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  • Jesse - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

    (Part 2):

    It is a fascinating study just to study all the feasts of the Jews and how the feasts of the Jews just happened to fall on the major events in Christ's life.

    His birth was the Feast of Tabernacles. Pentecost was the coming of the Holy Spirit. Passover: the time of His death. Unleavened bread: His burial. First fruits: His resurrection. If you ever have the time to do so, it's interesting and worth looking into.

    But they actually have a day that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is called Rosh Hashanah. They call it a 48-hour period, but it can last longer. It can last up to 72 hours before they see the new moon.

    Now this means also that the new moon can already be out and they not see it because of the cloud cover. And because they can't see it, they can't blow the horn. They actually have to be able to physically see it. So, it could take up to three days. Fascinating!

    God Bless!!!
  • Jesse - 7 months ago
    Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

    (Part 1):

    It is very interesting how we have a lot of predictions on when Jesus is coming back. I would like to share a little bit of information, and that's all it is, just information. I'm not telling you that I follow it, but I just think it's interesting how the Messianic Jews view this verse.

    "Nobody knows the day or the hour, not even angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

    The Jews actually have a day in their calendar that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is the first day on what is called Rosh Hashanah.

    On the first day of Rosh Hashanah, which doesn't start on a date. It starts when the observers (the scouts), first see the first sliver of the new moon, and they blow the shofar (Ram's Horn), and then Rosh Hashanah starts. But it can take two or three days before they see the new moon.

    Messianic Jews believe that Jesus, at His second coming, is coming on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. All other activities in the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, even the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there is only one feast left, and that's Rosh Hashanah that has not been fulfilled.

    And they believe that Christ is coming back on that day "because nobody knows the day or the hour," because it goes two or three days. It is not a set time. And they also associate the blowing of the trumpet; the blowing of the shofar, will be introducing the coming of Christ.
  • S Spencer - 7 months ago
    Deuteronomy 6:4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

    In Hebrew.

    Deuteronomy 6:4Hear, O Israel: The yehvh our (lhym) is one yehvh
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    John 14:9 Jesus Christ as a sign" (2 of 2)

    Jesus Christ is the Visible image of the invisible God and in the worlds framed by the word of God he is the Man component in the Father son relationship (He.11:3) So when Jesus Christ declares "Before Abraham was, I am" we have an example to what 'After our likeness" means. God the Father, the Son and the Spirit has in the Man validated triadic motives. For instance the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Re.13:8) is in the divine Will; he is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. He is also the Light , "And the Lamb is the light thereof"-Re.21:23) In short Principle of Similitude sets the the lamb as a motif that shall have modes all related to Trinity. The Word becoming flesh therefore gives an emblem in the Will and it signifies Redemption by his death on the cross. In eternity the true Light reveals the brightness of His glory so throne of God and of the Lamb encapsulates the blessings stipulated in the everlasting covenant.

    God's promise to Abraham consequently devolves from this covenant (Ge.12:3) so whosoever is blessed is not tied to time and place but set from everlasting to everlasting.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Prayer. The second thing which is repeatedly mentioned on my postings is the need for prayer. It wouldn't hurt (and i'm talking to myself here as well) to pray even before getting on this site and involving ourselves in discussion.

    Emotions tend to rule the day with many issues that bring contention. It seems often questions about a topic are repeated and when answers are given the recipient should also pray about it before drawing conclusions; not to mention have a mind set against any responses that aren't what is palatable at the time. I'd much rather have a disagreement with someone who clearly loves the Lord and cares to respond to my prayer requests than someone who agrees and is rather detached from what's going on around them. That being said; I definitely feel I have been more needy in that regard and should be thinking of others more.

    If we really care about others more than ourselves it is their well being along with the integrity of God's Word that motivates us.

    We must trust God will show others the truth if indeed they are seeking it but misguided.

    In general God's truth goes against the flesh; but our heavenly Father doesn't have to use intimidation tactics to control us. The healthy fear of the Lord; of course is the precedent for all true wisdom from above. His children are chastised but not destroyed.

