My discussions with Jesse are whether the KJB is Holy Ghost inspired (my belief) or if it is not (his belief) not Calvinism, unless I sent an answer, about predestination, to him by mistake.
I would like to say: that you and I are brother and sister in the Lord. I believe you and I both love the Lord dearly and our lives belong to Him. I have said this because I feel it is time to end our discussions on this topic. I don't want to be accused of running a topic into the ground and I think we have said all that can be said for ourselves and others. Please know that I am not angry, hurt, annoyed or anything else. I love you in the Lord, Chris. God Bless :)
Asking for extra strong protection, intervention and breakthrough as well as for much more love, joy, peace, strength, wisdom, guidance, discernment and to walk in the Lord's authority and power doing His work and to live lives pleasing to Him. Asking for us and all in need. Thank you.
I research the differences between the KJV and the NKJV (I read them both) and found this:
The New King James Version (NKJV) and the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible are quite similar, but there are some differences in language, style, and textual sources:
Language Modernization: The NKJV updates the archaic language of the KJV to make it more accessible to contemporary readers. For example, words like "thee" and "thou" are replaced with "you".
Textual Sources: The NKJV includes some textual sources that the KJV does not, such as the Alexandrian manuscripts.
Translation Philosophy: Both versions aim for a word-for-word translation, but the NKJV sometimes uses a thought-for-thought approach to convey the meaning more clearly.
Readability: The NKJV is generally considered easier to read due to its modernized language.
No significant passages or books were removed in the NKJV compared to the KJV.
The differences are mainly in the translation approach and language used.
The KJV Holy Bible can be proven Scripturally to be God's inspired Word. When Jesus prophesied that "This gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached throughout the inhabited earth". If we follow the course of that gospel, it will lead to KJV as the only gospel that has been published to the tune of 6 to 7 billion copies throughout the earth, and many other languages translated from it.
Any Prophecy that has come true is of God.
All these other translations that has had words, sentences, verses, chapters, and books removed, are in violations of Revelations 22 and will be dealt with according to the ramifications stated in said chapter.
I study the KJV Holy Bible for decades and never did I get the idea that God has predestined anyone to be condemned. The Scriptures instructs us to prove all things. I'm not familiar with the specific teachings of Calvinism just like I'm not familiar with the specific teachings of many religions. I place 100% of what I believe on the Holy Bible, and the Holy Spirit to lead me into all truth. As long as we keep our eyes on sound doctrine, we are able to recognize false doctrine when heard.
What does your Holy Bible say about it? If there's something there that appears to support predestined condemnation without the opportunity of repentance, please refer me to it, so that I can review it. But again, Jesus promised that when He leaves, He will send the Holy Spirit to guild us into all truth.
So, there's is no religious doctrine that I am concern with other then what the Lord has revealed to me through His precious Word.
I understand that many false Prophets and false doctrines and false religions, will dominate in the Last Days.
That is why we must be armed with the Word of Truth, so that we can recognize the deceiver and not be lead astray.
Don't put too much effort and energy in the doctrines and interpretation of man.
Keep your eyes on God and He will lead you into all truth.
Romans 5:12->by one MAN sin entered into the world, in the Garden of GOD,...yes, by one MAN sin entered in the world as a whole,and passed upon all men,so death passed upon all men,for that all have sinned, then, in consequence, the earth become without form and void because darkness fell upon the face of the earth as a whole, and it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, and men saw the daughters of men that they were fair; then they took them wives of all which they chose,and GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually, and the earth become a deep abyss. But the Word, the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,GOD is Spirit,self-executing,He did move among those which kept not their first estate,but left their own habitation, giving themselves over to fornication, so our GOD hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this Great Day,the LORD's Day,the seventh and last Day,or seventh and last millennium.They are set forth for an example of suffering of the vengeance of Eternal fire,GOD is a devouring fire.
Then our GOD,planned the restoration of all things- Acts 3:21-as they were in Eden before the sons of GOD had rebelled themselves and sinned.And the first thing our GOD made according to His Plan was to make again His Light shine in the darkness,so JESUS shouted loudly,saying:Let there be light,and there was light.And the Word,GOD the Father,saw the light,that it was good:and He divided the light from the darkness.In this point started a terrible battle against Satan in the first millennium,and our Omnipotent GOD even from a sinful nature brought forth a holy seed for Himself,Abel( Matthew 23:33-35combined with John 8:44-47).And Genesis 5:3-32 describe the generation of the holy seed of GOD,but until the law sin was in the world:but sin was not imputed when there was no Law.
I was recently reminded not to take anything for granted . Many years ago when I was young I had a very close friend , we were best buddies for about ten years . As often happens , our lives took different turns and we lost touch . He was also a good friend with my dad and my dad actually helped him in his career .
My dad is very ill now and coming to the end of his life, he's 76 this August if he gets there . As we do sometimes , I was thinking about his up and
coming funeral and the fact that there would be a lot of people attending and I thought of my old friend . He would definitely attend for sure . I started to look forward to seeing him , giving him a hug , finding out how his family were, talking over old times etc . It would be a bright spot in an otherwise sad day .
My old friend , Peter , aged 61 , died in May . I was devastated .I had been so looking forward to seeing him . My dad was shocked and upset .
