Asking for extra strong protection, intervention, grace, mercy, much more strength, much more love, the power of the Holy Spirit, guidance, wisdom and breakthrough for us and all in need. Also asking some help with something painful concerning some old friends (may not impede the ministry). Also help with P. and job and healing for M. and K. Thank you.
My first time here. So forgive me if I ask in the wrong place etc.
Psalm 75:8 says "For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; It is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: But the dregs thereof, All the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them."
In Luke 16:24 "24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."
My question is does the Luke 16:24 in any way cancel out Psalm 75:8. I understand the rich man was still in the not so good part of Abraham's bosom.
However I've been told that Psalm 75:8 would not be possible since there is no water thus no moisture in hell. Even tho that to me is clearly not the full extent of hell yet. Thank for any replies, Lester
"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?" (1 Ki.8:27)
Jesus Christ is the brightness of His glory since he proved the Word was doable. With one sacrifice he perfected all those who were sanctified. His body prepared for him before the foundation of the world fulfilled the divine Will. Body as a temple. Jesus had declared, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."( John 2:19) Forever thy word is settled in heavens, the Psalm quote helps us understand the glory of Son which has both power and wisdom associated with the Law. (Ps.119:89) The four and twenty elders as a memorial commemorated the body. "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,/Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;/Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high./Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." He is named and the name gives a clear distinction that he bears the name as befitting the visible image of the invisible God. Glory of the name is the Soul, and when we bear the name of Christians we are acknowledging we bring glory and honor to his his name. Our humility is not merely put on but withour lives we witness it. This explains why 24 elders remain unnamed. In trinity they witness the body along with the four beast. (Ph.2:5-9) This is the mind we ought to develop.
God is a Spirit. Thus Trinity is mirrored by all those saints called and blessed in the Son. Their body the church has only one name of the Son.
I merely wanted to show that symbols used change according to the context so Israel as a nation was rejected when the lion in the night vision of Daniel was plucked and made to stand like man. "and a man's heart was given to it."(Dan.7:4) Monarchial system has been done away with and man's heart sets Jesus in the direct frame of reference. Where does that leave Israel? Their dominion has been taken away. This is night vision and this clue, " In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon" tells us that we are looking at the divine Mind. "As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time."(7:12) Instead vv.13-14 conform the holy city of God descending from heaven. ("And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end," Re.21:1-6) Alpha and Omega refers to the Son fulfilling the divine Will of the Father. Not David but Jesus Christ the king of kings. In Daniel's vision he is given dominion, glory and a kingdom. This is set in heaven and it is where he is established. Ps.2:6-7
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
With regards to Israel as a nation this verse says with finality: "And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down."( 2 Ki.21:13)
A remnant of Israel will be included once they realize their error and come to him in genuine repentance. Their error was in not accepting the spiritual aspect of Messiah and the spiritual kingdom.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Zechariah ch 11 hinges on the first coming of Christ. It emphasizes the rejection of Christ.
Zechariah 11:14 "Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
This happened when Israel rejected their Messiah, and the veil was rent from top to bottom. Later the Romans came in and destroyed Jerusalem.
Then came the scattering.
Ezekiel is emphasizing the regathering and Spiritual revival.
As of now they are blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
In 2 Corinthians 3:14-16. Paul says "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Also here in Romans 11.
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
The veil on the heart and blindness Paul is speaking of in these two books.
Verse 16 of the Corinthians passage says "Nevertheless WHEN IT SHALL TURN TO THE LORD, the vail shall be taken away.
When what shall turn to the Lord?
Their "Stony" heart!
This will be done away with when God puts his spirit in them spoken of by Ezekiel and Jeremiah.
Now most agree the Church started and the Jews and Gentiles were put into one body by the Ressurection of Christ.
But here in Romans and Corinthians Paul is speaking of a future event.
There are two worlds framed by the word of God. Invisible made to appear which expains faith as the nonverbal mode of communication. So works explain from how what is seen delineates the holiness of God. "A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?" (Mal.1:6-7) Jesus Christ the Word become flesh showed how we ought to worship him. Offering polluted bread is how evangelicals serve God and mammon. Their Christian nationalism testifies against them that they withhold their due reverence (or tithes) Taken together their lives and offerings are merely chaff.
