Hello Mtullis150. Not sure whether you're seeking help to understand this situation, so will share my thoughts briefly. When we read the whole account found in Exodus 4:18-26, we learn that after Moses took his wife Zipporah & sons ( Exodus 4:20, Exodus 18:3) from Midian to Egypt (when the LORD instructed Moses what to do when he approached Pharaoh), they stopped by an inn (probably for the night). It was here that God approached Moses about him violating the command (as was first given to Abraham in Genesis 17:10), and would have killed Moses for neglecting to circumcise his son.
We could assume that in this situation, Moses would have circumcised his other son earlier, but for some reason (whether because of urgency to travel, or just plain neglect & apathy), one son had not gone under the knife. So, Moses' wife immediately dealt with this matter, thereby saving her husband's life, though not withholding him from a good tongue-lashing. This horrific occasion probably compelled Moses to understand & appreciate better that, as certain as God's Hand would come against him for disobeying God's Command, so to would God's Hand be even more potent & harsh against Pharaoh if he refuses to let the Israelites leave Egypt. Hope this helps a little.
I'm reading from the Cepher Millennium Edition. The word carbuncle refers to a rare stone in the first row of the breast plate of the high priest. Verse 5 speaks to music in a banquet of wine, is light a rare stone set in gold, (precious). Verse 6 re-edify verse 5 again showing the importance of music at a banquet, and verse 7 says refrain from speaking, if you must speak scarcely.
I'm assuming by what you have written in this thread that you are a single woman, or perhaps you are asking who a woman with no husband is supposed to ask (in response to 1 Corinthians 14:35). In this case, if a woman with no husband has questions during the service, why can't they ask the pastor afterwards? That's who they should be asking.
If you don't mind my asking, are you a pastor? And if I may ask a few more questions, in 1 Corinthians 14:34, women are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. Can you tell me what law this is referring to? Can you please share your understanding of 1 Timothy 2:11-12? What qualities must a pastor possess? Lastly, as far a church function, God has given us His order. Can you tell me what that order is?
Finally, I would like to say that all believers are equal, both men and women, but they have different functions and responsibilities. Does God use women to preach the gospel? Yes, but they are not to be placed in a position of authority over the men in the church. Regardless of what we think about this topic, the bible is clear that women are not allowed to be pastors!
I have been following along in this thread from the beginning and chose not to engage earlier because I thought there were some pretty solid answers given to support the fact that women are not allowed to be overseers or pastors in a church assembly. I would like to share a few thoughts of my own on this.
First, I am sorry to hear that you spent so much time reading from Genesis through Revelation trying to find where Paul said a woman shouldn't teach or be over a man. Since Paul's letters are only found in 13 books of the New Testament, you could have saved yourself a lot of time in your search.
You said, and I quote "I know he (Paul) gave the church of Corinthians instructions by writing them a letter in prison." I'm wondering how you know this for a fact since Paul was not in prison at the time he wrote the letter to the church in Corinth. Paul wrote this letter during his 3rd missionary journey, not while he was in prison.
I do agree with your conclusion on 1 Corinthians 14:34. Here, Paul is not giving instruction about who can or cannot pastor a church. Paul gives instruction elsewhere on this, and those sections of scripture have already been shared with you. Did you notice in this very same verse, it says nothing about the men? Also, you mention that you "have not read where Paul said a woman shouldn't teach or be over a man," but where does Paul say a woman can or should teach and be over a man? Or where does Paul say that a woman can be a pastor?
Prayer for protection from things trying to hinder my life. I ask for prayer for a breakthough in a dating relationship. I ask for finances to buy a home. I ask for a breakthough in understanding why I am hindered in getting into a dating relationship. I ask for a breakthough in getting into a dating relationship. I ask for a divine covering and a great hedge of protection around me and all of my family members I pray for daily and often. I ask for prayer to help complete my homework on time before this week is over. I ask for all of these things in Lord Jesus Christ Name, amen.
As the last in the series the Holy Spirit has organised the Bible in three divisions. The everlasting covenant under the Law of the Spirit narrated in seven days. It is man 'after our image.' (Gen.ch. 1-.2.3) The same is narrated 'after our likeness'(Gen.2.4). Third is from the Word which was with God.These three POV gives us the body, spirit and soul, the Trinity. The same division we have in the book of the Revelation. The seven candlesticks, seven seals seven trumpets seven vials narrate The Law of Spirit bringing out the unseen world ( the will of the Father) fulfilled by the Son so the glory of heaven and earth culminate in single entity: Throne of God and of the Lamb. The events in the book is thus narrated from the Three POV. For example the earthquake towards the seven angels completing their task is a shift in the narrative mode.
Events take place Up Down and Across. So the holy city in mid air incorporates the volume of God, Man and glory.
St john before the throne see Glory of God in terms of three. "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.". The holy city of God is lit by the light of the Lamb. Rev.21.18-23) The Trinitarian aspects of heaven is dispersed as glory of God. The inaugural vision of St John sets the fulness of Christ in terms of the bride of Christ in seven candlesticks. In the city of God the church is given a glorious body. It has a single measurement,'according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel'. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him upholds the fellowship between God and Man to which angels have also a part. 'By him all things consist' is fulfilled in the new heaven and new earth. The same blessing promised unto the covenant we read in Rev.1.1-3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein." Amen
"The temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein." and "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: (Rev.11.1,19). This ought to tell us that the congregation (Rev.14.1) is waiting for the temple of God to open. The ark of his testament has nothing of the articles relating to the ark of the covenant under the Law of Moses. "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?'( 1 Cor.3.16-17)Body also includes the altar and saints redeemed from the earth who are on mount Sion. Final measurement of it is given Rev.21.16.
