This inheritance we here discuss is with regards to the earth whereas the new heaven denotes that the Law shall go forth from Zion which is on the holy mountain. "
Compare the above with the state of the earth and the heaven. "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light." This is how the prophet in his prophetic vision gives us a view from the standpoint of the outer darkness. Jeremiah is referring to outer darkness and not of Jesus the Alpha aspect which so Genesis began with,"In the beginning" Here we are looking at Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever that explains his Omega aspect. So end times refer to him as the ending. "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."(Re.1:18; He.13:8) This distinction is crucial to follow the thread of judgment before the white throne and the day of regeneration.
"When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel."(De.32:8) Ezekiel picks up the thread dropped by Moses. Ezekiel gives the other nations also their share, " and to the strangers that sojourn among you" since the land is of the Son. The earth for this reason abides forever. (Ec.1:4) Israel's claim is as good as that of the Gentiles under the new administration."The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me." The stone that was rejected became the headstone; so were "the little ones" despised earlier now exalted and given thrones and sit in judgment.
Psalm 1 is a Messianic psalm, "The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away./ Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous./For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous."
North indicates judgement. Jeremiah also refers to 'in that day' which is different from what Prophet Zechariah predicted. It is not to cleanse them but to make a distinction between what is holy and what is not. The holy city of God is holy and the footstool is not. "And it shall come to pass at that day,"and "I will give my sentence against them".(Je.4:9-12) "At that time shall it be said to this people and to Jerusalem, A dry wind of the high places in the wilderness toward the daughter of my people, not to fan, nor to cleanse,/Even a full wind from those places shall come unto me: now also will I give sentence against them."
The term 'idols" we need see as a tag overarching from Mount Sinai to the end times. The golden calf was in the hearts of nations and Israel like Rachel had by stealth carried along. (Ge.31:34) Jeremiah continues, " For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end." (4:27) This remnant is what figures in the Zechariah quote. Isaiah also refers to the wrath of the Lamb. "In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;/To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth." Israel shall be wrung through a great tribulation while the throne of the Lamb is established on the holy mountain.
Compare the line of flax and the reed, "a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed," which refers to Israel and other nations. Among priestly garments God stipulated linen,"fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." and "And thou shalt embroider the coat of fine linen," for Israel.(Ex.28) The reed of 6 cubits signify nations. The golden reed for faith is what made the single measurement.(Re.21:17)
While continuing with Ezekiel the north refers to Zion founded above mountains, "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King." (Ps.48:1-2) This is a holy mountain. Ezekiel is given a guided tour like St John, Ezekiel refers to the city, "and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south."(40:2) The throne of the Lamb is on the right hand of the throne of God. Ps,110:1 also refers to 'thy footstool'. So the nations are given a place in relation to the throne.
" In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness."(Ze.13:1) Further down in Ez.47 we are shown the living waters in its mighty course, "Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed."(47:8) There shall be a revival for them. Prophet Zechariah refers to in that day' to the day of regeneration where the apostles shall judge the 12 tribes. The throne of glory is set in relation to his 'footstool', "when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."(Matt.19:28) This judgement we shall see in the measurement the angel uses, "a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit"(Ez.40:5) The same measure applies to the idol of the nations."Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits."(Dan.2:5). On the other hand in the case of St John it was a single measurement man-angel where the man and his angel in Christ served as one unit. "and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day."(Is.2:11).O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord./Therefore thou hast forsaken ..."
James 2:9-12: James is writing in these verses about those who would "keep (fully obey) the whole law", yet go astray even by committing one sin in a moment of time, having demonstrated their inability to keep (continually uphold) the Law as required. "So speak ye ( James 1:26), and so do ( James 2:17), as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty (the Law believers are under, 2 Corinthians 2:17, Galatians 5:1, James 1:25)". The Law of Liberty, can also be referred to the Law of the Spirit Who gives Liberty ( 2 Corinthians 3:17, Romans 8:2), assures our hearts that we are accepted of the Lord because we have been forgiven & the Gift of the Holy Spirit continually ministers to our hearts & lives to help us live holy lives or lead us/discipline us when we stray off course.