God prepared a body which signalled also the slain Lamb motif that should bring the bodies as a living sacrifice. (Ro.12:1) We are entering into a death in order to be conformed to his life. " Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,/ And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father."(Re.1:6-7). God rested on day Seven after blessing man (Ge.1:28). The four beasts and 24 elders are memorial and set before the throne of God. Symbols of kingship and priesthood the elders wear.
They are seated "clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.". Their priestly service is indicated by golden vials, "full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."
In this forum there has been lies spread giving them names which the Spirit has not given and given a status that defile the pure beings as intended by the divine Will. Solomon who went astray his heart being led away by his wives (1 Ki.11:1-5). For this reason let not anyone foist lies over the word of God. This is similar to give names to the Beast. 666 explains it already. Yet like Lucifer such liars say, "I will"
You write, "I take exactly what Ezekiel penned down in Ezekiel 37:16-21/and let verses 18 and 19 do the explaining./16) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions..."
I suspect all these confusion has arisen out of your own statement. You take exactly from Ezekiel as the last word on Israel as a Nation. Comparing spiritual with spiritual does not mean neglecting what the Spirit has laid out elsewhere and all these passages hold together in the Son and by him consist. (Col.1:15-19) Compare Ez.36/37 with Zec.11:14 "Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel."
Much of the heresies in the present day churches owe to a lack of vision and unwillingness to acknowledge the fullness of God in his Son. Both worlds of the Spirit and the body are to be treated as one. Israel making a homeland by deceit and chicanery in 1948 is not according to the will of God. Ez.3:35-36 What peace are they enjoying?
Israel and the Gentiles are of equal weight. God as the Creator does not play favourites. The birth of Pharez and Zarah shows it. "behold, twins were in her womb./And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first./ And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez./ And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah."(Ge.38:27-30) The scarlet thread shows redemption foreshadowing the Advent of Christ. Phares came out first. Remember the principe. The first shall be last and the last first. "But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."(Matt.19:30)
While interpreting passages one golden rule is that principles relating to the Word, Holiness of Godand the Son do not change. two sticks in Ezekiel have another meaning in Ze.11:10 "And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people." Next to it mention of thirty pieces of silver also is equally significanct. it is of the Son we are considering.
Thanks dear sister for your greetings & yes we had a lovely relaxing time away. Now, as you look forward to almost a new home to live in (after all the works are completed), and your first grandchild on its way, you both certainly have much excitement & joy ahead of you. Trust everything will go according to plan & you will know the Lord's enabling every step of the way ahead. May His Grace & Strength be your daily portion.
I suppose you believe in dispensations and I do not. I believe God had blessed man in our image in his Son. The first seven days are seven bullet points in the everlasting covenant drawn up between God the Father and the Son. God's blessings (Ge.1:26-28) are irrevocable. His calling and gifts do not need any revision. By separating light from darkness in Ge.1:3 there are only two nations children of light and of darkness. The other conclusions of Israel as a nation is hogwash. "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified."(Ac.20:32) Jesus Christ is our sanctification. (I Co.1:30). " For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,"(He.2:11,10) God blessed Abraham because of his faith and chose him as the heir of promise. "We're talking about Nation!" which is not Israel but those who were foreknown in his Son and obeyed.
"So, If God was going to use Abraham to make a Nation to make his name great amongst the nations and all those promises to Israel in the OT was "spiritually" a promise to the Church, and Israel was chosen to be the model and those promises wasn't for them why didn't God just use any other people like the Ismaelites or any other of Abraham's children descendants if they and the promises were figuratively?" You read wrongly God chose Israel "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"(Ep.1:4)
Restoration of Israel into their own land after their exiles show the long suffering God whose holiness shall not let Israel escape judgment. Without taking the worlds of the Spirit and of the body God has prepared one is sure to go wrong. The word sent out before the worlds shall not return to him void. History of Israel forms a part but as nation? Null.
Heavenly Father, I pray that You bless Atlene's husband with full recovery. Father God, please lead the medical team in finding what needs to be done. All for Your honor and glory. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ.
Thank You Father God, Thank You Jesus Christ and Thank You Holy Spirit. Amen
Moma G, I believe in miracles. Father God, I ask that You be glorified by blessing Moma's son and daughter-in-law with a bundle of joy. Father God, children are parents' love. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ.
