You said, "Temptation or testing is for an answer to whether someone will be obedient or disobedient,
Ronald here's a silly illustration. When a salesman at a car dealership let's you test drive a car, is he testing to see if the car is obedient? No. He's proving the car is what he say it is.
That's why the Spirit led Jesus into the wilderness to show Jesus is who the father said he was in the previous verse.
Here's how it's read straight through.
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Matthew 3:17 - Matthew 4:1.
You asked, How can one be obedient if they cannot be disobedient?
That would be a good question for you and I.
We have a rebellious nature.
Disobedience is our fleshly nature. That's not so with Christ.
If you have to resist sin, you have a sinful nature. That's not so with Christ.
You asked;
If the first Adam was created with a sinful nature could God say He saw everything.
Yes Ronald, Absolutely. He made Adam just the way he planned to make him, and Adam did exactly what was expected. Christ wasn't a afterthought. God knew Adam would sin before he made him.
That is the long answers I have for you Ronald.
Again, My short answer is, Jesus is God and God cannot sin.
Thanks Brother Ronald,
We both know we don't agree on this.
I just thought it was necessary to give my thoughts.
Thanks for the reply. I will say again, I was not necessarily addressing you directly because if I was I would have messaged my reply to you, not Sean Paul. My point was that, just as you might use "whatever" there are many more words or phrases commonly used in our society today that can be used sinfully and we need to be careful of not only our speech but also be sure our intent is not sinful. That is my main point of what I said to Sean Paul. Have a good evening. I think we can exit this discussion now. God bless.
Dear Amy ,i made sure to pray for you about your struggle with addiction.I empathize with you on that.i struggle with sins as well.i will start to pray for you some ok?
Please pray i can get my mom back home if it is Gods will.I do miss her .And plesse pray for her body strengthening.And please pray for me that my big toes on both feet heal quickly.i had a fall yesterday and hurt myself .
LORD WILLING ALL ISRAELITES TAKE HEED TO THESE SCRIPTURES WHEN PRAYING AND REQUESTING PRAYERS.......
Proverbs 28:9
He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
God detests the prayers of a person who ignores the law, and he doesn't listen to those who deliberately sin and don't do his will.
Walk as Yahawashi("Jesus") walked and you will farewell.
1 John 2:4-7
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Thank you, brother, I know we have discussed it before and I think we both respect and care for each other as brothers. I will try not to rehash that discussion forgive me if there is some overlap, but could Christ have sinned your answer is no, I will just use this verse James 1:13, your answer, according to this verse He could not even have been tempted but Jesus was tempted or tested and Jesus stayed obedient to the Father. Temptation or testing is for an answer to whether someone will be obedient or disobedient, Romans 5:19.
1 Timothy 3:16 the word manifest is the Greek word phanero meaning to make visible, make clear. Jesus did that. In the flesh, I ask when did this happen? Did this happen when Mary conceived or when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost and became the Messiah/Christ?
Hebrews 1:1-3 God spoke to us by His Son every word Jesus said was the word of God, not His. Jesus shunned Philip when he asked Jesus to show them the Father, John 14:9-10, every word Jesus said was the Father.
As I have said when God placed Adam in the garden he did not have a sinful nature but he sinned and was disobedient. Jesus was not conceived by man but by the Holy Ghost, Jesus did not have the sinful nature past down by the first Adam, but He was obedient and did not sin.
I did not say anything about the cross but after Jesus prayed in the garden asking the Father if there was any other way Jesus was obedient to the end, being beaten, nailed to the cross, and giving His life for us.
If the first Adam was created with a sinful nature could God say He saw everything He had made, and it was very good? This sinful nature has a sentence of death, and it was after Adam ate the fruit that it was applied, and it spread to all. Adam was the figure of him that was to come, Jesus, the last Adam who by His obedience we have hope. How can one be obedient if they cannot be disobedient? To say Jesus was sinless and obedient becomes a farce.
