Hi Jaz,yes,im not in no way saying that any gift from God has to be asked for, i totally understand his Blessing are on the face of the earth over Evrything,including plants animals and All.....100%, He's a Awesome mysterious God
have learned thru personal experience when it comes to things out of extra ordinanary,when a person is in some kind of trouble knowing or not,that person needs to ask for help on there own accord,and not to expect help with out asking. again im not claiming that God wont help anyone knowing or not,with out asking. thats just a General Rule. that ive experinced to be true
but as mentioned primarily, when it comes to forgiveness or obtaining the Gift of Heaven those were the two main focal points
the Gift of Heaven is a Enormous Gift and if someone cant bring themselves to at least ask for or pursue it then good luck to em
but Appreciate your response had a feeling that was going to be taken like that by someone,,, ha
I pray for Jesus to send me a different person to help me get around.The so-called friend i have had helping me has been to exploitative towards me, she is very attractive and i think that she knows i want to be her boyfriend ,but i seriously doubt she would ever be my girlfriend.She helps me but expects lots of groceries and toiletries in return.i am disabled and on disability.but she still knows that i have a empathetic heart and is using me big time.i humbly ask you folks for prayer for me and my momma.she is in a rehab andthey are pushing her to try and recover quicker than she is comfortable with.I pray she wont fall and get hurt there.i cannot medically drive and i must depend on people to help me get around.I really really hope and pray anyone who takes the time to read this please pray for Gods favor on me and my poor sweet mom.We are all each other has.
I would like to share my understanding on Luke 7:47. Verses 48-50 can be read also with Verse 47.
This is another instance where God's Spirit worked in a situation to show what faith looks like. Her love did not produce her salvation. She was not saved by works.
What Jesus is saying is that her love proved that she was saved, that she was forgiven. Love is a fruit, a response to Christ, not a work in order to gain salvation. It is a byproduct.
John says in first John Chapter 4, "We love Him because He first loved us." Our relationship with the Lord is a response. Even thanksgiving does not originate with us. We are told to give God thanks for everything.
The word thanksgiving means respond to grace. That is what it means, EUCHARISTHEO CHARIS.
The more I am exposed to God's grace, the more I have a response of thanks. Gratitude! God's pouring out in my life, what I need and I don't deserve, and I thank Him for it. That is what it means. Her love was proof of her faith.
Look at the apostle Paul who was Saul of Tarsus. God saved him and Paul says "I'm not worthy to be an apostle because I persecuted church of God." And he told Timothy in 1 Timothy 1:15, he says "I am the chiefest of sinners!" And that's my message, that if I'm the chiefest of sinners, and God can save me, He can save anybody. What a message to have. But Paul was no celebrity!
How would we like to have the most notorious criminal in the world visit our church? And they come and say "I got a testimony!" It would be like, "Yeah, we don't mind as long as we have two people follow you around!" Just stay away from the offering box!
But you know, the people who are the most sinful, when they get saved, watch out because they're gone. They will leave us in the dust. For the person who is forgiven most will love the most. It gives that much more importance to pray for the people that we know who are not saved.
You are entitled to your opinion, but your accusation of what you say I am doing is wrong. You began this thread and you asked "But what about every word that Luke or Paul or Jeremiah or Amos wrote, or any other word that the human scribes wrote in the Bible?"
Since you brought up Paul, I responded with a simple question asking what your thoughts were on what Paul was saying in the verses I provided. The reason I asked was because I see Paul clearly stating that he was speaking for himself. It was a simple question, that's all. I kind of wished I had never askedI asked for your thoughts, you've shared them, so I guess we're done.
You say that the Bible "CONTAINS" the Word of God. That is far different than recognizing that the ENTIRE Bible "IS" the Word of God.
And in doing so you are relegating different verses, passages, chapters, or even books of the Bible as having different levels of authority.
The Book of Esther for example does not even mention God. Yet every word and phrase in the Book of Esther is EXACTLY the word and phrase that God Himself chose to be written by the human author. Just as is every word in the Bible that Paul or Luke or Isaiah or Moses wrote. We don't need to get into the mind of the human scribes.
And God says this very clearly in 1 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the WILL OF MAN: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED by the Holy Ghost." And this applies not just to certain parts of the Bible, but to the ENTIRE Bible as we read in 2 Timothy 3:16 "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
Christ Himself identifies Himself intimately with His Word, the Bible, as we read in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
So there is no argument here. God Himself is the author of every word, every verse, every chapter, every book of the entire Bible, the Word of God. It is not necessary for us to understand how this was done. Just that it was done as God declares.
