That's fine Oseas. I will discontinue this discussion with you as I perceive that you are unable to, or unwilling to, get a proper grasp of that Scripture which we have offered to explain to you. Rather, to spew out unwarranted, unfactual accusations against others seems to be your main purpose.
I believe David 0921, your paraphrasing of what I wrote is correct, though I would rewrite it more fully as, 'God has done His part and now it's up to us TO RESPOND TO HIS GIFT OF LOVE.' Here then is the problem, which of course I was attempting to draw you to, and that is, your understanding of Salvation is that God does the whole work to make it fully effective & even our response to it must be regarded as contributory to that salvation.
Yet, when I consider God's Part in it, I can only conceive of His Plan, His Provision of the Sacrifice, His Acceptance of that Work if fully completed, & His Receiving of those who have embraced it & been changed by His Spirit. I sense that the Plan you adhere to, stops at His completed Work, & anything subsequent to that completion is treated as 'adding to His Work - adding to our salvation'. If a repentant sinner, under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, responds to the Gospel, calling out to a Merciful God for forgiveness, I cannot believe that this sinner has added to the Gospel (even, to God's Plan) in any way at all. The Plan was conceived & fully completed - nothing could be added to it, though some have tried & still try. But to say that when we cry out for mercy & forgiveness is adding to that Plan, this becomes too unbelievable for me.
Therefore, in all of this, I cannot leave out both the convicting Work of God's Spirit ( John 16:7-11) coupled with Romans 10:8-10, "the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation": after hearing the Word, being convicted, confession & believing in what God has provided, salvation is given; and this is just the sinner's response to a Work that has already been done by God alone.
1. For the Lord to reveal to you now what spiritual opportunities there are in your workplace; your commute and with your neighbors where you are staying now.
2. That your kids will be able to be established educationally; and possibly to be able to make some extra income if old enough.
3. Any additional money making opportunities will be made clear to you and that possibly the Lord can give you wisdom with either a house rental or working with others to purchase a place and rent it to others; or alternatively if you have a relative that would consider having you stay for a time
4. That God will give you favor with a personal contact for a good used car (dealers tend to really "stick it to you" on prices)
Just talked today to a single mom at work who has 3 sons and I believe 2 other kids; along with kidney stone and fibromyalgia issues. Surely you are not alone; and I suppose you know the Lord. I pray you find interactions that are a blessing to you and also have wisdom to avoid ones that are not.
Everyone should know that all Presidents of the countries of South America are idolaters,spiritually Roman Catholics guided and dominated by the MAN Beast of Sea having 7 HEADS,10 horns,10 crowns,and a NAME of blasphemy-Re.13:1,with headsquaters in Rome,Vatican City,but linked to the Red Dragon- Revelation 12:3.In fact,also in the European Continent most Presidents are spiritually guided and dominated by the MAN Beast of sea,a Gentile Beast,and are also linked to the satanic BODY OF THE RED DRAGON- Revelation 12:3.
On the other hand,countries considered Christian that remain separate from the Man Beast of the Gentiles,but very similar religiously speaking,influenced by the religious Power of the MAN Beast of sea,for example countries like the United Kingdom, together with the United States(President Biden is Roman Catholic),and others called Eastern Christians and Orthodox Christians,all of these religious nations are linked to the BODY OF THE RED DRAGON-Re.12:3-having 7 HEADS and 10 horns, and seven crowns upon his HEADS.
In the midst of all this satanic and idolatrous mess are Israel,10 tribes in particular,which for now is NOT linked with the MAN Beast of sea,but soon Israel will be;And the believers spread across gigantic divisions,denominational and spiritual,dominated by countless doctrines,many of them even satanic,as in the churches of Asia at the beginning of the Church of the Lord,and in addition to the 7 churches in Asia,the worst of all happened in the apostate Church of Rome( 1John 2:18-19).
Isaiah 9:14-16 prophesied:
14Therefore the Lord will cut off from Israel HEAD and TAIL,branch and rush,in one Day
15The ancient and honorable,he is the head; the prophet who teaches lies,he is the TAIL
16For the leaders of these people cause them to err;and they that are led of them are destroyed
Re.12:4-And his TAIL drew the third part of the stars of heaven,and did cast them to the earth
But now,even now,from now on,all will be punished- Revelation 11:18
I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand? I don't and never used the Word of GOD by a half, but the whole GOD's Word.