Seven heads of the red dragon indicate what this verse signifies, " Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire."(Ps.104:4). God created angels by his breath. " By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent."( Job 26:13). So the Spirit gives the command number Seven a seat in heaven which is tagged as powers, principalities as St Pauls says, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."(Ep.6:12)
The tail of the red dragon represents heresies with which one the third of the stars shall be cast off into the earth. "The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail./ For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed."(Is.9:15-16)
Hi: I just relized I didn't get part 2 to you on the history of the NIV so here it is. Sorry. God Bless :)
and the "Contemporary English Translation" became the NIV. In 1967, the New York Bible Society (now called Biblica) took responsibility for the project and hired a team of 15 scholars from various Evangelical Christian denominations and from various countries. The initial "Committee on Bible Translation" consisted of Leslie Carlson, Edmund Clowney, Ralph Earle, Jr., Burton L. Goddard, R. Laird Harris, Earl S. Kalland, Kenneth Kantzer, Robert H. Mounce, Charles F. Pfeiffer, Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Francis R. Steele, John H. Stek, J. C. Wenger, Stephen W. Paine, and Marten Woudstra. The New Testament was released in 1973 and the full Bible in 1978. Professor of New Testament Studies Rodney J. Decker wrote in the Themelios Journal review of the NIV 2011:............"If we are serious about making the word of God a vital tool in the lives of English-speaking Christians, then we must aim for a translation that communicates clearly in the language of the average English-speaking person. It is here that the NIV excels. It not only communicates the meaning of God's revelation accurately, (of which I sorely disagree.) but does so in English that is easily understood by a wide range of English speakers. It is as well-suited for expository preaching as it is for public reading and use in Bible classes and children's ministries."
"And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads./And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth"
Both wonders occur in heaven. This is clearly based on the everlasting covenant." And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness." (Ge.1:4) So both wonders are separated only after the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters. Darkness which was upon the deep showed resistance knowledge of the holy. When God sends Jesus Christ the true Light into the world this rebelliousness in spirit was obvious. John 1:4-5 sums up the quality of the children of darkness. "In him (Jesus Christ) was life; and the life was the light of men./And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." This also shall explain predestination is tied to the bedrock of the Word. Either you believed and made the seed sown in your heart grow or rejected it. "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up."(Matt.15:13)
The red dragon is not the serpent but the body of the children of wrath.
The two wonders signify two nations namely children of light and children of wrath. Respectively their crowns indicate their origin.
The twelve stars indicate the Gospel of God working on the woman; meanwhile ten horns stamp the red dragon as a creature of the Law. "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."(Ro.3:20; Gal.2:16) The beast's authority came from this dragon. "having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."(Re.13:1). This demagogue is backed by sons of perdition and this spirit of disobedience is evident in our own times. His ten crowns signify the knowledge of sin. Seven heads of the red dragon indicate
Hello Terry: It's a blessing that you have the hope of being re-united with your hubby when you go to be with the Lord in your time of grief in missing him. May God give you his comfort. Matthew 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn, they shall be comforted.
Hi GiGi: I did not mean to imply the answer I was addressing to you was from one of my posts, but since you were referencing something I said I guess it was an honest mistake. God Bless :)
He He He He LOL I really enjoy your teasing me. Oops! There may be a book of RevelationS in some other so-called bible but there certainly isn't in mine. Are you German? Isn't commandant what they call American commanders in the Germany military? Have you revealed something of yourself in a post? I can't blame spell checker this time - I spelled the words correctly I just used the wrong words. He He. My English teacher would be turning over in her grave.
Is Jesse the male spelling of your name or is it spelled the same for a female? So? Can you guess what I'm getting at? Please don't blame me if I am being a ditz.
Like I said, I like you teasing me so I hope you don't mind my bantering back and forth with you. :) Have a blessed day or evening or night. :)
Matthe 4:1. "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Here's my understanding.
In Matthew 3 we see Jesus being baptized by John the baptist.
Then, in verse 17it reads, "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"
That brings us to Chapter 4 where we see the tempting of Satan in which the word for tempted is "peiraz" which means to to test (objectively) that is endeavor 6
scrutinize entice discipline: - assay examine go about to prove.
( Matthew 4:1-11)
Verse 1 says it was the Spirit which led Jesus up into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
What is Important to note in this section is that the DEVIL WASN'T BEING USED TO TEST TO SEE IF JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD. HE KNEW JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD!
In verse 3 where it says "if thou be the Son of God"
It should read "And when the tempter came to him, he said, "SINCE" thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Again, It was the Spirit that led Jesus into the wilderness to EXHIBIT this truth that was declared in Matthew 3:17.
That's my understanding on Christ being tempted.
Also; There is nowhere in scripture that says Christ had a inherited sin nature. .
I don't hold the view that Adam was created "Without" a sin nature. Adam was made a living soul;
Christ was made a Life giving spirit. Neither had to become that or hold on to it. Adam sinned and it proved he had that in him.
Christ proved he didn't.
HERE'S HOW THEY CONTRAST; "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:46-47.
Christ was ordained to be the Lamb that takes away the sins of the whole world before the world began! He didn't have to qualify.
our Savior our priest and the only mediator between us, and God was tempted as we are tempted, would not this temptation only be valid if he could succumb to temptation and was able to sin?