Thank You Father God, Thank You Jesus Christ and Thank You Holy Spirit. Amen
Please pray for me a my family. I recently had 2 surgery, have been out of work for 6 wks now. I know God is in control, and has works for me to complete. God continue to bless us daily. Thank you in advance for your prayers.
If you would please pray that Brian and I would get the extensions we need for our living situation I would appreciate it. Also, if you would pray for health, healing and salvation for Brian, Allen, Danny, Derrel, Samuel, Timuson, Jose, Fernando and Arturo. Please pray for they are able to get their lives together and that The LORD provides for all their spiritual and material needs. Thanks.
To end the discussion, I'm glad you have repeated what I said and listed in my post. i.e. ''GOD did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word-even He Himself-to write the books of the Old Testament, and 'They already are enthroned around GOD's Throne clothed in white raiment and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold. They're already crowned''. Yes, I work with the Word of GOD- Hebrews 4:12-13.
In the other hand, you said me I'm wrong and I do suppositions because I stated who are the 24 elders that are crowned, and you asked: ''is it for writing merely Old Testament?'' Now, now, the OT is NOT mere writings as you say, no, absolutely no, it is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD is Spirit, self-executing, understand? The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, not a MERELY writings as you have posted. Fear GOD.
No, 'I don't also make it sounds mechanical' as you said in your reply, your peculiar verbiage in the second, and third and fourth paragraph only sounds like metal, like mere tinkling bells, nothing more than a comment without form and void. Fear GOD- Matthew 10:28.
It's evident today that they are still haven't accepted their Messiah and they're still without a King.
There is two stcks involved and they shall be joined and David shall be king over them. "Some say this will be literally David and others say Jesus" I believe it will be Jesus.
However we know neither is over there today. This is future.
Some say God broke those promises to Abraham because of Israel's disobedience or the promises was fulfilled at the cross.
If God was going to use Abraham to make a nation out of him, Note, (We're not talking about seed or Children, we're talking about Nation!)
The seed is Christ,
The Children is those which are of faith. and The Nation is Israel. "Our topic"
So, If God was going to use Abraham to make a Nation to make his name great amongst the nations and all those promises to Israel in the OT was "spiritually" a promise to the Church, and Israel was chosen to be the model and those promises wasn't for them why didn't God just use any other people like the Ismaelites or any other of Abraham's children descendants if they and the promises were figuratively?
There's promises of punishment if they disobey There is also promises of restoration that had nothing to do with obedience.
God's equity is in him bringing Israel back to their own Land and perform Romans 11:26.
"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Leviticus 26:32-33 is the condition Israel is in in Ezekiel 37.
Again judgment is much broader than the Babylonian captivity.
Deuteronomy 28:37 "And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among ALL NATIONS whither the LORD shall lead thee.
Deuteronomy 28:64-68.
"And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you"
This dispersion began when Roman destroyed Jerusalem 2000 years ago.
We have a regathering taking place here and we regard that as flesh on the bones but it shows up without the spirit as mentioned. ( Ezekiel 37:8.)
"And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: BUT THERE WAS NO BREATH IN THEM.
This is their current condition.
Verse 12, Is a ressurection of the Nation.
Ezekiel 37:12. "Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, ( AND BRING YOU INTO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.)
Ezekiel 36:26 reads, "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh"
You said,
"Israel failed with the Law of Moses and the tradition of their fathers. Only in Christ shall they reach that state"
Israel wasn't able to reach that state under the Mosaic law. The Mosaic law wasn't given for that purpose!
Ezekiel and Jeremiah states that God was going to do something NEW!
Jeremiah 31:31-34.
Ezekiel 11:19-20.
Ezekiel 36:26-27.
The Spirit within represents a NEW birth. The Law and the Prophet's taught this
Jesus counseled Nicodemus on this in
John 3:5-10.
Nicodemus was expected to Know this being that he was a Teacher of Israel.
The interpretation of the sticks is in passage. Ezekiel 37:16-21.
The two sticks represent the southern and the Northern Kingdom as mentioned.
Also, they will be gathered from every side and brought back into their own land.
Let's take Ezekiel 36 and Ezekiel 37 and put them in its proper context.
There's mention of a new heart and new spirit.
The dry bones.
The two sticks.
Their gathering.
and their own Land.
Ezekiel is writing during the captivity of Babylon but his writings extends past the captivity on into the latter days as do Daniel and Jeremiah.
Judgment of Israel is of a much broader scope than the Babylonian captivity.