I would never want to hold that the Bible merely CONTAINS the Word of God. That, in effect, strips the Bible of its authority. When, in fact, every word in the Bible, IS the Word of God Himself. And is the reason that we are commanded to "compare scripture with scripture" throughout the ENTIRE Bible.
Rev 22:18,19 warns us:
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Good morning to you all . I'm reading the book of Luke at the moment and I was struck by the similarity of chapter 5 verses 31+32 and chapter 7 verse 47 . In both chapters ,Jesus seems to me to be having very subtle digs at the scribes and Pharisees . Those that are whole ( none of us are , we are all sinners ) . I came not to call the righteous ( none of us are ) . So Jesus is talking about those people who think that they are whole and righteous and if that's what they think of themselves then they probably won't answer when he comes knocking on their door because they ( or us ) don't recognise that they are sinners . They think that they don't need Jesus and the forgiveness and reconciliation that can only come through him .
In chapter 7 verse 47 Jesus talks about those to whom little is forgiven , does he mean those who haven't sinned very much ? Or does he mean those who THINK that they haven't sinned very much ?
We can never be aware of just how sinful we are because we don't always recognise our own sinfulness on an individual sins basis . We don't always know the full consequences of our words or actions or omissions but God does .
One thing I know for sure is that however sinful I think I am , I should probably multiply that by a thousand . If we cannot at least try to recognise our own sinfulness we can never really appreciate what has been done for us , out of pure love , by God and by Jesus . And if we can't recognise the magnitude of what has been done , out of a pure love , we cannot feel that love on any where near the scale that we should be able to and if we can't feel it we can't hope to be able to respond to it appropriately and proportionately . Recognising our own sinfulness is essential I think . Only when we do that can we hope to appreciate what has been done for us , out of a pure love . Hope you all have a lovely day .
Dear Brother , with respect I would have to disagree with you on this subject . There are many people in this world who are receiving blessings from God and they don't even know it or Him and yet He is at work in everyone's lives , being kind and generous to the ungrateful and unbelieving . Also , remember the widow of Nain ? There is no mention of her asking for her son to be given back to her alive . Jesus seems to have taken it upon himself , moved with compassion for this lady , to give her her son back alive and well .
I'm sure we all know many atheists who seem to lead charmed lives , everything just seems to fall into place for them . I'm glad for them because if all they have are the things of this life then let them enjoy this life . As Jesus says , they have their rewards in this life , we Christians are looking forward to something beyond the physical . Our rewards are on the way but are not to do with this world . May God bless us all and keep our eyes and hearts attuned to the real riches , treasures in heaven , soon to be on earth .
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time( Matthew 24:14-15&21-23.Take look): and at that time (THE CURRENT TIME) thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (Who are the light of the world?)
1Thessalonians 4:15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel (MICHAEL), and with the trump of G0D( Revelation 11:15-18): and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the cloud(THE SAME CLOUD THAT APPEARED IN HIS ASCENSION IN THE MOUNT OLIVET- ACTS 1:9-11, to meet the Lord in the air(IN THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE THIRD HEAVEN THAT WILL BE ESTABLIHED IN THIS CURRENT MILLENNIUM): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Get ready , the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.
20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. (JESUS is coming and is at door, it is midnight, Behold, the bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet HimMatthew 25:6and10.
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of GOD, GOD will give it thee.
23 JESUS saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto JESUS, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection AT THE LAT DAY. (Seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millnnium.. This Day arrived)
I believe we have everything we need to know about history, prophecy, and doctrine contained in the pages of the Bible, from Genesis through Revelation. It's been said by many (Including myself) that the bible is the word of God. I've said it before and I don't see anything wrong with saying that because it does contain the words spoken by God, words spoken by Jesus, and words spoken by the apostles. However, not every single word that we read in the bible is from the mouth of God Himself.
You ask me how I determine which verses in the bible are truly the word of God. As you have said, we have the words of Jesus recorded for us. Those words are not hard to find. We also have recorded for us the words that God spoke through the prophets. And then we have places in the bible where there are words spoken by others that have been recorded for us, words that were not spoken by God. For instance, God would not accuse His Son of blasphemy, but we read in the bible the very words spoken by those who were accusing Jesus of blasphemy. When the crowds yelled, "Crucify Him, Crucify Him," were those God's words or the words of an angry crowd? I am just using these as examples to show that not every single word in the bible is from the mouth of God Himself.
We could go back and forth with this for a long time, and this would be what some might call "circular reasoning," between the two of us, so I honestly don't see any reason to do so, unless you feel the need to do so? I simply asked for you to share your thoughts on the three verses I gave, not the entire bible. It seems fairly clear to me that Paul was speaking for Himself, not speaking the "exact" words that God gave him to speak. If you are convinced otherwise, then there's not much more we can discuss about those verses.