"But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." (11.2) The court is the world, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness"( 1 Jn 5.19). Forty two months is a tag for the nations which persecute the vulnerable. They taunt the poor as slackers and deny support that they well need."He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker."(Prov.14.31) The two witnesses signify all the martyrs since Abel. (Mt.23.35-36) 42 months also is a tag for "Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"(23.23)
"And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them./ And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand." (11.12-13). The number 7x1000 show wrath of God which is determined by the Law. The same earthquake is mentioned at the opening of the sixth seal. Wrath of the Lamb is repeated in terms of the day of the Lord.Now the earthquake in terms of the Word become flesh, " and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent."(Mt.27.51)
The Temple of God is in fact the house of prayer for all nations. Isa.56.8. Only a remnant from Israel is let in. Mk 11.17
The first line "Imposter churches their own rule which in Christ there is no split. There are no gender issues , ageism. We are all members of one body while Christ is the head"
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"Imposter churches makes their own rules while in Christ there is no split. There are no gender issues , ageism. We are all members of one body while Christ is the head."
I am sorry that you are unable to find 1 Timothy 2:11,12 - I don't think my repeating that Scripture any more will help you, except to drag this out unnecessarily. When you find it, you can maybe share what you read there.
And I don't understand what you mean by writing, "I don't have a husband so who am I supposed to ask?" Ask what? If you had a question about what is written in the Bible or even having to make a decision over a matter in your life, as a single person, as with any person (married or single), we need to first seek the Lord's Face & learn from His Word for help. Approaching your Elder or Pastor would also be the best informed people to advise you, since they would be aware of your status & needs. And it is a very good thing that you are sharing Christ with others - there's no contradiction from the Word on that, but when in a Church meeting, the Apostle Paul made the matter very clear.
Imposter churches their own rule which in Christ there is no split. There are no gender issues , ageism. We are all members of one body while Christ is the head. The churches that make Christ in their own image shall need such props so they may preach nationalism, white or ethnic, and advocate prosperity. Our soul is a sign that Christ dwells in us by faith to whom you glory. So covering the head is to indicate glory is indeed reserved on him. Stick to your spiritual understanding and it is safer,
The bread you break has no gender issue in token of partaking the body broken on the cross.
God had no such issue with Hagar and He saw her as he saw anyother in need.
" That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose./And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(Gen.6.2-3)
This striving is what St Paul explains in Rom.ch.7. Law of the Spirit means peace, whereas the law of sin creates confusion. So God sets the standard 12x10 in terms of the spoken word,- the gospel while 7 refers to the Law, or the Word. He that has the Son has the Father as well. ( 1 Jn 2.23) Thus 12x12 explains the man blessed under the covenant. On the day Seven he is sanctifies meaning that he is set apart in heavenly places in his Son.(Eph.1.3) 144,000 is a body created so we are exhorted to be holy and without blame before him in love. "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it." (Gen.2.3). The true meaning of Sabbath applies to the rest for which the 144,000 on the mount Sion are called and set apart. Whereas we in our vile bodies walk after the Spirit. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit./For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." (Rom.8.1-2)
The measure of 12x10 applies to man who is covered under the Law of the Spirit. Sabbath was instituted under the Law of Moses for the nation of Israels. They mingled with people as Ezra faults them, "For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass."(Ezra.9.1-2)
The striving in Gen.6-3 is explained in Rev.12 There was war in heaven," he (the devil) was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.(Rev.12.7-9). The tags separate the godly from sons of perdition.
I have read my bible from Genesis to Revelation, and I have not read where Paul said a woman shouldn't teach or be over a man. I know he gave the church of Corinthians instructions by writing them a letter in prison. In those letters he told women to be silent in church. Being silent means to be quiet that have nothing to do with a woman preaching or being over a man. You have not given me any proof at all except for women should be silent in church and I Timothy chapter 3. God uses the unlikely and he uses women as well. We women will not sit on our God gifts we are teachers, preachers we are leaders and God called us to spread the word. I don't have a husband so who am I supposed to ask? I have no doubt I am a woman of God called to preach so far no proof.
Draw near to the Lord and he will draw near to you. James 4:8
He loves you and your son. I am glad he responded to the priest's prayers. It is hard to see our children go through pain and challenges.
No judgment from me in your son's issues or for your support of him. Keep talking to your shepherd and trusting that He will make all things right in his time. May he pour his love over the both of you and fill you with all faith and believing.
I appreciate that you are sharing your heart here. You are enduring so much pain for your son and he is also suffering greatly. I am glad to keep you in prayer. If you do have a Bible, I would just encourage you to read it. I would recommend psalms as in them the writer calls out to God in times of trouble, grief, despair, and worry.
God is always good and He sees you and your son and knows all that you both are experiencing. I pray that He will give your more faith in Him and brings you to trust Him with everything in about your life and your son's life.
Praying for you that all will go well with your mom's transport and hospital visit.