2Peter 3:8 - What does the Word of GOD say? But, beloved, be not IGNORANT of this one thing, that one Day (GOD's Day) is with the Lord as a thousand years(a Millennium), and a thousand years(a Millennium) as one Day-(GOD's Day). Did you understand?
In fact, the names of them WHICH ARE USING the verse by a half as base for malevolente comments are SeanPaul, Spencer and Chris. IN FACT, the intention of the stealthy spirit was to throw a stumbling block, and from there develop an environment for a DEMONIC discussion, mainly with me, no surprise, the time is of the last battle as is written, but the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, understand? the Word is quick and powerful, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and INTENTS of the hearts. My Lord JESUS warned(He is GOD, understand?) saying that "out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, FALSE WITNESS, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, blasphemies, understand? Matthew 15:19
Now, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, and as He said by His servant the Apostle Peter, i.e. the heavens(the FIRST and the SECOND HEAVENS, THE 3rd will be established from now on), and the earth(the current idolater Israel, the clay, a dry land), which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against this Day of Judgment(the Judgment Seat of Christ in this current Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) and perdition of ungodly men.
God made Adam a living soul and after his likeness meant his authority to name His creation came from Jesus Christ. "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;/ And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."(Ph.2:10-11) Here the mind of Christ fulfils the mind of his Father. So the body of saints redeemed from the earth can only fit with his head and none other. In Isaiah we read the Church is signified by seven women. "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach./ In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent."(Is.4:1-2)
"And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."
According to the everlasting covenant God created man 'after our image, and after our likeness' so in primary sense we are looking at man who is a living soul. There is a secondary sense where Adam stands as a double for the Man component so blessings are to come on him where soul is the linchpin for his everlasting life. God blessed man on day six, saying, " Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:" Dominion over His creation required replenishing the earth which is purely in a physical sense. He being after 'our image' required also everything else so the upkeep of life forms left under his care. God had blessed them as well on day five so creation in the seas, air and on land (1:22) multiplied generations after generation. In short what was memorial before the throne did not end up as museum pieces. Both heaven and earth pulsated with the dynamics of the divine power and wisdom. Like begets like on earth to which the four and twenty elders and the four beasts were living testament of the glory of the Father.
Adam being after the likeness of his Son served the Law of the Spirit. The Man would be sent as the word become flesh so he served as the head for the body, a glorious tabernacle so the core value of the covenant was fully met. Fellowship of God with Man required everlasting life as concomitant with his body. This is what we hear when the Word which is God presents the new heaven and new earth. "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God."(Re.21:3)
God made Adam a living soul and after his likeness meant his authority to name came from Jesus Christ. "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,...
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I do not agree with your understanding when we harmonize everything the Bible teaches regarding the Nature of Salvation, the Nature of Mankind, and the Nature of God's Justice and Judgment.
Unfortunately what you have stated puts mankind in control of salvation. And if I may paraphrase what you are saying somewhat crassly:
God has done His part and now it's up to us.
And there certainly are verses when taken in isolation that might support that view. (see my responses to Spencer and Adam)
That conclusion, however, flys in the face of many other statements God makes about the Nature of Salvation, the Nature of Mankind, and the Nature of God's Justice and Judgment.
Romans 3:10-18, Romans 9, Ezekiel 36:24-32, Eph 2:1 and many many more.
God did not write the Bible in a way that is easy to come to truth. In fact He wrote it in a way to reveal truth if we follow the principles that God lays down, but also to hide truth. 2 Timothy 3:16 and Matthew 13:10-17.
God also has a time table for revealing truth from the Bible. Romans 16:25,26 and Daniel 12:9. Christ the perfect preacher taught many things about His death and resurrection, yet His disciples did not understand until after the fact.
Most importantly we must be looking to God Himself, praying that He might open our spiritual eyes and ears as we search the Bible comparing Scripture with Scripture. This is not quick or easy business.