30"Therefore, having overlooked the times of ignorance, GOD now commands all people everywhere to repent,
31because He has set a Day (Lord's Day, the seven and last Day, or seven and last millennium)when he is going to Judge the WORLD in righteousness by the man He has appointed.He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead."
John 1:10-13:
10He-JESUS-was in the WORLD,and the world was made by Him,and the WORLD knew Him not.
11He came unto His own,and His own received Him not.
12But as many as received Him,to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD,even to them that believe on His name:
13Which were born,not of blood,nor of the will of the flesh,nor of the will of man,but of GOD.
1John 3:1-15KJV
3Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD:therefore the world knoweth us not,because it knew Him not.
2Beloved, NOW are we the sons of GOD,and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall APPEAR, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
3And every man that hath this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as He is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of GOD was manifested, that He might DESTROY the works of the Devil.
9Whosoever is born of GOD...His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of GOD.
10In this the children of GOD are manifest, and the children of the Devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Asking for strong protection, intervention and breakthrough for us and all in need. Also asking for A. to be convicted and K. comforted and for a new job for me if it is the Lord's will. Thank you.
I pray Culhain stops lying now and for good, and is a very honest man, starting now and always, I pray A.C.R. is delivered from rage and anger, I pray their plans and soon to be marriage, go well and are blessed, I pray God stops the attacks, renews both their hearts and minds and puts a right spirit in them, in Jesus Name Amen.
Hi Jesse,Yes, exactly to that last paragraph you sent,Persuasion. excellant,a clue to the behind the curtain of sorts to this story. thats the thing about the Bible. parables and stories usually have more than one meaning
they can be parallelling another instance from the past or future in differant ways,some people see one thing another person see's another
1611, Jesus said 'Who touched my clothes' in another one, scene it said the Hem of his garment
general idea is there,she did what the other people were doing or trying to do,but his power went out to her exclusively for the reasons you noticed in that last paragraph you sent, Confidence Faith n persuasion,,yep
but yes would be interested in what you would like to share about that and the Tallit.
You are welcome. I have more information about the Tallit and exactly what she touched on Jesus' garment that I can share if you'd like? At least it is information that I find interesting!
And I agree with you that her confidence goes hand in hand with faith. Since the word faith literally means persuasion, she was fully persuaded in her mind about who Jesus was and that He alone had the power to heal her.
Thanks for responding and sharing your thoughts. I'm not sure an exegesis on those three verses I pointed out would be necessary as they seem pretty straight forward as to what Paul was saying. If the words Paul spoke in 1 Corinthians 7:12, 1 Corinthians 7:25, and 2 Corinthians 11:17 were the exact words that God wanted him to use (as you are convinced of), by Paul's very own words, he seemed to indicate otherwise.
In 1 Corinthians 7:25, Paul says "I'm going to give (my) judgment, as one that has obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful." Here, he began by saying that he had no commandment from the Lord, and so he gave his own judgment. God didn't give Paul any commandment or give him the exact words to speak. Was Paul at liberty to do so? I believe so. Paul said he had obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. So, Paul was at liberty to speak for himself, as one having obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. God trusted Paul to speak. God trusted Paul to be faithful, even during the times where Paul was speaking his own words.
Again, I do thank you for sharing your view on those verses. However, we do see Paul's words differently. It's not that important that we are in agreement on this. I was just wanting to see what you thought about those verses.
As far as there being "certain principles that we are to use in interpreting the Bible," I am not sure what those principles are? There is only one principle that I believe and that is that the infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture to be Scripture itself.
I totally agree with you where you said, "if we introduce principles from our own mind that are not found in the Bible, we will not come to truth." That is true! It can also be said that we in the body of Christ many times will not come to truth even when we are introducing principles from the bible!
None of the authors of the New Testament ever used any of those Hebrew names for God. They just called Him ""Lord" (in grk Kyrios, Master). I believe Matthew, Luke, Mark, John, Paul, Peter, Jude and James knew exactly what they were doing and what whas right to call God. So don't let yourself be confused by people who try to take advantage of maybe not so good knowledge of yours of the Bible to promote their beliefs. On top of that the name of God in New testament is "Father", just that and only that.
1 Corinthians 1:1-2, "1Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:"
In verse 2 pay attention please to that "call upon the name of Jesus Christ". This is the name the ancient church called upon. It is the only name that matters and through that name (Jesus means Saviour in Hebrew, which means to call upon His sacrifice) people are saved. Nothing else.