We really do have no idea what is going to happen in this life , it's like a handful of rain .
"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." The woman in the wilderness denotes the left out church. 1260 days is a tag placed by the Holy Spirit to distinguish her from the woman in wilderness who chose her place herself. She is Israel who from bondage wandered through the wilderness. So she was first but for her iniquities God set this rule. "After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise."(Nu.14:34) Why 40? 4x10 where the command number 4 signifies the Word become flesh. It was again Christ they rebelled.
In Nu.33 we have a list of 42 way stations where Israel had to stopover, which is a tag placed against them."where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." Indication of Time, -months hour and year is different from day that is decreed for the Son.
Hi Joe , reading through your post and the things that you have asked for , it seems to me that you are on the right track . Being self aware is very important and you seem to have that down ok , next just try to be aware of her , listen to what she says and also to what she doesn't say , not just with her words but her body language too . Be patient , pray to God about this relationship and wait . Wait for the answer . It's not always what we were hoping to hear but as long as we stick with God , He won't steer us wrong .
"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come." In order to understand the sealing of 144,000 we need understand the role of Jesus Christ the Mediator. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."(Gal.3:28)
Having introduced in an earlier post of precious stones with which the 12 foundations of the holy city are adorned let us look at the names of the 12 tribes of the children of Israel.
Here are two verses. "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." and "And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel." (vv.12-14). Three gates on each wall is clear indication of Christ the Mediator. The spiritual significance of gates which shall never be shut is vital for understanding the Redemptive nature of Jesus who with one offering has perfected all who are sanctified. (He.10:14)
These gates are for the righteous nation to enter. (Is.26:1-3) so we need look beyond Israel as a nation but at the 144,000 as those who have been sanctified by Jesus Christ. "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren."(He.2:11). According to the flesh Jesus came of the seed of Abraham. "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel./Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.(Ro.9:6-7). They serve as examples for us fulfilling the saying of Jesus, " So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."(Matt.20:16). In rejecting Christ their place has been given over to another.
Sign of Jesus Christ is 'the name of the Father in the foreheads. They stand on mount Sion in heaven (Re.14:1) The same sign qualifies the group on the earth (vv.4-8). The Spirit tags them as 144,000. What we are shown in v.9 occupy the mid-heaven, all martyrs and given white robes. In Ch.6 we see them under the altar of soul where the sea of glass represents the mid-heaven. "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held."
The heaven, up and down holds a throne, "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God".(Re.4:5). The Word of God as sound is issued in terms of lightening, thunderings and voices. Of the last belongs to what the prophets of old had revealed."God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets" signify these voices.
When God came down "that there were thunders and lightnings." (Ex.19:16). Word of God is sound as well as sign. The latter we see as Gospel casting a halo about which is the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." (2 Co.4:6). This is what we find in the holy city of God."And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones" (Re.21:19; Is.28:16) This foundation is on the same stone laid in Zion, which is in heaven.
In the vision of St John we have God, the Word was God symbolically made manifest. "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald." (4:3)
There is another multitude, which is situated at the lower parts in the up and Down division of the heavens. "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth."(Re.5:13)
"Till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads./And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."
"I heard the number of them" is similar to God remembering Noah; similarly God proving the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah. "And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged;"(Ge.8:1)
God is a Spirit and activities associated with mind and heart of man therefore sets him in terms of the Man who is the visible image of the invisible God. " That God did tempt Abraham" simply means that God set the Patriarch and his only son 'after our likeness' . Ishmael did not count, though was first born. Isaac was the heir of promise and not the son of a bonds-maid. The children of the kingdom to which Noah also belonged was in the book of remembrance. (Mal.3:15-16) In short these actions of hearing or remembering refer to the Spirit of Christ working in heirs of promise. John thus hears the number of 144,000 and it had nothing to do with Israel.
Fulness of Christ in a saint gives him a volume where the kingdom of Christ extends up and down as well as Across. Thus 12x12 x1000 sets him as part of the day. The day of salvation. He is secure and his salvation is assured. On the other hand the children of the wicked are the tares,"The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;/ The enemy that sowed them is the devil."(Matt.13:38-39). In rejecting the prince of Life they chose Caesars of this world. "These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."(Re.17:13)
Jesus referred their position in the kingdom in terms of 'your hour of darkness.'.
There's a girl that I've met that I like, but I'm not where I need to be financially right now. I had something happen in April and it changed my financial circumstances quite a bit. There's other areas also, but I'm too ashamed to mention them. I want to respect her and do what's right, not necessarily what I would prefer to seek. I need strengthening in this and help to be a friend towards her, and to be more candid. I do really like her, and this does really challenge me, but we've just kind of started talking and I want her to know where I'm coming from. Would you pray I'm granted courage and discernment with being upfront with her and accepting that she may not want more than friendship? Would you pray I'm sensitive and obedient to Jesus' leading and He would help me grow as a person? Thank you.
Re.71-2 "The earth, nor on the sea, nor on the trees (2 of 2)
"He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things." (Ep.4:10-12) Up or down Jesus Christ as the Word become flesh is made up of 4x3=12. Fall of Babylon signified the stone "like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea," Cf. with the stone cut not with hands in the Daniel's vision.