This Liberty, the Law could never give - Israel always remained fearful of it, eventually leading them into idolatry & debauchery, but to those IN Christ Jesus there is now no condemnation who walk after the Spirit ( Romans 8:1) - we should not be bound to the letter that had as its goal to expose & destroy souls, but to the Spirit Who gives Power & Life to obey God perfectly, "hating even the garment spotted by the flesh" ( Jude 1:23). Only the Laws given us by the Spirit to our hearts cover every area of our lives, ministering to us in His Way (& not in human strength), so we can live above the letter's demands but as new creations in Christ. There was nothing wrong with the 10 Commandments, for they are from God & His Truth - but they were for Israel alone, for their conduct before God & man, to show them their sin, God's requirements, & prepare them to approach God in Love, Truth, & Faith. All who did at that time were accepted by their faith alone ( Hebrews 11:39,40) & not on how well they kept the Law. Romans 8:3,4 (we allow the righteousness of the Law to work & be fulfilled in us by God's Spirit - never appealing to the letter, which is devoid of life). Every blessing.
GOD will not revoke his wrath,under Him the proud helpers bow,do stoop under Him. Job 9:13
Revelation 11:18 -
18 And the nations were (WILL BE) angry(wrathed), and thy WRATH is come (GOD's WRATH), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY them which destroy the earth.
14For when the Gentiles, which HAVE NOT THE LAW, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, HAVING NOT THE LAW, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16In the Day (this Day arrived, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) when GOD shall Judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ (the Judgment Seat of Christ) according to my gospel.
Get ready
12For as many as have sinned WITHOUT LAW(the Gentiles)shall also PERISH WITHOUT LAW:and as many as have sinned in the LAW shall be JUDGED by the LAW;
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself WRATH against the Day of WRATH and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;(This Day arrived)
6 Who will render to EVERY MAN according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL LIFE:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness, INDIGNATION AND WRATH,
(What is written in the verses 7 and 8 above will be LITERALLY fulfilled from now on. The Word is GOD, GOD HIMSELF, self-executing,understand?)
9TRIBULATION and ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL of man that doeth evil,of the JEW first,and also of the GENTILE;
( Isaiah 26:20-21->20 Come,my people,enter thou into thy chambers,and shut thy doors about thee:HIDE THYSELF as it were for a little moment(the last week-week 70th- Daniel 9:27),until the INDIGNATION be overpast. 21 For,behold, the LORD cometh out of His place to PUNISH the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity( Matthew 24:10-13): the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain)
10But glory,honour,and peace,to every man that worketh good,to the JEW first,and also to the GENTILE;
The Lord oversees the physical being of His creations, as He told Moses He created the tongue when one cannot articulate. He did not allow Satan to take Job's life to restore him back twofold even stronger than the first. And His touch can remit the sins, For he does not shame why the blind man and his ancestors' past why he was, but heals him to tell of His glory to save. Amen,
The Lord recreates the world we reside in with new by His regeneration from the Dead. He brought back the man blind by the Angels' pool, He rose Lazarus on the 4th day, and restored the crippled man's hand just like the other hand as opportunities to show His mercy. All that your family relations require for a full life, He has redeemed you to the full sense as He bought Your life by the Blood off the Cross to beat the illnesses. Amen.
The Lord God heals the infirm, as He rebirths them from the unclean to clean. As He went on His missionary abroad, He healed those that plead before him, asking no more than to accept their new condition. He takes away the unclean to His Cross where the ordinance and statutes set against His beloved children shall no testify against them, as He silences the penalities of generations before. Amen.
The Lord hears the cries of the oppressed. He shall not be far off to miss a word. He declared, Touch not my anointed, Ye Kings and Rulers of the Earth, be wise to take my counsel that I chose the Church as my people. In the day of Battle, He remembered His promise longlasting to protect His Church from persecution and erasure to make His people survive the ages. He will do for your missionary friends. Amen.
The Fruits of the Spirits shall deck you out as a golden apple in silver framing in Proverbs. The good ways that you will set out messages will cultivate the answers for your business practices and religion to work out well as a blesser. Amen.
Yea though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no evil to fall on me, for the Lord Jesus is with me. I will journey through the green pastures, and take breaks at the still waters when times will flip around in favor. The Lord knows my goings how arduous It can be with me and my friends, and He will ease it up so we can taste the good He prepares for me instead of hindered any more. I pray for you. Amen.