The people who transport patients have the equipment to do so pretty effectively; I'm sure she will be in good hands. I understand about the anxiety; I have that problem, too. The Lord loves you and will help you and your mom. Heavenly Father, be with your precious ones tonight and tomorrow. Help them to trust in You. Thank You for hearing us and for Your answers.
" Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,"Dan.9.23-24 and it is specific, 'and to bring in everlasting righteousness'. While studying the mystery of numbers we are to fix the significance of numbers expressed in months and days. 70 is made up of 7x10 and it is to bring in everlasting righteousness. It is revealed by Gabriel who also figures in the gospels, He is also addressed as man and angel,('Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning'). Number 7 is with regards to the everlasting covenant set forth in Genesis ch.1 These seven days concern the man blessed by God in our image. It is not Jewish nation but simply man. It is with reference to man God says, "And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." (Gen.6.3) Thus we have two numbers 7x10 and 12x10. Command number 7 indicates completeness, the Law or the Word. The Word was God.(Jn.1.1) Man who is blessed of God is freed from condemnation.(Ro.8.1). The 144,000 standing with the Lamb are made up of 1200x12000 which is a measure of the holy city. "and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal." (Rev.21.16)
What Gabriel referred to Daniel as 70 weeks is about the Law of the Spirit while what St John measures is the holy city. It is not literal Jerusalem. It is John who measures, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein."(Rev.11.1) Here we have a curious word, measure them that worship therein." This is the congregation in heavenly places, and tagged by 12x12= 144 is the volume of man blessed under 7 days of the covenant. Also note, "that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years."(2 Pet.3.8)
Holiness is something that can only be present in a truly saved individual; of course that means fruits worthy of repentance. ( Matt. 3:8; Acts 26:20). It shows the reflection of the inner man through the authority of Christ; and also the outer actions which also are a reflection of what is truly within. Working on our salvation with fear and trembling ( Philippians 2:12) certainly is a good reference to how our work to grow in maturity corresponds to initial fear of the Lord which should continue as we mature out of our love and reverence to a Holy God. Many tend to seem to be numbed after their original conversion; while those who wish to grow in faith realize more and more their own hopeless state when struggling with the old nature along with Satan's endless accusations of the brethren.
Clearly we don't want titles that promote some man made heirarchy or even use Biblical terms such as Bishop or Pastor to make ourselves seem superior; ministry of men is to be in authority over women but doesn't make them more important; that is another illustration related to this concept. The best way I see it as I have said before is that someone who is truly shining as someone bringing in 100 fold results or shining like the sun stands out as unnerving; when I'm around people like that I want to run and hide. Again that is the same reaction we will have when being in the Lord's presence. I mentioned Daniel; Isaiah and John the Revelator before; we can't forget Saul of Tarsus and his conversion as well as Job's two rebukes from God after the long section showing "brotherly love" (not) from his so called friends. Job blamed God for what was Satan but we could argue he didn't know better; nonetheless the bargain Satan made in the beginning chapters ended up in a humiliating loss and Job was exalted even more after his trial as a righteous man albeit before the Atoning sacrifice of Christ.
In relation to my last posting; I may have mentioned that I had an opportunity to challenge my dad to ask God to deliver him from his many years of anger and said Christ delivered me from that. Not much reaction from him; I can only trust God has him where someone can witness to him as I have done all I can living with him. I did want to say that I plan to visit weekly while I'm in the area and once a month even if I do move away so likely will keep the house if I can; if not will stay locally in air b and b; etc.
Tonight among other things discussing 1 Peter we got into the subject of holiness in the lives of believers. Something in my mind which reminds me of Proverbs 27:2 where another is to praise you not yourself; I mentioned this to my dad in a letter from 2013.
Some of my thoughts are this; all saints are holy in some capacity. The fact that the Spirit resides in us of course has to be a reality as many are hypocritical and there are many tares among the wheat. I would say that holiness is both what 1 Peter describes in being "sober minded" as well as the overall growth of the "inner man".
Thinking of a friend of mine from a few years back; I could discern that indeed the Spirit was present in him; but he struggled with some obvious sins; which he was much more open and vocal about than most people I know. The advice therefore for someone who is as the Corinthians immature but still in the faith is as iron sharpening iron; exhortation and rebuke should be part of any deep friendship if we are truly concerned for our fellow believers welfare. Sometimes saying nothing and praying for the Spirit to convict is the best action in that case as well. Ultimately until we are certain someone is producing fruits worthy of repentance we can't spend all our time or go beyond what the Lord wills to try to "convince" someone.
Often lack of spiritual balance and a need to learn from others in the Body of Christ is in order. more in next posting
Update: Was able to get my dad into facility yesterday although he called wanting to come home last night and unsuccessfully tried to leave a message today.
I thank everyone for the prayers; although there will be a struggle for some time. I am praying for wisdom and after consultation with a couple people there I am going to wait a couple more days before visiting him and perhaps bring my Aunt next week who lives not that far away; his only living relative in the area.
I got him a Bible today and by God's grace I located some classical music which contains a couple Tchaikovsky cassettes that he favors; some of the music I actually found discarded about 15 years ago or longer.