In short Gospel is tied up with the Man component while the word of God is associated with the Word. ( John 1:1) Judgment was upon the seas and consequently Babylon shall not be found anymore.
The earth abides forever since he is the world made to appear and children of the kingdom shall reign with him in the day of Regeneration; with regards to the sea we have the Parable of the Dragnet, the good has to be gathered into vessels. "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:/Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away."(Matt.13:47-48)
The angel ascending from the east points to the angels associated with the Son of man. "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."(Matt.24:27; 30-31)
East is associated with Eden the Mountain of God in the vision of Ezekiel. The nations moved farther to the east after the great flood. It is thus unless we take the cues supplied by the Spirit of God we have doctrines of men. Universalism for example, posits that eventually the wicked also shall be let into the kingdom of God. The Word is clear,"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth./Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear."
"The earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree./And I saw another angel ascending from the east"
Before we go into the significance of the number 12 let us explain what the first two verses present which explains the kingdom of God up and down as well as the world from one end of the heaven to other end. "TheLordsitteth upon the flood; yea, theLordsitteth King for ever." (Ps,29:10)
This is same as the Spirit of God moving upon the face of the waters. In St John's vision we see it represented up and down. "Behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."(Re.4:3)
"And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God." Here we get an idea what moved upon the face. The Lamb "having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth" supplies specifically the spirit of Christ as the Parable of the Tares teaches the world as a field. "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;/The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."(Matt.13:38-39; Re.5:6) Here we have thus kingdom of God up and down as well as across where children of the kingdom stand cheek in jowl with children of the wicked one. In the narrative of Joseph and his brethren, obviously those who sold him to the Ishmeelites were wicked.
After the Ascension of Jesus Christ the angel inform the disciples thus, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."(Ac.1:11) St Paul also confirms it. "He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things." (Ep.4:10-12)
Dear Sister , I agree with you . It does seem like some kind of cruel joke , for a god to create a human being only to damn that human to eternal torture in hell .
God is not cruel . So , logically , if God is not cruel.....
Maybe people , souls , are not condemned to suffer eternal torture in hell if they have either rejected Christ or , have never even heard of him . Maybe , they are just dead .Gone . Ceased to exist and know nothing and suffer nothing but.....the wages of sin , which is ? Death .
For some reason this is more terrifying to some , than the thought of eternal damnation in hell .
Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them and....lead us not into temptation...what temptation ? The request not to lead us into temptation comes straight after forgive us as we forgive others. What could be the temptation ? The temptation that comes straight after forgive us as we forgive others ? The temptation that we all feel sometimes which is vengeance , vengeance on another human that we believe has sinned , maybe against us , maybe against someone we love or maybe just a horrible person who had done something evil to someone else whom we haven't even met .
Vengeance is mine sayeth the LORD . I will repay .
Lead us not into temptation .
The wages of sin is death .
Put these scriptures together and understand .
God is love .
May God bless all who seek His truth with an open heart .
Concluding thoughts on God's conception of good and evil vs. man's
My last post discussed seemingly contradictory facets of God's character. Ultimately the truth of some of this can be found with Christ; who atones for sinful man and is the ultimate and final intercessor. Nonetheless He gave Moses at least a unique position to intercede in a similar role. There are other examples such as Gideon in Judges where he asked the sun and moon to stand still which is stated to be unique. Some things we consider unique to Christ often overlook many similar miracles that He worked through Elijah including seeing someone rise from the dead (after administering a sort of CPR); multiplying food as for others as well as himself during famine and many other things. Christ uniquely was able to heal a blind man accoring to the Gospel in John 9; perhaps that is why the whole chapter is on that subject and the persecution of the man was so fierce since the Pharisees hated God to work outside their own perception of proper boundaries.
Back to the subject of destruction of different nations; the logic can be found in regard to their sins reaching a certain point with child sacrifice; idol worship; etc. but still seeing children being killed isn't easy to stomach. We have the same feeling as Jeremiah the "weeping prophet" when thinking of a book like Lamentations; as well as much of the book of Jeremiah seeing the horror of God's judgment where mothers would eat their own children. In this matter we once again can look to the concept of killing vs murder. If someone was to go out and kill a bunch of innocent children of course it would be murder. That is different than a police officer shooting a guilty armed offender or an army fighting and killing an opposing force that presented a clear and present danger. Of course each army would justify their own actions. That leads us to Joshua 5:13-15 where the angel is on Gods side
The fall of man: God's view of good and evil vs. man's
I will call this Part 2. A brief survey of scripture to the unenlightened easily could lead to the conclusion that the Lord is very schizophrenic; paranoid; moody and cruel along with many other apparently contradictory actions and behaviors. Let us approach this subject for a moment from that skeptical viewpoint. I expect the readers at this point to say what??? why??
Okay; let's think for a moment. Those who believe; and rightly so that God's Word is inspired and is useful for all things as 2 Tim. 3:16 says are able to take a framework of promises to believers and basic moral commands such as the 10 Commandments and more or less gain a perspective to the general laws which mankind is expected to adhere to and through that come up with a beginning knowledge of the lawgiver Himself; hopefully praising God as with Psalm 119 for His commandments and statutes; loving God and realizing that it is only in Him that we are able to fulfill these commands.
