How are you? I am sorry, I have been under the weather. Odie is doing better. He has to go to a rehab facility. He is responding some, moving his: legs, arms, hands, feet, head, and best of all SMILING at everyone. We pray that he will talk soon, but he understand when everyone talks to him. God is Good and Faithful to all of us, his children. We are continuing to pray for all of you and all that are lifting praying for all of God's children. The outreach across the globe is needed everyday. Thank you Thank you Thank you for all you are doing for us. I love you all and appreciate you all.
I certainly respect your desire honor God by using the version of the Bible that you believe is not only aesthetically beautiful but also the product of divine re-inspiration, and therefore is the authoritative translation of the Bible. As you are probably aware the Greek manuscript used by the scholars to translate the 1611 version is known as the Textus Receptus, originally assembled by Erasmus from seven Byzantine manuscripts that were missing a portion of the Book of Revelation. In fact, Erasmus had to translate the Latin Vulgate back into Greek to create the missing portion of the Greek text.
Since 1611 many older and more reliable manuscripts have been discovered. When taken in their entirety, they provide a much closer rendering of the original words of the New Testament authors than that approximated in the Textus Receptus. And therefore, they enable a more accurate translation of the original words inspired by the Holy Spirit into the vernacular of the modern reader of the English language.
The original purpose of creating the 1611 translation was to bring the words of the Bible into the vernacular of the English-speaking people. Whether or not we agree on the accuracy of the underlying manuscripts of the King James Version, we can certainly agree that Elizabethan English is no longer the vernacular of the day and is not accessible or intelligible for most modern readers. If the goal of reading scripture is to first get saved, then to grow in sanctification to live a life pleasing to God, and then to learn more about God's expectation for His people, isn't wise to access the most accurate translation of the Bible that most easy to read and comprehend?
It is my understanding that most modern versions of the Bible cannot be called translations . They have not employed a group of scholars and translaters to produce a modern version , they have simply taken out the words they don't like such as thee and thou etc and basically used a thesaurus to replace the old fashioned words with modern words . In no way is that a translation . The King James Bible was a labour of love , read the dedication at the front of it . God uses people to accomplish His Will , do we believe that ? He has done it right throughout history and is still doing it today . Did He not use this king , with his worldly wealth and power to do a marvelous thing ? Then , many years later , He used the British Empire to help to spread the Gospel . If you doubt me , check the history of Christianity in Europe , God leaves nothing to chance , He works in this world every day and always has done , may He never stop .
About 20 years ago I had symptoms like you. I could not eat very much with out my stomach really hurting and I needed to stop eating and rest. It turned out that I had a few stomach ulcers due to H. Pylori bacteria. I took the triple antibiotic prescribed and the condition cleared up and I have not had any such problems since. I hope you discover what is going on in your gut and have a means to treat, if that is the way God brings you the healing. We just don't know, but we still pray for God to remove things that make our bodies ill.
It is interesting; in light of a study in Judges 4; specifically verse 6 (could be 8 hard to read my Bible in this light) that I had earlier tonight it mentions Deborah the Prophetess telling Barak about going after his enemies as if he knew something the Lord had already revealed about attacking; whereas the NIV states the narrative making the assumption that Deborah's prophetic insight was the initial revelation to Barak. There are things that concern the divinity of Christ that concern me in NIV and other versions.
That being said; I am not sure if this is a discussion I had with you or someone else who was insisting KJV was the only inspired version. In that I have to draw the line; the Geneva was earlier; along with Tyndale and I would suppose Latin Vulgate; at any rate there can be no perfect translation that makes literary sense from the original text. There are multiple numerical figures in different texts. There are also different Biblical texts that were from Africa; for instance. The original Greek; Hebrew or Aramaic have words that have more than one meaning at times; there are names that may represent the same person or city name that could be others (such as an issue with archeology); there are similar stories in the Gospels that may or not be the same event; etc. I am in agreement that the Pastor was immature in stating that just because it was an "old book" or something to that affect" that he wouldn't read it. The "thee" and "thou" words to me are unnecessary in KJV.
So I am sorry I can't agree totally with the KJV only crowd. I would say that there are certain aspects to truth that may actually be clearer in a different version; and more often when reading several different variations a fuller understanding may commence. We should be vigilant to make sure we aren't reading a largely spurious rendition; and at least very cautious with NIV. I think someone can find enough of the Gospel to be saved in either case; however.