The Lord holds dominion over the angels, even those who defected over to Satan's side, to speak onto them then they bewildered in the Gospel, depart from Him. None can counterfeit the power that He provides to provide life to the world to last thousands of years, none can harm the future of others through false prophesy, as He protected His people from Pharaoh, Balam, and Simon. He shall do unto you as He did to remove the spell craft far off. Amen.
In Jesus' power, He will dip your foot in oil as He did Asher to bless him to gain bounties of fruitfulness in His existence. In the same vein, for the Apostles, He will bless you to travel afar to break the walls of language and culture to evangelize the truth to unite the North and South. Amen.
The Lord binds the wounded of their wounds, He remembers that man is made of dust, put through the wilderness for 40 years of painstaking He pities His people. He provide springs when they felt stricken, He feed them quail meat when they wished for more richness, and He cured them of the vipers that bite them. For each is a model that represents your family's life, the Compassion of Jesus despite the hardest thing, He saw the work through to bless them above other nations, and so He will do for You. Amen.
The Lord said to the lame man lowered in the roof, Thy sins be forgiven. It is easier for the Divine Son of God to say hold faith on me than get up and walk. For He has the authority and doctrine to forgive sins as the Symbol of Compassion towards men to ask him than work hard for approval in the old system. Amen.
c. just considering the two passages you shared about "obeying the commandments":
Romans 2:12,13 which needs to be considered in its entirety Romans 2:12-16. Verse 12: Paul refers to those without the Law (i.e. Gentiles) will perish, just as those of Israel (in the Law), who sin will perish. Verse 13: only the doers of the Law (i.e. those given the Law) will be justified (but none have kept the Law perfectly leading to justification). Verses 14,15: Paul confirms that the Gentiles never received the Law, but by nature/conscience sake demonstrate the working of the Law within them. And so Gentiles construct their own law to suit their lives/consciences, yet without God's Law being their motivation & yardstick.
So these verses don't tell me that Christians come under the Law to obey them, rather they speak of Gentiles who have not received the Law, avoid God's Work of appealing to their (some of their) hearts, & ultimately refusing to hear & obey the Gospel that can deliver them from the agony & weight of their sin. These, along with Israel who do not keep God's Laws perfectly (as none can anyway), will perish, without the One Who came to fulfil the Law & redeem them by being their substitute for sin's punishment.
Not a problem Momsage. I'm more than happy to converse with anyone who wishes to do so, though I was careful to not overstep the bounds you had once set to your communicants.
I understand that you're referencing only the 10 Commandments as the Law given, & as I stated, to Israel only. So your questions:
a. when we refer to Gentiles, we can think of all those outside of God's special called-out people; those of old-time who never even heard of such a Law & were a law unto themselves, and now to us now, who have heard of the Law, but are brought under subjection to governments of men. So, what standards do the Gentiles follow? Those of old times, Romans 2:14 applies, "...the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves", but the 'working of the law is upon their hearts, excusing or accusing them'. Those under civil government are subject to the 'laws of the land' regardless of how well govts adhere to Divine Law or not. Many gentiles today, as those of yesteryear, have no idea of those laws given to Israel, but they do know that civil law bares its ruthless arm against them.
b. the "imputed laws that Jesus expects us (Christians?) to obey", would be everything that we need to know & obey according to the dictates of the Holy Spirit within us. And these 'laws' I think you would agree, go far far beyond the abridged Decalogue. E.g. you won't find the sin of Pride in the Decalogue, yet as Christians we immediately are given conviction & the need for repentance when pride surfaces in our thoughts or speech. Yet, we get a problem: a conviction to one may not always be a conviction to another believer; e.g. a white lie, wearing immodest clothing, using slightly flowery language, etc. Each one of us has to stand before God for our lives, knowing that not all of us have gained the same spiritual understanding/maturity to know & act upon deviations from righteous living.
Hi Chris: I'm really sorry I didn't let you know I was posting again and if you'd rather not do this discussion I'm fine with that.