Well and good. But to avoid a merely surface level or Parasitical mindset we need to understand that we can't comprehend certain hidden things of the Lord as Deuteronomy 29:29 indicates. There are other verses that suggest ( Proverbs 25:2) kings and priests search these mysteries out at least to some extent. Okay back to the Atheist or skeptic.
Why does God care so much about a bird's nest to preserve it ( Deut. 22:6; a mother is not to be taken with her young); but then the Lord says to destroy men women and children ( Deut. 20:14) just two chapters before? Why does the Lord say let me alone that I may destroy these people and start a new generation with Moses ( Exodus 32:9-14) and yet He "repents" or changes His mind after Moses intercedes? The same sort of seemingly conflicted behavior occurs with Edom in the book of Hosea 8:8-11 in terms there of Ephriam where He seems to be unwilling to carry out the judgments in surrounding verses.
Part 1: The corruption of the universe after the fall.
(Sorry I missed deleting some of my later commentary in the last posting).
In the song "Leaving Eden" at least Brandon Heath's version gives a sobering reminder of man's decay and plight. God has as Ecclesiastes states put eternity in their hearts ( Ecclesiastes 3:11); one aspect of which is always looking back to Eden or finding something that pleases the five senses to give the illusion that we can once again retreat to our own utopia.
One look at our bodies in the mirror after a few decades reminds us of reality. The destruction of the outer shell made from the dust of the earth is the fate of all of us due to what is known as the 2nd law of thermodynamics where all things in the universe at present are in a state of decay. The soul of unregenerate man has nothing to hold onto but memories; which become more and more corrupted and delusional as our mind deteriorates and sin hardens men's hearts. The conscience becomes more and more seared and eventually sin has its full result leading to death; which is spiritual death once the body dies. In reality one is dead spiritually even when living on this earth without Christ. (read Romans 6).
The good news is that before we know the law we are innocent ( Romans 7:9). This would appear to be another verse showing how those before a certain age of accountability have a sin nature but don't understand enough to deliberately sin against God.
We shudder to think of events such as a 5 year old getting hold of a gun and killing a parent or sibling although it does happen. Surely they wouldn't be convicted for murder. I have said this before; that it isn't one's fault that they are born this way; but it is if they are old enough to decide to live it out and remain that way as man has a conscience at least before totally seared ( Romans 2:15). See also 1 Timothy 4:2. In my next posting I am going to discuss man's vs. God's understanding of good and evil.
In this segment I am going to attempt to discuss many facets of sin; from the corruptible flesh we currently possess to the contamination of the soul resulting in eternal death. In comparison to the saved soul of course eternal fates are polar opposites.
I plan on discussing some of what man was meant to be before the fall; which in some context may play out in the Millennial period which is the day of rest for God played out in the last 1000 years of earth's existence which is a sort of Sabbath rest bringing peace to the whole world.
I am going to pray here and send this message; Lord pity us for you know we are but dust ( Psalm 103:14). We all mourn as doves for our sins ( Isaiah 59:11). I pray that as painful as it is the readers will understand the levels and depth of our state and this will lead someone to repentance. May we heed as Proverbs states flee from wickedness ( Proverbs 4:15) as it relates to others; and to ourselves ( 1 Cor. 6:18; 2 Tim. 2:22). Help us realize that all of our value comes from His life in us; and all the associations we have are only importance in what remains eternally. This world is going down; let us approach it with patience as we are told to in the last days ( James 5:7). Let us be filled with the Spirit to understand the indignation to come and proclaim it as a trumpet; and have the boldness to extricate ourselves especially from those who claim to be Christians but are living in lifestyles of sin as it corrupts the camp and grieves the Spirit. May we love the praise of God more than that of men ( John 12:43 stands as a warning not to do the opposite). Lord help us all to weep because of our sin; yet especially because of His mercy which is new every morning ( Lamentations 3:22-23).
to the destruction of the outer shell made from the dust of the earth that is the fate of all of us due to what is known as the 2nd law of thermodynamics where all things in the universe at present are in a state of decay
I am hopeful some of this commentary will help complement the planned transcendence of God that Gigi is planning to post.
A summary of concepts
How God's Spirit along with His angels compare with Satan's minions experientially; and substantively.
Man's role in covenant with God in all facets of His existence.
How things in heavenly places are the controlling factors that activate things in the earthly realm and bring things to pass.
How incorruption rules in celestial bodies compared with corruption in our old bodies
Introduction: This series attempts a deep dive as it were into understanding the big picture of how the world; flesh and the devil work in contrast with the Godhead. I am also attempting to study how the concept of the antichrist system as well as the final Beast are both opposed to and a substitute for the true God. The bottom line in that concept demonstrates how unregenerate man simply doesn't have the capacity to comprehend things outside of their experience; or those which fallen beings as emissaries of Satan have implanted in their brains which appear on the surface to be the same miracles that come from the true Christ.
