pool. He simply fulfilled the divine Will.
Now the text:
"Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches./ In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water./For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had./And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years./ When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?/ The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me./Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk./And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked."
The Spirit qualifies God as Jehovah Rapha. But fall of man rendered man's labor wasted; his ground tainted and the climate maleficent. His sin causing collateral damage and all the poison man pumps as weedkillers affect even the sexuality of mankind(DNA of Male brains found in female brain.etc.,) are manifestations of our world. For those who trust in the word of God should believe God as the healer.
I agree , the KJB is the only one I use and I trust it implicitly . This is where concordances are so valuable to us , any disputes ? Check your concordance . Do you have a concordance Momsage ? They are worth getting for sure , I have a Strongs Exhaustive . Surely it's better to talk about what we are reading , which book ? What do we think about it ? Any questions about it etc . Let's help each other out and talk about the Truth , the actual Word and what it means to us . Much more fun than going round in circles .
I think you need correct this point when you write of my belief and I quote, ", honestly don't know if I'm following you and Bennymkje in your belief about the infallibility of the KJB. " The Bible is inerrant but KJB infallible, oh no! To the pure everything is pure. Even if one stutters to say 'The Lord is my shepherd' it doest matter he is reading from KJB or NIV, it is inerrant. It is all we need know. How long one shall humbug over trifles and keep an argument go on? Leave my name out, momsage.
Giannis I understand completely . I have a terrible tale to tell . An old school friend of mine was regularly raped by her father when she was a child . As an adult she could not bear the thought of a man touching her so became a lesbian . She wasn't promiscuous . Her sister , who was also raped by their father , had drug problems and became pregnant ( not by her father ) , she didn't want the baby but didn't want to abort either , so my friend adopted her sisters baby . All seemed perfect except my friend got into a permanent relationship with a woman and they lived together with the child for six years . After six years they broke up and my friends girlfriend sued for custody of the child and actually won ! This is insane to me and reminds of the phrase at the end of Judges , Ch 21 V 25 . May Christ return soon and establish righteousness in the earth . This world is on a fast track to complete disaster but , we must not despair , Christ is coming and these kingdoms of men will not stand , we must not be rattled , look up ! Our redemption draweth nigh ! :) .
Yes, KJV as with great many translations are compiled under the leading of the Holy Spirit. I am writing this by the same. You cannot be a child of God without being Led by the Holy Spirit.(Ro.8:14).
Hi GiGi. The cold has finally left us, at least for now. It's supposed to be up to 60% by Thursday. I'm thankful your furnace fix wasn't a serious problem. Josh and I are from Colorado, Denver and this kind of weather is much better tolerated there because they're use to it. Everything pretty well shut down here until now but it's going to be in the 50s tomorrow so things should be back to normal. I just am so thankful we stayed cozy and warm.
Did the massage help your shoulders? I have a lot of pain in mine because of Osteoarthritis. How did your ultrasound go? I pray it came out OK for you. I looked up Behctes Syndrome. That is quit the malady. It said it's rare. Did the doctors have a hard time diagnosing it? I need prayer for my knees. I'll probably have to have both of them replaced but at 76 I really don't want anymore surgery. I've had both my hips replaced but the last one was almost 10 yrs ago and it's was rough then. I guess when I've been around this long I should expect these things. I'm just a creaky old lady. LOL Take care of yourself and let me know how things go for you. I do have something I want to discuss with you soon.
Hello Richard, I am glad you pointed out the devotional aspects of Psalms. David wrote these under inspiration in times that were very real and that caused him to cry out to God when in anguish and praise God when exhilarated what he had in God and what God had done in his life. They are genuine to his life experience. But for us, the psalms speak to our souls in similar circumstances and help us because they are "God-breathed" and therefore "life" as Jesus said that His Words are spirit and life.
I think it is important to remember what God has spoken about His Word being alive and active. It is not mere words and sentiments of other men. It is meant to help us, inspire us, and teach us in God's way by the working of the holy Spirit.
Richard, We all have ways we need to grow in the Lord. We can continue to pray for each other when we share things such as you have in your post. We are in this life together with God and He intends for us to build each other up by making use of His Words to us and also in the words He prompts us to share with each other.