I will find out tomorrow about if I can put the house up for sale and (hopefully) get rid of some of dad's clutter; much of which is junked tools and electronics in the basement. He has a bunch of VCR's he can't use stacked in another room; etc. The Lord has blessed me with friends that can help me clean out and sell some stuff. I am praying for wisdom in attempting to help a brother if he finds favor staying in my house (he's an artist and needs some room); my plan is to go back at least next summer to Western PA and work as my school job is out then; and take a spring trip out there to talk to a Pastor and visit some old friends and hopefully do some evangelism around Spring Break. Once the house is sold I would probably get property out there; but also want to be open for other places or ministries wherever even overseas evangelism opportunities.
One of the topics I brought up in small group tonight was the balance between careful planning and relying on human wisdom. This was pertinent with getting my dad where he is today; and paperwork; etc. Dependance on the prayers of the saints and God's providential hand in allowing things to go forward in His timing takes both patience and hard work. Today a lady at small group brought up her dad's deathbed conversion.
Colossians 2:5 - For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
For though I am absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying, (more literally rejoicing) and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
Those are two military terms, "your order," and the word stedfastness. One means to be in an orderly arrangement or to be lined up properly like a military formation. And stedfastness is the solidity of the strength of that military force. And as far as the order goes, we see that in Chapter 3 Verse 18. He's going to set out the order of this life that we have in Christ.
Colossians 2:7 - Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
The King James says rooted. The word with the "ed" on the end is supposed to give you the sense that it's already happened. Of course that's the Perfect Tense, having been rooted. You have already been rooted in Christ. Once you've received Christ, He is deeply rooted.
Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Beware lest any man spoil you, and that's the word for rob, like a robbery. This word for philosophy is the only place in the NT that it's found. PHILEO means love, and SOPHOS means wisdom. It's the love of wisdom. You study knowledge in order to get wisdom.
Don't let anyone spoil or rob you through philosophy, and empty deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments (elements) of the world, and not after Christ. Some are very good at presenting scientific facts that they hook together, and they take the logical and reasonable elements of the world and make the presentation sound acceptable. But if it's not according to Christ, it's to be rejected.
Colossians 1:29 - Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working. The word striving is an athletic term, AGONIDZO. It's our word agony but it was used to describe what the athlete goes through. Paul says I'm laboring to the point of exhaustion, agonizing according to His energy, which is energizing in me in power.
What a verse! Paul always gave the credit to Christ. Christ is the one who is energizing in me. And I labor according to His energy which is energizing in me. No human effort. He says it's all the moving and compelling of God's Spirit that makes me do what I do.
Colossians 2:1 - For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
Paul says for I would that you knew what great conflict I have for you. The word conflict is the word AGONA. It's where we get our English word agony from. And it is an athletic term. When an athlete is told to get involved in the Agona, they're told to strive, or to push.
Paul says I am in this conflict just like an athlete. I have great conflict for you. Paul is in Rome, and he heard what's happening there in Colossae, and he's involved in a great battle with his own self in his heart for these believers.
Colossians 1:19 - For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
For it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell;
Notice I translated this with a definite article, all of (the) fullness, because the Gnostics believe that the fullness was who God is. That was their technical term for God, and this fullness sent out emanations from Him, different angels, and different "gods" to visit us. In Christ dwells all of the fullness of who God is.
Colossians 1:23 - If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
It sounds like its conditional. You can be reconciled, have the promise of this position before God in His representation of you, but if you don't continue.
This is the construction in Greek that is known as the First-Class Condition Assumed to be true. He's not saying if you continue on. He's saying since you are continuing in the faith, and listen to this: having been grounded and settled, and not being moved away. There's a lot right there, but basically having been grounded, every Christian that receives Christ has been grounded, and they continue on because of that.
Colossians 1:17 - And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is before all things. That's the word PROS, that means in time and importance. He is before all things. And in Him all things consist. The word consist means held together.
Here's what it is saying: In Christ, all things were created, visible and invisible, heaven and earth. All things were created in Him, and through Him, and for Him. Christ created all things. And He created them for Himself. You and I were created by Him for Him, not for us. You can see how far sin has pulled us away from God, and how much we are so self-centered because of sin, and that all day long, I'm living my life like I want to live my life.
I was created by Him, and I was created for Him and His purposes. And most of the day, I live my life not even realizing that He even exists. But that's the damage that sin has done. And He is before all things, time and importance. And in Him all things are being held together.
It's very interesting how the scientists say that because of the structure of the atom, all material things should just blow apart. They say that there's nothing to hold the atoms together. In fact, they are functioning in such a way that they should repel each other. And I find it interesting that scientists cannot explain what holds the atom together. I have even heard of them saying it is due to some sort of "atomic glue."
But in reality, the bible says that Christ is holding all things together. One day He's just going to let go and it will be all over. In Him, all things are held together. Hebrews 1:1-3 tells us that all the ages are being carried along by the word of God. God is propelling history!
Colossians 1:15 - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Christ, who is the image of the invisible God, and the word for image is the Greek word EIKON, and it's where we get our word icon from. And it means an exact likeness. It is used to describe what a person sees when they look into a mirror.
You think you're looking at yourself but that's not you. It's your likeness. It's an image. Or you see yourself in the reflection on the water. You're seeing your image. When we get into the book of Hebrews, there's a tremendous assortment of Greek words that talk about the very Spirit of God projecting Himself through the time space factor and taking up residency in the person of Jesus Christ.