Before exploring all these themes; we first must look at God's exalted position over all of His creation; or as will be brought out in an upcoming posting; His "transcendence". All the Omni (present; potent; scient) characteristics; timelessness and limitless attributes worthy of eternal praise have allowed all things to be created and as some other postings have discussed of late; given man a time to be born and a time to die ( Ecclesiastes 3:2). All things whether we understand it or not fit into His plan from creation of this world to the inception of the new and eternal one when heaven comes down to earth in Revelation 22.
Attempting to create our own kingdom on earth brings the wisdom of man to still be below the "foolishness of God" ( 1 Cor. 1:25).
Matthew 22:3 - And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Notice in the King James that it says to call them that were bidden. In the Greek text, it is called the Perfect Tense. And it's literally translated, "The ones who had been invited." So, you see the invitation has already taken place. That's how the Perfect Tense works there.
From the Greek, it is telling us that they are in the condition of already having been invited, and they are there now to say okay, this is the culmination of it all, the fulfillment of it all. So, to call the ones that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Literally, they did not desire to come. Just to say no at the calling is an insult because they sent the invitations out and nobody replied back and said we are not coming. They planned all the food. But this is a king too! You don't have any choice with the king. They said, no, tell them we are not coming. So, it went back and got reported.
Matthew 22:5 - But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
First of all, they made light of it. In the Greek text, it literally means "they did not care," Zero! So, when the servants came and said, look it is all ready, they said we don't care. We don't want to go. They didn't care!
My discussions with Jesse are whether the KJB is Holy Ghost inspired (my belief) or if it is not (his belief) not Calvinism, unless I sent an answer, about predestination, to him by mistake.
I would like to say: that you and I are brother and sister in the Lord. I believe you and I both love the Lord dearly and our lives belong to Him. I have said this because I feel it is time to end our discussions on this topic. I don't want to be accused of running a topic into the ground and I think we have said all that can be said for ourselves and others. Please know that I am not angry, hurt, annoyed or anything else. I love you in the Lord, Chris. God Bless :)
The New King James Version (NKJV) and the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible are quite similar, but there are some differences in language, style, and textual sources:
Language Modernization: The NKJV updates the archaic language of the KJV to make it more accessible to contemporary readers. For example, words like "thee" and "thou" are replaced with "you".
Textual Sources: The NKJV includes some textual sources that the KJV does not, such as the Alexandrian manuscripts.
Translation Philosophy: Both versions aim for a word-for-word translation, but the NKJV sometimes uses a thought-for-thought approach to convey the meaning more clearly.
Readability: The NKJV is generally considered easier to read due to its modernized language.
No significant passages or books were removed in the NKJV compared to the KJV.
The differences are mainly in the translation approach and language used.
Any Prophecy that has come true is of God.
All these other translations that has had words, sentences, verses, chapters, and books removed, are in violations of Revelations 22 and will be dealt with according to the ramifications stated in said chapter.
God bless.
What does your Holy Bible say about it? If there's something there that appears to support predestined condemnation without the opportunity of repentance, please refer me to it, so that I can review it. But again, Jesus promised that when He leaves, He will send the Holy Spirit to guild us into all truth.
So, there's is no religious doctrine that I am concern with other then what the Lord has revealed to me through His precious Word.
I understand that many false Prophets and false doctrines and false religions, will dominate in the Last Days.
That is why we must be armed with the Word of Truth, so that we can recognize the deceiver and not be lead astray.
Don't put too much effort and energy in the doctrines and interpretation of man.
Keep your eyes on God and He will lead you into all truth.
God Bless.
Romans 5:12->by one MAN sin entered into the world, in the Garden of GOD,...yes, by one MAN sin entered in the world as a whole,and passed upon all men,so death passed upon all men,for that all have sinned, then, in consequence, the earth become without form and void because darkness fell upon the face of the earth as a whole, and it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, and men saw the daughters of men that they were fair; then they took them wives of all which they chose,and GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually, and the earth become a deep abyss. But the Word, the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,GOD is Spirit,self-executing,He did move among those which kept not their first estate,but left their own habitation, giving themselves over to fornication, so our GOD hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this Great Day,the LORD's Day,the seventh and last Day,or seventh and last millennium.They are set forth for an example of suffering of the vengeance of Eternal fire,GOD is a devouring fire.
Then our GOD,planned the restoration of all things- Acts 3:21-as they were in Eden before the sons of GOD had rebelled themselves and sinned.And the first thing our GOD made according to His Plan was to make again His Light shine in the darkness,so JESUS shouted loudly,saying:Let there be light,and there was light.And the Word,GOD the Father,saw the light,that it was good:and He divided the light from the darkness.In this point started a terrible battle against Satan in the first millennium,and our Omnipotent GOD even from a sinful nature brought forth a holy seed for Himself,Abel( Matthew 23:33-35combined with John 8:44-47).And Genesis 5:3-32 describe the generation of the holy seed of GOD,but until the law sin was in the world:but sin was not imputed when there was no Law.
GOD BLESS
My dad is very ill now and coming to the end of his life, he's 76 this August if he gets there . As we do sometimes , I was thinking about his up and
coming funeral and the fact that there would be a lot of people attending and I thought of my old friend . He would definitely attend for sure . I started to look forward to seeing him , giving him a hug , finding out how his family were, talking over old times etc . It would be a bright spot in an otherwise sad day .
