Salvation is only secured in Christ. The believer abides in Christ as a branch bearing fruits. His works are natural product of his faith. Faith without works is dead. Predestination is thus matching the calling of God (the book of life) with the book of the Lamb. Those who worship the beast lose their names in the book of the Lamb. "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
The Father does not judge anyone and has left it to the Son.
Predestination has the final word with Jesus Christ. " For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;"(Col.1:19-20)
The verse in Peter 1:10 you mentioned shows in a very obvious way that salvation is never secured. Otherwise there ix mo reason for that " make your calling and election sure" . So isn't salvation sure? If we don''t do all those things mentioned in the previous verses, no it is not. This is obviously against predestination the way some believe it. Because it shows that even if God had selected some for salvation, the final outcome depends on the individual, not God. Predestination implies secured salvation, otherwise it can not be applied.
The verse in Peter 1:10 you mentioned shows in a very obvious way that salvation is never secured. Otherwise there ix mo reason for that " make your calling and election sure" . So isn't salvation sure? If we don''t do all those things mentioned in the previous verses, no it is not. This is obviously against predestination the way some believe it. Because it shows that even if God had selected some for salvation, the final
outcome depends on the individual, not God. Predestination implies secured salvation, otherwise it can not be applied.
Hi Jesse: Oh! What a blessing and I'm sure God blessed your pastor and whoever gave your class those copies of the Texus Receptus.
I will finish this discussion soon but, unfortunately, I'm very fatigued so I am going to spend the day in my recliner crafting rather then sitting at my desk. But praise the Lord for a beautiful day and with my recliner and the touch of the Lord I should be okay for tomorrow. This fatigue doesn't usually last more then a day, praise the Lord. I would like to ask you, have you found a conflict between the Creek and the KJB? If so please tell me what it is. Talk to you tomorrow. God Bless :)
"And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand." Here we have the poster boy for heresies so the doctrine that Elymas peddled was to make Saul/Paul's preaching in vain. The imposter churches in our times are reeking with such poor specimens as false teachers. They deny the power of God and make his holiness as in vain. They divide congregation on ethnic lines and sustain culture wars fought in the secular world as part of White Evangelical Right and so on. So Paul calls him out, "O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?" The right ways of the Lord is created in 'our image' and 'after our likeness', so the third beast before the throne of heaven, is the steward over his creation.The last Adam is after the likeness of the firstborn of all creation. The Command number Three also makes third beast as was intended.
What St Paul binds on earth is bound in heaven as well. When he said, "Thou shalt be blind' it happened. God's promises are yea in him. It owes to the Word was God. "Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord." The doctrine of God is what the memorials in heaven attest.
"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him" (Re.4:8). The golden lamp stand with seven branches in the inaugural vision of St John represents Christ in the middle with three branches on either side. Each beast is thus 'after the likeness' of Christ.
This is the doctrine of the Lord we represnt. "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."(Re.2:5)
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"
"Ye shall never fail" this certainty of a believer called to be saint is because the foundation of God stands sure. "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."(2 Ti.2:19) The seal is the blood of Jesus. The slain Lamb before the throne signifies it. He is worthy because his atonement covered the calling of the elect.. (He)"hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof, tells " he overcame the world. (Re.5:5; John 16:33). Faith is what the elect requires. St Peter exhorts them to show qualities of being built up on his foundation. Diligence, as the Spirit instructs us a virtue the ants witness. "Consider its ways' (Pr.6:6). Of the four beasts the lion represents them; the eagle represents the quality of faith and hope. "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."(Col.3:2). Third beast is the last Adam. Second beast has face of a calf, reflecting the stewardship of Adam who as Jesus said, "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."(Matt.20:28). In short virtues required for the elect are memorials in heaven, and as the key verse informs, "For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.". Without fully understanding predestination as set, a testimony in heaven and without works in his Son what are these half-baked Christians?. It is on one of such St Peter said, " Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God." (Ac.8:18-21) They want it both ways. Oh no God is not mocked by excuse of being ignorant. (Ro.1:18-21)
Dear Wendy , it doesn't sound to me as if this man is commited to you in a romantic way . Maybe he just sees you as a friend . I think maybe you need to try to put him out of your heart and move on . It's not easy I know , when you have invested so much of your time and energy into a relationship it can be very hard to let it go . You have to put yourself first because no one else will . You have to protect and preserve yourself . People come and go in and out of our lives , it's not a stable world that we live in and we cannot control the behaviour of others . We can however do our best to control ourselves with God's help . What have you learned from your relationship with this man ? Whatever it was , don't forget the lesson . Move on . Put more effort in your relationships with your God and your Saviour , build on that strong foundation , read your Bible , say your prayers and find a good church . Maybe in time God will bring the right man to you but don't be in a rush . Get closer to God and Jesus before you think of getting entangled romantically again . Life is change and we humans don't always like change . God and Jesus don't change . They are steadfast in their judgements and guidance and love and caring ways towards us , put yourself totally into their hands and wait patiently . You may end up without a partner but you will never ever be without a best friend .