We find that in Deuteronomy 28:37 ,64-68.
It's important to note that this dispersion is global, Not Babylon.
Also the gathering Ezekiel is talking about is global and exceeds Babylon.
This is a second gathering! Isaiah 11:9-12.
Isaiah 43:5-6.
When you read this you'll see that it has never happened.
They still have a heart of stone.
Some look at Israel today and say this must be the Church but "in those days" there is more to consider here than just the New heart concerning this prophecy.
Glad to have you back with us. I hope your vacation time was relaxing and peaceful.
We are waiting for our 1st grandbaby to arrive any day within the next two weeks. Pretty exciting.
Plus, we are in the middle of an extensive interior remodel. So, we are working around the work and the worker is working around us. The upstairs should be done in a week or two. Then the stairs. After that the downstairs beginning with the kitchen gutting and walls removed to open it up more since it is a galley kitchen. That will be challenging for us, but hoping the weather is fair these next few months so we can cook and eat outside most days.
Even so, despite the topsy turvy of all this, we are so blessed and thankful to God. Jesus is great and He brings us so much divine blessing every day!
Hello Naisa Koroi. In a short answer, I don't believe that worshiping God on a Sunday is breaking the 4th Commandment.
Briefly, my reasons are as follows: this Commandment, alongwith the others, were given to God's people, Israel, for their behavior before God & their fellow-men ( Exodus 20:1-17). The Sabbath was purely a day set apart from all others - a day of complete rest, thus it was a holy (i.e. sanctified, separated) day from the other six days ( Exodus 31:15).
The Sabbath Command never included the necessity to worship God, though it certainly could be used that way in the family home, & then later for functions within the Tabernacle of the Congregation, other sabbath observances, & latterly, in the Synagogue.
The Sabbath Day required that no work be done, even cooking or picking up sticks, moving furniture, lighting a fire, etc. ( Exodus 35:2,3). So the Jewish Sabbath has no correlation to when Christ's Church chooses to worship the Lord today. Some might choose to hold the Sabbath as a day of rest from all work, but for worship, believers in Christ can worship on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7), or any day of the week for that matter; even as Jesus told the Samaritan woman, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in TRUTH: for the Father seeketh such to worship him" ( John 4:23).
It's no longer the day of worship or the place of worship that matters (whether on Mt. Gerizim in Samaria, or even in the temple at Jerusalem, as Jesus told the woman), but that our worship, whether done in private or with a Church congregation, is done in the realm of the Holy Spirit & in Truth. So Naisa, may your heart be comforted that the day of corporate worship doesn't matter to the Lord, but that we worship Him with pure hearts, and in sincerity & Truth. Be blessed.
Psalm 75:8 says "For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; It is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: But the dregs thereof, All the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them."
In Luke 16:24 "24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."
My question is does the Luke 16:24 in any way cancel out Psalm 75:8. I understand the rich man was still in the not so good part of Abraham's bosom.
However I've been told that Psalm 75:8 would not be possible since there is no water thus no moisture in hell. Even tho that to me is clearly not the full extent of hell yet. Thank for any replies, Lester
"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?" (1 Ki.8:27)
Jesus Christ is the brightness of His glory since he proved the Word was doable. With one sacrifice he perfected all those who were sanctified. His body prepared for him before the foundation of the world fulfilled the divine Will. Body as a temple. Jesus had declared, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."( John 2:19) Forever thy word is settled in heavens, the Psalm quote helps us understand the glory of Son which has both power and wisdom associated with the Law. (Ps.119:89) The four and twenty elders as a memorial commemorated the body. "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,/Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;/Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high./Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." He is named and the name gives a clear distinction that he bears the name as befitting the visible image of the invisible God. Glory of the name is the Soul, and when we bear the name of Christians we are acknowledging we bring glory and honor to his his name. Our humility is not merely put on but withour lives we witness it. This explains why 24 elders remain unnamed. In trinity they witness the body along with the four beast. (Ph.2:5-9) This is the mind we ought to develop.
God is a Spirit. Thus Trinity is mirrored by all those saints called and blessed in the Son. Their body the church has only one name of the Son.
Bare with me and my slow responses.
I'm multitasking.
I'm at work.
I will try to get part 2 to you later today.
Thanks and God bless.
Glad your vacation was so very refreshing to you. It is always a blessing to speak with you.