My old friend , Peter , aged 61 , died in May . I was devastated .I had been so looking forward to seeing him . My dad was shocked and upset .
We really do have no idea what is going to happen in this life , it's like a handful of rain .
"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." The woman in the wilderness denotes the left out church. 1260 days is a tag placed by the Holy Spirit to distinguish her from the woman in wilderness who chose her place herself. She is Israel who from bondage wandered through the wilderness. So she was first but for her iniquities God set this rule. "After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise."(Nu.14:34) Why 40? 4x10 where the command number 4 signifies the Word become flesh. It was again Christ they rebelled.
In Nu.33 we have a list of 42 way stations where Israel had to stopover, which is a tag placed against them."where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." Indication of Time, -months hour and year is different from day that is decreed for the Son.
"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come." In order to understand the sealing of 144,000 we need understand the role of Jesus Christ the Mediator. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."(Gal.3:28)
Having introduced in an earlier post of precious stones with which the 12 foundations of the holy city are adorned let us look at the names of the 12 tribes of the children of Israel.
Here are two verses. "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." and "And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel." (vv.12-14). Three gates on each wall is clear indication of Christ the Mediator. The spiritual significance of gates which shall never be shut is vital for understanding the Redemptive nature of Jesus who with one offering has perfected all who are sanctified. (He.10:14)
These gates are for the righteous nation to enter. (Is.26:1-3) so we need look beyond Israel as a nation but at the 144,000 as those who have been sanctified by Jesus Christ. "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren."(He.2:11). According to the flesh Jesus came of the seed of Abraham. "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel./Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.(Ro.9:6-7). They serve as examples for us fulfilling the saying of Jesus, " So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."(Matt.20:16). In rejecting Christ their place has been given over to another.
Sign of Jesus Christ is 'the name of the Father in the foreheads. They stand on mount Sion in heaven (Re.14:1) The same sign qualifies the group on the earth (vv.4-8). The Spirit tags them as 144,000. What we are shown in v.9 occupy the mid-heaven, all martyrs and given white robes. In Ch.6 we see them under the altar of soul where the sea of glass represents the mid-heaven. "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held."
The heaven, up and down holds a throne, "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God".(Re.4:5). The Word of God as sound is issued in terms of lightening, thunderings and voices. Of the last belongs to what the prophets of old had revealed."God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets" signify these voices.
When God came down "that there were thunders and lightnings." (Ex.19:16). Word of God is sound as well as sign. The latter we see as Gospel casting a halo about which is the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." (2 Co.4:6). This is what we find in the holy city of God."And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones" (Re.21:19; Is.28:16) This foundation is on the same stone laid in Zion, which is in heaven.
In the vision of St John we have God, the Word was God symbolically made manifest. "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald." (4:3)
There is another multitude, which is situated at the lower parts in the up and Down division of the heavens. "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth."(Re.5:13)
"Till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads./And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."
"I heard the number of them" is similar to God remembering Noah; similarly God proving the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah. "And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged;"(Ge.8:1)
God is a Spirit and activities associated with mind and heart of man therefore sets him in terms of the Man who is the visible image of the invisible God. " That God did tempt Abraham" simply means that God set the Patriarch and his only son 'after our likeness' . Ishmael did not count, though was first born. Isaac was the heir of promise and not the son of a bonds-maid. The children of the kingdom to which Noah also belonged was in the book of remembrance. (Mal.3:15-16) In short these actions of hearing or remembering refer to the Spirit of Christ working in heirs of promise. John thus hears the number of 144,000 and it had nothing to do with Israel.
Fulness of Christ in a saint gives him a volume where the kingdom of Christ extends up and down as well as Across. Thus 12x12 x1000 sets him as part of the day. The day of salvation. He is secure and his salvation is assured. On the other hand the children of the wicked are the tares,"The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;/ The enemy that sowed them is the devil."(Matt.13:38-39). In rejecting the prince of Life they chose Caesars of this world. "These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."(Re.17:13)
Jesus referred their position in the kingdom in terms of 'your hour of darkness.'.
"He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things." (Ep.4:10-12) Up or down Jesus Christ as the Word become flesh is made up of 4x3=12. Fall of Babylon signified the stone "like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea," Cf. with the stone cut not with hands in the Daniel's vision.
In short Gospel is tied up with the Man component while the word of God is associated with the Word. ( John 1:1) Judgment was upon the seas and consequently Babylon shall not be found anymore.
The earth abides forever since he is the world made to appear and children of the kingdom shall reign with him in the day of Regeneration; with regards to the sea we have the Parable of the Dragnet, the good has to be gathered into vessels. "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:/Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away."(Matt.13:47-48)
The angel ascending from the east points to the angels associated with the Son of man. "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."(Matt.24:27; 30-31)
East is associated with Eden the Mountain of God in the vision of Ezekiel. The nations moved farther to the east after the great flood. It is thus unless we take the cues supplied by the Spirit of God we have doctrines of men. Universalism for example, posits that eventually the wicked also shall be let into the kingdom of God. The Word is clear,"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth./Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear."
