Lord Jesus please increase our protection, grant breakthrough (healing, deliverance, salvation) and to walk in your authority and power and live lives pleasing to you and spreading the good news. Asking for us and all in need. Also please help me with these conflicts. Please turn them into blessings. Keep me from saying the wrong thing. Thank you.
The number is the church, the body of Christ, the holy city of God. Length breadth and height are equal. Twelve thousand furlongs. (Re.21:16-17) Don't use furlongs as we measure here. "according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.". This is what each saint measures in Christ. How many shall fit in the city? Think of spiritual bodies, each saint is in Christ and in his glory shall fill? The Spirit used a tag to indicate the body, that is all. ,
The heavens stretched as a curtain from end to end, each circle is the heart of man. He is in the secret place, and it the shadow of the Almighty. May we learn to put our trust under the shadow of thy wings. In.vv.5-6 we read His righteousness like the giant eagle wing cover us. They are great mountains that we can never attain. His depths are past understanding, "Thy mercy, O Lord, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds./Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O Lord, thou preservest man and beast."
"And thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures" here we have the river of time flowing from his throne till the throne of the Lamb in eternity.
Thy pleasures refer to his mercy of which we read thus, " It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not./They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness."(Lam.3:22-23)
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."
This light is the true Light, which is the life of men. Make us see evermore thy glory which is from everlasting to everlasting.
Our prayer is to behold this face "the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" daily as we live our lives in sickness, in labor and at workplace, in our daily lives let it give understanding to worship you. (Ps.19:1-2; 2 Co.4:6) Amen
I answered Tidianne. The significance is in line with many other instances in the Bible w.r.t the Gospel of GodIf you read my answer you may perhaps get it. As I said earlier "John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." I said my piece and I rest.
If the 12 tribes are still around and truly under the Law of Moses do they need to be have numbered?
End quote
Bennymkje, they are numbered in Revelation so there won't be no mistake who John is identifying.
You asked, Isn't circumcision is a sign for them? As with Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel so many number of Christians from the left out church redeem themselves.
Yes, circumcision is a sign for them.
But, Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel has nothing to do with them showing up in Revelation.
The message is the sacrifice by faith.
As for the tribes being lost
in James 1:1 it seems they are not lost, nor were they ever lost.
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
However Bennymkje, neither of these topics answers Tdianne's question.
"Where does it says no one but the 144,000 goes to Heaven.
In the vision St John heard the number. Did he hear with his physical ears or with the ear of faith? If it is the former the verses aforementioned would need correction. "I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." God gives the revelation of Jesus Christ through his angel. It cannot be to give any news of the physical earth and gossip about who shall make the list or who shall not. God has already recorded their names and the Book of the Lamb has names as well. So 'the servants of our God' ought to be from the latter book.
The number 4 repeated refers to the word of God, which is the basis for the everlasting covenant. The last line puzzles me, "Do you have moderators in which you and Chris are members? Or are you moderate it to suit the denomination you represent?
If the 12 tribes are still around and truly under the Law of Moses do they need to be have numbered? Isn't circumcision is a sign for them? As with Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel so many number of Christians from the left out church redeem themselves. It is what baptism for the dead would signify. It was first shown by Jesus Christ.. The first fruits standing with Jesus have the name of the Father in their foreheads."Re.14:1)
This info from wikipedia may be of some interest to you. "After 70 years, many of the captives of Judah returned to Jerusalem and rebuilt the city. Because of this and their renewed diligence in keeping God's Sabbath, their history continued. However, the northern 10 tribes largely disappeared from history."
I am a over thinker myself.I am in the same situation brother.I will pray for you.Just pray and stay in the word.Please pray for me also..Bless you bro.
The group you have here in Revelation 7:2-8 is 12000 Jews out of each of the 12 tribes of Israel as mentioned in vs 4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
And the tribes are listed and divided in the following verses.
This group is sealed by God in will be on earth serving during the tribulation period. The Church would have already been raptured.
Tdianne you won't find in the Bible where it says "only 144,000 people are going to heaven" because it's not in the Bible!
This is the Jehovah Witness beliefs.
The Jehovah's Witnesses started in 1870 by Charles Taze Russell.