    Finally; in regard to the postings here I will state the obvious that we won't understand all the mysteries of God ( Deut. 29:29). There are many times however when a Greek word or other language can have multiple correct interpretations or meanings so it isn't necessarily right or wrong with translations. Some things from practical perspectives help; such as reading commentaries; carefully studying cross references and general patterns of scripture; cultural things at the time; etc. Let us all pray for wisdom; and edification and growth here and not unnecessary division. Some may walk away from God some remain.
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    John 14:9 "Jesus as the Sign" (1 of 2)

    "He that has seen me has seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?"

    Trinity is not only God having three distinct personalities but also serve as the Word which Jesus demonstrate here with works. "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."(v.10)

    In Psalm we have it and its practical application. " He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions."(Ps.107:20). In Bethesda Jesus told the man with palsy, "Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk./And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked." ( John 5:8-9) Before the worlds began he sent forth his word (Is.55:11). The same word Jesus proves at specific time and place works. When John in his Gospel speaks of the Word becoming flesh it is validation of Jesus as the Logos. The Word was God. ( John 1:1-2) So trinity has "our image" in the manner man has body, soul and spirit. All three work as one. While the Word is a sound it is a sign also. Since Jesus Christ serves as a sign from heaven, the same word of God can present as sign as Isaiah refers to him and his children as signs and wonders. (Is.8:18)

    The same word in us as a seed is what the breath of God in us signifies. It is truth and it sanctifies us. that can only be by faith. It is what Jesus was driving at in this short colloquy with Philip. The words that Jesus spoke were those of his Father and he made them work. So Jesus commands the man with palsy and he was healed.

    Man is created "After our image" so the bread from heaven and the word in us albeit as a seed holds similitude. Principle of Similitude sets heaven and earth on a single standard. The upper and lower in a millstone holds true. "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone." (Re.18:21)
  • Jaz - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi , having trouble with my internet at the moment . Trouble accessing this site etc , hope to get it sorted and be able to continue messaging . Love to you all in Christ .
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Ps.87:1-3 "Gates of Zion"

    Blessings we counted in Seven days and these lead us to the Rest where God rested from his labours. "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."(Ge.2:3) What is the work of God that we may do? It is to believe in the Son whom he sent. "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."( John 6:29)

    This Rest is compared to the House which wisdom built and it has seven pillars (Pr.9:1) As with seven pillars it has seven foundations. God asks, "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." ( Job 38:4) It is called Zion.The Tabernacle of God among men is his holy habitation. "His foundation is in the holy mountains./The Lord loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob./ Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah."(Ps.87:1-3). The everlasting covenant in seven days relate to seven pillars of this tabernacle where heaven earth and below are reconciled in Jesus Christ. "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him."(Col.1:16)

    Blessing of the seventh day (Ge.2:1-3) is for who enters therein and it is by faith.

    87:2. "All the dwellings of Jacob are same as Babylon, Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia and all these are dwelling place for men. But of them God has counted those blessed who are born in Zion. "The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there."(87:6)

    Gates of Zion signify salvation. "Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in."(Ps.24:7)
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Here we go again....

    At this juncture I feel it is prudent to once again emphasize us being Bereans and reading scripture as a priority. On this forum I have tried to be fairly detailed and comprehensive with scripture references; at times lately I ask people to look things up to avoid sounding redundant. If one is to go beyond an opinion and discuss an opposing point of view then scriptures need to be referenced in order to debate an issue with any substance. I certainly am not going to state that I have all understanding of all implications of verses which upon interpretation could justify one or another point of view.

    There are clear overarching themes and truths that can be verified in multiple references that render apparent contradictions as a sort of red herring.

    There are some things that have cost me dearly in regard to friendships; especially lately in regard to a particular subject in scripture. I will refrain from mentioning it again although you are no doubt familiar with what I am talking about. Many things related to eschatology aren't necessarily as important; for instance. In general I think I can state that anyone even and especially within the professing church as a whole who holds out to the traditional understanding of scripture will have resistance even persecution. We need to ask ourseleves several questions here.

    1. In regard to a matter is it edification; proper rebuke and in general concern for a brother or a number of people in a congregation that is our main goal or simply trying to prove a point or cause a controversy?

    2. Is jealousy for His Word; His sanctuary and His presence overriding our decisions over majority consensus among men; whether believers or not?