As you said,
I know we have discussed this in the past and yes we know each other stance on this.
However, let me share my understanding on this from what I have gathered and some from this very site.
When dealing with whether Christ could have sinned, the short answer is no He's God. I know we don't agree on that so no need for a debate there.
Now, one would ask "how could God (IN THE FLESH) be tempted? That's who Christ was here on earth. God in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16.
You referenced Hebrews 4:15. It reads "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
This doesn't say Jesus was tempted to sin as if he had a sin nature inherited from Adam.
The word tested here is "peiraz" which is to test (objectively) that is endeavor, scrutinize entice discipline: - assay examine go about to prove.
Christ was tested while in the flesh and "can be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;
This doesn't mean he is fighting back the urge to sin! It means he's being enticed but yet his testing was to prove him.
You see an example of the word temptation being used this way in James 1:12. The word here is peirasmos. It means putting to proof (by experiment [of good] experience [of evil] solicitation discipline or provocation); by implication adversity: - temptation.
Also;
The mocking Christ on the cross was not a test. He was where he wanted to be and doing what he came to do.
They had no power over him and the nails didn't hold him to that cross, love did.
"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:"
Primarily the sun of righteousness and moon are taken as one. The standing of any believer is by the grace of God of which we received grace for grace. Secondly the two great lights taken as one signify the glory of God,"the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." As the covenant stipulates they are to give light to the earth." And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,"(Ge.1:15-16; 2Co.4:6) This tableau presented by the Spirit looks to Ge.1:2 as well as to the new heaven and new earth. The holy city of God gives light of the Lamb to the earth where nations are placed. "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it."(Re.21:23-24) The body of the woman clothed with the sun is not what it seems. She was called before the foundation of the world. But she shall not make it to the throne. The man child is the body instead. This body is comprised of all saints redeemed from the earth, (By the same token inner man is what benefits from predestination. The glory of God gives it a body as it pleased him This triadic motif of body is after the likeness of the Son. The Sun moon and the stars in short are the triadic motives,They are represented by the 12 stars . "A crown of 12 stars" is a kangaroo image signifying single measurement: man angel.
Col:3:1-3 "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
This begs a question: are we to strictly live our lives in heavenly places for his glory or making coverts, which as Jesus warned, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."(Matt.23:15)
Yesterday, My Hubby Pass away with a Heart attack.
To my dog in Heaven I hope you are Having fun with the other dogs, In Heaven... God Bless The Family Left-be hide. . and Bless and peace to the Family. From heaven above, In Jesus Christ Name I Pray Amen. No More Pain and Tears. what a day when we all get to Heaven. What a Victory it will Be. When we all see Jesus We will sing and Shout Victory.. RIP.
Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which passed all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Dear Brother Jesse , with love and respect to you , who do you think that Paul is talking about in Hebrews chapter 5 ? Aaron ? Melchizedek ? Or Jesus ? Love in Christ .
Dear Brother Jesse , I'm a bit confused by your last sentence in this post : I do not believe.....is that correct or are the computer gremlins at work ? I ask this because the thing that you said that you don't believe is exactly what I do believe . It's true that Jesus had no biological human father but he did have a human mother . The first Adam had neither , he was born totally by the power of God without any humanity in him and yet he was capable of and did indeed sin .
What is Jesus's victory if not the victory over sin ? Sin which is the powder of death , or rather sin which causes physical death ? The wages of sin is death as we know . Christ did not earn those wages . If it was impossible for him to do so then where is his victory ? He has won nothing he has accomplished nothing he didn't submit he didn't have any choice in the matter he didn't have to make any effort .
In the garden if Gethsemane his humanity is very evident . He is afraid . Afraid of the physical mental emotional and spiritual pain and humiliation . He asks that the cup might pass from him , that the crucifixion might not have to happen . Isn't there another way Father ? God says no , there is no other way , I want you to do it this way . Jesus submits but right up to the last second he is tempted . Come down and we will believe you ! He could have done that ! His human nature that was in agony , would want to do that . He resisted temptation because he knew that it was God's will and plan for him to do it this way , he is he lamb slain from the foundation of the world ! He had to do it willingly , he had to submit which means he had the choice not to submit . He learned obedience , those two words are so important , learned obedience . Dear Brother , your last sentence that explains what you don't believe , that's exactly what I do believe . With respect , we shall have to differ .