In Re.19 we have mention of his destruction, "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army./ And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.(19:19-20). 'The war in heaven' consequently has consequences on earth. Michael has his counterpart in Apollyon. "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit." (Re.9:11)
Alongside four river heads we can add four angels who are sent to quell the kings of the earth. In the vision of Zechariah they are four carpenters. (Ze.1:18-20). How do we interpret the prophesy "Therefore thus saith the Lord; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the Lord of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem." (Ze.1:11) The Spirit cues us in with "the angel of the Lord that stood among the myrtle trees," and he stands there as the risen Christ. "I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies' refer to Zion and New Jerusalem and not the old. Myrtle tree signifies resurrection. In Re.22: 1 the tree of life for example is validation of the covenant.
" He shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."
The verse refers to the beast who shall make his entry, "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." (Re.11:7) The bottomless pit is distinct from the pit 'whence ye are digged'. Those names counted as born in Zion shall have a rock hewn tomb which is new. It is this newness that ties the earthy to the heavenly places. New creation is placed in new heaven and new earth. The bottomless pit is where the beast emerges from and it is to be spiritually understood.
Ps.119:89. Sovereignty of God is set which is the Law so there is no place from where one can hide. Ps.139 illustrates it. "In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also." Bottomless is diametrically opposite to the eternal word settled in heaven. It is thus outer darkness in the lexicon of the Spirit the children of disobedience are sent to.
Bottomless consequently is the natural habitat of enemies to Christ of which the beast is pre-eminent. St Paul refers to the beast as the wicked. "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:/ Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,/ And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 The.2:8-10) The nations that perish all have their place when the saints redeemed from the earth meet Christ in his glory in mid-air.
You asked; "When these verses use the word "world", is it talking about every single person in the world?
Referring to
1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY)...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
Yes David here's my understanding.
( John specifically included the Greek word holou, which means "whole, entire, all, complete.
Your second question you asked; "How does your understanding of the nature of salvation fit into Romans 3:10-18? Or Romans 9?
My understanding.
Because of Romans 3:10-18 the invitation goes out to everyone in the WHOLE world.
Just as Romans 3:20 goes out to everyone in the whole world.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
If the Ministration of death which slew us went out to everyone then the Gospel and a drink of the living water invitation went out to everyone.
If the ministration of death that slew us doesn't goes to everyone there would be no need for the Gospel.
Paul said when the law came we died.
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 5:13.
David here's what we have in front of us and the scope of our debate.
Either God created EVERYONE, then "by the law" slew EVERYONE but only gave the ability to a few to recieve the invitation and condemn the rest to hell.
Or,, Good created everyone,
by the law, slew everyone and brought light into the world that Light, which lighteth EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE WORLD, as John 1:9 says to offer salvation to everyone.
Is God then obliged to save everyone based on this Sacrifice? The price was paid, the Gift of Salvation is now offered to all who hear, understand & believe the Gospel - all we have to do is to receive this gracious undeserved Gift of God. Some will receive it, being moved by the Spirit towards repentance, but most will have nothing to do with self-examination of their hearts & of judgement to come upon them. God opened the door for all through His Son's shed blood - the price was paid for all - BUT what good is the Gift if it be rejected & counted as something useless?
God did the Work offering them salvation - they sealed their fate by refusing His offer; yet God knowing who would refuse (or accept) Him, the Gift was still there for all to respond to & receive, that none would be without excuse and not one would not have the Sacrifice availed for them - given by the God of Love & all Merciful.
Thank you David0921 for explaining that third paragraph. I mistakenly took it the other way: that God was somehow diminished in knowledge by only seeing 'those who would not respond', failing to see those who would respond, thus entering His Kingdom. I can now see what you were writing.
Further on, you wrote, 'The Bible clearly teaches that ALL Mankind is DEAD in Trespasses and Sin. Eph 2:1 And it requires God to first "draw", and then "save" those whom He has chosen to salvation by giving them a New Heart. This is becoming Born Again. That action is entirely God's action. It is not dependent on any action or response on our part.'