In the beginning it was just a few of them and they claimed that only a 144,000 go to heaven and the rest would inherit the Earth.
The problem is they have outgrown the number, now it's millions of them.
They believe they are the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation and they were sealed to preach the Kingdom has come.
I hope that helps.
If you have anymore questions on this group let us know.
"I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help." (Ps.121:1)
Compare with the Ps.91:1-2 "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty./ I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust." The fortress the shelter for any saint is the shadow of the Almighty. Think of the wings replaced by hills casting this shadow. What are these? One is Zion and the other Eden, the holy mountain of God. (Is.28:16;Ez.28:14)
"Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth."(Is.40:26)
The Spirit uses numbers for specific purposes. God is a Spirit and in order to translate His purpose for man the number 144,000 is made up of 12x12x1000. You shall see multiples of 12 which is the command number for the Gospel of God. 120 (12x10) indicates a man life based on the word of God. "yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(Ge.6:3).
Jesus chose 12 disciples.
In order to indicate the end times the Spirit sets multiple of 1000 instead. So the number refers to the body of church set apart redeemed by the word of God. In most instances it has nothing to do with numerical value we associate with number.
If you want to reduce the number 12 further (4x3) it shows the number Four which tells the word of God is the same in all cardinal directions. Three is the command number for the Son.
Hello Tdianne. The 144,000 you read about, is found in Revelation 7:2-8 (the sealing of God's servants & their origin) and Revelation 14:1-5 (these who were "the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb" (v4)).
When we come to this Book of the Revelation, there will always be many opinions about the people, events, & timing of their appearance, since much of Revelation is still future. But if we go by what we have been given in these passages, we note that this great number of people are from the twelve tribes of Israel, they are God's servants, undefiled, and they stand with Jesus on Mt. Zion (alluding to Jesus' Second Coming to rule upon the Earth).
These were redeemed as first fruits among men, and yet in Revelation 7:9, John the Revelator sees 'a great multitude without number from all nations also standing before God's Throne & before the Lamb, worshipping God'. So it seems clear that the 144,000 are distinct as those from the tribes of Israel, and there are also those of the Gentile nations, all whom will stand with Jesus in Jerusalem in that coming day. Whether any part of these passages indicate that there is also worship by these in Heaven (& then on Earth), or the specific timing of when these Jews are sealed by God or do His bidding on Earth, are all open to conjecture as what John sees, he brings to us. What John hasn't been told (or shown), would leave both him & us in ignorance to all the specifics. And so we read what we've been given & we should allow the Holy Spirit to guide & comfort our hearts in both the known & unknown.
I will continue to pray for Nathan and for his mom. May he get all the support, treatment, and nurture he needs during this panful, difficult, and life-changing situation.
I hope you can find the second and third part to my post. I thought I had finally figured out how to send them together but I guess I need more practice. God Bless :)
Hey Jesse: How are you? I'm glad you are enjoying this discussion. It really encourages me to study even more. Recliners are indeed a wonderful invention. You made me laugh when you said maybe a lazy person invented it. :) I have to admit I would love to do a study with you comparing the KJB to the Texus Receptus, but it's a lot for me to ask, even though you volunteered, so I'll leave it up to you.
YOU: I believe the ancient writings of scripture are completely free from error." However, the KJB or any other English translation or version are not the ancient writings, and there is no perfect English translation/version.
ME: I'm sorry I made the wrong assumption about the original writings. I thought when you first said you didn't believe God wrote the bible you meant all the writings from the beginning. So sorry.
ME: If God didn't write one true version of His word for us to have then who did?
YOU: We do have God's perfect word in the original languages. It's through various English translations (including the KJB) where we run into problems.
ME: The Holy Ghost wrote the KJB inspiring the men who authored it. If not, then I guess the authors were just doing their best to write what they thought the original languages were saying and we just have to accept what they decided to write. But why should we? If the Holy Spirit kept the original writings pure why did He do that if they weren't going to be used any more? Why just let them fade into obscurity instead of using them so we have a pure English version for mankind? English is the second most spoken language in the world.