Yes, brother you understood correctly I believe Jesus if He chose, He could have given into a temptation and been disobedient to His Father. Hebrews 2:18 says He suffered being tempted and in Hebrews 4:15 Jesus was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Jesus did not have a sinful nature like we do, He was not from man but was conceived in the womb of Mary by the Holy Ghost, He was the second man the last Adam.
The first Adam was not formed with a sinful nature, but he sinned and was disobedient, Jesus was sinless and obedient to the end, Romans 5:19. He had to know how it feels to battle temptations to become our priest and mediator. If Jesus was incapable of giving in to temptation His perfect sinless life has no meaning and if He was not capable of being disobedient being obedient to the Father unto death has no meaning.
The miracles Jesus did were not by His power but by the power of the Holy Ghost that God the Father gave to Him without measure John 3:34-35Acts 10:38 Jesus said many times it was not His will but the Father's will who sent Him, and He also said the words He spoke were not His but the Father, John12:49-50 That is why Jesus's name is called the Word of God, Revelation 19:13.
Now after God raised Jesus from death, He is at His Father's right hand on the throne of God and has been given power of the throne over all until the last enemy, death is under His feet, Ephesians 1:19-23Revelation 20:14.
I know you may disagree but that is how I understand it.
I should add that some Lutherans in particular have come very close to "transubstantiation" in regard to the communion setting. Much imagery as well seems to have come down from the Catholic church in the stained glass; etc. Infant baptism is the main thing which is held by most Reformed camps and is in error and doesn't conform to the public confession of one being dead; buried and resurrected in Christ. Children also are as Psalm 8:2 states praising God and also as other verses show too young to understand sin and hence also saved by grace. No ritual is going to change that; it could be argued their knowledge of the faith would heap greater condemnation; but since the son can't be held accountable for the father's sin and vice versa to hold some sort of expectation or family blessing in that situation is absurd. At best it reminds parents that they are in a vow to God as Joshua stated "as for me and my house we will worship the Lord." To have some sway at least externally parents need to raise a child in the fear and admonition of the Lord as well as not being hypocrites.
The scriptures are our ultimate authority; and as you are probably aware the "Arminian" or free will camp as well as Calvanists have proof texts that are used to pidgeonhole a given doctrine into scripture whether it fits or only partially applies; along with avoiding ones that clearly contradict their hypothesis.
I would submit that there is evidence for both camps in the Word. Other verses may apply to a nation as opposed to individuals in regard to predestination; for instance. I would also say that when taken to an extreme or "hypercalvinism" and repentance isn't preached as a necessary element for salvation when witnessing red flags go off. Calvin; and in fact Luther as a person weren't exactly displaying Godly character; for instance when Silvanus was martyred; or when clearly anti Semitic statements were repeated that Martin Luther said when Hitler came to power. Calvin basically wanted to rule as a king or worldly lord. Also marriage in many cases has been reduced to a contract rather than a covenant which makes people excuse divorce as well as remarriage; and a legalistic framework of the "Westminster Divines" along with endless catechism studies which can run one's faith dry in the process. To be fair the free will camp has some problems in regard to expectations that without God granting repentance as the book of Acts and other verses suggest that anyone can freely come to God. Our decisions are prompted by stirring of the Spirit of God.
In reality; there is no contradiction that man can turn to the Lord and God in His foreknowledge is aware of it; and also predestines it. God is fair ultimately; and whatever number is saved or lost is already established. As Deut. 29:29 suggests WE don't know it however. You know them by their fruits ( Matt. 7:16). One can be a 5 point Calvanist and lost (albeit in the most narrow way possible to hell).
Jesus knew beforehand who are they as he knew Judas what he would do. But as the Word become flesh his Spirit to give a chance to redeem himself. "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?/He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him."( John 6:70-71). We have an example what good it did to those disciples stayed the course learning from the Master. "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb." ( John 16:29)
" Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."( 1 John 3:2).
So the Spirit present parables as in the case of Blasphemy( of which we discussed in an earlier post from the Father Son relationship of God- Matt.12:31-32) to indicate the kingdom of the Son and kingdom of God. We shall see the Son as he is since we have the same glorious body and our soul establishes His mind working through the body. He is the Head and we belong to one body, the church. What made it all possible? Gospel of God is tagged as 12. When he presented the gospel it was gospel of Christ but the tag remains same. Even where Judas lost his place among the twelve it was necessary to keep the number as same.
In the upper room disciples gathered as commanded, "the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,"(Ac.1:15)
"And the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles."(Ac.1:26)
The Gospel is everlasting gospel is the same so tag 12 shall be basis by which the holy city is measured (12x1000). The single measure man-angel makes Paul, Peter and Matthias of whose ministry we know nothing are interchangeable. We have a clue. "And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating"(Ex.16:18)
"Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable./And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?"