That was an interesting statement, though I wondered where the conviction of sin, repentance, calling upon the Lord, and belief (saving faith) come in, in-between the 'drawing and then saving' (and to this you refer to as 'becoming born again'). Why I ask, is that there is a belief, which I don't subscribe to, that we are first saved & once we are enlightened & regenerated, now alive & not spiritually dead, we can then repent & call upon the Lord in faith.
Yes, I did state, "the merits of His Son's death availed to all". By this, I meant that Christ's Sacrifice was the necessary payment as required by the Father so that every person, who could never make payment for their sin or cleanse their guilty conscience, has now been given a clear path to God for forgiveness, having satisfied God's Wrath against us & Jesus being our Substitute by paying our penalty.
Four River heads, four angels-"River Euphrates" (2 of 2)
"And I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit./And he opened the bottomless pit." (Re.9:1-2) " Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates./ And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men./ And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them."
The fourth river is spiritually bound so it has to be cleared the way for the kings of the eat, which is the beginning of the end. "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."(Re.16:12).Alpha Omega aspect of Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith which is derived from the Word. It is the Gospel of God that is the basis for the fellowship of God with Man and not the doctrine of men as the imposter church imposes on the unteachable.
Four river heads, four angels- "River Euphrates" (1 of 2)
Isaiah refers to the creation of man. So path to righteousness is already set where the word of God sets Adam as a double for the Man component in the everlasting covenant. The first Adam is earthy, the form of which creates a pit of sorts.Isaiah refers it to 'the hole of the pit whence ye are digged'.
"Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged." Jesus was buried in a 'new' rock hewn. tomb. Joseph was foreknown so he does as and when his service is needed, and Evangelist Matthew writes,"And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock."(Matt.27:40). Those who follow after righteousness have been called before the worlds began,- they are hewn out of the rock which marks their antecedents begin with Zion. In short realities of heaven and earth are framed by the word of God.
The inaugural vision of the risen Christ explains his Alpha Omega aspect. " I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." (Re.1:18) so he is in control. This brings us to the great commission and he declares, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."(Matt.26:18)
Now we shall go back to the significance of the River Euphrates. Firstly who holds the key to the bottomless pit? The seven stars were shown in the vision, "The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches."(1:20). The multiples of angels in seven according to the lexicon of the Spirit indicative of the unity of the Spirit. When the Lamb breaks open a seal it has consequences on the earth. Thus the single measurement with which the holy city of God is measured becomes the standard in the Man component. He refers to Jesus Christ the Word become flesh. (Re.21:17)
Jacob after seeing the vision called the windows as the gate of heaven. "this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven."(Ge.28:17) Where shall we look for its match on the earth? "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." (Re.11:7). What are the two witnesses? Men or man and angel or the word of God (The idea of sending disciples 'two by two' before the face of Jesus Christ is implied here.) Of them St Paul annotates," For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way./And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming."(2 The.2:8)
This takes us to the 'pit' (introduced by Isaiah 51:1 "Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged." (To be continued)
Ge.2:14 :"And the fourth river is Euphrates." (1 of 2)
The command number Four informs us that this river is under the watch of the word of God. Of the four river heads only this river can be located precisely and it is for a purpose. Heaven and the earth are two worlds framed by the word of God so whatever of the world unseen shall have its match found on the world made to appear. In short faith and the two worlds stated in He.11:3 serves us a vital principle. We shall first state what is unseen. It is the Will of God. We have this verse, which is a match for the river Euphrates."There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High."(Ps.46:4)
We shall search for other match-ups before we proceed further. Before the creation of man we read of subterranean reservoir of water, " But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." (Ge.2:6) When God would cause a great flood He reveals it to Noah. " behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."(6:17) Windows of heaven work at tandem with the fountains of the deep. "the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened./ And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights."(Ge.7: 11-12) Forty days (4x10) inform us that it ordained by the word of God what framed the two worlds in the first place.
Jacob after seeing the vision called the windows as the gate of heaven. "this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven."(Ge.28:17) Where shall we look for its match on the earth? "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." (Re.11:7).
Thank you everyone for your support. For the kind words and prayers. I wish you all strength and courage to do good, I wish you all blessings from God and wish you success in every act of kindness of yours, I wish you success in getting through all your financial issues, health problems. May God help you and all of us in our everyday life.