ME: How do we know right from wrong if we can't trust what is written? YOU: Is it the bible that teaches us right from wrong, or is it God's Spirit that convicts a person (both believer and non-believer) of what's right and what's wrong?
ME: Both. Man's conscience does convict him of right and wrong but that's not enough for him to come to salvation. Man, if he has a sense of what he is doing is wrong but enjoys it and doesn't want to quit he isn't going to. But then again, maybe his conscience is bothering him enough he looks to God for help and what God says about what is troubling him. I just hope he uses the KJB.
YOU: If the KJB is used as the source to compare all other bibles for truth, what do you use to check the KJB for accuracy and, I must ask you, what manuscripts did God use? ME: The original writings that the Holy Ghost had kept pure: the Masochistic text and the Texus Receptus.
ME: Why if they loved God and respected His word would they do what they did and now there are those of you who don't even believe God wrote a word of truth for us. I know for myself I wouldn't be able to get along without the supernatural word of God as a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. YOU: You speak of "those of you who don't even believe God wrote a word of truth for us?"
ME: I'm so sorry, I wasn't thinking of you or anyone on this site, I was thinking of my X pastor, although my wording is wrong. Sorry.
YOU: If you believe that God wrote the KJB, who wrote the bible/s that was/were already in existence before 1611? Also, if God did write the KJB, which version of the KJB did He write? Was it the original 1611 because there have been several revisions to the 1611? ME: God chose the final version of the KJB that was produced because that is the one He wanted. I don't know why He allowed grammatical errors in the first one. Perhaps to test our faith in His word.
YOU: Would it be wrong of me to mark through a word in the KJB and replace it with the word the Greek text uses?
ME: If the KJB differs from the Creek I hope you will do that study with me. As for marking out words, I kind of think that's between you and the Lord. The Lord knows 99% of us can't read the Masochistic text or the Texus Receptus but He knew we would need an English version since English is the second most spoken language in the world so He gave use a translation we can trust and it was trusted for centuries until some men, like in the story I'm posting next, thought we needed one written in modern English. I believe you said you use the KJB mostly, so I guess I'm kind of preaching to the Choir except you believe it wasn't written by God, you don't believe we have a bible we can trust to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, is that right? The authors used the manuscripts accepted by God not the ones rejected by the Church fathers. I think I answered all your questions. If I missed one, please let me know.
Am trying to assess the next 30 days as to what happens; there are two appointments very important my mom should physically get to; if that doesn't happen I will have to get out of here and discuss things with the other relative on the G Power of Attorney as they both have issues that make staying here difficult. My mom's hernia can perhaps be helped if she actually goes to the local chiropractor which she has delayed now a couple weeks in her self attempt to have enough air to have the energy to get to the car with an afternoon appointment. She had a telephone doctor call with her cardio and missed her regular chiro appt (although this new person could probably do all the stuff the other doctor did as well). She has a regular doctor appt near the end of July again that is vital.
Went through a friend of mine after she seemed like she was from her own admission ready to find a home health care person. Got hollered at after I told her I would call this person and she actually planned to stop by; but her proselytizing is what turned her off. She keeps asking me what it is that I don't feel that I want to help her with in regard to errands; since her health is my primary concern and dealing with my dad's dementia; that is my real worry.
I did find a nice place to stay out of town and the man is amenable if I stay there long term very cheaply for an extended time.
It is obvious the reaction I will get from my mom if I get my cousin involved but I can't see any other option; am still hoping she will actually get to this chiropractor and that he can actually help her; if so she needs to be at a normal weight. For now her blood pressure was a bit low but doesn't seem to be a huge issue for now. With my dad's age though it overwhelms her. If I do go away I will be close enough to make a trip home once a week until they get someone; my mom knows someone who she met as a health care aid but she probably needs to be in a facility. Thanks for prayer.
My prayers are with you, I know what you are facing, I took care of my mother who had dementia, for 8 years. I do not know what stage your father is in but there are many. May God give you the strength to travel this road that will not be easy, and may He send you help. Keep this in mind what happens whether it is anger, paranoia, hallucinations, and more, it is the disease, not your father. These trials may seem like they will never end, but we know what our hope is, and what is to come, all these pains and agonies will be wiped away, we must keep our eyes on Jesus.