Parables are meant to separate those who are born of the flesh from those who are born of the Spirit. Jesus asking his disciples as mentioned in the key text reveals his disciples were of the same league as that of Nicodemus. But one thing which was crucial for being born of the the Spirit was in favour of St Peter. When many disciples turned away from him Simon Peter believed. " Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life./And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God."( John 6:88-69). This was before the outpouring of the Spirit and his lifeline was alone the word of God as the voice and the sign before him. This is what the Spirit means of having the seed in itself.' Israel made light of it so Jesus castigated them, as blind guides. "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up./Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." (Matt.15:13-14) Here we have the Spirit giving a reason why Jesus spoke to them in parables. "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,/This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me./But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Their heart was far from God. Tell this to the pastors who preach 'prosperity'. In our very midst we have such specimens, Pharisaical in garb of TV preachers. Heaven help us!
Jesus knew beforehand who are they as he knew Judas what he would do. But as the Word become flesh his Spirit to give a chance to redeem himself. "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?/He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him."
Thanks for responding.
You said, "Temptation or testing is for an answer to whether someone will be obedient or disobedient,
Ronald here's a silly illustration. When a salesman at a car dealership let's you test drive a car, is he testing to see if the car is obedient? No. He's proving the car is what he say it is.
That's why the Spirit led Jesus into the wilderness to show Jesus is who the father said he was in the previous verse.
Here's how it's read straight through.
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Matthew 3:17 - Matthew 4:1.
You asked, How can one be obedient if they cannot be disobedient?
That would be a good question for you and I.
We have a rebellious nature.
Disobedience is our fleshly nature. That's not so with Christ.
If you have to resist sin, you have a sinful nature. That's not so with Christ.
You asked;
If the first Adam was created with a sinful nature could God say He saw everything.
Yes Ronald, Absolutely. He made Adam just the way he planned to make him, and Adam did exactly what was expected. Christ wasn't a afterthought. God knew Adam would sin before he made him.
That is the long answers I have for you Ronald.
Again, My short answer is, Jesus is God and God cannot sin.
Thanks Brother Ronald,
We both know we don't agree on this.
I just thought it was necessary to give my thoughts.
God bless.
Thanks for the reply. I will say again, I was not necessarily addressing you directly because if I was I would have messaged my reply to you, not Sean Paul. My point was that, just as you might use "whatever" there are many more words or phrases commonly used in our society today that can be used sinfully and we need to be careful of not only our speech but also be sure our intent is not sinful. That is my main point of what I said to Sean Paul. Have a good evening. I think we can exit this discussion now. God bless.
Proverbs 28:9
He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
God detests the prayers of a person who ignores the law, and he doesn't listen to those who deliberately sin and don't do his will.
Walk as Yahawashi("Jesus") walked and you will farewell.
1 John 2:4-7
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Thank you, brother, I know we have discussed it before and I think we both respect and care for each other as brothers. I will try not to rehash that discussion forgive me if there is some overlap, but could Christ have sinned your answer is no, I will just use this verse James 1:13, your answer, according to this verse He could not even have been tempted but Jesus was tempted or tested and Jesus stayed obedient to the Father. Temptation or testing is for an answer to whether someone will be obedient or disobedient, Romans 5:19.
1 Timothy 3:16 the word manifest is the Greek word phanero meaning to make visible, make clear. Jesus did that. In the flesh, I ask when did this happen? Did this happen when Mary conceived or when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost and became the Messiah/Christ?
Hebrews 1:1-3 God spoke to us by His Son every word Jesus said was the word of God, not His. Jesus shunned Philip when he asked Jesus to show them the Father, John 14:9-10, every word Jesus said was the Father.
As I have said when God placed Adam in the garden he did not have a sinful nature but he sinned and was disobedient. Jesus was not conceived by man but by the Holy Ghost, Jesus did not have the sinful nature past down by the first Adam, but He was obedient and did not sin.
I did not say anything about the cross but after Jesus prayed in the garden asking the Father if there was any other way Jesus was obedient to the end, being beaten, nailed to the cross, and giving His life for us.
If the first Adam was created with a sinful nature could God say He saw everything He had made, and it was very good? This sinful nature has a sentence of death, and it was after Adam ate the fruit that it was applied, and it spread to all. Adam was the figure of him that was to come, Jesus, the last Adam who by His obedience we have hope. How can one be obedient if they cannot be disobedient? To say Jesus was sinless and obedient becomes a farce.