As soon as the Lamb takes the book the body of four and twenty elders and he four beasst worship him, "Saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;/And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Here we have the predestination established in heave. Thus judgment is set and books were opened. This is in the "now" of divine Will. The book of life and book of the Lamb are already matched where the works of those judged are 'closed' as the man in the linen tells Daniel, "And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?/ And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end./ Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." (Dan.12:8-10)
Predestination is the prerogative of God and it is the body of the church where four and twenty elders (8x3=24) tells us of the Gospel of God and that of Christ. In the white throne judgment those who are judged are according to their response to it. What occurs according to the breaking of seal are on earth.
Israel was called but they are cast off because they did not gather with the Man who was sent. "For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."(Matt.25:29).
"A book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."
The book written within and on the back-side is transcribed having a body and are set before the throne. First we have this quote from St Paul. "Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men/Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart" (2 Co.3:2-3). St Paul writes of believers as 'our epistles written not with ink," What does the body of the four beast represent? They are memorial to the body of the church and the Gospel of God and of Christ. "were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." They represent the Gospel of God as the world unseen and the gospel of Christ as 'the works' or fulfilment of the work of God. What is the work of God? Jesus explained it, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."( John 5:28-29). In the white throne of Judgment. "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."(Re.20:12)
The four beast are memorial and the Spirit instructs us what the body of man formed from the ground signify. As a living soul his faculty to know and understand the truth is like the book written on the backside. Eyes behind the backside refers to his inner life where "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly."(Pr.20:27) Eyes before is how he ought to interact with the world. They are represented in the Lamb which is worthy to break open the seals. "and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." The spirit of Christ is already sent out and the the word become flesh shall manifest in due time.
The book with seven seals however holds another significance clue to which salvation or redemption of bodies has bearing. The risen Christ has the message for the church of Philadelphia, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;" (Re.3:7) Note it is addressed to the angel which is already set in his right hand."The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:" (Re.1:20)
These seven stars are of same significance as the same value the seven seals hold. They are under the authority of Jesus Christ who figures as the Ancient of days. Days refer to day of salvation as well as day of regeneration,
In this context consider the saying of Jesus."Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."(Matt.18:18). The great commission spells it out in Matt.28:20. "His authority to break open the seven seals empower the disciples to be set down on twelve thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel. It is thus when Christ comes in his glory with holy angels the saints shall meet the Lord in mid-air. They are compared to eagles. (Is.40:31). The same eagle motif we find as memorial before the throne. The four beasts where the beast with the face of man is last Adam. "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him./ And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."(Dan.7:13-14)
"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."
In order to consider the nature and significance of Regeneration we shall begin with the word of God. The book represents just that. God framed the worlds with the word to which the book refers. (He.11:3). In the night vision of Daniel we are told it opened. "the judgment was set, and the books were opened."(Dan.7:10). The book of life and the book of the Lamb are to match. Daniel's night vision does not indicate any action taken on them. Instead in Revelation we have the white throne judgment. This throne is not the fiery throne where the Ancient of days sat. "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." (Re.20:12) So much so for the books opened.