I would also kindly ask you to pray for me, to help me find out who I am and what am I supposed to be in this life. I am lost, I don't know what I can and who am I. So if you could, mention me in your prayers so God helps me figure out what should I do, and what do I do best and what is my purpose. Thank You very much.
Also, my sisters in Christ and I who have had massive hair loss or have no hair.
Heavenly Father, please bless us with 1 Corinthians 11:15, in the mighty name of Jesus Christ.
Thank You Father God, Thank You Jesus Christ, and Thank You Holy Spirit.
Yet, when I consider God's Part in it, I can only conceive of His Plan, His Provision of the Sacrifice, His Acceptance of that Work if fully completed, & His Receiving of those who have embraced it & been changed by His Spirit. I sense that the Plan you adhere to, stops at His completed Work, & anything subsequent to that completion is treated as 'adding to His Work - adding to our salvation'. If a repentant sinner, under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, responds to the Gospel, calling out to a Merciful God for forgiveness, I cannot believe that this sinner has added to the Gospel (even, to God's Plan) in any way at all. The Plan was conceived & fully completed - nothing could be added to it, though some have tried & still try. But to say that when we cry out for mercy & forgiveness is adding to that Plan, this becomes too unbelievable for me.
Therefore, in all of this, I cannot leave out both the convicting Work of God's Spirit ( John 16:7-11) coupled with Romans 10:8-10, "the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation": after hearing the Word, being convicted, confession & believing in what God has provided, salvation is given; and this is just the sinner's response to a Work that has already been done by God alone.
I will ask for these things:
1. For the Lord to reveal to you now what spiritual opportunities there are in your workplace; your commute and with your neighbors where you are staying now.
2. That your kids will be able to be established educationally; and possibly to be able to make some extra income if old enough.
3. Any additional money making opportunities will be made clear to you and that possibly the Lord can give you wisdom with either a house rental or working with others to purchase a place and rent it to others; or alternatively if you have a relative that would consider having you stay for a time
4. That God will give you favor with a personal contact for a good used car (dealers tend to really "stick it to you" on prices)
Just talked today to a single mom at work who has 3 sons and I believe 2 other kids; along with kidney stone and fibromyalgia issues. Surely you are not alone; and I suppose you know the Lord. I pray you find interactions that are a blessing to you and also have wisdom to avoid ones that are not.
I will read over your responses to Chris and get back with you perhaps tonight or tomorrow.
I just come off a road trip and got a bucket list to deal with.
God bless.
On the other hand,countries considered Christian that remain separate from the Man Beast of the Gentiles,but very similar religiously speaking,influenced by the religious Power of the MAN Beast of sea,for example countries like the United Kingdom, together with the United States(President Biden is Roman Catholic),and others called Eastern Christians and Orthodox Christians,all of these religious nations are linked to the BODY OF THE RED DRAGON-Re.12:3-having 7 HEADS and 10 horns, and seven crowns upon his HEADS.
In the midst of all this satanic and idolatrous mess are Israel,10 tribes in particular,which for now is NOT linked with the MAN Beast of sea,but soon Israel will be;And the believers spread across gigantic divisions,denominational and spiritual,dominated by countless doctrines,many of them even satanic,as in the churches of Asia at the beginning of the Church of the Lord,and in addition to the 7 churches in Asia,the worst of all happened in the apostate Church of Rome( 1John 2:18-19).
Isaiah 9:14-16 prophesied:
14Therefore the Lord will cut off from Israel HEAD and TAIL,branch and rush,in one Day
15The ancient and honorable,he is the head; the prophet who teaches lies,he is the TAIL
16For the leaders of these people cause them to err;and they that are led of them are destroyed
Re.12:4-And his TAIL drew the third part of the stars of heaven,and did cast them to the earth
But now,even now,from now on,all will be punished- Revelation 11:18
Get ready
2Peter 3:8 - What does the Word of GOD say? But, beloved, be not IGNORANT of this one thing, that one Day (GOD's Day) is with the Lord as a thousand years(a Millennium), and a thousand years(a Millennium) as one Day-(GOD's Day). Did you understand?