God bless,
RLW
Seven heads of the red dragon indicate what this verse signifies, " Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire."(Ps.104:4). God created angels by his breath. " By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent."( Job 26:13). So the Spirit gives the command number Seven a seat in heaven which is tagged as powers, principalities as St Pauls says, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."(Ep.6:12)
The tail of the red dragon represents heresies with which one the third of the stars shall be cast off into the earth. "The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail./ For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed."(Is.9:15-16)
and the "Contemporary English Translation" became the NIV. In 1967, the New York Bible Society (now called Biblica) took responsibility for the project and hired a team of 15 scholars from various Evangelical Christian denominations and from various countries. The initial "Committee on Bible Translation" consisted of Leslie Carlson, Edmund Clowney, Ralph Earle, Jr., Burton L. Goddard, R. Laird Harris, Earl S. Kalland, Kenneth Kantzer, Robert H. Mounce, Charles F. Pfeiffer, Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Francis R. Steele, John H. Stek, J. C. Wenger, Stephen W. Paine, and Marten Woudstra. The New Testament was released in 1973 and the full Bible in 1978. Professor of New Testament Studies Rodney J. Decker wrote in the Themelios Journal review of the NIV 2011:............"If we are serious about making the word of God a vital tool in the lives of English-speaking Christians, then we must aim for a translation that communicates clearly in the language of the average English-speaking person. It is here that the NIV excels. It not only communicates the meaning of God's revelation accurately, (of which I sorely disagree.) but does so in English that is easily understood by a wide range of English speakers. It is as well-suited for expository preaching as it is for public reading and use in Bible classes and children's ministries."
"And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads./And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth"
Both wonders occur in heaven. This is clearly based on the everlasting covenant." And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness." (Ge.1:4) So both wonders are separated only after the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters. Darkness which was upon the deep showed resistance knowledge of the holy. When God sends Jesus Christ the true Light into the world this rebelliousness in spirit was obvious. John 1:4-5 sums up the quality of the children of darkness. "In him (Jesus Christ) was life; and the life was the light of men./And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." This also shall explain predestination is tied to the bedrock of the Word. Either you believed and made the seed sown in your heart grow or rejected it. "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up."(Matt.15:13)
The red dragon is not the serpent but the body of the children of wrath.
The two wonders signify two nations namely children of light and children of wrath. Respectively their crowns indicate their origin.
The twelve stars indicate the Gospel of God working on the woman; meanwhile ten horns stamp the red dragon as a creature of the Law. "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."(Ro.3:20; Gal.2:16) The beast's authority came from this dragon. "having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."(Re.13:1). This demagogue is backed by sons of perdition and this spirit of disobedience is evident in our own times. His ten crowns signify the knowledge of sin. Seven heads of the red dragon indicate
God Bless :)
Is Jesse the male spelling of your name or is it spelled the same for a female? So? Can you guess what I'm getting at? Please don't blame me if I am being a ditz.
Like I said, I like you teasing me so I hope you don't mind my bantering back and forth with you. :) Have a blessed day or evening or night. :)
Part 2.
Tempted of Satan.
Matthe 4:1. "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Here's my understanding.
In Matthew 3 we see Jesus being baptized by John the baptist.
Then, in verse 17it reads, "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"
That brings us to Chapter 4 where we see the tempting of Satan in which the word for tempted is "peiraz" which means to to test (objectively) that is endeavor 6
scrutinize entice discipline: - assay examine go about to prove.
( Matthew 4:1-11)
Verse 1 says it was the Spirit which led Jesus up into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
What is Important to note in this section is that the DEVIL WASN'T BEING USED TO TEST TO SEE IF JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD. HE KNEW JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD!
In verse 3 where it says "if thou be the Son of God"
It should read "And when the tempter came to him, he said, "SINCE" thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Again, It was the Spirit that led Jesus into the wilderness to EXHIBIT this truth that was declared in Matthew 3:17.
That's my understanding on Christ being tempted.
Also; There is nowhere in scripture that says Christ had a inherited sin nature. .
I don't hold the view that Adam was created "Without" a sin nature. Adam was made a living soul;
Christ was made a Life giving spirit. Neither had to become that or hold on to it. Adam sinned and it proved he had that in him.
Christ proved he didn't.
HERE'S HOW THEY CONTRAST; "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:46-47.
Christ was ordained to be the Lamb that takes away the sins of the whole world before the world began! He didn't have to qualify.
God bless.
Part 1.
You stated; "We are told
our Savior our priest and the only mediator between us, and God was tempted as we are tempted, would not this temptation only be valid if he could succumb to temptation and was able to sin?