When I refer to the law I am only referencing the 10 commandments. It's my sense that you are saying that the law was purely for the Jews only, does that includes the 10 commandments? if you are saying that the 10 commands were only for the Jews then I do have some questions:
A) What standard do the gentiles follow in order to live righteous lives for God if not the commandments?
B) What are the imputed laws that Jesus expects us to obey?
C) There are so many verses in the new testament that deal with obeying the commandments, like the two below. What do you believe they are telling us?
Romans 2:12-13
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. God Bless :0
v.1 "Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house." The Spirit uses Afterward with direct reference to the measuring of the holy city of God.(Re.21:15-16) We need look at this vision from the tree of life being positioned on this side of the river where the throne of God and of the Lamb is situated. (Re.22:1). This water which flows from the threshold "And, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward" requires explanation. Threshold is set as the line connecting the two thrones" so the pure water of life ("a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb," is implied here. Another word 'eastward' also requires help. We are looking at the nations 'the kings of the east' that includes Israel as well. Drying of the river Euphrates so "that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared" draws Israel as hostile to the saints following the Word of God. (Re.16:12; 19:14) Prophet Ezekiel refers to 'top of the mountains' ,-Zion, as a high mountain(Is.2:2). So Ez.40:2 we have this verse " set me upon a very high mountain."
vv.2-5 we have "the man that had the line" proceeding with measuring. What does 4x1000 tell us? Compare John's vision where the golden reed shows 12x100 furlongs. "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."(21:16) Ezekiel according to his Jewish sensitivities gives us the decalogue as base unit.
Another point we need consider is this line, "and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house" Always it holds to the rightside of the house or the throne. Consider the verse:"The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." (Ps.110:1) The earth is designated as the footstool in relation to the Son. He is the judge.
Please pray that my health issues completely resolve and that I feel better and will be encouraged. I do believe that God is in control, and He will let everything work for good!
24:1 The earth is the Lord's,and the fulness thereof; the world,and they that dwell therein. -->(Comment:Luke:4:8-9:->8The Devil taketh JESUS up into an exceeding high mountain, sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And he said to the Lord GOD, Lord JESUS: All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.)
Yes,"The earth is the Lord's,and the fulness thereof;the world,and they that dwell therein",This is true,of course, but what the Devil said to JESUS is lie, he is the father of lie, never abode in the Truth- John 8:44.
24:2 For the Lord hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord?(Satan intends to climb the mountain of the Lord- Isaiah 14:13-15),or who shall stand in His holy place?
4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the GOD of His salvation.
6 This is the generation of them that seek Him, that seek thy face, O Jacob.Selah.
7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates, and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle. (in the war)
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, He is the King of glory.Selah.
Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only wise GOD, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.(1Ti.1:17)
Terrible WAR between GOD X Satan from the beginning
Here's a big difference between government of GOD,GOD's Kingdom,and government of Devil's children around the world
Government of demons
Government of nations manipulate mountains of money and produce misery,infermities,death,among many other demoniac efects,caused through satanic structures invented by the Devil through men dominated by his spirit.
Governament of GOD
10The apostles,when they were returned,told Him all that they had done.JESUS took them,and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.
11And the people,when they knew it,followed him:and he received them,and spake unto them of the Kingdom of GOD,and healed them that had need of healing.
12And when the day began to wear away,then came the twelve, and said unto JESUS,Send the multitude away,that they may go into the towns and country round about,and lodge,and get victuals: for we are here in a desert place.
13But JESUS said unto them,Give ye them to eat.And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes;except we should go and buy meat for all this people.
14For they were about five THOUSAND men.And JESUS said to his disciples,Make them sit down by fifties in a company.
15And they did so,and made them all sit down.
16Then JESUS took the five loaves and the two fishes,and looking up to heaven,He blessed them,and brake,and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.
17And they did eat,and were all filled:and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.
Re.11:15&18KJV
15...The kingdoms OF THIS WOLRD are become the kingdoms of our Lord,and of His Christ;He shall reign for ever and ever.