Church of God in Christ Sunday School Book June 30,2024
I Corinthians 1:10-17 KJV
My Respiond:: COGIC Worship - Acts 13:46 KJV
I Worship the God of a holiness sound, God of Unity, Harmony. God that gives you a voice and ability to speak what he says. A God that is and also allows you to love one another, care for one another , make good decisions.
Hello David. It seems those of the Watchtower Society have been ministering to you since the loss of your wife & you have likely also embraced their beliefs & practises. I would share in Derek's warning concerning those beliefs, many of which are in variance to Biblical Christianity & correct understanding of God's Word & Jesus His Son.
But to your question about Psalm 83:18. And again I assume that your question is about the use of 'Jehovah' in the KJB, a Name that is more commonly used in the NWT. Actually, the answer lies with the translators of the KJB, back in AD 1611, appointed by the then King James I in AD 1604. As we check on the instances where the Name Jehovah appears in the KJB (i.e. Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4), it seems that the translators who were appointed to work on those Books, preferred to use 'Jehovah' in those verses for their own reasons.
When we look at the Isaiah 12:2 & Isaiah 26:4 references (be-yah Yahweh), it is likely the translators wanted to emphasize the absolute greatness of God. As one expositor has commented, "The union of these two forms (of Yahweh) seems designed to express, in the highest sense possible, the majesty, glory, and holiness of God; to excite the highest possible reverence where language fails of completely conveying the idea." Otherwise, where the Glorious & Personal Name of Yahweh is given in the KJB, translators have used LORD (in caps) instead.
Hi Jesse,yes,her confidence you noticed goes hand in hand with Faith,her confidence was a result of Faith.even tho there not exactly the same
Christ was walking thru crowds of people they were all grabbing at him,he asked who did this they said everyone is reaching reaching out to you. thats what makes this story very special,theres more to it.
While I'm not sure I can exegete these verses exactly and won't attempt to do that here, I'm very convinced that the words Paul used in these verses are EXACTLY the words that God wanted Paul to use.
So, like every word in the Bible, this language is indeed the WORD OF GOD HIMSELF.
Also, I am convinced that God has written the Bible in such a way that tests us as to how we approach and interpret His Word, the Bible.
God also lays out for us in the Bible certain principles that we are to use in interpreting the Bible. And if we do not follow these principles or if we introduce principles from our own mind that are not found in the Bible, we will not come to truth.
So God may very well have used the language in these verses as a test: Is every word in the ENTIRE Bible truly THE WORD OF GOD. Or is it not.
And of course EVERY word in the Bible, in the original languages, is indeed EXACTLY, the word that God Himself chose to use.
What's interesting with this is that in Matthew 9:20-21, we read about a woman who has been hemorrhaging for 12 years. And her condition is that she is unclean. Any flow of blood makes a woman unclean. She's been hemorrhaging constantly for 12 years.
But look at the confidence of this woman in Verse 21: She comes up behind Jesus, and she touches the hem of His garment in confidence because she says if I could just touch the hem of His garment, I'll be healed.
Now this wasn't just like coming up behind somebody's trousers and saying if I touch the hem of His garment. This was the TALLIT, the outer garment of the Jew. And they had these little tassels that would hang down. The Jews held that if a Rabbi was truly a man of God and had the presence of God with him, you could touch the Tallit's, and a miracle would be performed.
She was convinced that Jesus is a man of God. But notice her confidence. She says I know if I come up and touch the hem of His garment (The little tallit), that I will be healed, and I'll be made whole. And she touched Him, and she was made whole.
I agree with most of what you are saying, however, if "every word, every verse, every chapter in the ENTIRE Bible is from the mind and mouth of God Himself," as you have said, how should we view what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 7:12, 1 Corinthians 7:25, and 2 Corinthians 11:17?
In 1 Corinthians 7:12, Paul says, "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away."
So here, Paul says (he) speaks, not the Lord. He says we don't have anything from the Lord on this, but here's what I (Paul) teach in the churches about these relationships.
In 1 Corinthians 7:25, Paul says, "now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord:"
Some of the men were saying, "Well, I have a daughter who's never been married, and you know how corrupt this town is and the men that are in it, and I don't want my daughters to come near those immoral men of the city." What are we to do?
Paul says I have no commandment from the Lord, but I'm going to give my judgment, as one that has obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
In 2 Corinthians 11:17, Paul says, "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting." Was this Paul speaking for himself?
Just curious as to you view these verses. I understand these to be Paul's own words. Any thoughts? thanks!
Thanks for clarifying who were speaking of when you said, "those of you who don't even believe God wrote a word of truth for us?" I had no way of knowing that you were speaking singular (your ex-pastor) as the words "those of you" indicate plural. I'm glad to hear you weren't speaking of anyone here.