And thank you Regina for following the Lord's guidance in posting this prayer! It was such a blessing and made me feel so peaceful and comforted. God Bless :)
I would like to ask a question concerning a certain pastor I had. You say: "How do we properly view a good Pastor or other leader? From my premise I have established that no man is perfect; but I'll say it straight out-no man is perfect." I agree that this points to spiritually maturity but let me ask you a question: What if your pastor tells you, in a private conversation at church, that he believed the KJB was just an old, ancient book and was "not written by God"? He preached out of the NIV and the NKJB, so I assume he thought the modern versions were and since I use the KJB only, because it is the one that is written by God,this really disturbed me. What do you think of him as a pastor? I believe he is immature and far from perfect because he is so easily blinded by what the world believes about the modern versions. It would only take a small amount of time to simply compare what the other versions say to the KJB to see how corrupt they are. When he told me this, just me while we were about to start our Wednesday night service it really bothered me and I left that church because I didn't feel like I could sit under his preaching. Up until I found out how he believed this, I would just follow along in my KJB while he preached from the NIV.
I am having gastrology and other medical tests and checkups because I feel sick and cannot eat much let us stand firmly in prayer and faith to resist and rebuke the devil and command that condition to leave my body in Christ's authority. Let's pronounce complete recovery and healing/restoration in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Filled with the Spirit-The corporate worship experience (Focus on laypersons)
Reading the first chapter of Philippians for a detailed analysis for a special Sunday school project we are doing in the short term I realize that elders and deacons were established fairly quickly in the early church. It has taken me some time to understand somewhat what each of these roles is supposed to be (elder being essentially same as Pastor; and Deacon I believe being a sort of "helps" ministry). Honestly I haven't been in a church with a Bishop so I won't try to figure that out; I'll leave that to others.
I examined the other day how the Ephesians church seemed to have everything right and lost its first love ( Rev. 2:4 if I remember correctly). It would seem although I couldn't prove it that new and excited converts may have been a missing factor. We are; of course admonished on those who receive the Gospel immediately and with joy but have no root ( Mark 4:17) in the first part of the Parable of the Sower and the Seed. Both extremes need to be avoided; joy is second next to love which clearly had disappeared ( Galatians 5:22). After all; there is nowhere that states that we cannot have continual joy; but as with a marriage maturity tends to make our perspective change as we delve more into the "meat" of the scriptures.
When it comes to interaction in a church of course it helps when a Pastor is genuinely glad to see congregants on a given Sunday; and especially other days of the week when they wish to discuss something. Again; large churches make this more difficult and the advice Jethro gave Moses to get wise decisionmakers under him rather than taking on menial burdens fits this situation ( Exodus 18:13-27). Of course it is good when we also rejoice and show appreciation for our Pastor. This of course has to go beyond common courtesies; and we should want to do more than just put our time in and check off a box. Unforgiveness on either end stifles the Spirit
Rose is beautiful and healthy and very calm and content for now. That is good for mom Vivian to recover from c-section. My son Kevin is handling her like a pro. They are so happy. I guess all those years I did childcare in our home while the boys were growing up pays off with their calmness and confidence with a new baby. Thanks for all your prayers and well wishes. It was a blessing to see Rose today, to hold her and to enjoy the moment.
They got a later start to the c-section than we thought would happen, so Rosie was born around 1:00 A.M.
We did not see her or speak to my son because they were to be in post op recovery for a few hours and it was already 2:00 A.M. when he texted us with a picture. We will head up to hospital in a bit to visit.
Please pray for my friend Sara. Her dad is not doing so well at the moment, he took a turn for the worse tonight, and his oxygen went up to 60. Please pray for his well being and if he's not saved, may he get saved asap.
Congratulations Grandma GiGi. I'll be praying. Please give me the news when you are ready, no hurry, but I'll be looking forward to hearing. God Bless :)
Richard, I know you and others on here are dispensationalists and we have discussed this in depth before. I do not feel any move by the Spirit to discuss this and I certainly do not need to set you straight. God will do that to all of us in time.
Our friendship is stronger than this one difference between us.
My daughter in law is in labor and our granddaughter will soon be born sometime this evening I predict. I appreciate your prayers for Vivian and baby Rosie.
I certainly respect your desire honor God by using the version of the Bible that you believe is not only aesthetically beautiful but also the product of divine re-inspiration, and therefore is the authoritative translation of the Bible. As you are probably aware the Greek manuscript used by the scholars to translate the 1611 version is known as the Textus Receptus, originally assembled by Erasmus from seven Byzantine manuscripts that were missing a portion of the Book of Revelation. In fact, Erasmus had to translate the Latin Vulgate back into Greek to create the missing portion of the Greek text.
Since 1611 many older and more reliable manuscripts have been discovered. When taken in their entirety, they provide a much closer rendering of the original words of the New Testament authors than that approximated in the Textus Receptus. And therefore, they enable a more accurate translation of the original words inspired by the Holy Spirit into the vernacular of the modern reader of the English language.
The original purpose of creating the 1611 translation was to bring the words of the Bible into the vernacular of the English-speaking people. Whether or not we agree on the accuracy of the underlying manuscripts of the King James Version, we can certainly agree that Elizabethan English is no longer the vernacular of the day and is not accessible or intelligible for most modern readers. If the goal of reading scripture is to first get saved, then to grow in sanctification to live a life pleasing to God, and then to learn more about God's expectation for His people, isn't wise to access the most accurate translation of the Bible that most easy to read and comprehend?