As you said,
I know we have discussed this in the past and yes we know each other stance on this.
However, let me share my understanding on this from what I have gathered and some from this very site.
When dealing with whether Christ could have sinned, the short answer is no He's God. I know we don't agree on that so no need for a debate there.
Now, one would ask "how could God (IN THE FLESH) be tempted? That's who Christ was here on earth. God in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16.
You referenced Hebrews 4:15. It reads "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
This doesn't say Jesus was tempted to sin as if he had a sin nature inherited from Adam.
The word tested here is "peiraz" which is to test (objectively) that is endeavor, scrutinize entice discipline: - assay examine go about to prove.
Christ was tested while in the flesh and "can be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;
This doesn't mean he is fighting back the urge to sin! It means he's being enticed but yet his testing was to prove him.
You see an example of the word temptation being used this way in James 1:12. The word here is peirasmos. It means putting to proof (by experiment [of good] experience [of evil] solicitation discipline or provocation); by implication adversity: - temptation.
Also;
The mocking Christ on the cross was not a test. He was where he wanted to be and doing what he came to do.
They had no power over him and the nails didn't hold him to that cross, love did.
He could have come down any time he wanted to.
He was in control, not them! John 19:9-11.
See Part 2.
The tempting of Satan.
"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:"
Primarily the sun of righteousness and moon are taken as one. The standing of any believer is by the grace of God of which we received grace for grace. Secondly the two great lights taken as one signify the glory of God,"the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." As the covenant stipulates they are to give light to the earth." And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,"(Ge.1:15-16; 2Co.4:6) This tableau presented by the Spirit looks to Ge.1:2 as well as to the new heaven and new earth. The holy city of God gives light of the Lamb to the earth where nations are placed. "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it."(Re.21:23-24) The body of the woman clothed with the sun is not what it seems. She was called before the foundation of the world. But she shall not make it to the throne. The man child is the body instead. This body is comprised of all saints redeemed from the earth, (By the same token inner man is what benefits from predestination. The glory of God gives it a body as it pleased him This triadic motif of body is after the likeness of the Son. The Sun moon and the stars in short are the triadic motives,They are represented by the 12 stars . "A crown of 12 stars" is a kangaroo image signifying single measurement: man angel.
Col:3:1-3 "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
This begs a question: are we to strictly live our lives in heavenly places for his glory or making coverts, which as Jesus warned, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."(Matt.23:15)
Hi Richard: Just a "Hi" note.
Hope you are abiding in a good place.
Hope your parents are comfortable and safe.
Would like to share this scripture that
I enjoy reading. Psalms 104:33,34,35.
Victory is ours.!!!!
To my dog in Heaven I hope you are Having fun with the other dogs, In Heaven... God Bless The Family Left-be hide. . and Bless and peace to the Family. From heaven above, In Jesus Christ Name I Pray Amen. No More Pain and Tears. what a day when we all get to Heaven. What a Victory it will Be. When we all see Jesus We will sing and Shout Victory.. RIP.
Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which passed all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Mama
What is Jesus's victory if not the victory over sin ? Sin which is the powder of death , or rather sin which causes physical death ? The wages of sin is death as we know . Christ did not earn those wages . If it was impossible for him to do so then where is his victory ? He has won nothing he has accomplished nothing he didn't submit he didn't have any choice in the matter he didn't have to make any effort .
In the garden if Gethsemane his humanity is very evident . He is afraid . Afraid of the physical mental emotional and spiritual pain and humiliation . He asks that the cup might pass from him , that the crucifixion might not have to happen . Isn't there another way Father ? God says no , there is no other way , I want you to do it this way . Jesus submits but right up to the last second he is tempted . Come down and we will believe you ! He could have done that ! His human nature that was in agony , would want to do that . He resisted temptation because he knew that it was God's will and plan for him to do it this way , he is he lamb slain from the foundation of the world ! He had to do it willingly , he had to submit which means he had the choice not to submit . He learned obedience , those two words are so important , learned obedience . Dear Brother , your last sentence that explains what you don't believe , that's exactly what I do believe . With respect , we shall have to differ .
Yes, brother you understood correctly I believe Jesus if He chose, He could have given into a temptation and been disobedient to His Father. Hebrews 2:18 says He suffered being tempted and in Hebrews 4:15 Jesus was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Jesus did not have a sinful nature like we do, He was not from man but was conceived in the womb of Mary by the Holy Ghost, He was the second man the last Adam.