As to your question, yes, I do mostly use the KJB. I don't believe it was written by God. Please allow me to respond to where you said "you (myself) don't believe we have a bible we can trust to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, is that right?
No, that's not right. I trust that the bible in its original languages was inspired by God and can be trusted. If you're only referring to English translations, I have said in previous posts that there are a few English bibles I trust to be good translations (but not perfect).
Last question: I asked that if God did write the KJB, which version of the KJB did He write? You replied that "God chose the final version of the KJB that was produced because that is the one He wanted." Which version, and how do you know He wanted that one?
It's good to know that we both read and study KJB. We just disagree on it being a "perfect" translation. I will share with you why I believe there is no perfect English translation and how I come to this conclusion through studying the (NT) scriptures from a Biblical Greek standpoint. I am not prepared to go through the OT as I have not studied from the Septuagint, and I know very little Hebrew.
This will take some time, so please be patient with me. I promise you that what I share will not come from the internet, but from my own personal study. I will share the differences I've found between the English and the Greek Text (in this case, the KJB). I only ask that whatever I share with you that you please study it out on your own to come up with your own conclusion. I'll start with Matthew and (Lord willing) work through Revelation.
have learned thru personal experience when it comes to things out of extra ordinanary,when a person is in some kind of trouble knowing or not,that person needs to ask for help on there own accord,and not to expect help with out asking. again im not claiming that God wont help anyone knowing or not,with out asking. thats just a General Rule. that ive experinced to be true
but as mentioned primarily, when it comes to forgiveness or obtaining the Gift of Heaven those were the two main focal points
the Gift of Heaven is a Enormous Gift and if someone cant bring themselves to at least ask for or pursue it then good luck to em
but Appreciate your response had a feeling that was going to be taken like that by someone,,, ha
have a good one
I would like to share my understanding on Luke 7:47. Verses 48-50 can be read also with Verse 47.
This is another instance where God's Spirit worked in a situation to show what faith looks like. Her love did not produce her salvation. She was not saved by works.
What Jesus is saying is that her love proved that she was saved, that she was forgiven. Love is a fruit, a response to Christ, not a work in order to gain salvation. It is a byproduct.
John says in first John Chapter 4, "We love Him because He first loved us." Our relationship with the Lord is a response. Even thanksgiving does not originate with us. We are told to give God thanks for everything.
The word thanksgiving means respond to grace. That is what it means, EUCHARISTHEO CHARIS.
The more I am exposed to God's grace, the more I have a response of thanks. Gratitude! God's pouring out in my life, what I need and I don't deserve, and I thank Him for it. That is what it means. Her love was proof of her faith.
Look at the apostle Paul who was Saul of Tarsus. God saved him and Paul says "I'm not worthy to be an apostle because I persecuted church of God." And he told Timothy in 1 Timothy 1:15, he says "I am the chiefest of sinners!" And that's my message, that if I'm the chiefest of sinners, and God can save me, He can save anybody. What a message to have. But Paul was no celebrity!
How would we like to have the most notorious criminal in the world visit our church? And they come and say "I got a testimony!" It would be like, "Yeah, we don't mind as long as we have two people follow you around!" Just stay away from the offering box!
But you know, the people who are the most sinful, when they get saved, watch out because they're gone. They will leave us in the dust. For the person who is forgiven most will love the most. It gives that much more importance to pray for the people that we know who are not saved.
God bless!!!
You are entitled to your opinion, but your accusation of what you say I am doing is wrong. You began this thread and you asked "But what about every word that Luke or Paul or Jeremiah or Amos wrote, or any other word that the human scribes wrote in the Bible?"
Since you brought up Paul, I responded with a simple question asking what your thoughts were on what Paul was saying in the verses I provided. The reason I asked was because I see Paul clearly stating that he was speaking for himself. It was a simple question, that's all. I kind of wished I had never askedI asked for your thoughts, you've shared them, so I guess we're done.
You say that the Bible "CONTAINS" the Word of God. That is far different than recognizing that the ENTIRE Bible "IS" the Word of God.
And in doing so you are relegating different verses, passages, chapters, or even books of the Bible as having different levels of authority.
The Book of Esther for example does not even mention God. Yet every word and phrase in the Book of Esther is EXACTLY the word and phrase that God Himself chose to be written by the human author. Just as is every word in the Bible that Paul or Luke or Isaiah or Moses wrote. We don't need to get into the mind of the human scribes.