I merely wanted to show that symbols used change according to the context so Israel as a nation was rejected when the lion in the night vision of Daniel was plucked and made to stand like man. "and a man's heart was given to it."(Dan.7:4) Monarchial system has been done away with and man's heart sets Jesus in the direct frame of reference. Where does that leave Israel? Their dominion has been taken away. This is night vision and this clue, " In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon" tells us that we are looking at the divine Mind. "As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time."(7:12) Instead vv.13-14 conform the holy city of God descending from heaven. ("And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end," Re.21:1-6) Alpha and Omega refers to the Son fulfilling the divine Will of the Father. Not David but Jesus Christ the king of kings. In Daniel's vision he is given dominion, glory and a kingdom. This is set in heaven and it is where he is established. Ps.2:6-7
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
With regards to Israel as a nation this verse says with finality: "And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down."( 2 Ki.21:13)
A remnant of Israel will be included once they realize their error and come to him in genuine repentance. Their error was in not accepting the spiritual aspect of Messiah and the spiritual kingdom.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Part 1
Zechariah ch 11 hinges on the first coming of Christ. It emphasizes the rejection of Christ.
Zechariah 11:14 "Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
This happened when Israel rejected their Messiah, and the veil was rent from top to bottom. Later the Romans came in and destroyed Jerusalem.
Then came the scattering.
Ezekiel is emphasizing the regathering and Spiritual revival.
As of now they are blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
In 2 Corinthians 3:14-16. Paul says "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Also here in Romans 11.
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
The veil on the heart and blindness Paul is speaking of in these two books.
Verse 16 of the Corinthians passage says "Nevertheless WHEN IT SHALL TURN TO THE LORD, the vail shall be taken away.
When what shall turn to the Lord?
Their "Stony" heart!
This will be done away with when God puts his spirit in them spoken of by Ezekiel and Jeremiah.
Now most agree the Church started and the Jews and Gentiles were put into one body by the Ressurection of Christ.
But here in Romans and Corinthians Paul is speaking of a future event.
See part 2
There are two worlds framed by the word of God. Invisible made to appear which expains faith as the nonverbal mode of communication. So works explain from how what is seen delineates the holiness of God. "A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?" (Mal.1:6-7) Jesus Christ the Word become flesh showed how we ought to worship him. Offering polluted bread is how evangelicals serve God and mammon. Their Christian nationalism testifies against them that they withhold their due reverence (or tithes) Taken together their lives and offerings are merely chaff.
God prepared a body which signalled also the slain Lamb motif that should bring the bodies as a living sacrifice. (Ro.12:1) We are entering into a death in order to be conformed to his life. " Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,/ And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father."(Re.1:6-7). God rested on day Seven after blessing man (Ge.1:28). The four beasts and 24 elders are memorial and set before the throne of God. Symbols of kingship and priesthood the elders wear.
They are seated "clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.". Their priestly service is indicated by golden vials, "full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."
In this forum there has been lies spread giving them names which the Spirit has not given and given a status that defile the pure beings as intended by the divine Will. Solomon who went astray his heart being led away by his wives (1 Ki.11:1-5). For this reason let not anyone foist lies over the word of God. This is similar to give names to the Beast. 666 explains it already. Yet like Lucifer such liars say, "I will"
You write, "I take exactly what Ezekiel penned down in Ezekiel 37:16-21/and let verses 18 and 19 do the explaining./16) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions..."
I suspect all these confusion has arisen out of your own statement. You take exactly from Ezekiel as the last word on Israel as a Nation. Comparing spiritual with spiritual does not mean neglecting what the Spirit has laid out elsewhere and all these passages hold together in the Son and by him consist. (Col.1:15-19) Compare Ez.36/37 with Zec.11:14 "Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel."
Much of the heresies in the present day churches owe to a lack of vision and unwillingness to acknowledge the fullness of God in his Son. Both worlds of the Spirit and the body are to be treated as one. Israel making a homeland by deceit and chicanery in 1948 is not according to the will of God. Ez.3:35-36 What peace are they enjoying?