I agree with your application of 2 Timothy 3:16 and your use of the term "God breathed," as the phrase "inspiration of God" is one Greek word that means God breathed. This would include scripture that was in existence prior to 1611. I also agree that defining the word infallible is helpful.
I do not believe that any bible translation is infallible, including the KJV. In order to claim infallibility of any translation, we would also have to believe that the men involved in the translation process of whatever bible we choose to read were themselves infallible. No man (Christ being the exception) has ever been, or ever will be infallible, therefore, whatever translation put forth by man cannot be an infallible translation. The KJB translators never claimed infallibility for themselves nor their translation.
I'll probably take some heat from some on this forum for disagreeing with the infallibility of our English bible (all versions included), but first let me say that I am in no way discrediting the KJB. The KJB is my bible of choice when I study, not because I believe it is perfect, but because I believe it to be (one) of the better translations available.
There are other translations that can be trusted, although none are perfect. In order to make such a claim, one would have to take whatever version they choose, do a word-by-word comparison with the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic to confirm the infallibility of the translators. Other than that, we have to go off blind faith to claim infallibility of any version. I am not a King James Only believer and I would never judge another believer on what bible they choose to read or what church they attend. That is between them and the Lord. Richard, thank you so much for the things you share. You are a blessing to many, I'm sure. God Bless!!!
One example of a "unicorn" mentioned in KJV is clearly describing some other animal as it is a mythological animal that doesn't exist. In that case another version may make clear what it was referring to. With all that is said here it shouldn't dissuade you from believing anything of importance of doctrine in the KJV just that some other versions may have added detail or a slightly different accepted text included or excluded which doesn't change things much. We can almost always prove that when there is a difference than certain truths are in both versions of the same event; or there are two separate events (such as is indicated in different details in the Gospel accounts). One is missing most geneology (I think in Mark); other parts have the end of the Lord's prayer cut out (in Luke) which in reality is said only to be a sample prayer for us to follow. Again the Lord in His Providence kept certain things hidden from view and all the truth He wanted is in scripture; hence we can be assured that no one can add or subtract anything as Revelation states after that last book of scripture was written by the last surviving Apostle; John.
In general then we have an infallible scripture in the KJV which God also used an "infallable" means of preservation through the oral and later written texts through that time for the 1611 version except for the Apocrypha that was in some versions. It was first removed in 1666 apparently overseas but not until the 1800s in our nation so until then that part was NOT infallable.
I won't attempt to go on anymore at this point. This certainly shouldn't dissuade you from the KJV or your faith; but also of course you shouldn't say it is the ONLY version that has any truth and should see some other versions on occasion for clearer or alternative meanings of text. Only John Himself may know whether the woman caught in adultery actually occured; I see no reason to doubt it at least close to what is written.
I will appeal to 2 Timothy 3:16. It states that all scripture is God breathed (by inspiration) of God and suitable for teaching; correction; reproof; etc. That would insure that at the time the 66 books were approved (as opposed to spurious tales such as the Gospel of Thomas) in the Protestant Bible were indeed the infallable Word of God. So in that regard the answer for the King James Version; although it was after earlier versions (Latin Vulgate; Tyndale and Geneva and others) which THEMSELVES were copied from manuscripts which were at best several HUNDRED years removed from the original manuscripts are indeed infallable with the exception of versions that have later texts and some statistical information that may be off from the original manuscripts and earliest accurate historical accounts. In terms of doctrine therefore I would say that I am unaware of any laws or any other important supernatural accounts that are only seen in some manuscripts so that in that case ALL of what we read should be infallable.
Defining the word infallible is helpful. As to what the Catholics consider the Pope to have (and indeed if he WERE keeping the doctrine that Peter himself had as the so called first Pope) that is the standard I am using here. In other words in terms of doctrine he is claimed to be infallible; not to his so called "ex cathedra" statements. These extra sections such as the story between the end of chapter 7 and beginning of 8 in John about the woman caught in adultery involve no doctrinal statement as I said before. We see parts of Enoch mentioned in scripture which indicate that what is mentioned in that snippet (in Jude I think) IS the truth as to what the book originally said; but other parts are not so clear. I believe we are missing parts of some of it as well; but since the whole book isn't in the Bible God in His Providence used men such as those that screened the KJV to preserve His Word and remove spurious writings.
I meant to ask you, Who are the omitted kingdoms that you were referring to in your reply? I'm curious!