    3. Are we living righteously ourselves and not hypocritically?

    4. Are we listening to all points of view with an open mind and heart?

    5. Are we willing to count the cost and uphold truth

    6. Will we harbor bitterness in our hearts?
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Power of the word of God, Fanakasibairo, is a world apart. Man writes books and one can read from cover to cover. When God has set His word in our hearts we are in a world which is everlasting to everlasting. Read with light of the Spirit and you will not get lost.
  • Twum - 7 months ago
    Please remember my children in your prayer for divine guidance and protection
  • Twum - 7 months ago
    to be able to live righteous life and witness to non believers
  • Fanakasibairo - In Reply - 7 months ago
    That is a beautiful thing to remind us of it.
  • Fanakasibairo - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Wow that is powerful
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Study on Ge.1 "Count your blessings" (2 of 2)

    Ge.1:14-19 Forth day sets blessings on man as a sign. In Christ we are signs and wonders. The two great lights are signs for the holy city of God where the two worlds framed by the word of God have the throne of God and of the Lamb as signs. "to give light upon the earth,/And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness."((vv.17-18)

    1:20-23 Fifth day as a blessing. God gives blessings in terms of man having a volume so he is a steward for other life forms. Man and ox, his livelihood is counted as one. So God commanded Moses, " If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox,"(Ex.22:1) Nothing in the kingdom of God stands by itself. " Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ."(Gal.6:2)

    1:24-30 Sixth day is a blessing for his inheritance in kingdom of light is that he is in 'our image and after our likeness. This explains the quote from Galatians. According to the law of Christ all the above mentioned blessing dwell in man from above and also from everlasting to everlasting. Up and Down and Across renders life of man incomplete without the fulness of God. As 'in our image' he carries his own load as well "Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification/For even Christ pleased not himself."(Ro.15:2-3). Instead what imposter churches do, divide their congregation on ethnic lines. These false shepherds serve the devil. God did not create him on such lines.

    "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them./And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

    To the blessed God has the seventh day, and says, "enter thou into the joy of thy lord."
  • David Allen - 7 months ago
    Please remember me and my daughters and their families in your prayers
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Study on Ge.1 "Count your blessings" (1 of 2)

    1:1 The heaven and the earth, two worlds framed by the Word which is God. we have been called blessing #1

    1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void". We were entered in the book . "and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."(Ps.139:16)

    The Spirit of God working on 'the waters' implies 'Darkness as a cloak in which God dwells.' It gave us an understanding'. In Job we read it is compared to a "swaddling band' meaning God possessed our upkeep as though we were infants. The lack of it is mentioned in Ez.16:4 ( Job 38:9)

    1:3-5 first day God separated light from darkness and set us for inheritance in light in Christ. This blessing #1 is added to us being part of the kingdom of his dear Son. Blessing is counted as the first day.

    1:6-8 Blessing known as the second day: waters above the firmament is called mercy while waters below is called the grace. In his earthly ministry Jesus defined it thus, "My father worketh hitherto, and I work." ( John 5:17; Lam.3:22-23) We were called in the beginning in his Son and are kept by the grace of God.

    1:9-13 The worlds framed by the word of God is the kingdom of God where the world made to appear has the dry land and the seas. The Earth abides forever because the world is called the kingdom of his dear Son.(Ec.1:4; Col.1:13). The command number Three applies to the Son. The day Three is a blessing. "And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas." Holy is his name. We are urged to be holy. "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"(Ep.1:4)

    Trees of righteousness in vv.11-12, "and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself" refer to the word of God which is truth and it sanctifies us. "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."( John 17:17)
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Job 38:8-11 My Decreed place"

    "When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddling-band for it,/And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,"

    Power and Wisdom is fullness of God and it is the nature of God. Holiness is Person specific. When God says, "Be ye holy, for I am holy" it explains the St Paul quote, " For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell"(Col.1:19) we are battle ready so to speak. Full armour of God has a natural world to back it up. It is thus the sea signifies the saints redeemed from the power of darkness into the kingdom of his dear Son. "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:/Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son."(Col.1:12-13). We have the cloud of witnesses and God so the woman clothed with the Sun gives our state as inheritors with Christ in light. Being confident that God has set bars and doors we walk by faith and not by sight. How we stay the course despite of the wiles of the enemy our middle state ought to assure, the battle is of God and nothing personal. All we need is faith and patience at every turn that God who made heaven and the earth is our fulness.