18And the nations were(WILL BE)angry,and GOD's wrath is come, and time of the dead,that they should be judged,and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets,and to the saints,and them that fear His name,small and great;and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth
Please pray for Liz and her mind, she is going though mantle problems. Also my Son health and me working though the loss of my husband of 54 years. I known where he is but , my world is up side down so empty with out him my my side. He is with Jesus and is in known more pain, he lift that hear for me , And the World . I have to learn how to keep going with out him , till Jesus calls me home. I knew eep looking up and would watching . And praying Lord save the rest of my family. Thank you and also remember Isreal .
In Acts 2 the day of Pentecost the gift of the Holy Spirit, in verse 41 about 3000 souls were added to the Church. In verses 42-47, they are continuing daily from house to house. Jesus told them in Acts 1:8 they would be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
So, they were going house to house in Jerusalem and Judaea. So, the time from them taking the gospel to Jerusalem until Acts 3 when Peter and John went to the Temple could have been up to a year or more. It was after Stephen's death that Philip the evangelist went to Samaria.
Hope this helps, this is the gospel of Jesus, and it is the substance of salvation that is only in the name of Jesus.
This sounds scholarly and it is fusion of different religion and practices so the Church of Rome adopts the law and religious practises in order to give the papacy the same cult status a deified Caesar. The source for Infallibility of Pope consequently obvious. Scretism created an imposter church. Not to be outsmarted Calvin came up with an idea of limited salvation in the deity of Jesus Christ. It is like his blood work with some and some don't. If this sect spent their in anxiety and under the incubus of hellfire where have they gone wrong? When Jesus says, "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."( John 14:27) they don't know which end to believe.
Unity of the Spirit is with regards to life. In his life and in his light we have our being and none in another. "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?/And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?/And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."(2 Co.6:14-16) Hermeneutics similarly sounds scholarly but for the infidels who would rather eat the offal than the solid meat swear by literalism. Satan is winning there.
Please remember my daughters and their young families in your prayers today , please pray for my coworkers Ben who has a spot on his lung please pray for Adam and his wife who is in the hospital please pray for my friend sister who is battling depression, please remember all the travelers this weekend
This inheritance we here discuss is with regards to the earth whereas the new heaven denotes that the Law shall go forth from Zion which is on the holy mountain. "
Compare the above with the state of the earth and the heaven. "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light." This is how the prophet in his prophetic vision gives us a view from the standpoint of the outer darkness. Jeremiah is referring to outer darkness and not of Jesus the Alpha aspect which so Genesis began with,"In the beginning" Here we are looking at Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever that explains his Omega aspect. So end times refer to him as the ending. "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."(Re.1:18; He.13:8) This distinction is crucial to follow the thread of judgment before the white throne and the day of regeneration.
"When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel."(De.32:8) Ezekiel picks up the thread dropped by Moses. Ezekiel gives the other nations also their share, " and to the strangers that sojourn among you" since the land is of the Son. The earth for this reason abides forever. (Ec.1:4) Israel's claim is as good as that of the Gentiles under the new administration."The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me." The stone that was rejected became the headstone; so were "the little ones" despised earlier now exalted and given thrones and sit in judgment.
Psalm 1 is a Messianic psalm, "The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away./ Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous./For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous."
North indicates judgement. Jeremiah also refers to 'in that day' which is different from what Prophet Zechariah predicted. It is not to cleanse them but to make a distinction between what is holy and what is not. The holy city of God is holy and the footstool is not. "And it shall come to pass at that day,"and "I will give my sentence against them".(Je.4:9-12) "At that time shall it be said to this people and to Jerusalem, A dry wind of the high places in the wilderness toward the daughter of my people, not to fan, nor to cleanse,/Even a full wind from those places shall come unto me: now also will I give sentence against them."
The term 'idols" we need see as a tag overarching from Mount Sinai to the end times. The golden calf was in the hearts of nations and Israel like Rachel had by stealth carried along. (Ge.31:34) Jeremiah continues, " For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end." (4:27) This remnant is what figures in the Zechariah quote. Isaiah also refers to the wrath of the Lamb. "In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;/To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth." Israel shall be wrung through a great tribulation while the throne of the Lamb is established on the holy mountain.