"The earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree./And I saw another angel ascending from the east"
Before we go into the significance of the number 12 let us explain what the first two verses present which explains the kingdom of God up and down as well as the world from one end of the heaven to other end. "TheLordsitteth upon the flood; yea, theLordsitteth King for ever." (Ps,29:10)
This is same as the Spirit of God moving upon the face of the waters. In St John's vision we see it represented up and down. "Behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."(Re.4:3)
"And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God." Here we get an idea what moved upon the face. The Lamb "having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth" supplies specifically the spirit of Christ as the Parable of the Tares teaches the world as a field. "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;/The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."(Matt.13:38-39; Re.5:6) Here we have thus kingdom of God up and down as well as across where children of the kingdom stand cheek in jowl with children of the wicked one. In the narrative of Joseph and his brethren, obviously those who sold him to the Ishmeelites were wicked.
After the Ascension of Jesus Christ the angel inform the disciples thus, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."(Ac.1:11) St Paul also confirms it. "He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things." (Ep.4:10-12)
God is not cruel . So , logically , if God is not cruel.....
Maybe people , souls , are not condemned to suffer eternal torture in hell if they have either rejected Christ or , have never even heard of him . Maybe , they are just dead .Gone . Ceased to exist and know nothing and suffer nothing but.....the wages of sin , which is ? Death .
For some reason this is more terrifying to some , than the thought of eternal damnation in hell .
Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them and....lead us not into temptation...what temptation ? The request not to lead us into temptation comes straight after forgive us as we forgive others. What could be the temptation ? The temptation that comes straight after forgive us as we forgive others ? The temptation that we all feel sometimes which is vengeance , vengeance on another human that we believe has sinned , maybe against us , maybe against someone we love or maybe just a horrible person who had done something evil to someone else whom we haven't even met .
Vengeance is mine sayeth the LORD . I will repay .
Lead us not into temptation .
The wages of sin is death .
Put these scriptures together and understand .
God is love .
May God bless all who seek His truth with an open heart .
Concluding thoughts on God's conception of good and evil vs. man's
My last post discussed seemingly contradictory facets of God's character. Ultimately the truth of some of this can be found with Christ; who atones for sinful man and is the ultimate and final intercessor. Nonetheless He gave Moses at least a unique position to intercede in a similar role. There are other examples such as Gideon in Judges where he asked the sun and moon to stand still which is stated to be unique. Some things we consider unique to Christ often overlook many similar miracles that He worked through Elijah including seeing someone rise from the dead (after administering a sort of CPR); multiplying food as for others as well as himself during famine and many other things. Christ uniquely was able to heal a blind man accoring to the Gospel in John 9; perhaps that is why the whole chapter is on that subject and the persecution of the man was so fierce since the Pharisees hated God to work outside their own perception of proper boundaries.
Back to the subject of destruction of different nations; the logic can be found in regard to their sins reaching a certain point with child sacrifice; idol worship; etc. but still seeing children being killed isn't easy to stomach. We have the same feeling as Jeremiah the "weeping prophet" when thinking of a book like Lamentations; as well as much of the book of Jeremiah seeing the horror of God's judgment where mothers would eat their own children. In this matter we once again can look to the concept of killing vs murder. If someone was to go out and kill a bunch of innocent children of course it would be murder. That is different than a police officer shooting a guilty armed offender or an army fighting and killing an opposing force that presented a clear and present danger. Of course each army would justify their own actions. That leads us to Joshua 5:13-15 where the angel is on Gods side
I will call this Part 2. A brief survey of scripture to the unenlightened easily could lead to the conclusion that the Lord is very schizophrenic; paranoid; moody and cruel along with many other apparently contradictory actions and behaviors. Let us approach this subject for a moment from that skeptical viewpoint. I expect the readers at this point to say what??? why??
Okay; let's think for a moment. Those who believe; and rightly so that God's Word is inspired and is useful for all things as 2 Tim. 3:16 says are able to take a framework of promises to believers and basic moral commands such as the 10 Commandments and more or less gain a perspective to the general laws which mankind is expected to adhere to and through that come up with a beginning knowledge of the lawgiver Himself; hopefully praising God as with Psalm 119 for His commandments and statutes; loving God and realizing that it is only in Him that we are able to fulfill these commands.
Well and good. But to avoid a merely surface level or Parasitical mindset we need to understand that we can't comprehend certain hidden things of the Lord as Deuteronomy 29:29 indicates. There are other verses that suggest ( Proverbs 25:2) kings and priests search these mysteries out at least to some extent. Okay back to the Atheist or skeptic.
Why does God care so much about a bird's nest to preserve it ( Deut. 22:6; a mother is not to be taken with her young); but then the Lord says to destroy men women and children ( Deut. 20:14) just two chapters before? Why does the Lord say let me alone that I may destroy these people and start a new generation with Moses ( Exodus 32:9-14) and yet He "repents" or changes His mind after Moses intercedes? The same sort of seemingly conflicted behavior occurs with Edom in the book of Hosea 8:8-11 in terms there of Ephriam where He seems to be unwilling to carry out the judgments in surrounding verses.
(Sorry I missed deleting some of my later commentary in the last posting).