And God says this very clearly in 1 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the WILL OF MAN: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED by the Holy Ghost." And this applies not just to certain parts of the Bible, but to the ENTIRE Bible as we read in 2 Timothy 3:16 "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
Christ Himself identifies Himself intimately with His Word, the Bible, as we read in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
So there is no argument here. God Himself is the author of every word, every verse, every chapter, every book of the entire Bible, the Word of God. It is not necessary for us to understand how this was done. Just that it was done as God declares.
I would never want to hold that the Bible merely CONTAINS the Word of God. That, in effect, strips the Bible of its authority. When, in fact, every word in the Bible, IS the Word of God Himself. And is the reason that we are commanded to "compare scripture with scripture" throughout the ENTIRE Bible.
Rev 22:18,19 warns us:
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
In chapter 7 verse 47 Jesus talks about those to whom little is forgiven , does he mean those who haven't sinned very much ? Or does he mean those who THINK that they haven't sinned very much ?
We can never be aware of just how sinful we are because we don't always recognise our own sinfulness on an individual sins basis . We don't always know the full consequences of our words or actions or omissions but God does .
One thing I know for sure is that however sinful I think I am , I should probably multiply that by a thousand . If we cannot at least try to recognise our own sinfulness we can never really appreciate what has been done for us , out of pure love , by God and by Jesus . And if we can't recognise the magnitude of what has been done , out of a pure love , we cannot feel that love on any where near the scale that we should be able to and if we can't feel it we can't hope to be able to respond to it appropriately and proportionately . Recognising our own sinfulness is essential I think . Only when we do that can we hope to appreciate what has been done for us , out of a pure love . Hope you all have a lovely day .
I'm sure we all know many atheists who seem to lead charmed lives , everything just seems to fall into place for them . I'm glad for them because if all they have are the things of this life then let them enjoy this life . As Jesus says , they have their rewards in this life , we Christians are looking forward to something beyond the physical . Our rewards are on the way but are not to do with this world . May God bless us all and keep our eyes and hearts attuned to the real riches , treasures in heaven , soon to be on earth .
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time( Matthew 24:14-15&21-23.Take look): and at that time (THE CURRENT TIME) thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (Who are the light of the world?)
1Thessalonians 4:15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel (MICHAEL), and with the trump of G0D( Revelation 11:15-18): and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the cloud(THE SAME CLOUD THAT APPEARED IN HIS ASCENSION IN THE MOUNT OLIVET- ACTS 1:9-11, to meet the Lord in the air(IN THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE THIRD HEAVEN THAT WILL BE ESTABLIHED IN THIS CURRENT MILLENNIUM): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Get ready , the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.
20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. (JESUS is coming and is at door, it is midnight, Behold, the bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet HimMatthew 25:6and10.
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of GOD, GOD will give it thee.
23 JESUS saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto JESUS, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection AT THE LAT DAY. (Seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millnnium.. This Day arrived)
Be cereful or else get ready
I believe we have everything we need to know about history, prophecy, and doctrine contained in the pages of the Bible, from Genesis through Revelation. It's been said by many (Including myself) that the bible is the word of God. I've said it before and I don't see anything wrong with saying that because it does contain the words spoken by God, words spoken by Jesus, and words spoken by the apostles. However, not every single word that we read in the bible is from the mouth of God Himself.
You ask me how I determine which verses in the bible are truly the word of God. As you have said, we have the words of Jesus recorded for us. Those words are not hard to find. We also have recorded for us the words that God spoke through the prophets. And then we have places in the bible where there are words spoken by others that have been recorded for us, words that were not spoken by God. For instance, God would not accuse His Son of blasphemy, but we read in the bible the very words spoken by those who were accusing Jesus of blasphemy. When the crowds yelled, "Crucify Him, Crucify Him," were those God's words or the words of an angry crowd? I am just using these as examples to show that not every single word in the bible is from the mouth of God Himself.
We could go back and forth with this for a long time, and this would be what some might call "circular reasoning," between the two of us, so I honestly don't see any reason to do so, unless you feel the need to do so? I simply asked for you to share your thoughts on the three verses I gave, not the entire bible. It seems fairly clear to me that Paul was speaking for Himself, not speaking the "exact" words that God gave him to speak. If you are convinced otherwise, then there's not much more we can discuss about those verses.
30"Therefore, having overlooked the times of ignorance, GOD now commands all people everywhere to repent,
31because He has set a Day (Lord's Day, the seven and last Day, or seven and last millennium)when he is going to Judge the WORLD in righteousness by the man He has appointed.He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead."
John 1:10-13:
10He-JESUS-was in the WORLD,and the world was made by Him,and the WORLD knew Him not.
11He came unto His own,and His own received Him not.
12But as many as received Him,to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD,even to them that believe on His name:
13Which were born,not of blood,nor of the will of the flesh,nor of the will of man,but of GOD.