The book with seven seals however holds another significance clue to which salvation or redemption of bodies has bearing. The risen Christ has the message for the church of Philadelphia, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;" (Re.3:7) Note it is addressed to the angel which is already set in his right hand."The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:" (Re.1:20)
These seven stars are of same significance as the same value the seven seals hold. They are under the authority of Jesus Christ who figures as the Ancient of days. Days refer to day of salvation as well as day of regeneration,
Hello, I have been treated very badly by someone. His name is David & he was very cruel to me. He has left me with a broken heart after 7yrs & he does not appreciate me as the good person that I really am. I believe God put him into my life for a reason as he had similar problems that I have but his were much worse & he could very a very mean person at times & especially when he was drinking as he was an alcoholic. I gave him all of me. I was very giving. Always giving him the best gifts that he would like on his birthday. Always trying to be there for him in the best way I could & then he suddenly started talking to another woman who was only using him the whole time. Although he still tried to call me, I was too angry to answer so we did not talk for a long time until recently. Now that has ended with her, he is already talking to another woman who I know is bad for him. She just lost her husband, but she started talking to David well before he died. Which makes me wonder if she ever cared anything about her husband at all. She seems to want David to automatically assume the role of a boyfriend & father figure to her son & has turned him against me out of her own jealousy. Now he is completely cruel to me. I cry inside every day wondering what I ever did so wrong. I am so very hurt by David & also Renee. I have seen quite a few nasty posts on her Facebook profile that I know were relating to me. I would like to request a prayer for justice in my situation & that David wakes up & realizes just how Renee really is & will finally apologize to me the way he should have long ago. I want to heal my heart & this has really been bringing me down so very much. Thanks so much in advance, take care & God Bless!!:-)
Thanks for continuing on with this discussion. I was taught how to read Koine Greek and was given a copy of the Textus Receptus (Greek New Testament) during one of our class studies. We had 20 plus people in the class and the pastor who was teaching the class handed everyone in the room a copy to keep.
To this day, I do not know who purchased all those copies for the entire class. It wasn't the pastor. He told us that someone had purchased them for the entire class but the person wished to remain anonymous. I can sincerely say that what I learned in that class was a true blessing. I do refer to the Greek text quite a bit during my NT studies. It is just my personal choice to do so. That is the text I was referring to.
Personally, I wish it was a requirement for every person going into the ministry to master Biblical Greek before being ordained into the ministry. I don't think that we in the body of Christ would be in such a mess if that were the case.
As I'm sure you know, the New Testament was originally written in Greek. Praise God for that! Since the New Testament is mainly doctrine and teaching, I think it had to be an exact language, and with Greek being such an exact language, I don't think it could have been any other way!
Thank you for taking the time to read through my lengthy post. I have read through what you sent to me but I am struggling to see how this adds to or fits with what I presented concerning predestination? Am I missing something here?
I have been reading your posts over the past week, and your response to my message on predestination seems to fit more closely with the things you have been sharing over the past week than they do with what I just posted about predestination, especially with the verses you have provided. Again, maybe I missing something?
Concerning salvation, what are your thoughts on predestination? Does God "predetermine" who will receive eternal salvation and who will receive eternal condemnation?
What a great analogy! The inheritance is what has been predetermined for those who receive Christ. For those who reject Him, their fate has also been predetermined. It is man who chooses to receive or reject the things of God. Romans 9:11 (which you have shared) is a great verse. Thanks for that one. It says (For the children being not yet born). So, they hadn't even been born yet. But secondly, we notice what it says: Neither having done any good or evil.