Also, When I refer to times of the Gentiles, it's represents successive Gentile kingdoms that will dominate until Christ returns and establishes His reign.
I, honestly don't know if I'm following you and Bennymkje in your belief about the infallibility of the KJB. Do you believe it was under the direction of the Holy Ghost from beginning to now so we have God's word that we can rely on or not? So, again, a simple yes or no would be nice ; is the KJB infallible or not?
Prayers answered: Filling the pews in our local church
Lately there have been a few new attendees in our church; nothing huge of note. We hear often of a desire for "revival" and being in the last days and seeing many so called revivals recently along with certain issues of question and the general warning of apostasy in the last days I am cautious about such prayers myself. But should we see results would we be prepared for the discipling and issues which would arrive complicating the associations we are used to having with such new demands on Sunday?
Also are we prepared if the enemy should bring in individuals attempting to infiltrate; whether known or unknown by the individual in question that they are an obstacle to the service? And also; would we be ready to LEARN from others who may have giftings or talents we haven't had in droves up to this point?
To be challenged by others more fervent in prayer; and better versed in scripture who actually are living out what they believe could make some churchgoers uncomfortable. I sense that with teenagers; many may not want to venture into the waters they have to navigate daily in regard to the suicidal and self destructive people they are forced to interact with every day in public schools (not to mention the ungodly teaching). Many are blissfully unaware or wish to avoid the occult practices that are rampant today with youth as well as out and out Satanism on the rise. There is a cost to our personal safety in reaching out to this younger generation but if we don't we are cloistering in our own company and putting our heads in the sand. They have much to teach us of the spiritual battles raging out there; as well as the testimonies of those set free (often without any discipleship for a great length of time).
In conclusion; if we are a true church of God there should be deliverance available; and we should expect God to act and draw those of all ages and backgrounds in time as He sees fit.
I have a request for joining in prayers about something that is happening lately in my country, Greece. The government here has decided to bring a law for voting in the parliament in the next 1-2 months about marrying homosexuals and giving them the right to adopt children. According to polls done recently the majority of people here are against such marriages and the vast majority, more than 70%, are against the adoption of children by those people. But the government seems to ignore those reactions and with the cooperation of other parties in the parliament they seem to be able to get a positive vote for their laws easily. They also have the press and the TV on their side(?) and they are making a huge effort to affect people's minds.
We, the saints, although not many, are the restrainer of the evil in this world. We have been given the power to object the plans of the evil. Our heavy arms is our prayers to the Lord. Please have us in your prayers. We need them. Thank you and may the Lord blesses your countries with all material and spiritual blessings. GBU
In light of the Great Commission at the end of Matthew 28; it is easy (at least for myself) to ignore the implications of us as a BODY in Christ doing the work of laboring. Again; I have stated in earlier posts that since I moved back home with my folks I am not surrounded by those who regularly go on the streets. As for now I am considering returning to the Nursing Homes in my area but apparently with COVID rampant that will have to wait at least a month or so.
My past experience sharing the Gospel with others has often provided good opportunities for discussion among the believers I am out with as well as other believers encountered on the streets and elsewhere. Of course we also have opportunity as Proverbs 27:17 states to sharpen one another as iron sharpens iron. Prayer is an investment to see growth in a local church; and I am seeing signs people are making more effort in my local congregation with seeing more teenagers and kids activities available. I have noticed in my home state (let's just say in the Northeast) at least there seems to be few youth groups for teenagers as there used to be 30 or 40 years ago and I would assume this is a larger issue; but was informed down south (specifically Texas) things were different.
In reality we can do janitorial work and be using a gift of service; or with a skill we have help someone with home repairs or moving (as I did quite often a few years back before I moved back here). In fact at my first church where they had youth group in large numbers I remember a service project day when we were randomly asked to do something for a few hours for someone else (I think someone helped wash my car).
In general we should seek the Lord to see what He would want us to do; and of course Pastors and elders should assist in these plans (for example all night prayer; fasting and the like). One big question is are we READY to see God answer such prayers should attendance increase?
Answer:
God said this can be sowed.
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men," Titus 2:11 KJV
ANGEL: A typically benevolent celestial being that acts as an intermediary between heaven and earth, especially in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Zoroastrianism.