The first Adam was not formed with a sinful nature, but he sinned and was disobedient, Jesus was sinless and obedient to the end, Romans 5:19. He had to know how it feels to battle temptations to become our priest and mediator. If Jesus was incapable of giving in to temptation His perfect sinless life has no meaning and if He was not capable of being disobedient being obedient to the Father unto death has no meaning.
The miracles Jesus did were not by His power but by the power of the Holy Ghost that God the Father gave to Him without measure John 3:34-35 Acts 10:38 Jesus said many times it was not His will but the Father's will who sent Him, and He also said the words He spoke were not His but the Father, John12:49-50 That is why Jesus's name is called the Word of God, Revelation 19:13.
Now after God raised Jesus from death, He is at His Father's right hand on the throne of God and has been given power of the throne over all until the last enemy, death is under His feet, Ephesians 1:19-23 Revelation 20:14.
I know you may disagree but that is how I understand it.
God bless,
RLW
The scriptures are our ultimate authority; and as you are probably aware the "Arminian" or free will camp as well as Calvanists have proof texts that are used to pidgeonhole a given doctrine into scripture whether it fits or only partially applies; along with avoiding ones that clearly contradict their hypothesis.
I would submit that there is evidence for both camps in the Word. Other verses may apply to a nation as opposed to individuals in regard to predestination; for instance. I would also say that when taken to an extreme or "hypercalvinism" and repentance isn't preached as a necessary element for salvation when witnessing red flags go off. Calvin; and in fact Luther as a person weren't exactly displaying Godly character; for instance when Silvanus was martyred; or when clearly anti Semitic statements were repeated that Martin Luther said when Hitler came to power. Calvin basically wanted to rule as a king or worldly lord. Also marriage in many cases has been reduced to a contract rather than a covenant which makes people excuse divorce as well as remarriage; and a legalistic framework of the "Westminster Divines" along with endless catechism studies which can run one's faith dry in the process. To be fair the free will camp has some problems in regard to expectations that without God granting repentance as the book of Acts and other verses suggest that anyone can freely come to God. Our decisions are prompted by stirring of the Spirit of God.
In reality; there is no contradiction that man can turn to the Lord and God in His foreknowledge is aware of it; and also predestines it. God is fair ultimately; and whatever number is saved or lost is already established. As Deut. 29:29 suggests WE don't know it however. You know them by their fruits ( Matt. 7:16). One can be a 5 point Calvanist and lost (albeit in the most narrow way possible to hell).
Hope some of this helps.
Agape. Rich P
Jesus knew beforehand who are they as he knew Judas what he would do. But as the Word become flesh his Spirit to give a chance to redeem himself. "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?/He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him."( John 6:70-71). We have an example what good it did to those disciples stayed the course learning from the Master. "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb." ( John 16:29)
" Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."( 1 John 3:2).
So the Spirit present parables as in the case of Blasphemy( of which we discussed in an earlier post from the Father Son relationship of God- Matt.12:31-32) to indicate the kingdom of the Son and kingdom of God. We shall see the Son as he is since we have the same glorious body and our soul establishes His mind working through the body. He is the Head and we belong to one body, the church. What made it all possible? Gospel of God is tagged as 12. When he presented the gospel it was gospel of Christ but the tag remains same. Even where Judas lost his place among the twelve it was necessary to keep the number as same.
In the upper room disciples gathered as commanded, "the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,"(Ac.1:15)
"And the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles."(Ac.1:26)
The Gospel is everlasting gospel is the same so tag 12 shall be basis by which the holy city is measured (12x1000). The single measure man-angel makes Paul, Peter and Matthias of whose ministry we know nothing are interchangeable. We have a clue. "And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating"(Ex.16:18)
"Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable./And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?"
Parables are meant to separate those who are born of the flesh from those who are born of the Spirit. Jesus asking his disciples as mentioned in the key text reveals his disciples were of the same league as that of Nicodemus. But one thing which was crucial for being born of the the Spirit was in favour of St Peter. When many disciples turned away from him Simon Peter believed. " Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life./And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God."( John 6:88-69). This was before the outpouring of the Spirit and his lifeline was alone the word of God as the voice and the sign before him. This is what the Spirit means of having the seed in itself.' Israel made light of it so Jesus castigated them, as blind guides. "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up./Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." (Matt.15:13-14) Here we have the Spirit giving a reason why Jesus spoke to them in parables. "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,/This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me./But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Their heart was far from God. Tell this to the pastors who preach 'prosperity'. In our very midst we have such specimens, Pharisaical in garb of TV preachers. Heaven help us!
Jesus knew beforehand who are they as he knew Judas what he would do. But as the Word become flesh his Spirit to give a chance to redeem himself. "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?/He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him."