And then thirdly, the purpose: The reason why God made His choice between Jacob and Esau, before they were born (without them having done good or evil), it is so that the purpose of God could be according to election (His choice), and it might stand, not of works, but of the one who calls;
So, it didn't have anything to do with Jacob and Esau as to who they were, what kind of people they were, whether they were good or evil, it had nothing to do with works or with man. It had to do with God's choice.
I agree in every respect, brother. Especially when it comes to judgment. I have to wonder why, if God has already predestined everyone, what would be the purpose of sharing the gospel message of salvation? And why even send missionaries out?
People talk about the Great Commission and how we need to reach the world for Christ. Why so, if it isn't going to make any difference for those who have already predestined to spend eternity in Hell?
If it is God's will that no one should perish but that all would come to repentance ( 2 Peter 3:9), it would be difficult to connect all this together as to why God would already predetermine ahead of time who will be saved and who will be lost!
Hey Jesse: I'm about ready to respond with all parts of this posting except I need you to clarify something for me. What do you mean by the Creek Text you can read? It is the text that is part of the original writings? I don't doubt you, I just need to understand what you mean. God Bless :)
Heavenly Father, I come before You with gratitude for my job at Tyler Technologies and the opportunity to provide for my family. I humbly ask for stability and security in my role as an Implementation Specialist. I am struggling to learn everything and hope my manager doesn't fear this about me. With my years of experience in implementations, please vindicate me and give me grace, wisdom, and intelligence to perform excellently. Grant me a breakthrough in mastering my responsibilities, favor with my colleagues, mentor, and manager, and a sense of belonging within my team and company. Help everyone notice my efforts and have my back. In Jesus' name, I pray, Amen.
There is a lot I'd like to say; not sure how edifying my usual longwinded comment will be in your case....
I would tend to think that the security and comfort of knowing that the Lord is working to bring good and pleasant things in your life is something as humans we all desire. Fear of course can result; especially when situations SEEM not to have any possible outcome in that regard. The Lord will require of His saints suffering as His Word clearly states; along with persecution. It is ONLY in His strength that we are able to overcome fear and cowardice (I'm talking to myself here as well). So often we think that kindness of other humans is the best indicator of our own godliness but in truth we are supposed to bless those who despitefully USE us (I'll let you find the verse). We are blessed because we are worthy of suffering for His Name's sake.
The Lord promises more of the Holy Spirit for those who ask Him in regard to good gifts ( Luke 11:13). Blessing brings POWER and the fear of the Lord falls on others; as John 16:8 demonstrates in the operation of the Holy Spirit. You are dangerous to the kingdom of darkness when truly full of the Spirit and will have impact in reaching the lost fulfilling the Great Commission drawing men to the Lord.
Charles Wesley Naylor wrote on the winning side:
Here are the lyrics
Once I drifted out in sin, had no hope nor joy within,
And my soul was brurdened down with pride;
Then my Savior came along and he showed me I was wrong and
Now I know I'm on the winning side
From the straight and narrow wayi was drifting every day,
Out upon the waters deep and wide;
But it all is over now, glory light is on my brow,
And my soul is on the winning side
I will never have a fear, for my Lord is ever near,
And in him so often I confide;
He's the keeper of my soul since I gave him full control,
I Need Prayer. In Jesus Christ Name I Have neuropathy, Diabetes, Fibromyalgia ,Tarsal tunnel syndrome Plantar Fasciitis.... Prayer, In The Name of Jesus Christ. Amen
Salvation is only secured in Christ. The believer abides in Christ as a branch bearing fruits. His works are natural product of his faith. Faith without works is dead. Predestination is thus matching the calling of God (the book of life) with the book of the Lamb. Those who worship the beast lose their names in the book of the Lamb. "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
The Father does not judge anyone and has left it to the Son.
Predestination has the final word with Jesus Christ. " For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;"(Col.1:19-20)
The verse in Peter 1:10 you mentioned shows in a very obvious way that salvation is never secured. Otherwise there ix mo reason for that " make your calling and election sure" . So isn't salvation sure? If we don''t do all those things mentioned in the previous verses, no it is not. This is obviously against predestination the way some believe it. Because it shows that even if God had selected some for salvation, the final outcome depends on the individual, not God. Predestination implies secured salvation, otherwise it can not be applied.