EAGLE: Any of a number of large, strong, flesh-eating accipitrine (raptor) birds of prey noted for their sharp vision and powerful wings, as the bald eagle. REALLY!
I don't mean to be decisive on this site but I must put forward the truth and speak against the false that may be presented.
here.
God Bless :)
REALLY!
Yes, Behcet's is rare and most cases are in Turkey and then follow eastward along the silk road, thus it was termed the "silk road disease. It is very rare for someone of northern European descent (as I am) to have it. In the U.S. are only about 10,000-20,000 diagnosed with it. It is a lifelong vascular autoimmune inflammatory syndrome that can have some really serious complications. Most people are diagnosed in their 20's or 30's but I did not have my first flare up until 2 years ago. So that is good. Less time for the really serious complications to develop!
I do not have the results of the ultrasound yet. Should hear back in a day or two. Thank you for your prayers. I was really healthy and fine up until I turned 60 and then things started popping up. Can't really explain how that worked.
Well, we all have to age until God calls us home. So, we can face difficulties with faith and an uplifted spirt or be downhearted and cranky. I choose to be as positive as I can and of course, trust God with all of me and my life.
Glad it is warming up in your part of the country. Our little furnace problem and short power outage made us think of some additional things we can do to be more prepared for such things. So that was good.
Momsage, I pray that you will be so blessed today and that your time in the Word will grow you in multiple ways into the image of Jesus.
Double
Double in the parlance of the Spirit refers to Salvation that has its part on earth as well as in heaven. When the seventy other disciples returned rejoicing that even demons were subject 'unto thy name', Jesus responded, "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven." ( Luke 10:20). (see under B-book of life)
Fullness of the Son was made manifest even in his humanity proof of which was the perfection (He.10:14). So a believer who is led by the Spirit is being conformed to the image of Christ (who is in him by faith)." For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,(Col.2:9-NIV) This leads us to explain the ear of faith. Our natural ear hears but the ear of faith is Person specific. "God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God."(Ps.62:11) We hear in faith and do as he showed us. So how do we respond when we are falsely accused by the world. "Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:"(1 Pe.2:23)
Prophets of old expressed double in the sense Israel was dealt double for her sins double. By the same token Messianic promise of blessing were also double
(Is.40:2),(Is.61:7)
Jesus promised us double portion because he is risen from the dead This is revealed in terms of works. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father./ And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son./ If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."
we have Elisha asking for a double portion of Elijah's spirit we have this verse, "Let me inherit a double portion of your spirit". (2 Ki.2:9-10)
This explains the significance of the verse spoken by Moses,
"When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel."(De.32:8)
12 is the tag for the gospel of Christ. Now let us put the commandment of the risen Jesus to his disciples. They were to teach all nations.
So before the great flood God sets *the 120 years (12x10) as the basis of the days of nation.
After Babel was overthrown division of man among nations became on the basis 'every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.' (Ge.10:5)
*This must be seen in the backdrop of God's Commandment, "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(Ge.6:3) God made the gospel of Christ foreshadowing the Advent of his Son in terms of his gospel.
Dispersion of Israel, as with nations before them after the great flood is how God has caused the Salvation Plan work out among nations. Sin of disobedience of man scattered them and by disobedience of Jesus Christ they shall be gathered as one. "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." (Ro.5:18)
History of Israel's bondage in Egypt owe to the consequences of sin. St Stephen witnessed before the Council of the Elders' to say,'And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him',(Ac.7:9). Joseph whom God had foreknown as a double for his Son had to be avenged and after leading the Israelites out of the 'iron furnace' which was Egypt God commanded them through Moses," forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, 'Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.'(De.17:16)
Many Jews migrated to Egypt and took up their abode there. This migration began in the days of Solomon. These were dislocated further from Egypt and dispersion finds them taking roots along Asia Minor and beyond. There were Jews who never returned after waves of exiles under Assyrian and Babylonian captivity.
In the larger Plan where individual salvation God had determined for his Son as the heir unto all things Imperial Rome served just as well. When Paul a Roman citizen spread the gospel of Christ he found a ready soil. As Jewish Christians were forced to flee Jerusalem due to persecution, they were able to travel to almost any part of the world and find a Jewish population and a Jewish synagogue from which to share the gospel of Christ.