1John 3:1-15KJV
3Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD:therefore the world knoweth us not,because it knew Him not.
2Beloved, NOW are we the sons of GOD,and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall APPEAR, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
3And every man that hath this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as He is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of GOD was manifested, that He might DESTROY the works of the Devil.
9Whosoever is born of GOD...His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of GOD.
10In this the children of GOD are manifest, and the children of the Devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother.
they can be parallelling another instance from the past or future in differant ways,some people see one thing another person see's another
1611, Jesus said 'Who touched my clothes' in another one, scene it said the Hem of his garment
general idea is there,she did what the other people were doing or trying to do,but his power went out to her exclusively for the reasons you noticed in that last paragraph you sent, Confidence Faith n persuasion,,yep
but yes would be interested in what you would like to share about that and the Tallit.
im open minded for sake of learning and Truth
God Bless ya too
Let me ask you this, if I may.
How do you determine which verses in the Bible are truly the Word of God?
Do the words of Jesus recorded for us in the Bible have more authority than other parts of the Bible that are not direct quotes of God Himself?
What is God teaching in 2 Peter 1:21 and 2 Timothy 3:16?
You are welcome. I have more information about the Tallit and exactly what she touched on Jesus' garment that I can share if you'd like? At least it is information that I find interesting!
And I agree with you that her confidence goes hand in hand with faith. Since the word faith literally means persuasion, she was fully persuaded in her mind about who Jesus was and that He alone had the power to heal her.
God Bless!!!
Thanks for responding and sharing your thoughts. I'm not sure an exegesis on those three verses I pointed out would be necessary as they seem pretty straight forward as to what Paul was saying. If the words Paul spoke in 1 Corinthians 7:12, 1 Corinthians 7:25, and 2 Corinthians 11:17 were the exact words that God wanted him to use (as you are convinced of), by Paul's very own words, he seemed to indicate otherwise.
In 1 Corinthians 7:25, Paul says "I'm going to give (my) judgment, as one that has obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful." Here, he began by saying that he had no commandment from the Lord, and so he gave his own judgment. God didn't give Paul any commandment or give him the exact words to speak. Was Paul at liberty to do so? I believe so. Paul said he had obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. So, Paul was at liberty to speak for himself, as one having obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. God trusted Paul to speak. God trusted Paul to be faithful, even during the times where Paul was speaking his own words.
Again, I do thank you for sharing your view on those verses. However, we do see Paul's words differently. It's not that important that we are in agreement on this. I was just wanting to see what you thought about those verses.
As far as there being "certain principles that we are to use in interpreting the Bible," I am not sure what those principles are? There is only one principle that I believe and that is that the infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture to be Scripture itself.
I totally agree with you where you said, "if we introduce principles from our own mind that are not found in the Bible, we will not come to truth." That is true! It can also be said that we in the body of Christ many times will not come to truth even when we are introducing principles from the bible!
Blessings!
None of the authors of the New Testament ever used any of those Hebrew names for God. They just called Him ""Lord" (in grk Kyrios, Master). I believe Matthew, Luke, Mark, John, Paul, Peter, Jude and James knew exactly what they were doing and what whas right to call God. So don't let yourself be confused by people who try to take advantage of maybe not so good knowledge of yours of the Bible to promote their beliefs. On top of that the name of God in New testament is "Father", just that and only that.
1 Corinthians 1:1-2, "1Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:"
In verse 2 pay attention please to that "call upon the name of Jesus Christ". This is the name the ancient church called upon. It is the only name that matters and through that name (Jesus means Saviour in Hebrew, which means to call upon His sacrifice) people are saved. Nothing else.
I Corinthians 1:10-17 KJV
My Respiond:: COGIC Worship - Acts 13:46 KJV
I Worship the God of a holiness sound, God of Unity, Harmony. God that gives you a voice and ability to speak what he says. A God that is and also allows you to love one another, care for one another , make good decisions.
But to your question about Psalm 83:18. And again I assume that your question is about the use of 'Jehovah' in the KJB, a Name that is more commonly used in the NWT. Actually, the answer lies with the translators of the KJB, back in AD 1611, appointed by the then King James I in AD 1604. As we check on the instances where the Name Jehovah appears in the KJB (i.e. Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4), it seems that the translators who were appointed to work on those Books, preferred to use 'Jehovah' in those verses for their own reasons.