In fact, the names of them WHICH ARE USING the verse by a half as base for malevolente comments are SeanPaul, Spencer and Chris. IN FACT, the intention of the stealthy spirit was to throw a stumbling block, and from there develop an environment for a DEMONIC discussion, mainly with me, no surprise, the time is of the last battle as is written, but the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, understand? the Word is quick and powerful, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and INTENTS of the hearts. My Lord JESUS warned(He is GOD, understand?) saying that "out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, FALSE WITNESS, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, blasphemies, understand? Matthew 15:19
Now, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, and as He said by His servant the Apostle Peter, i.e. the heavens(the FIRST and the SECOND HEAVENS, THE 3rd will be established from now on), and the earth(the current idolater Israel, the clay, a dry land), which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against this Day of Judgment(the Judgment Seat of Christ in this current Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) and perdition of ungodly men.
Be careful or else get ready
God made Adam a living soul and after his likeness meant his authority to name His creation came from Jesus Christ. "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;/ And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."(Ph.2:10-11) Here the mind of Christ fulfils the mind of his Father. So the body of saints redeemed from the earth can only fit with his head and none other. In Isaiah we read the Church is signified by seven women. "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach./ In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent."(Is.4:1-2)
"In that day" refers to the day of regeneration.
"And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."
According to the everlasting covenant God created man 'after our image, and after our likeness' so in primary sense we are looking at man who is a living soul. There is a secondary sense where Adam stands as a double for the Man component so blessings are to come on him where soul is the linchpin for his everlasting life. God blessed man on day six, saying, " Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:" Dominion over His creation required replenishing the earth which is purely in a physical sense. He being after 'our image' required also everything else so the upkeep of life forms left under his care. God had blessed them as well on day five so creation in the seas, air and on land (1:22) multiplied generations after generation. In short what was memorial before the throne did not end up as museum pieces. Both heaven and earth pulsated with the dynamics of the divine power and wisdom. Like begets like on earth to which the four and twenty elders and the four beasts were living testament of the glory of the Father.
Adam being after the likeness of his Son served the Law of the Spirit. The Man would be sent as the word become flesh so he served as the head for the body, a glorious tabernacle so the core value of the covenant was fully met. Fellowship of God with Man required everlasting life as concomitant with his body. This is what we hear when the Word which is God presents the new heaven and new earth. "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God."(Re.21:3)
God made Adam a living soul and after his likeness meant his authority to name came from Jesus Christ. "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,...
disbelief is 'Taking a stand' or Anti... There against it.instead of For it
when that happens,it best to shake the dust off your shoes n get away from them
The Gift of freewill
is a gift,when used wisely
can be a curse when not
in humor its like the old saying,'One for all and all for one;
one person for All the bible ,All the bible for that one
I do not agree with your understanding when we harmonize everything the Bible teaches regarding the Nature of Salvation, the Nature of Mankind, and the Nature of God's Justice and Judgment.
2 Timothy 3:16
1 Corinthians 2:12-16
Please see my last response to Chris.
Unfortunately what you have stated puts mankind in control of salvation. And if I may paraphrase what you are saying somewhat crassly:
God has done His part and now it's up to us.
And there certainly are verses when taken in isolation that might support that view. (see my responses to Spencer and Adam)
That conclusion, however, flys in the face of many other statements God makes about the Nature of Salvation, the Nature of Mankind, and the Nature of God's Justice and Judgment.
Romans 3:10-18, Romans 9, Ezekiel 36:24-32, Eph 2:1 and many many more.
God did not write the Bible in a way that is easy to come to truth. In fact He wrote it in a way to reveal truth if we follow the principles that God lays down, but also to hide truth. 2 Timothy 3:16 and Matthew 13:10-17.
God also has a time table for revealing truth from the Bible. Romans 16:25,26 and Daniel 12:9. Christ the perfect preacher taught many things about His death and resurrection, yet His disciples did not understand until after the fact.
Most importantly we must be looking to God Himself, praying that He might open our spiritual eyes and ears as we search the Bible comparing Scripture with Scripture. This is not quick or easy business.