The verse in Peter 1:10 you mentioned shows in a very obvious way that salvation is never secured. Otherwise there ix mo reason for that " make your calling and election sure" . So isn't salvation sure? If we don''t do all those things mentioned in the previous verses, no it is not. This is obviously against predestination the way some believe it. Because it shows that even if God had selected some for salvation, the final
outcome depends on the individual, not God. Predestination implies secured salvation, otherwise it can not be applied.
I will finish this discussion soon but, unfortunately, I'm very fatigued so I am going to spend the day in my recliner crafting rather then sitting at my desk. But praise the Lord for a beautiful day and with my recliner and the touch of the Lord I should be okay for tomorrow. This fatigue doesn't usually last more then a day, praise the Lord. I would like to ask you, have you found a conflict between the Creek and the KJB? If so please tell me what it is. Talk to you tomorrow. God Bless :)
"And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand." Here we have the poster boy for heresies so the doctrine that Elymas peddled was to make Saul/Paul's preaching in vain. The imposter churches in our times are reeking with such poor specimens as false teachers. They deny the power of God and make his holiness as in vain. They divide congregation on ethnic lines and sustain culture wars fought in the secular world as part of White Evangelical Right and so on. So Paul calls him out, "O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?" The right ways of the Lord is created in 'our image' and 'after our likeness', so the third beast before the throne of heaven, is the steward over his creation.The last Adam is after the likeness of the firstborn of all creation. The Command number Three also makes third beast as was intended.
What St Paul binds on earth is bound in heaven as well. When he said, "Thou shalt be blind' it happened. God's promises are yea in him. It owes to the Word was God. "Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord." The doctrine of God is what the memorials in heaven attest.
"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him" (Re.4:8). The golden lamp stand with seven branches in the inaugural vision of St John represents Christ in the middle with three branches on either side. Each beast is thus 'after the likeness' of Christ.
This is the doctrine of the Lord we represnt. "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."(Re.2:5)
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"
"Ye shall never fail" this certainty of a believer called to be saint is because the foundation of God stands sure. "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."(2 Ti.2:19) The seal is the blood of Jesus. The slain Lamb before the throne signifies it. He is worthy because his atonement covered the calling of the elect.. (He)"hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof, tells " he overcame the world. (Re.5:5; John 16:33). Faith is what the elect requires. St Peter exhorts them to show qualities of being built up on his foundation. Diligence, as the Spirit instructs us a virtue the ants witness. "Consider its ways' (Pr.6:6). Of the four beasts the lion represents them; the eagle represents the quality of faith and hope. "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."(Col.3:2). Third beast is the last Adam. Second beast has face of a calf, reflecting the stewardship of Adam who as Jesus said, "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."(Matt.20:28). In short virtues required for the elect are memorials in heaven, and as the key verse informs, "For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.". Without fully understanding predestination as set, a testimony in heaven and without works in his Son what are these half-baked Christians?. It is on one of such St Peter said, " Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God." (Ac.8:18-21) They want it both ways. Oh no God is not mocked by excuse of being ignorant. (Ro.1:18-21)
As soon as the Lamb takes the book the body of four and twenty elders and he four beasst worship him, "Saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;/And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Here we have the predestination established in heave. Thus judgment is set and books were opened. This is in the "now" of divine Will. The book of life and book of the Lamb are already matched where the works of those judged are 'closed' as the man in the linen tells Daniel, "And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?/ And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end./ Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." (Dan.12:8-10)
Predestination is the prerogative of God and it is the body of the church where four and twenty elders (8x3=24) tells us of the Gospel of God and that of Christ. In the white throne judgment those who are judged are according to their response to it. What occurs according to the breaking of seal are on earth.
Israel was called but they are cast off because they did not gather with the Man who was sent. "For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."(Matt.25:29).
"A book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."