I will pray for your healing.
About 20 years ago I had symptoms like you. I could not eat very much with out my stomach really hurting and I needed to stop eating and rest. It turned out that I had a few stomach ulcers due to H. Pylori bacteria. I took the triple antibiotic prescribed and the condition cleared up and I have not had any such problems since. I hope you discover what is going on in your gut and have a means to treat, if that is the way God brings you the healing. We just don't know, but we still pray for God to remove things that make our bodies ill.
That being said; I am not sure if this is a discussion I had with you or someone else who was insisting KJV was the only inspired version. In that I have to draw the line; the Geneva was earlier; along with Tyndale and I would suppose Latin Vulgate; at any rate there can be no perfect translation that makes literary sense from the original text. There are multiple numerical figures in different texts. There are also different Biblical texts that were from Africa; for instance. The original Greek; Hebrew or Aramaic have words that have more than one meaning at times; there are names that may represent the same person or city name that could be others (such as an issue with archeology); there are similar stories in the Gospels that may or not be the same event; etc. I am in agreement that the Pastor was immature in stating that just because it was an "old book" or something to that affect" that he wouldn't read it. The "thee" and "thou" words to me are unnecessary in KJV.
So I am sorry I can't agree totally with the KJV only crowd. I would say that there are certain aspects to truth that may actually be clearer in a different version; and more often when reading several different variations a fuller understanding may commence. We should be vigilant to make sure we aren't reading a largely spurious rendition; and at least very cautious with NIV. I think someone can find enough of the Gospel to be saved in either case; however.
I would like to ask a question concerning a certain pastor I had. You say: "How do we properly view a good Pastor or other leader? From my premise I have established that no man is perfect; but I'll say it straight out-no man is perfect." I agree that this points to spiritually maturity but let me ask you a question: What if your pastor tells you, in a private conversation at church, that he believed the KJB was just an old, ancient book and was "not written by God"? He preached out of the NIV and the NKJB, so I assume he thought the modern versions were and since I use the KJB only, because it is the one that is written by God,this really disturbed me. What do you think of him as a pastor? I believe he is immature and far from perfect because he is so easily blinded by what the world believes about the modern versions. It would only take a small amount of time to simply compare what the other versions say to the KJB to see how corrupt they are. When he told me this, just me while we were about to start our Wednesday night service it really bothered me and I left that church because I didn't feel like I could sit under his preaching. Up until I found out how he believed this, I would just follow along in my KJB while he preached from the NIV.
1 Peter 5:7 kjv.
Reading the first chapter of Philippians for a detailed analysis for a special Sunday school project we are doing in the short term I realize that elders and deacons were established fairly quickly in the early church. It has taken me some time to understand somewhat what each of these roles is supposed to be (elder being essentially same as Pastor; and Deacon I believe being a sort of "helps" ministry). Honestly I haven't been in a church with a Bishop so I won't try to figure that out; I'll leave that to others.
I examined the other day how the Ephesians church seemed to have everything right and lost its first love ( Rev. 2:4 if I remember correctly). It would seem although I couldn't prove it that new and excited converts may have been a missing factor. We are; of course admonished on those who receive the Gospel immediately and with joy but have no root ( Mark 4:17) in the first part of the Parable of the Sower and the Seed. Both extremes need to be avoided; joy is second next to love which clearly had disappeared ( Galatians 5:22). After all; there is nowhere that states that we cannot have continual joy; but as with a marriage maturity tends to make our perspective change as we delve more into the "meat" of the scriptures.
When it comes to interaction in a church of course it helps when a Pastor is genuinely glad to see congregants on a given Sunday; and especially other days of the week when they wish to discuss something. Again; large churches make this more difficult and the advice Jethro gave Moses to get wise decisionmakers under him rather than taking on menial burdens fits this situation ( Exodus 18:13-27). Of course it is good when we also rejoice and show appreciation for our Pastor. This of course has to go beyond common courtesies; and we should want to do more than just put our time in and check off a box. Unforgiveness on either end stifles the Spirit
They got a later start to the c-section than we thought would happen, so Rosie was born around 1:00 A.M.
We did not see her or speak to my son because they were to be in post op recovery for a few hours and it was already 2:00 A.M. when he texted us with a picture. We will head up to hospital in a bit to visit.
will update after Rosie is born.
I'm praying everything goes well.
God bless.
Our friendship is stronger than this one difference between us.
at the hospital now being labor coach for my daughter in law, so things may get crazy in a few hours.
My daughter in law is in labor and our granddaughter will soon be born sometime this evening I predict. I appreciate your prayers for Vivian and baby Rosie.