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:"
Pray for USA, & Jew's Nation. In The Name of Jesus Christ
In Re.19 we have mention of his destruction, "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army./ And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.(19:19-20). 'The war in heaven' consequently has consequences on earth. Michael has his counterpart in Apollyon. "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit." (Re.9:11)
Alongside four river heads we can add four angels who are sent to quell the kings of the earth. In the vision of Zechariah they are four carpenters. (Ze.1:18-20). How do we interpret the prophesy "Therefore thus saith the Lord; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the Lord of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem." (Ze.1:11) The Spirit cues us in with "the angel of the Lord that stood among the myrtle trees," and he stands there as the risen Christ. "I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies' refer to Zion and New Jerusalem and not the old. Myrtle tree signifies resurrection. In Re.22: 1 the tree of life for example is validation of the covenant.
" He shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."
The verse refers to the beast who shall make his entry, "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." (Re.11:7) The bottomless pit is distinct from the pit 'whence ye are digged'. Those names counted as born in Zion shall have a rock hewn tomb which is new. It is this newness that ties the earthy to the heavenly places. New creation is placed in new heaven and new earth. The bottomless pit is where the beast emerges from and it is to be spiritually understood.
Ps.119:89. Sovereignty of God is set which is the Law so there is no place from where one can hide. Ps.139 illustrates it. "In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also." Bottomless is diametrically opposite to the eternal word settled in heaven. It is thus outer darkness in the lexicon of the Spirit the children of disobedience are sent to.
Bottomless consequently is the natural habitat of enemies to Christ of which the beast is pre-eminent. St Paul refers to the beast as the wicked. "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:/ Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,/ And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 The.2:8-10) The nations that perish all have their place when the saints redeemed from the earth meet Christ in his glory in mid-air.
You asked; "When these verses use the word "world", is it talking about every single person in the world?
Referring to
1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY)...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
Yes David here's my understanding.
( John specifically included the Greek word holou, which means "whole, entire, all, complete.
Your second question you asked; "How does your understanding of the nature of salvation fit into Romans 3:10-18? Or Romans 9?
My understanding.
Because of Romans 3:10-18 the invitation goes out to everyone in the WHOLE world.
Just as Romans 3:20 goes out to everyone in the whole world.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
If the Ministration of death which slew us went out to everyone then the Gospel and a drink of the living water invitation went out to everyone.
If the ministration of death that slew us doesn't goes to everyone there would be no need for the Gospel.
Paul said when the law came we died.
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 5:13.
David here's what we have in front of us and the scope of our debate.
Either God created EVERYONE, then "by the law" slew EVERYONE but only gave the ability to a few to recieve the invitation and condemn the rest to hell.
Or,, Good created everyone,
by the law, slew everyone and brought light into the world that Light, which lighteth EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE WORLD, as John 1:9 says to offer salvation to everyone.
Which do you believe?
Is God then obliged to save everyone based on this Sacrifice? The price was paid, the Gift of Salvation is now offered to all who hear, understand & believe the Gospel - all we have to do is to receive this gracious undeserved Gift of God. Some will receive it, being moved by the Spirit towards repentance, but most will have nothing to do with self-examination of their hearts & of judgement to come upon them. God opened the door for all through His Son's shed blood - the price was paid for all - BUT what good is the Gift if it be rejected & counted as something useless?
God did the Work offering them salvation - they sealed their fate by refusing His offer; yet God knowing who would refuse (or accept) Him, the Gift was still there for all to respond to & receive, that none would be without excuse and not one would not have the Sacrifice availed for them - given by the God of Love & all Merciful.
Thank you David0921 for explaining that third paragraph. I mistakenly took it the other way: that God was somehow diminished in knowledge by only seeing 'those who would not respond', failing to see those who would respond, thus entering His Kingdom. I can now see what you were writing.
Further on, you wrote, 'The Bible clearly teaches that ALL Mankind is DEAD in Trespasses and Sin. Eph 2:1 And it requires God to first "draw", and then "save" those whom He has chosen to salvation by giving them a New Heart. This is becoming Born Again. That action is entirely God's action. It is not dependent on any action or response on our part.'