Compare the line of flax and the reed, "a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed," which refers to Israel and other nations. Among priestly garments God stipulated linen,"fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." and "And thou shalt embroider the coat of fine linen," for Israel.(Ex.28) The reed of 6 cubits signify nations. The golden reed for faith is what made the single measurement.(Re.21:17)
While continuing with Ezekiel the north refers to Zion founded above mountains, "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King." (Ps.48:1-2) This is a holy mountain. Ezekiel is given a guided tour like St John, Ezekiel refers to the city, "and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south."(40:2) The throne of the Lamb is on the right hand of the throne of God. Ps,110:1 also refers to 'thy footstool'. So the nations are given a place in relation to the throne.
" In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness."(Ze.13:1) Further down in Ez.47 we are shown the living waters in its mighty course, "Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed."(47:8) There shall be a revival for them. Prophet Zechariah refers to in that day' to the day of regeneration where the apostles shall judge the 12 tribes. The throne of glory is set in relation to his 'footstool', "when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."(Matt.19:28) This judgement we shall see in the measurement the angel uses, "a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit"(Ez.40:5) The same measure applies to the idol of the nations."Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits."(Dan.2:5). On the other hand in the case of St John it was a single measurement man-angel where the man and his angel in Christ served as one unit. "and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day."(Is.2:11).O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord./Therefore thou hast forsaken ..."
James 2:9-12: James is writing in these verses about those who would "keep (fully obey) the whole law", yet go astray even by committing one sin in a moment of time, having demonstrated their inability to keep (continually uphold) the Law as required. "So speak ye ( James 1:26), and so do ( James 2:17), as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty (the Law believers are under, 2 Corinthians 2:17, Galatians 5:1, James 1:25)". The Law of Liberty, can also be referred to the Law of the Spirit Who gives Liberty ( 2 Corinthians 3:17, Romans 8:2), assures our hearts that we are accepted of the Lord because we have been forgiven & the Gift of the Holy Spirit continually ministers to our hearts & lives to help us live holy lives or lead us/discipline us when we stray off course.
This Liberty, the Law could never give - Israel always remained fearful of it, eventually leading them into idolatry & debauchery, but to those IN Christ Jesus there is now no condemnation who walk after the Spirit ( Romans 8:1) - we should not be bound to the letter that had as its goal to expose & destroy souls, but to the Spirit Who gives Power & Life to obey God perfectly, "hating even the garment spotted by the flesh" ( Jude 1:23). Only the Laws given us by the Spirit to our hearts cover every area of our lives, ministering to us in His Way (& not in human strength), so we can live above the letter's demands but as new creations in Christ. There was nothing wrong with the 10 Commandments, for they are from God & His Truth - but they were for Israel alone, for their conduct before God & man, to show them their sin, God's requirements, & prepare them to approach God in Love, Truth, & Faith. All who did at that time were accepted by their faith alone ( Hebrews 11:39,40) & not on how well they kept the Law. Romans 8:3,4 (we allow the righteousness of the Law to work & be fulfilled in us by God's Spirit - never appealing to the letter, which is devoid of life). Every blessing.
Revelation 11:18 -
18 And the nations were (WILL BE) angry(wrathed), and thy WRATH is come (GOD's WRATH), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY them which destroy the earth.
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Romans 2:14-16 and 12 and 5-11
14For when the Gentiles, which HAVE NOT THE LAW, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, HAVING NOT THE LAW, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16In the Day (this Day arrived, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) when GOD shall Judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ (the Judgment Seat of Christ) according to my gospel.
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12For as many as have sinned WITHOUT LAW(the Gentiles)shall also PERISH WITHOUT LAW:and as many as have sinned in the LAW shall be JUDGED by the LAW;
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself WRATH against the Day of WRATH and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;(This Day arrived)
6 Who will render to EVERY MAN according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL LIFE:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness, INDIGNATION AND WRATH,
(What is written in the verses 7 and 8 above will be LITERALLY fulfilled from now on. The Word is GOD, GOD HIMSELF, self-executing,understand?)
9TRIBULATION and ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL of man that doeth evil,of the JEW first,and also of the GENTILE;
( Isaiah 26:20-21->20 Come,my people,enter thou into thy chambers,and shut thy doors about thee:HIDE THYSELF as it were for a little moment(the last week-week 70th- Daniel 9:27),until the INDIGNATION be overpast. 21 For,behold, the LORD cometh out of His place to PUNISH the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity( Matthew 24:10-13): the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain)
10But glory,honour,and peace,to every man that worketh good,to the JEW first,and also to the GENTILE;
11For there is no respect of persons with GOD.