Colossians 1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
For by Him, literally in Him, that's the preposition in. In Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, and that's lordships, or principalities, or authorities:
All things were created by Him, and that's the word through. In Greek, it is DIA with the Genitive. All things were created through Him, and for Him: that's EIS.
gigi I had requested prayers because I do not know how to pray within words. I informed you or whoever gets this. I confessed the pain of my son Arthur and how his life is struggling for life. how his prayers were sent out when he was forced to lye, tired in the hot sun, asking God to not be so hard on him. How the catholic priest came to his hospital bed and asked him if he could pray for him and how the prayer from the priest must have touched his heart and he rejoiced in tears and was anxious to tell me when I had gone to visit him. (my son) at that time, I had thought He was committing himself to the great skies.
Just because I do not use Verses and scriptures of prayer request or informing how the pain hurts inside of me for my son. Yes! i PRAY and pray over, and over for my son to release himself to the great man up above. his addiction overwhelms him from all the promises that were let down, then again it might be an excise sorry. just because my son is struggling with his health, the system, as well as the drugs, it is not me. I am clean I just basically stay at home and jump when his in needs. I do not mean to enable my son, It saddens my heart that I am not able to write this all to you without you to not allow Prayers to be sent out. Sorry. I am a believer, but I have never faithfully committed myself for I lean to my son in prayer. can you understand. I do not know verses, nor scriptures and in fact I never knew what a testimony was and if I was doing that. so, I guess I too am a failure. You might reject me for writing this but at least the man above does not reject me. he keeps me pursuing help in prayers for my Child so to say. Never give up.
We could assume that in this situation, Moses would have circumcised his other son earlier, but for some reason (whether because of urgency to travel, or just plain neglect & apathy), one son had not gone under the knife. So, Moses' wife immediately dealt with this matter, thereby saving her husband's life, though not withholding him from a good tongue-lashing. This horrific occasion probably compelled Moses to understand & appreciate better that, as certain as God's Hand would come against him for disobeying God's Command, so to would God's Hand be even more potent & harsh against Pharaoh if he refuses to let the Israelites leave Egypt. Hope this helps a little.
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I'm assuming by what you have written in this thread that you are a single woman, or perhaps you are asking who a woman with no husband is supposed to ask (in response to 1 Corinthians 14:35). In this case, if a woman with no husband has questions during the service, why can't they ask the pastor afterwards? That's who they should be asking.
If you don't mind my asking, are you a pastor? And if I may ask a few more questions, in 1 Corinthians 14:34, women are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. Can you tell me what law this is referring to? Can you please share your understanding of 1 Timothy 2:11-12? What qualities must a pastor possess? Lastly, as far a church function, God has given us His order. Can you tell me what that order is?
Finally, I would like to say that all believers are equal, both men and women, but they have different functions and responsibilities. Does God use women to preach the gospel? Yes, but they are not to be placed in a position of authority over the men in the church. Regardless of what we think about this topic, the bible is clear that women are not allowed to be pastors!
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I have been following along in this thread from the beginning and chose not to engage earlier because I thought there were some pretty solid answers given to support the fact that women are not allowed to be overseers or pastors in a church assembly. I would like to share a few thoughts of my own on this.
First, I am sorry to hear that you spent so much time reading from Genesis through Revelation trying to find where Paul said a woman shouldn't teach or be over a man. Since Paul's letters are only found in 13 books of the New Testament, you could have saved yourself a lot of time in your search.
You said, and I quote "I know he (Paul) gave the church of Corinthians instructions by writing them a letter in prison." I'm wondering how you know this for a fact since Paul was not in prison at the time he wrote the letter to the church in Corinth. Paul wrote this letter during his 3rd missionary journey, not while he was in prison.
I do agree with your conclusion on 1 Corinthians 14:34. Here, Paul is not giving instruction about who can or cannot pastor a church. Paul gives instruction elsewhere on this, and those sections of scripture have already been shared with you. Did you notice in this very same verse, it says nothing about the men? Also, you mention that you "have not read where Paul said a woman shouldn't teach or be over a man," but where does Paul say a woman can or should teach and be over a man? Or where does Paul say that a woman can be a pastor?
Please see part 2
As the last in the series the Holy Spirit has organised the Bible in three divisions. The everlasting covenant under the Law of the Spirit narrated in seven days. It is man 'after our image.' (Gen.ch. 1-.2.3) The same is narrated 'after our likeness'(Gen.2.4). Third is from the Word which was with God.These three POV gives us the body, spirit and soul, the Trinity. The same division we have in the book of the Revelation. The seven candlesticks, seven seals seven trumpets seven vials narrate The Law of Spirit bringing out the unseen world ( the will of the Father) fulfilled by the Son so the glory of heaven and earth culminate in single entity: Throne of God and of the Lamb. The events in the book is thus narrated from the Three POV. For example the earthquake towards the seven angels completing their task is a shift in the narrative mode.
Events take place Up Down and Across. So the holy city in mid air incorporates the volume of God, Man and glory.