Jesus Christ before his Ascension would tell his disciple thus: "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth./Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"(Matt.28:18-20) "Teach ye all nations" is a commandment.
"He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions."(Ps.107:20). Here we have the complete will of God the Father. By healing the sick and demon-possessed Jesus was not working miracles but fulfilling the will of his Father.
At Bethesda we see an instance where the angel fulfills the office of the word. "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had." Jesus did not have to ask the helpless man to step in the pool. He simply fulfilled the divine Will.
Now the text:
"Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches./ In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water./For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had./And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years./ When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?/ The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me./Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk./And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked."
The Spirit qualifies God as Jehovah Rapha. But fall of man rendered man's labor wasted; his ground tainted and the climate maleficent. His sin causing collateral damage and all the poison man pumps as weedkillers affect even the sexuality of mankind(DNA of Male brains found in female brain.etc.,) are manifestations of our world. For those who trust in the word of God should believe God as the healer.
Did the massage help your shoulders? I have a lot of pain in mine because of Osteoarthritis. How did your ultrasound go? I pray it came out OK for you. I looked up Behctes Syndrome. That is quit the malady. It said it's rare. Did the doctors have a hard time diagnosing it? I need prayer for my knees. I'll probably have to have both of them replaced but at 76 I really don't want anymore surgery. I've had both my hips replaced but the last one was almost 10 yrs ago and it's was rough then. I guess when I've been around this long I should expect these things. I'm just a creaky old lady. LOL Take care of yourself and let me know how things go for you. I do have something I want to discuss with you soon.
God Bless :)
I think it is important to remember what God has spoken about His Word being alive and active. It is not mere words and sentiments of other men. It is meant to help us, inspire us, and teach us in God's way by the working of the holy Spirit.
Richard, We all have ways we need to grow in the Lord. We can continue to pray for each other when we share things such as you have in your post. We are in this life together with God and He intends for us to build each other up by making use of His Words to us and also in the words He prompts us to share with each other.
Have a good night's rest.
I agree with your application of 2 Timothy 3:16 and your use of the term "God breathed," as the phrase "inspiration of God" is one Greek word that means God breathed. This would include scripture that was in existence prior to 1611. I also agree that defining the word infallible is helpful.
I do not believe that any bible translation is infallible, including the KJV. In order to claim infallibility of any translation, we would also have to believe that the men involved in the translation process of whatever bible we choose to read were themselves infallible. No man (Christ being the exception) has ever been, or ever will be infallible, therefore, whatever translation put forth by man cannot be an infallible translation. The KJB translators never claimed infallibility for themselves nor their translation.
I'll probably take some heat from some on this forum for disagreeing with the infallibility of our English bible (all versions included), but first let me say that I am in no way discrediting the KJB. The KJB is my bible of choice when I study, not because I believe it is perfect, but because I believe it to be (one) of the better translations available.
There are other translations that can be trusted, although none are perfect. In order to make such a claim, one would have to take whatever version they choose, do a word-by-word comparison with the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic to confirm the infallibility of the translators. Other than that, we have to go off blind faith to claim infallibility of any version. I am not a King James Only believer and I would never judge another believer on what bible they choose to read or what church they attend. That is between them and the Lord. Richard, thank you so much for the things you share. You are a blessing to many, I'm sure. God Bless!!!
In general then we have an infallible scripture in the KJV which God also used an "infallable" means of preservation through the oral and later written texts through that time for the 1611 version except for the Apocrypha that was in some versions. It was first removed in 1666 apparently overseas but not until the 1800s in our nation so until then that part was NOT infallable.
I won't attempt to go on anymore at this point. This certainly shouldn't dissuade you from the KJV or your faith; but also of course you shouldn't say it is the ONLY version that has any truth and should see some other versions on occasion for clearer or alternative meanings of text. Only John Himself may know whether the woman caught in adultery actually occured; I see no reason to doubt it at least close to what is written.
Defining the word infallible is helpful. As to what the Catholics consider the Pope to have (and indeed if he WERE keeping the doctrine that Peter himself had as the so called first Pope) that is the standard I am using here. In other words in terms of doctrine he is claimed to be infallible; not to his so called "ex cathedra" statements. These extra sections such as the story between the end of chapter 7 and beginning of 8 in John about the woman caught in adultery involve no doctrinal statement as I said before. We see parts of Enoch mentioned in scripture which indicate that what is mentioned in that snippet (in Jude I think) IS the truth as to what the book originally said; but other parts are not so clear. I believe we are missing parts of some of it as well; but since the whole book isn't in the Bible God in His Providence used men such as those that screened the KJV to preserve His Word and remove spurious writings.