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c. just considering the two passages you shared about "obeying the commandments":
Romans 2:12,13 which needs to be considered in its entirety Romans 2:12-16. Verse 12: Paul refers to those without the Law (i.e. Gentiles) will perish, just as those of Israel (in the Law), who sin will perish. Verse 13: only the doers of the Law (i.e. those given the Law) will be justified (but none have kept the Law perfectly leading to justification). Verses 14,15: Paul confirms that the Gentiles never received the Law, but by nature/conscience sake demonstrate the working of the Law within them. And so Gentiles construct their own law to suit their lives/consciences, yet without God's Law being their motivation & yardstick.
So these verses don't tell me that Christians come under the Law to obey them, rather they speak of Gentiles who have not received the Law, avoid God's Work of appealing to their (some of their) hearts, & ultimately refusing to hear & obey the Gospel that can deliver them from the agony & weight of their sin. These, along with Israel who do not keep God's Laws perfectly (as none can anyway), will perish, without the One Who came to fulfil the Law & redeem them by being their substitute for sin's punishment.
Not a problem Momsage. I'm more than happy to converse with anyone who wishes to do so, though I was careful to not overstep the bounds you had once set to your communicants.
I understand that you're referencing only the 10 Commandments as the Law given, & as I stated, to Israel only. So your questions:
a. when we refer to Gentiles, we can think of all those outside of God's special called-out people; those of old-time who never even heard of such a Law & were a law unto themselves, and now to us now, who have heard of the Law, but are brought under subjection to governments of men. So, what standards do the Gentiles follow? Those of old times, Romans 2:14 applies, "...the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves", but the 'working of the law is upon their hearts, excusing or accusing them'. Those under civil government are subject to the 'laws of the land' regardless of how well govts adhere to Divine Law or not. Many gentiles today, as those of yesteryear, have no idea of those laws given to Israel, but they do know that civil law bares its ruthless arm against them.
b. the "imputed laws that Jesus expects us (Christians?) to obey", would be everything that we need to know & obey according to the dictates of the Holy Spirit within us. And these 'laws' I think you would agree, go far far beyond the abridged Decalogue. E.g. you won't find the sin of Pride in the Decalogue, yet as Christians we immediately are given conviction & the need for repentance when pride surfaces in our thoughts or speech. Yet, we get a problem: a conviction to one may not always be a conviction to another believer; e.g. a white lie, wearing immodest clothing, using slightly flowery language, etc. Each one of us has to stand before God for our lives, knowing that not all of us have gained the same spiritual understanding/maturity to know & act upon deviations from righteous living.
When I refer to the law I am only referencing the 10 commandments. It's my sense that you are saying that the law was purely for the Jews only, does that includes the 10 commandments? if you are saying that the 10 commands were only for the Jews then I do have some questions:
A) What standard do the gentiles follow in order to live righteous lives for God if not the commandments?
B) What are the imputed laws that Jesus expects us to obey?
C) There are so many verses in the new testament that deal with obeying the commandments, like the two below. What do you believe they are telling us?
Romans 2:12-13
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. God Bless :0
v.1 "Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house." The Spirit uses Afterward with direct reference to the measuring of the holy city of God.(Re.21:15-16) We need look at this vision from the tree of life being positioned on this side of the river where the throne of God and of the Lamb is situated. (Re.22:1). This water which flows from the threshold "And, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward" requires explanation. Threshold is set as the line connecting the two thrones" so the pure water of life ("a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb," is implied here. Another word 'eastward' also requires help. We are looking at the nations 'the kings of the east' that includes Israel as well. Drying of the river Euphrates so "that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared" draws Israel as hostile to the saints following the Word of God. (Re.16:12; 19:14) Prophet Ezekiel refers to 'top of the mountains' ,-Zion, as a high mountain(Is.2:2). So Ez.40:2 we have this verse " set me upon a very high mountain."
vv.2-5 we have "the man that had the line" proceeding with measuring. What does 4x1000 tell us? Compare John's vision where the golden reed shows 12x100 furlongs. "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."(21:16) Ezekiel according to his Jewish sensitivities gives us the decalogue as base unit.