St john before the throne see Glory of God in terms of three. "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.". The holy city of God is lit by the light of the Lamb. Rev.21.18-23) The Trinitarian aspects of heaven is dispersed as glory of God. The inaugural vision of St John sets the fulness of Christ in terms of the bride of Christ in seven candlesticks. In the city of God the church is given a glorious body. It has a single measurement,'according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel'. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him upholds the fellowship between God and Man to which angels have also a part. 'By him all things consist' is fulfilled in the new heaven and new earth. The same blessing promised unto the covenant we read in Rev.1.1-3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein." Amen
"The temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein." and "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: (Rev.11.1,19). This ought to tell us that the congregation (Rev.14.1) is waiting for the temple of God to open. The ark of his testament has nothing of the articles relating to the ark of the covenant under the Law of Moses. "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?'( 1 Cor.3.16-17)Body also includes the altar and saints redeemed from the earth who are on mount Sion. Final measurement of it is given Rev.21.16.
"But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." (11.2) The court is the world, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness"( 1 Jn 5.19). Forty two months is a tag for the nations which persecute the vulnerable. They taunt the poor as slackers and deny support that they well need."He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker."(Prov.14.31) The two witnesses signify all the martyrs since Abel. (Mt.23.35-36) 42 months also is a tag for "Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"(23.23)
"And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them./ And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand." (11.12-13). The number 7x1000 show wrath of God which is determined by the Law. The same earthquake is mentioned at the opening of the sixth seal. Wrath of the Lamb is repeated in terms of the day of the Lord.Now the earthquake in terms of the Word become flesh, " and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent."(Mt.27.51)
The Temple of God is in fact the house of prayer for all nations. Isa.56.8. Only a remnant from Israel is let in. Mk 11.17
The first line "Imposter churches their own rule which in Christ there is no split. There are no gender issues , ageism. We are all members of one body while Christ is the head"
is to be read as
"Imposter churches makes their own rules while in Christ there is no split. There are no gender issues , ageism. We are all members of one body while Christ is the head."
And I don't understand what you mean by writing, "I don't have a husband so who am I supposed to ask?" Ask what? If you had a question about what is written in the Bible or even having to make a decision over a matter in your life, as a single person, as with any person (married or single), we need to first seek the Lord's Face & learn from His Word for help. Approaching your Elder or Pastor would also be the best informed people to advise you, since they would be aware of your status & needs. And it is a very good thing that you are sharing Christ with others - there's no contradiction from the Word on that, but when in a Church meeting, the Apostle Paul made the matter very clear.
Imposter churches their own rule which in Christ there is no split. There are no gender issues , ageism. We are all members of one body while Christ is the head. The churches that make Christ in their own image shall need such props so they may preach nationalism, white or ethnic, and advocate prosperity. Our soul is a sign that Christ dwells in us by faith to whom you glory. So covering the head is to indicate glory is indeed reserved on him. Stick to your spiritual understanding and it is safer,
The bread you break has no gender issue in token of partaking the body broken on the cross.
God had no such issue with Hagar and He saw her as he saw anyother in need.
" That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose./And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(Gen.6.2-3)
This striving is what St Paul explains in Rom.ch.7. Law of the Spirit means peace, whereas the law of sin creates confusion. So God sets the standard 12x10 in terms of the spoken word,- the gospel while 7 refers to the Law, or the Word. He that has the Son has the Father as well. ( 1 Jn 2.23) Thus 12x12 explains the man blessed under the covenant. On the day Seven he is sanctifies meaning that he is set apart in heavenly places in his Son.(Eph.1.3) 144,000 is a body created so we are exhorted to be holy and without blame before him in love. "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it." (Gen.2.3). The true meaning of Sabbath applies to the rest for which the 144,000 on the mount Sion are called and set apart. Whereas we in our vile bodies walk after the Spirit. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit./For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." (Rom.8.1-2)
The measure of 12x10 applies to man who is covered under the Law of the Spirit. Sabbath was instituted under the Law of Moses for the nation of Israels. They mingled with people as Ezra faults them, "For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass."(Ezra.9.1-2)
The striving in Gen.6-3 is explained in Rev.12 There was war in heaven," he (the devil) was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.(Rev.12.7-9). The tags separate the godly from sons of perdition.
I am keeping you in prayer.
He loves you and your son. I am glad he responded to the priest's prayers. It is hard to see our children go through pain and challenges.
No judgment from me in your son's issues or for your support of him. Keep talking to your shepherd and trusting that He will make all things right in his time. May he pour his love over the both of you and fill you with all faith and believing.
I will be praying for you and your mom tonight and through tomorrow.
I appreciate that you are sharing your heart here. You are enduring so much pain for your son and he is also suffering greatly. I am glad to keep you in prayer. If you do have a Bible, I would just encourage you to read it. I would recommend psalms as in them the writer calls out to God in times of trouble, grief, despair, and worry.
God is always good and He sees you and your son and knows all that you both are experiencing. I pray that He will give your more faith in Him and brings you to trust Him with everything in about your life and your son's life.
The people who transport patients have the equipment to do so pretty effectively; I'm sure she will be in good hands. I understand about the anxiety; I have that problem, too. The Lord loves you and will help you and your mom. Heavenly Father, be with your precious ones tonight and tomorrow. Help them to trust in You. Thank You for hearing us and for Your answers.
Thanks for the update. Glad your dad is well-placed in this home.
You have a lot to consider now that this has come to pass. I continue to pray for you and your dad.
" Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,"Dan.9.23-24 and it is specific, 'and to bring in everlasting righteousness'. While studying the mystery of numbers we are to fix the significance of numbers expressed in months and days. 70 is made up of 7x10 and it is to bring in everlasting righteousness. It is revealed by Gabriel who also figures in the gospels, He is also addressed as man and angel,('Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning'). Number 7 is with regards to the everlasting covenant set forth in Genesis ch.1 These seven days concern the man blessed by God in our image. It is not Jewish nation but simply man. It is with reference to man God says, "And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." (Gen.6.3) Thus we have two numbers 7x10 and 12x10. Command number 7 indicates completeness, the Law or the Word. The Word was God.(Jn.1.1) Man who is blessed of God is freed from condemnation.(Ro.8.1). The 144,000 standing with the Lamb are made up of 1200x12000 which is a measure of the holy city. "and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal." (Rev.21.16)
What Gabriel referred to Daniel as 70 weeks is about the Law of the Spirit while what St John measures is the holy city. It is not literal Jerusalem. It is John who measures, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein."(Rev.11.1) Here we have a curious word, measure them that worship therein." This is the congregation in heavenly places, and tagged by 12x12= 144 is the volume of man blessed under 7 days of the covenant. Also note, "that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years."(2 Pet.3.8)
Holiness Part 2
Ok it is late; I will make this an outline.
Holiness is something that can only be present in a truly saved individual; of course that means fruits worthy of repentance. ( Matt. 3:8; Acts 26:20). It shows the reflection of the inner man through the authority of Christ; and also the outer actions which also are a reflection of what is truly within. Working on our salvation with fear and trembling ( Philippians 2:12) certainly is a good reference to how our work to grow in maturity corresponds to initial fear of the Lord which should continue as we mature out of our love and reverence to a Holy God. Many tend to seem to be numbed after their original conversion; while those who wish to grow in faith realize more and more their own hopeless state when struggling with the old nature along with Satan's endless accusations of the brethren.
Clearly we don't want titles that promote some man made heirarchy or even use Biblical terms such as Bishop or Pastor to make ourselves seem superior; ministry of men is to be in authority over women but doesn't make them more important; that is another illustration related to this concept. The best way I see it as I have said before is that someone who is truly shining as someone bringing in 100 fold results or shining like the sun stands out as unnerving; when I'm around people like that I want to run and hide. Again that is the same reaction we will have when being in the Lord's presence. I mentioned Daniel; Isaiah and John the Revelator before; we can't forget Saul of Tarsus and his conversion as well as Job's two rebukes from God after the long section showing "brotherly love" (not) from his so called friends. Job blamed God for what was Satan but we could argue he didn't know better; nonetheless the bargain Satan made in the beginning chapters ended up in a humiliating loss and Job was exalted even more after his trial as a righteous man albeit before the Atoning sacrifice of Christ.
Tonight among other things discussing 1 Peter we got into the subject of holiness in the lives of believers. Something in my mind which reminds me of Proverbs 27:2 where another is to praise you not yourself; I mentioned this to my dad in a letter from 2013.
Some of my thoughts are this; all saints are holy in some capacity. The fact that the Spirit resides in us of course has to be a reality as many are hypocritical and there are many tares among the wheat. I would say that holiness is both what 1 Peter describes in being "sober minded" as well as the overall growth of the "inner man".
Thinking of a friend of mine from a few years back; I could discern that indeed the Spirit was present in him; but he struggled with some obvious sins; which he was much more open and vocal about than most people I know. The advice therefore for someone who is as the Corinthians immature but still in the faith is as iron sharpening iron; exhortation and rebuke should be part of any deep friendship if we are truly concerned for our fellow believers welfare. Sometimes saying nothing and praying for the Spirit to convict is the best action in that case as well. Ultimately until we are certain someone is producing fruits worthy of repentance we can't spend all our time or go beyond what the Lord wills to try to "convince" someone.
Often lack of spiritual balance and a need to learn from others in the Body of Christ is in order. more in next posting
I thank everyone for the prayers; although there will be a struggle for some time. I am praying for wisdom and after consultation with a couple people there I am going to wait a couple more days before visiting him and perhaps bring my Aunt next week who lives not that far away; his only living relative in the area.
I got him a Bible today and by God's grace I located some classical music which contains a couple Tchaikovsky cassettes that he favors; some of the music I actually found discarded about 15 years ago or longer.
I will find out tomorrow about if I can put the house up for sale and (hopefully) get rid of some of dad's clutter; much of which is junked tools and electronics in the basement. He has a bunch of VCR's he can't use stacked in another room; etc. The Lord has blessed me with friends that can help me clean out and sell some stuff. I am praying for wisdom in attempting to help a brother if he finds favor staying in my house (he's an artist and needs some room); my plan is to go back at least next summer to Western PA and work as my school job is out then; and take a spring trip out there to talk to a Pastor and visit some old friends and hopefully do some evangelism around Spring Break. Once the house is sold I would probably get property out there; but also want to be open for other places or ministries wherever even overseas evangelism opportunities.
One of the topics I brought up in small group tonight was the balance between careful planning and relying on human wisdom. This was pertinent with getting my dad where he is today; and paperwork; etc. Dependance on the prayers of the saints and God's providential hand in allowing things to go forward in His timing takes both patience and hard work. Today a lady at small group brought up her dad's deathbed conversion.
Colossians 2:5 - For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
For though I am absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying, (more literally rejoicing) and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
Those are two military terms, "your order," and the word stedfastness. One means to be in an orderly arrangement or to be lined up properly like a military formation. And stedfastness is the solidity of the strength of that military force. And as far as the order goes, we see that in Chapter 3 Verse 18. He's going to set out the order of this life that we have in Christ.