The book written within and on the back-side is transcribed having a body and are set before the throne. First we have this quote from St Paul. "Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men/Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart" (2 Co.3:2-3). St Paul writes of believers as 'our epistles written not with ink," What does the body of the four beast represent? They are memorial to the body of the church and the Gospel of God and of Christ. "were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." They represent the Gospel of God as the world unseen and the gospel of Christ as 'the works' or fulfilment of the work of God. What is the work of God? Jesus explained it, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."( John 5:28-29). In the white throne of Judgment. "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."(Re.20:12)
The four beast are memorial and the Spirit instructs us what the body of man formed from the ground signify. As a living soul his faculty to know and understand the truth is like the book written on the backside. Eyes behind the backside refers to his inner life where "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly."(Pr.20:27) Eyes before is how he ought to interact with the world. They are represented in the Lamb which is worthy to break open the seals. "and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." The spirit of Christ is already sent out and the the word become flesh shall manifest in due time.
The book with seven seals however holds another significance clue to which salvation or redemption of bodies has bearing. The risen Christ has the message for the church of Philadelphia, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;" (Re.3:7) Note it is addressed to the angel which is already set in his right hand."The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:" (Re.1:20)
These seven stars are of same significance as the same value the seven seals hold. They are under the authority of Jesus Christ who figures as the Ancient of days. Days refer to day of salvation as well as day of regeneration,
In this context consider the saying of Jesus."Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."(Matt.18:18). The great commission spells it out in Matt.28:20. "His authority to break open the seven seals empower the disciples to be set down on twelve thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel. It is thus when Christ comes in his glory with holy angels the saints shall meet the Lord in mid-air. They are compared to eagles. (Is.40:31). The same eagle motif we find as memorial before the throne. The four beasts where the beast with the face of man is last Adam. "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him./ And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."(Dan.7:13-14)
"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."
In order to consider the nature and significance of Regeneration we shall begin with the word of God. The book represents just that. God framed the worlds with the word to which the book refers. (He.11:3). In the night vision of Daniel we are told it opened. "the judgment was set, and the books were opened."(Dan.7:10). The book of life and the book of the Lamb are to match. Daniel's night vision does not indicate any action taken on them. Instead in Revelation we have the white throne judgment. This throne is not the fiery throne where the Ancient of days sat. "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." (Re.20:12) So much so for the books opened.
The book with seven seals however holds another significance clue to which salvation or redemption of bodies has bearing. The risen Christ has the message for the church of Philadelphia, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;" (Re.3:7) Note it is addressed to the angel which is already set in his right hand."The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:" (Re.1:20)
These seven stars are of same significance as the same value the seven seals hold. They are under the authority of Jesus Christ who figures as the Ancient of days. Days refer to day of salvation as well as day of regeneration,
No money
No joy
No fulfillment
No dates
No romance
No life
No relationships with relatives
We are depressed together , sad and hopeless and lonely every day
God fix us and our situation for the better soon, please
Restore
Rejuvenate
Fulfill
Provide
Prosper
Romance
Grant Time
Freedom
Love
Joy
Hope
Fun
Healing
Health
Protection
Big families
In Jesus Name Amen.
Thanks for continuing on with this discussion. I was taught how to read Koine Greek and was given a copy of the Textus Receptus (Greek New Testament) during one of our class studies. We had 20 plus people in the class and the pastor who was teaching the class handed everyone in the room a copy to keep.
To this day, I do not know who purchased all those copies for the entire class. It wasn't the pastor. He told us that someone had purchased them for the entire class but the person wished to remain anonymous. I can sincerely say that what I learned in that class was a true blessing. I do refer to the Greek text quite a bit during my NT studies. It is just my personal choice to do so. That is the text I was referring to.
Personally, I wish it was a requirement for every person going into the ministry to master Biblical Greek before being ordained into the ministry. I don't think that we in the body of Christ would be in such a mess if that were the case.