Richard, I am always glad to pray for you and your parents. It seems that things have been pretty trying for you and that is getting you down a bit. I will pray for God to keep you in His joy and peace through all of this.
The number is the church, the body of Christ, the holy city of God. Length breadth and height are equal. Twelve thousand furlongs. (Re.21:16-17) Don't use furlongs as we measure here. "according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.". This is what each saint measures in Christ. How many shall fit in the city? Think of spiritual bodies, each saint is in Christ and in his glory shall fill? The Spirit used a tag to indicate the body, that is all. ,
Ps.36:5-10
The heavens stretched as a curtain from end to end, each circle is the heart of man. He is in the secret place, and it the shadow of the Almighty. May we learn to put our trust under the shadow of thy wings. In.vv.5-6 we read His righteousness like the giant eagle wing cover us. They are great mountains that we can never attain. His depths are past understanding, "Thy mercy, O Lord, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds./Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O Lord, thou preservest man and beast."
"And thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures" here we have the river of time flowing from his throne till the throne of the Lamb in eternity.
Thy pleasures refer to his mercy of which we read thus, " It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not./They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness."(Lam.3:22-23)
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."
This light is the true Light, which is the life of men. Make us see evermore thy glory which is from everlasting to everlasting.
Our prayer is to behold this face "the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" daily as we live our lives in sickness, in labor and at workplace, in our daily lives let it give understanding to worship you. (Ps.19:1-2; 2 Co.4:6) Amen
I read your reply before I sent my reply,
I didn't see an answer.
Thanks and God bless.
I answered Tidianne. The significance is in line with many other instances in the Bible w.r.t the Gospel of GodIf you read my answer you may perhaps get it. As I said earlier "John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." I said my piece and I rest.
You asked,
If the 12 tribes are still around and truly under the Law of Moses do they need to be have numbered?
End quote
Bennymkje, they are numbered in Revelation so there won't be no mistake who John is identifying.
You asked, Isn't circumcision is a sign for them? As with Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel so many number of Christians from the left out church redeem themselves.
Yes, circumcision is a sign for them.
But, Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel has nothing to do with them showing up in Revelation.
The message is the sacrifice by faith.
As for the tribes being lost
in James 1:1 it seems they are not lost, nor were they ever lost.
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
However Bennymkje, neither of these topics answers Tdianne's question.
"Where does it says no one but the 144,000 goes to Heaven.
God bless.
In the vision St John heard the number. Did he hear with his physical ears or with the ear of faith? If it is the former the verses aforementioned would need correction. "I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." God gives the revelation of Jesus Christ through his angel. It cannot be to give any news of the physical earth and gossip about who shall make the list or who shall not. God has already recorded their names and the Book of the Lamb has names as well. So 'the servants of our God' ought to be from the latter book.
The number 4 repeated refers to the word of God, which is the basis for the everlasting covenant. The last line puzzles me, "Do you have moderators in which you and Chris are members? Or are you moderate it to suit the denomination you represent?
If the 12 tribes are still around and truly under the Law of Moses do they need to be have numbered? Isn't circumcision is a sign for them? As with Seth stepping in to fill the void of Abel so many number of Christians from the left out church redeem themselves. It is what baptism for the dead would signify. It was first shown by Jesus Christ.. The first fruits standing with Jesus have the name of the Father in their foreheads."Re.14:1)
This info from wikipedia may be of some interest to you. "After 70 years, many of the captives of Judah returned to Jerusalem and rebuilt the city. Because of this and their renewed diligence in keeping God's Sabbath, their history continued. However, the northern 10 tribes largely disappeared from history."
I agree with Brother Chris.
The group you have here in Revelation 7:2-8 is 12000 Jews out of each of the 12 tribes of Israel as mentioned in vs 4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
And the tribes are listed and divided in the following verses.
This group is sealed by God in will be on earth serving during the tribulation period. The Church would have already been raptured.
Tdianne you won't find in the Bible where it says "only 144,000 people are going to heaven" because it's not in the Bible!
This is the Jehovah Witness beliefs.
The Jehovah's Witnesses started in 1870 by Charles Taze Russell.