That was an interesting statement, though I wondered where the conviction of sin, repentance, calling upon the Lord, and belief (saving faith) come in, in-between the 'drawing and then saving' (and to this you refer to as 'becoming born again'). Why I ask, is that there is a belief, which I don't subscribe to, that we are first saved & once we are enlightened & regenerated, now alive & not spiritually dead, we can then repent & call upon the Lord in faith.
Yes, I did state, "the merits of His Son's death availed to all". By this, I meant that Christ's Sacrifice was the necessary payment as required by the Father so that every person, who could never make payment for their sin or cleanse their guilty conscience, has now been given a clear path to God for forgiveness, having satisfied God's Wrath against us & Jesus being our Substitute by paying our penalty.
"And I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit./And he opened the bottomless pit." (Re.9:1-2) " Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates./ And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men./ And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them."
The fourth river is spiritually bound so it has to be cleared the way for the kings of the eat, which is the beginning of the end. "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."(Re.16:12).Alpha Omega aspect of Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith which is derived from the Word. It is the Gospel of God that is the basis for the fellowship of God with Man and not the doctrine of men as the imposter church imposes on the unteachable.
Isaiah refers to the creation of man. So path to righteousness is already set where the word of God sets Adam as a double for the Man component in the everlasting covenant. The first Adam is earthy, the form of which creates a pit of sorts.Isaiah refers it to 'the hole of the pit whence ye are digged'.
"Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged." Jesus was buried in a 'new' rock hewn. tomb. Joseph was foreknown so he does as and when his service is needed, and Evangelist Matthew writes,"And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock."(Matt.27:40). Those who follow after righteousness have been called before the worlds began,- they are hewn out of the rock which marks their antecedents begin with Zion. In short realities of heaven and earth are framed by the word of God.
The inaugural vision of the risen Christ explains his Alpha Omega aspect. " I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." (Re.1:18) so he is in control. This brings us to the great commission and he declares, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."(Matt.26:18)
Now we shall go back to the significance of the River Euphrates. Firstly who holds the key to the bottomless pit? The seven stars were shown in the vision, "The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches."(1:20). The multiples of angels in seven according to the lexicon of the Spirit indicative of the unity of the Spirit. When the Lamb breaks open a seal it has consequences on the earth. Thus the single measurement with which the holy city of God is measured becomes the standard in the Man component. He refers to Jesus Christ the Word become flesh. (Re.21:17)
Jacob after seeing the vision called the windows as the gate of heaven. "this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven."(Ge.28:17) Where shall we look for its match on the earth? "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." (Re.11:7). What are the two witnesses? Men or man and angel or the word of God (The idea of sending disciples 'two by two' before the face of Jesus Christ is implied here.) Of them St Paul annotates," For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way./And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming."(2 The.2:8)
This takes us to the 'pit' (introduced by Isaiah 51:1 "Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged." (To be continued)
The command number Four informs us that this river is under the watch of the word of God. Of the four river heads only this river can be located precisely and it is for a purpose. Heaven and the earth are two worlds framed by the word of God so whatever of the world unseen shall have its match found on the world made to appear. In short faith and the two worlds stated in He.11:3 serves us a vital principle. We shall first state what is unseen. It is the Will of God. We have this verse, which is a match for the river Euphrates."There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High."(Ps.46:4)
We shall search for other match-ups before we proceed further. Before the creation of man we read of subterranean reservoir of water, " But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." (Ge.2:6) When God would cause a great flood He reveals it to Noah. " behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."(6:17) Windows of heaven work at tandem with the fountains of the deep. "the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened./ And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights."(Ge.7: 11-12) Forty days (4x10) inform us that it ordained by the word of God what framed the two worlds in the first place.
Jacob after seeing the vision called the windows as the gate of heaven. "this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven."(Ge.28:17) Where shall we look for its match on the earth? "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." (Re.11:7).
I would also kindly ask you to pray for me, to help me find out who I am and what am I supposed to be in this life. I am lost, I don't know what I can and who am I. So if you could, mention me in your prayers so God helps me figure out what should I do, and what do I do best and what is my purpose. Thank You very much.