In the song "Leaving Eden" at least Brandon Heath's version gives a sobering reminder of man's decay and plight. God has as Ecclesiastes states put eternity in their hearts ( Ecclesiastes 3:11); one aspect of which is always looking back to Eden or finding something that pleases the five senses to give the illusion that we can once again retreat to our own utopia.
One look at our bodies in the mirror after a few decades reminds us of reality. The destruction of the outer shell made from the dust of the earth is the fate of all of us due to what is known as the 2nd law of thermodynamics where all things in the universe at present are in a state of decay. The soul of unregenerate man has nothing to hold onto but memories; which become more and more corrupted and delusional as our mind deteriorates and sin hardens men's hearts. The conscience becomes more and more seared and eventually sin has its full result leading to death; which is spiritual death once the body dies. In reality one is dead spiritually even when living on this earth without Christ. (read Romans 6).
The good news is that before we know the law we are innocent ( Romans 7:9). This would appear to be another verse showing how those before a certain age of accountability have a sin nature but don't understand enough to deliberately sin against God.
We shudder to think of events such as a 5 year old getting hold of a gun and killing a parent or sibling although it does happen. Surely they wouldn't be convicted for murder. I have said this before; that it isn't one's fault that they are born this way; but it is if they are old enough to decide to live it out and remain that way as man has a conscience at least before totally seared ( Romans 2:15). See also 1 Timothy 4:2. In my next posting I am going to discuss man's vs. God's understanding of good and evil.
I plan on discussing some of what man was meant to be before the fall; which in some context may play out in the Millennial period which is the day of rest for God played out in the last 1000 years of earth's existence which is a sort of Sabbath rest bringing peace to the whole world.
I am going to pray here and send this message; Lord pity us for you know we are but dust ( Psalm 103:14). We all mourn as doves for our sins ( Isaiah 59:11). I pray that as painful as it is the readers will understand the levels and depth of our state and this will lead someone to repentance. May we heed as Proverbs states flee from wickedness ( Proverbs 4:15) as it relates to others; and to ourselves ( 1 Cor. 6:18; 2 Tim. 2:22). Help us realize that all of our value comes from His life in us; and all the associations we have are only importance in what remains eternally. This world is going down; let us approach it with patience as we are told to in the last days ( James 5:7). Let us be filled with the Spirit to understand the indignation to come and proclaim it as a trumpet; and have the boldness to extricate ourselves especially from those who claim to be Christians but are living in lifestyles of sin as it corrupts the camp and grieves the Spirit. May we love the praise of God more than that of men ( John 12:43 stands as a warning not to do the opposite). Lord help us all to weep because of our sin; yet especially because of His mercy which is new every morning ( Lamentations 3:22-23).
to the destruction of the outer shell made from the dust of the earth that is the fate of all of us due to what is known as the 2nd law of thermodynamics where all things in the universe at present are in a state of decay
A summary of concepts
How God's Spirit along with His angels compare with Satan's minions experientially; and substantively.
Man's role in covenant with God in all facets of His existence.
How things in heavenly places are the controlling factors that activate things in the earthly realm and bring things to pass.
How incorruption rules in celestial bodies compared with corruption in our old bodies
Introduction: This series attempts a deep dive as it were into understanding the big picture of how the world; flesh and the devil work in contrast with the Godhead. I am also attempting to study how the concept of the antichrist system as well as the final Beast are both opposed to and a substitute for the true God. The bottom line in that concept demonstrates how unregenerate man simply doesn't have the capacity to comprehend things outside of their experience; or those which fallen beings as emissaries of Satan have implanted in their brains which appear on the surface to be the same miracles that come from the true Christ.
Before exploring all these themes; we first must look at God's exalted position over all of His creation; or as will be brought out in an upcoming posting; His "transcendence". All the Omni (present; potent; scient) characteristics; timelessness and limitless attributes worthy of eternal praise have allowed all things to be created and as some other postings have discussed of late; given man a time to be born and a time to die ( Ecclesiastes 3:2). All things whether we understand it or not fit into His plan from creation of this world to the inception of the new and eternal one when heaven comes down to earth in Revelation 22.
Attempting to create our own kingdom on earth brings the wisdom of man to still be below the "foolishness of God" ( 1 Cor. 1:25).
I agree.
Some teachings makes God out to be a serial killer when they insist God CHOOSES some to be lost rather than God KNOWS who will be lost.
With that view, you are predestinated by luck, Not God's foreknowledge.
God bless.
God bless
Matthew 22:3 - And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Notice in the King James that it says to call them that were bidden. In the Greek text, it is called the Perfect Tense. And it's literally translated, "The ones who had been invited." So, you see the invitation has already taken place. That's how the Perfect Tense works there.
From the Greek, it is telling us that they are in the condition of already having been invited, and they are there now to say okay, this is the culmination of it all, the fulfillment of it all. So, to call the ones that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Literally, they did not desire to come. Just to say no at the calling is an insult because they sent the invitations out and nobody replied back and said we are not coming. They planned all the food. But this is a king too! You don't have any choice with the king. They said, no, tell them we are not coming. So, it went back and got reported.
Matthew 22:5 - But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
First of all, they made light of it. In the Greek text, it literally means "they did not care," Zero! So, when the servants came and said, look it is all ready, they said we don't care. We don't want to go. They didn't care!