In the beginning it was just a few of them and they claimed that only a 144,000 go to heaven and the rest would inherit the Earth.
The problem is they have outgrown the number, now it's millions of them.
They believe they are the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation and they were sealed to preach the Kingdom has come.
I hope that helps.
If you have anymore questions on this group let us know.
God bless.
"I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help." (Ps.121:1)
Compare with the Ps.91:1-2 "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty./ I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust." The fortress the shelter for any saint is the shadow of the Almighty. Think of the wings replaced by hills casting this shadow. What are these? One is Zion and the other Eden, the holy mountain of God. (Is.28:16;Ez.28:14)
"Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth."(Is.40:26)
There is a Important factor that often gets overlooked and not told about n that is
A Person Must Ask ,In Order To Receive, miracles from the Holy
that includes Asking for forgiveness,or Asking for the Gift of Heaven or whatevr, it has to be asked for and or pursued
a person can't pull up to a drive thru window n not say anything,or go to a restaurant and not say anything
its a Blessing to get what you ask for and asking is the only way to get it
as the ol saying goes the wheel that squeaks gets the grease
The Spirit uses numbers for specific purposes. God is a Spirit and in order to translate His purpose for man the number 144,000 is made up of 12x12x1000. You shall see multiples of 12 which is the command number for the Gospel of God. 120 (12x10) indicates a man life based on the word of God. "yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(Ge.6:3).
Jesus chose 12 disciples.
In order to indicate the end times the Spirit sets multiple of 1000 instead. So the number refers to the body of church set apart redeemed by the word of God. In most instances it has nothing to do with numerical value we associate with number.
If you want to reduce the number 12 further (4x3) it shows the number Four which tells the word of God is the same in all cardinal directions. Three is the command number for the Son.
When we come to this Book of the Revelation, there will always be many opinions about the people, events, & timing of their appearance, since much of Revelation is still future. But if we go by what we have been given in these passages, we note that this great number of people are from the twelve tribes of Israel, they are God's servants, undefiled, and they stand with Jesus on Mt. Zion (alluding to Jesus' Second Coming to rule upon the Earth).
These were redeemed as first fruits among men, and yet in Revelation 7:9, John the Revelator sees 'a great multitude without number from all nations also standing before God's Throne & before the Lamb, worshipping God'. So it seems clear that the 144,000 are distinct as those from the tribes of Israel, and there are also those of the Gentile nations, all whom will stand with Jesus in Jerusalem in that coming day. Whether any part of these passages indicate that there is also worship by these in Heaven (& then on Earth), or the specific timing of when these Jews are sealed by God or do His bidding on Earth, are all open to conjecture as what John sees, he brings to us. What John hasn't been told (or shown), would leave both him & us in ignorance to all the specifics. And so we read what we've been given & we should allow the Holy Spirit to guide & comfort our hearts in both the known & unknown.
I love reading and learning from the bible. I don't always understand it so my notebook is full of questions. Other bible study
sites confuse me, thanks for answering my questions.
I will continue to pray for Nathan and for his mom. May he get all the support, treatment, and nurture he needs during this panful, difficult, and life-changing situation.
Thanks for asking GiGi your have a good heart, he has a long recovery, he lives in Denver. What is hard his mother, my neighbor is many miles away.
God bless,
RLW
I have been keeping Nathan in prayer. How is he recovering?
Hey Jesse: How are you? I'm glad you are enjoying this discussion. It really encourages me to study even more. Recliners are indeed a wonderful invention. You made me laugh when you said maybe a lazy person invented it. :) I have to admit I would love to do a study with you comparing the KJB to the Texus Receptus, but it's a lot for me to ask, even though you volunteered, so I'll leave it up to you.
YOU: I believe the ancient writings of scripture are completely free from error." However, the KJB or any other English translation or version are not the ancient writings, and there is no perfect English translation/version.
ME: I'm sorry I made the wrong assumption about the original writings. I thought when you first said you didn't believe God wrote the bible you meant all the writings from the beginning. So sorry.
ME: If God didn't write one true version of His word for us to have then who did?
YOU: We do have God's perfect word in the original languages. It's through various English translations (including the KJB) where we run into problems.