Another point we need consider is this line, "and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house" Always it holds to the rightside of the house or the throne. Consider the verse:"The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." (Ps.110:1) The earth is designated as the footstool in relation to the Son. He is the judge.
I will lift up your request to the Lord today. Thanks for letting us know your prayer needs. God is good and will hear.
Good to hear from you again.
I will be praying for you today.
Thank you so much, and may God bless you!
24:1 The earth is the Lord's,and the fulness thereof; the world,and they that dwell therein. -->(Comment:Luke:4:8-9:->8The Devil taketh JESUS up into an exceeding high mountain, sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And he said to the Lord GOD, Lord JESUS: All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.)
Yes,"The earth is the Lord's,and the fulness thereof;the world,and they that dwell therein",This is true,of course, but what the Devil said to JESUS is lie, he is the father of lie, never abode in the Truth- John 8:44.
24:2 For the Lord hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord?(Satan intends to climb the mountain of the Lord- Isaiah 14:13-15),or who shall stand in His holy place?
4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the GOD of His salvation.
6 This is the generation of them that seek Him, that seek thy face, O Jacob.Selah.
7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates, and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle. (in the war)
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, He is the King of glory.Selah.
Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only wise GOD, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.(1Ti.1:17)
Here's a big difference between government of GOD,GOD's Kingdom,and government of Devil's children around the world
Government of demons
Government of nations manipulate mountains of money and produce misery,infermities,death,among many other demoniac efects,caused through satanic structures invented by the Devil through men dominated by his spirit.
Governament of GOD
10The apostles,when they were returned,told Him all that they had done.JESUS took them,and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.
11And the people,when they knew it,followed him:and he received them,and spake unto them of the Kingdom of GOD,and healed them that had need of healing.
12And when the day began to wear away,then came the twelve, and said unto JESUS,Send the multitude away,that they may go into the towns and country round about,and lodge,and get victuals: for we are here in a desert place.
13But JESUS said unto them,Give ye them to eat.And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes;except we should go and buy meat for all this people.
14For they were about five THOUSAND men.And JESUS said to his disciples,Make them sit down by fifties in a company.
15And they did so,and made them all sit down.
16Then JESUS took the five loaves and the two fishes,and looking up to heaven,He blessed them,and brake,and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.
17And they did eat,and were all filled:and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.
Re.11:15&18KJV
15...The kingdoms OF THIS WOLRD are become the kingdoms of our Lord,and of His Christ;He shall reign for ever and ever.
18And the nations were(WILL BE)angry,and GOD's wrath is come, and time of the dead,that they should be judged,and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets,and to the saints,and them that fear His name,small and great;and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth
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In Acts 2 the day of Pentecost the gift of the Holy Spirit, in verse 41 about 3000 souls were added to the Church. In verses 42-47, they are continuing daily from house to house. Jesus told them in Acts 1:8 they would be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
So, they were going house to house in Jerusalem and Judaea. So, the time from them taking the gospel to Jerusalem until Acts 3 when Peter and John went to the Temple could have been up to a year or more. It was after Stephen's death that Philip the evangelist went to Samaria.
Hope this helps, this is the gospel of Jesus, and it is the substance of salvation that is only in the name of Jesus.
God bless,
RLW
This sounds scholarly and it is fusion of different religion and practices so the Church of Rome adopts the law and religious practises in order to give the papacy the same cult status a deified Caesar. The source for Infallibility of Pope consequently obvious. Scretism created an imposter church. Not to be outsmarted Calvin came up with an idea of limited salvation in the deity of Jesus Christ. It is like his blood work with some and some don't. If this sect spent their in anxiety and under the incubus of hellfire where have they gone wrong? When Jesus says, "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."( John 14:27) they don't know which end to believe.
Unity of the Spirit is with regards to life. In his life and in his light we have our being and none in another. "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?/And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?/And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."(2 Co.6:14-16) Hermeneutics similarly sounds scholarly but for the infidels who would rather eat the offal than the solid meat swear by literalism. Satan is winning there.