Israel and the Gentiles are of equal weight. God as the Creator does not play favourites. The birth of Pharez and Zarah shows it. "behold, twins were in her womb./And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first./ And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez./ And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah."(Ge.38:27-30) The scarlet thread shows redemption foreshadowing the Advent of Christ. Phares came out first. Remember the principe. The first shall be last and the last first. "But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."(Matt.19:30)
While interpreting passages one golden rule is that principles relating to the Word, Holiness of Godand the Son do not change. two sticks in Ezekiel have another meaning in Ze.11:10 "And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people." Next to it mention of thirty pieces of silver also is equally significanct. it is of the Son we are considering.
I suppose you believe in dispensations and I do not. I believe God had blessed man in our image in his Son. The first seven days are seven bullet points in the everlasting covenant drawn up between God the Father and the Son. God's blessings (Ge.1:26-28) are irrevocable. His calling and gifts do not need any revision. By separating light from darkness in Ge.1:3 there are only two nations children of light and of darkness. The other conclusions of Israel as a nation is hogwash. "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified."(Ac.20:32) Jesus Christ is our sanctification. (I Co.1:30). " For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,"(He.2:11,10) God blessed Abraham because of his faith and chose him as the heir of promise. "We're talking about Nation!" which is not Israel but those who were foreknown in his Son and obeyed.
"So, If God was going to use Abraham to make a Nation to make his name great amongst the nations and all those promises to Israel in the OT was "spiritually" a promise to the Church, and Israel was chosen to be the model and those promises wasn't for them why didn't God just use any other people like the Ismaelites or any other of Abraham's children descendants if they and the promises were figuratively?" You read wrongly God chose Israel "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"(Ep.1:4)
Restoration of Israel into their own land after their exiles show the long suffering God whose holiness shall not let Israel escape judgment. Without taking the worlds of the Spirit and of the body God has prepared one is sure to go wrong. The word sent out before the worlds shall not return to him void. History of Israel forms a part but as nation? Null.
Thank You Father God, Thank You Jesus Christ and Thank You Holy Spirit. Amen
Thank You Father God, Thank You Jesus Christ and Thank You Holy Spirit. Amen
To end the discussion, I'm glad you have repeated what I said and listed in my post. i.e. ''GOD did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word-even He Himself-to write the books of the Old Testament, and 'They already are enthroned around GOD's Throne clothed in white raiment and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold. They're already crowned''. Yes, I work with the Word of GOD- Hebrews 4:12-13.
In the other hand, you said me I'm wrong and I do suppositions because I stated who are the 24 elders that are crowned, and you asked: ''is it for writing merely Old Testament?'' Now, now, the OT is NOT mere writings as you say, no, absolutely no, it is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD is Spirit, self-executing, understand? The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, not a MERELY writings as you have posted. Fear GOD.
No, 'I don't also make it sounds mechanical' as you said in your reply, your peculiar verbiage in the second, and third and fourth paragraph only sounds like metal, like mere tinkling bells, nothing more than a comment without form and void. Fear GOD- Matthew 10:28.
The birth of my latest grandson.
A job that I truly enjoy helping people.
To keep my mom safe with her life, health, and strength.
Bankruptcy
Writ of possessions
Thank God for everything done now and forever.
It's evident today that they are still haven't accepted their Messiah and they're still without a King.
There is two stcks involved and they shall be joined and David shall be king over them. "Some say this will be literally David and others say Jesus" I believe it will be Jesus.
However we know neither is over there today. This is future.
Some say God broke those promises to Abraham because of Israel's disobedience or the promises was fulfilled at the cross.
If God was going to use Abraham to make a nation out of him, Note, (We're not talking about seed or Children, we're talking about Nation!)
The seed is Christ,
The Children is those which are of faith. and The Nation is Israel. "Our topic"
So, If God was going to use Abraham to make a Nation to make his name great amongst the nations and all those promises to Israel in the OT was "spiritually" a promise to the Church, and Israel was chosen to be the model and those promises wasn't for them why didn't God just use any other people like the Ismaelites or any other of Abraham's children descendants if they and the promises were figuratively?
There's promises of punishment if they disobey There is also promises of restoration that had nothing to do with obedience.
God's equity is in him bringing Israel back to their own Land and perform Romans 11:26.
"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
God bless
Part 2.
Leviticus 26:32-33 is the condition Israel is in in Ezekiel 37.
Again judgment is much broader than the Babylonian captivity.
Deuteronomy 28:37 "And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among ALL NATIONS whither the LORD shall lead thee.
Deuteronomy 28:64-68.
"And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you"
This dispersion began when Roman destroyed Jerusalem 2000 years ago.