As I'm sure you know, the New Testament was originally written in Greek. Praise God for that! Since the New Testament is mainly doctrine and teaching, I think it had to be an exact language, and with Greek being such an exact language, I don't think it could have been any other way!
May God continue to bless you also!
Thank you for taking the time to read through my lengthy post. I have read through what you sent to me but I am struggling to see how this adds to or fits with what I presented concerning predestination? Am I missing something here?
I have been reading your posts over the past week, and your response to my message on predestination seems to fit more closely with the things you have been sharing over the past week than they do with what I just posted about predestination, especially with the verses you have provided. Again, maybe I missing something?
Concerning salvation, what are your thoughts on predestination? Does God "predetermine" who will receive eternal salvation and who will receive eternal condemnation?
Thanks again, and blessings to you in Christ!
What a great analogy! The inheritance is what has been predetermined for those who receive Christ. For those who reject Him, their fate has also been predetermined. It is man who chooses to receive or reject the things of God. Romans 9:11 (which you have shared) is a great verse. Thanks for that one. It says (For the children being not yet born). So, they hadn't even been born yet. But secondly, we notice what it says: Neither having done any good or evil.
And then thirdly, the purpose: The reason why God made His choice between Jacob and Esau, before they were born (without them having done good or evil), it is so that the purpose of God could be according to election (His choice), and it might stand, not of works, but of the one who calls;
So, it didn't have anything to do with Jacob and Esau as to who they were, what kind of people they were, whether they were good or evil, it had nothing to do with works or with man. It had to do with God's choice.
Blessings to you also!
I agree in every respect, brother. Especially when it comes to judgment. I have to wonder why, if God has already predestined everyone, what would be the purpose of sharing the gospel message of salvation? And why even send missionaries out?
People talk about the Great Commission and how we need to reach the world for Christ. Why so, if it isn't going to make any difference for those who have already predestined to spend eternity in Hell?
If it is God's will that no one should perish but that all would come to repentance ( 2 Peter 3:9), it would be difficult to connect all this together as to why God would already predetermine ahead of time who will be saved and who will be lost!
God Bless!!!
I would tend to think that the security and comfort of knowing that the Lord is working to bring good and pleasant things in your life is something as humans we all desire. Fear of course can result; especially when situations SEEM not to have any possible outcome in that regard. The Lord will require of His saints suffering as His Word clearly states; along with persecution. It is ONLY in His strength that we are able to overcome fear and cowardice (I'm talking to myself here as well). So often we think that kindness of other humans is the best indicator of our own godliness but in truth we are supposed to bless those who despitefully USE us (I'll let you find the verse). We are blessed because we are worthy of suffering for His Name's sake.
The Lord promises more of the Holy Spirit for those who ask Him in regard to good gifts ( Luke 11:13). Blessing brings POWER and the fear of the Lord falls on others; as John 16:8 demonstrates in the operation of the Holy Spirit. You are dangerous to the kingdom of darkness when truly full of the Spirit and will have impact in reaching the lost fulfilling the Great Commission drawing men to the Lord.
Charles Wesley Naylor wrote on the winning side:
Here are the lyrics
Once I drifted out in sin, had no hope nor joy within,
And my soul was brurdened down with pride;
Then my Savior came along and he showed me I was wrong and
Now I know I'm on the winning side
From the straight and narrow wayi was drifting every day,
Out upon the waters deep and wide;
But it all is over now, glory light is on my brow,
And my soul is on the winning side
I will never have a fear, for my Lord is ever near,
And in him so often I confide;
He's the keeper of my soul since I gave him full control,
And he placed me on the winning side
Chorus-
I'm on the winning side,yes
(may have been cut short-hope this helps!!)
Agape. RIch
Do all you can with patience to hold on to your marriage.
If you haven't already, turn to God for a life in the Lord.
Seek God with all your heart and in prayer.
A relationship with the Lord is the most important thing for anyone and any couple.
So, don't just do it for your marriage. Do it for that relationship and pray God works things out.
God bless you.