ME: The Holy Ghost wrote the KJB inspiring the men who authored it. If not, then I guess the authors were just doing their best to write what they thought the original languages were saying and we just have to accept what they decided to write. But why should we? If the Holy Spirit kept the original writings pure why did He do that if they weren't going to be used any more? Why just let them fade into obscurity instead of using them so we have a pure English version for mankind? English is the second most spoken language in the world.
ME: How do we know right from wrong if we can't trust what is written? YOU: Is it the bible that teaches us right from wrong, or is it God's Spirit that convicts a person (both believer and non-believer) of what's right and what's wrong?
ME: Both. Man's conscience does convict him of right and wrong but that's not enough for him to come to salvation. Man, if he has a sense of what he is doing is wrong but enjoys it and doesn't want to quit he isn't going to. But then again, maybe his conscience is bothering him enough he looks to God for help and what God says about what is troubling him. I just hope he uses the KJB.
YOU: If the KJB is used as the source to compare all other bibles for truth, what do you use to check the KJB for accuracy and, I must ask you, what manuscripts did God use? ME: The original writings that the Holy Ghost had kept pure: the Masochistic text and the Texus Receptus.
ME: Why if they loved God and respected His word would they do what they did and now there are those of you who don't even believe God wrote a word of truth for us. I know for myself I wouldn't be able to get along without the supernatural word of God as a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. YOU: You speak of "those of you who don't even believe God wrote a word of truth for us?"
ME: I'm so sorry, I wasn't thinking of you or anyone on this site, I was thinking of my X pastor, although my wording is wrong. Sorry.
YOU: If you believe that God wrote the KJB, who wrote the bible/s that was/were already in existence before 1611? Also, if God did write the KJB, which version of the KJB did He write? Was it the original 1611 because there have been several revisions to the 1611? ME: God chose the final version of the KJB that was produced because that is the one He wanted. I don't know why He allowed grammatical errors in the first one. Perhaps to test our faith in His word.
YOU: Would it be wrong of me to mark through a word in the KJB and replace it with the word the Greek text uses?
ME: If the KJB differs from the Creek I hope you will do that study with me. As for marking out words, I kind of think that's between you and the Lord. The Lord knows 99% of us can't read the Masochistic text or the Texus Receptus but He knew we would need an English version since English is the second most spoken language in the world so He gave use a translation we can trust and it was trusted for centuries until some men, like in the story I'm posting next, thought we needed one written in modern English. I believe you said you use the KJB mostly, so I guess I'm kind of preaching to the Choir except you believe it wasn't written by God, you don't believe we have a bible we can trust to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, is that right? The authors used the manuscripts accepted by God not the ones rejected by the Church fathers. I think I answered all your questions. If I missed one, please let me know.
God Bless You.
Went through a friend of mine after she seemed like she was from her own admission ready to find a home health care person. Got hollered at after I told her I would call this person and she actually planned to stop by; but her proselytizing is what turned her off. She keeps asking me what it is that I don't feel that I want to help her with in regard to errands; since her health is my primary concern and dealing with my dad's dementia; that is my real worry.
I did find a nice place to stay out of town and the man is amenable if I stay there long term very cheaply for an extended time.
It is obvious the reaction I will get from my mom if I get my cousin involved but I can't see any other option; am still hoping she will actually get to this chiropractor and that he can actually help her; if so she needs to be at a normal weight. For now her blood pressure was a bit low but doesn't seem to be a huge issue for now. With my dad's age though it overwhelms her. If I do go away I will be close enough to make a trip home once a week until they get someone; my mom knows someone who she met as a health care aid but she probably needs to be in a facility. Thanks for prayer.
My prayers are with you, I know what you are facing, I took care of my mother who had dementia, for 8 years. I do not know what stage your father is in but there are many. May God give you the strength to travel this road that will not be easy, and may He send you help. Keep this in mind what happens whether it is anger, paranoia, hallucinations, and more, it is the disease, not your father. These trials may seem like they will never end, but we know what our hope is, and what is to come, all these pains and agonies will be wiped away, we must keep our eyes on Jesus.
God bless,
RLW