When we look at the Isaiah 12:2 & Isaiah 26:4 references (be-yah Yahweh), it is likely the translators wanted to emphasize the absolute greatness of God. As one expositor has commented, "The union of these two forms (of Yahweh) seems designed to express, in the highest sense possible, the majesty, glory, and holiness of God; to excite the highest possible reverence where language fails of completely conveying the idea." Otherwise, where the Glorious & Personal Name of Yahweh is given in the KJB, translators have used LORD (in caps) instead.
Christ was walking thru crowds of people they were all grabbing at him,he asked who did this they said everyone is reaching reaching out to you. thats what makes this story very special,theres more to it.
Thankyou for the info about the Tallit
While I'm not sure I can exegete these verses exactly and won't attempt to do that here, I'm very convinced that the words Paul used in these verses are EXACTLY the words that God wanted Paul to use.
So, like every word in the Bible, this language is indeed the WORD OF GOD HIMSELF.
Also, I am convinced that God has written the Bible in such a way that tests us as to how we approach and interpret His Word, the Bible.
God also lays out for us in the Bible certain principles that we are to use in interpreting the Bible. And if we do not follow these principles or if we introduce principles from our own mind that are not found in the Bible, we will not come to truth.
So God may very well have used the language in these verses as a test: Is every word in the ENTIRE Bible truly THE WORD OF GOD. Or is it not.
And of course EVERY word in the Bible, in the original languages, is indeed EXACTLY, the word that God Himself chose to use.
What's interesting with this is that in Matthew 9:20-21, we read about a woman who has been hemorrhaging for 12 years. And her condition is that she is unclean. Any flow of blood makes a woman unclean. She's been hemorrhaging constantly for 12 years.
But look at the confidence of this woman in Verse 21: She comes up behind Jesus, and she touches the hem of His garment in confidence because she says if I could just touch the hem of His garment, I'll be healed.
Now this wasn't just like coming up behind somebody's trousers and saying if I touch the hem of His garment. This was the TALLIT, the outer garment of the Jew. And they had these little tassels that would hang down. The Jews held that if a Rabbi was truly a man of God and had the presence of God with him, you could touch the Tallit's, and a miracle would be performed.
She was convinced that Jesus is a man of God. But notice her confidence. She says I know if I come up and touch the hem of His garment (The little tallit), that I will be healed, and I'll be made whole. And she touched Him, and she was made whole.
God Bless!!!
I agree with most of what you are saying, however, if "every word, every verse, every chapter in the ENTIRE Bible is from the mind and mouth of God Himself," as you have said, how should we view what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 7:12, 1 Corinthians 7:25, and 2 Corinthians 11:17?
In 1 Corinthians 7:12, Paul says, "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away."
So here, Paul says (he) speaks, not the Lord. He says we don't have anything from the Lord on this, but here's what I (Paul) teach in the churches about these relationships.
In 1 Corinthians 7:25, Paul says, "now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord:"
Some of the men were saying, "Well, I have a daughter who's never been married, and you know how corrupt this town is and the men that are in it, and I don't want my daughters to come near those immoral men of the city." What are we to do?
Paul says I have no commandment from the Lord, but I'm going to give my judgment, as one that has obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
In 2 Corinthians 11:17, Paul says, "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting." Was this Paul speaking for himself?
Just curious as to you view these verses. I understand these to be Paul's own words. Any thoughts? thanks!
Blessings to you!
(Part 2):
Thanks for clarifying who were speaking of when you said, "those of you who don't even believe God wrote a word of truth for us?" I had no way of knowing that you were speaking singular (your ex-pastor) as the words "those of you" indicate plural. I'm glad to hear you weren't speaking of anyone here.
As to your question, yes, I do mostly use the KJB. I don't believe it was written by God. Please allow me to respond to where you said "you (myself) don't believe we have a bible we can trust to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, is that right?
No, that's not right. I trust that the bible in its original languages was inspired by God and can be trusted. If you're only referring to English translations, I have said in previous posts that there are a few English bibles I trust to be good translations (but not perfect).
Last question: I asked that if God did write the KJB, which version of the KJB did He write? You replied that "God chose the final version of the KJB that was produced because that is the one He wanted." Which version, and how do you know He wanted that one?
It's good to know that we both read and study KJB. We just disagree on it being a "perfect" translation. I will share with you why I believe there is no perfect English translation and how I come to this conclusion through studying the (NT) scriptures from a Biblical Greek standpoint. I am not prepared to go through the OT as I have not studied from the Septuagint, and I know very little Hebrew.
This will take some time, so please be patient with me. I promise you that what I share will not come from the internet, but from my own personal study. I will share the differences I've found between the English and the Greek Text (in this case, the KJB). I only ask that whatever I share with you that you please study it out on your own to come up with your own conclusion. I'll start with Matthew and (Lord willing) work through Revelation.
Blessings to you in Christ!