We have a regathering taking place here and we regard that as flesh on the bones but it shows up without the spirit as mentioned. ( Ezekiel 37:8.)
"And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: BUT THERE WAS NO BREATH IN THEM.
This is their current condition.
Verse 12, Is a ressurection of the Nation.
Ezekiel 37:12. "Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, ( AND BRING YOU INTO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.)
See part 3.
Pt 1
Ezekiel 36:26 reads, "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh"
You said,
"Israel failed with the Law of Moses and the tradition of their fathers. Only in Christ shall they reach that state"
Israel wasn't able to reach that state under the Mosaic law. The Mosaic law wasn't given for that purpose!
Ezekiel and Jeremiah states that God was going to do something NEW!
Jeremiah 31:31-34.
Ezekiel 11:19-20.
Ezekiel 36:26-27.
The Spirit within represents a NEW birth. The Law and the Prophet's taught this
Jesus counseled Nicodemus on this in
John 3:5-10.
Nicodemus was expected to Know this being that he was a Teacher of Israel.
The interpretation of the sticks is in passage. Ezekiel 37:16-21.
The two sticks represent the southern and the Northern Kingdom as mentioned.
Also, they will be gathered from every side and brought back into their own land.
Let's take Ezekiel 36 and Ezekiel 37 and put them in its proper context.
There's mention of a new heart and new spirit.
The dry bones.
The two sticks.
Their gathering.
and their own Land.
Ezekiel is writing during the captivity of Babylon but his writings extends past the captivity on into the latter days as do Daniel and Jeremiah.
Judgment of Israel is of a much broader scope than the Babylonian captivity.
We find that in Deuteronomy 28:37 ,64-68.
It's important to note that this dispersion is global, Not Babylon.
Also the gathering Ezekiel is talking about is global and exceeds Babylon.
This is a second gathering! Isaiah 11:9-12.
Isaiah 43:5-6.
When you read this you'll see that it has never happened.
They still have a heart of stone.
Some look at Israel today and say this must be the Church but "in those days" there is more to consider here than just the New heart concerning this prophecy.
look at the previous verses. Isaiah 11:6-9.
See pt 2.
Glad to have you back with us. I hope your vacation time was relaxing and peaceful.
We are waiting for our 1st grandbaby to arrive any day within the next two weeks. Pretty exciting.
Plus, we are in the middle of an extensive interior remodel. So, we are working around the work and the worker is working around us. The upstairs should be done in a week or two. Then the stairs. After that the downstairs beginning with the kitchen gutting and walls removed to open it up more since it is a galley kitchen. That will be challenging for us, but hoping the weather is fair these next few months so we can cook and eat outside most days.
Even so, despite the topsy turvy of all this, we are so blessed and thankful to God. Jesus is great and He brings us so much divine blessing every day!
Hope to hear more from you soon.
that is the way I see it.
Blessings.
Briefly, my reasons are as follows: this Commandment, alongwith the others, were given to God's people, Israel, for their behavior before God & their fellow-men ( Exodus 20:1-17). The Sabbath was purely a day set apart from all others - a day of complete rest, thus it was a holy (i.e. sanctified, separated) day from the other six days ( Exodus 31:15).
The Sabbath Command never included the necessity to worship God, though it certainly could be used that way in the family home, & then later for functions within the Tabernacle of the Congregation, other sabbath observances, & latterly, in the Synagogue.
The Sabbath Day required that no work be done, even cooking or picking up sticks, moving furniture, lighting a fire, etc. ( Exodus 35:2,3). So the Jewish Sabbath has no correlation to when Christ's Church chooses to worship the Lord today. Some might choose to hold the Sabbath as a day of rest from all work, but for worship, believers in Christ can worship on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7), or any day of the week for that matter; even as Jesus told the Samaritan woman, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in TRUTH: for the Father seeketh such to worship him" ( John 4:23).
It's no longer the day of worship or the place of worship that matters (whether on Mt. Gerizim in Samaria, or even in the temple at Jerusalem, as Jesus told the woman), but that our worship, whether done in private or with a Church congregation, is done in the realm of the Holy Spirit & in Truth. So Naisa, may your heart be comforted that the day of corporate worship doesn't matter to the Lord, but that we worship Him with pure hearts, and in sincerity & Truth. Be blessed.
I will let that pass.