Following up on our previous discussion.
I have been busy and it slipped my mind,
I meant to ask you, Who are the omitted kingdoms that you were referring to in your reply? I'm curious!
Also, When I refer to times of the Gentiles, it's represents successive Gentile kingdoms that will dominate until Christ returns and establishes His reign.
God bless
I will join you in prayer on this issue.
God bless.
Lately there have been a few new attendees in our church; nothing huge of note. We hear often of a desire for "revival" and being in the last days and seeing many so called revivals recently along with certain issues of question and the general warning of apostasy in the last days I am cautious about such prayers myself. But should we see results would we be prepared for the discipling and issues which would arrive complicating the associations we are used to having with such new demands on Sunday?
Also are we prepared if the enemy should bring in individuals attempting to infiltrate; whether known or unknown by the individual in question that they are an obstacle to the service? And also; would we be ready to LEARN from others who may have giftings or talents we haven't had in droves up to this point?
To be challenged by others more fervent in prayer; and better versed in scripture who actually are living out what they believe could make some churchgoers uncomfortable. I sense that with teenagers; many may not want to venture into the waters they have to navigate daily in regard to the suicidal and self destructive people they are forced to interact with every day in public schools (not to mention the ungodly teaching). Many are blissfully unaware or wish to avoid the occult practices that are rampant today with youth as well as out and out Satanism on the rise. There is a cost to our personal safety in reaching out to this younger generation but if we don't we are cloistering in our own company and putting our heads in the sand. They have much to teach us of the spiritual battles raging out there; as well as the testimonies of those set free (often without any discipleship for a great length of time).
In conclusion; if we are a true church of God there should be deliverance available; and we should expect God to act and draw those of all ages and backgrounds in time as He sees fit.
Agape
I have a request for joining in prayers about something that is happening lately in my country, Greece. The government here has decided to bring a law for voting in the parliament in the next 1-2 months about marrying homosexuals and giving them the right to adopt children. According to polls done recently the majority of people here are against such marriages and the vast majority, more than 70%, are against the adoption of children by those people. But the government seems to ignore those reactions and with the cooperation of other parties in the parliament they seem to be able to get a positive vote for their laws easily. They also have the press and the TV on their side(?) and they are making a huge effort to affect people's minds.
We, the saints, although not many, are the restrainer of the evil in this world. We have been given the power to object the plans of the evil. Our heavy arms is our prayers to the Lord. Please have us in your prayers. We need them. Thank you and may the Lord blesses your countries with all material and spiritual blessings. GBU
In light of the Great Commission at the end of Matthew 28; it is easy (at least for myself) to ignore the implications of us as a BODY in Christ doing the work of laboring. Again; I have stated in earlier posts that since I moved back home with my folks I am not surrounded by those who regularly go on the streets. As for now I am considering returning to the Nursing Homes in my area but apparently with COVID rampant that will have to wait at least a month or so.
My past experience sharing the Gospel with others has often provided good opportunities for discussion among the believers I am out with as well as other believers encountered on the streets and elsewhere. Of course we also have opportunity as Proverbs 27:17 states to sharpen one another as iron sharpens iron. Prayer is an investment to see growth in a local church; and I am seeing signs people are making more effort in my local congregation with seeing more teenagers and kids activities available. I have noticed in my home state (let's just say in the Northeast) at least there seems to be few youth groups for teenagers as there used to be 30 or 40 years ago and I would assume this is a larger issue; but was informed down south (specifically Texas) things were different.
In reality we can do janitorial work and be using a gift of service; or with a skill we have help someone with home repairs or moving (as I did quite often a few years back before I moved back here). In fact at my first church where they had youth group in large numbers I remember a service project day when we were randomly asked to do something for a few hours for someone else (I think someone helped wash my car).
In general we should seek the Lord to see what He would want us to do; and of course Pastors and elders should assist in these plans (for example all night prayer; fasting and the like). One big question is are we READY to see God answer such prayers should attendance increase?