Colossians 2:7 - Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
The King James says rooted. The word with the "ed" on the end is supposed to give you the sense that it's already happened. Of course that's the Perfect Tense, having been rooted. You have already been rooted in Christ. Once you've received Christ, He is deeply rooted.
Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Beware lest any man spoil you, and that's the word for rob, like a robbery. This word for philosophy is the only place in the NT that it's found. PHILEO means love, and SOPHOS means wisdom. It's the love of wisdom. You study knowledge in order to get wisdom.
Don't let anyone spoil or rob you through philosophy, and empty deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments (elements) of the world, and not after Christ. Some are very good at presenting scientific facts that they hook together, and they take the logical and reasonable elements of the world and make the presentation sound acceptable. But if it's not according to Christ, it's to be rejected.
Colossians 1:29 - Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working. The word striving is an athletic term, AGONIDZO. It's our word agony but it was used to describe what the athlete goes through. Paul says I'm laboring to the point of exhaustion, agonizing according to His energy, which is energizing in me in power.
What a verse! Paul always gave the credit to Christ. Christ is the one who is energizing in me. And I labor according to His energy which is energizing in me. No human effort. He says it's all the moving and compelling of God's Spirit that makes me do what I do.
Colossians 2:1 - For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
Paul says for I would that you knew what great conflict I have for you. The word conflict is the word AGONA. It's where we get our English word agony from. And it is an athletic term. When an athlete is told to get involved in the Agona, they're told to strive, or to push.
Paul says I am in this conflict just like an athlete. I have great conflict for you. Paul is in Rome, and he heard what's happening there in Colossae, and he's involved in a great battle with his own self in his heart for these believers.
Colossians 1:19 - For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
For it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell;
Notice I translated this with a definite article, all of (the) fullness, because the Gnostics believe that the fullness was who God is. That was their technical term for God, and this fullness sent out emanations from Him, different angels, and different "gods" to visit us. In Christ dwells all of the fullness of who God is.
Colossians 1:23 - If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
It sounds like its conditional. You can be reconciled, have the promise of this position before God in His representation of you, but if you don't continue.
This is the construction in Greek that is known as the First-Class Condition Assumed to be true. He's not saying if you continue on. He's saying since you are continuing in the faith, and listen to this: having been grounded and settled, and not being moved away. There's a lot right there, but basically having been grounded, every Christian that receives Christ has been grounded, and they continue on because of that.
Colossians 1:17 - And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is before all things. That's the word PROS, that means in time and importance. He is before all things. And in Him all things consist. The word consist means held together.
Here's what it is saying: In Christ, all things were created, visible and invisible, heaven and earth. All things were created in Him, and through Him, and for Him. Christ created all things. And He created them for Himself. You and I were created by Him for Him, not for us. You can see how far sin has pulled us away from God, and how much we are so self-centered because of sin, and that all day long, I'm living my life like I want to live my life.
I was created by Him, and I was created for Him and His purposes. And most of the day, I live my life not even realizing that He even exists. But that's the damage that sin has done. And He is before all things, time and importance. And in Him all things are being held together.
It's very interesting how the scientists say that because of the structure of the atom, all material things should just blow apart. They say that there's nothing to hold the atoms together. In fact, they are functioning in such a way that they should repel each other. And I find it interesting that scientists cannot explain what holds the atom together. I have even heard of them saying it is due to some sort of "atomic glue."
But in reality, the bible says that Christ is holding all things together. One day He's just going to let go and it will be all over. In Him, all things are held together. Hebrews 1:1-3 tells us that all the ages are being carried along by the word of God. God is propelling history!
Colossians 1:15 - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Christ, who is the image of the invisible God, and the word for image is the Greek word EIKON, and it's where we get our word icon from. And it means an exact likeness. It is used to describe what a person sees when they look into a mirror.
You think you're looking at yourself but that's not you. It's your likeness. It's an image. Or you see yourself in the reflection on the water. You're seeing your image. When we get into the book of Hebrews, there's a tremendous assortment of Greek words that talk about the very Spirit of God projecting Himself through the time space factor and taking up residency in the person of Jesus Christ.
Colossians 1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
For by Him, literally in Him, that's the preposition in. In Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, and that's lordships, or principalities, or authorities:
All things were created by Him, and that's the word through. In Greek, it is DIA with the Genitive. All things were created through Him, and for Him: that's EIS.
Just because I do not use Verses and scriptures of prayer request or informing how the pain hurts inside of me for my son. Yes! i PRAY and pray over, and over for my son to release himself to the great man up above. his addiction overwhelms him from all the promises that were let down, then again it might be an excise sorry. just because my son is struggling with his health, the system, as well as the drugs, it is not me. I am clean I just basically stay at home and jump when his in needs. I do not mean to enable my son, It saddens my heart that I am not able to write this all to you without you to not allow Prayers to be sent out. Sorry. I am a believer, but I have never faithfully committed myself for I lean to my son in prayer. can you understand. I do not know verses, nor scriptures and in fact I never knew what a testimony was and if I was doing that. so, I guess I too am a failure. You might reject me for writing this but at least the man above does not reject me. he keeps me pursuing help in prayers for my Child so to say. Never give up.