    Science may explain the natural world and say all plants grow by photosynthesis. Millennia of terrestrial living tells that it is true. But recently it has been discovered that "dark oxygen' is being made at 13,000 feet below the ocean surface. God has a way in the depths of which we read " In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."(Ge.7:11-12)the word of God speaks of the fountains of the deep and windows of heaven. Fulness of God sets bars and doors for His children, a secure place in moments of distress and peril.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Jaz,

    The worlds of God framed by the word of God and of sinful man are two different gospels as Spirit of Christ and that of anti-christ are different. Paul had a thorn on his side and was aware of the battle he was up against. So the grace and truth of Christ had to win the battle for him.

    Paul knew it was possible that as a man if he were to change his tune he himself would be accursed. So he warns, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."(Gal.1:8)
  • Shantel - 7 months ago
    1 Corinthians 15:50......Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God.......

    King David was flesh and blood, therefore he is in the grave, dust to dust.

    Acts 2:29-34

    King David, the NEW CREATION, by the resurrection of Christ, is now in the presence of God, being made ONE FLESH, by the resurrection of Christ.

    1 Corinthians 15:53 ... this mortal shall PUT ON IMMORTALITY ......

    1 Timothy 6:16 ...... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light ......

    2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all...... are CHANGED into the same IMAGE .... even so by the Spirit of God.

    John 11:25 ..... Christ is the RESURRECTION .......

    God Bless You
  • Shantel - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Donavan

    Perhaps the problem is your being ORDAIN into institutionalize ministry?

    Man does not reach or understand the kingdom of God?

    Do you understand the kingdom of God?

    Maybe it is the angels of God causing you all this trouble, trying to keep you from going down the path of institutionalized religion.

    It is a kingdom, not religion.

    God Bless You
  • Shantel - 7 months ago
    Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in YOU, which was ALSO IN Jesus Christ:

    Philippians 2:6 Christ being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God.

    We are the IMAGE of God, NOT the FATHER GOD, we are heirs of our Father, as Christ is heir.

    We INHERIT Son ship, being made ONE FLESH by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he had not only BROKEN the Sabbath, but said that God was his FATHER, making him EQUAL with God.

    Is God your Father?

    Are you EQUAL with God; or, are you THE FATHER?

    Christ is not THE GOD, Christ is a god, a HEIR, and we joint HEIRS.

    Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the GOD of gods ......

    John 17:21 That they maybe ONE; as thou, Father, art IN ME, that they may also be ONE, IN US, that the world may believe thou has sent me.

    Ephesians 4:6 There is ONE BODY (Christ; and we, as one flesh. in Christ), and ONE SPIRIT (God, our Father)......

    Ephesians 4:7 One Lord (and we as lords of our Lord), one faith (of Jesus Christ), one baptism (into the NAME or Jesus Christ)..... 2 Chronicles 7:14 ..... called by my name......

    Ephesians 4:8 One God, and Father of ALL, who is above ALL, and through you ALL, and in you ALL.

    God Bless You
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Well spoken Jaz.

    Today we see worldliness infiltrate the church in so many ways.

    That is something I have mentioned before on this site and recently have been meaning to post on it again.

    However, the timing hasn't been right.

    It's funny you brought that up because was preparing to do it today but I will put it on the shelf until I can buy some time.

    Blessings.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi Jaz, thank you.

    Luke 2:51-52 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Donavan - 7 months ago
    I am currently on my final stages of being ordained as a paator and will be moving into Institutionalized ministry. I have been under attck by Saton and his minions from all angles, for i believe he is going to be revealed through me on who he really is. I have been attacked fisically, emotionally, financially and all the ally's you can think of.Pleaee pray

    that Satan to be bound and cast far from me as every believer needs time to restore there strenght and breath in JESUS , i am IN need of a clear season for a bit as this has been going on for months and months now. DONAVAN you faithfull brother in Christ Jesus
  • Jaz - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Deuteronomy chapter 18 , Moses ,speaking to the children of Israel the words that God told him to say to them : verses 15-19 .
  • Jaz - In Reply - 7 months ago
    We must be so wary of getting ourselves entangled in the things of this life . In the Gospel of John we often read about Jesus judging us , humanity e.g. John 5-30 and John chapter 8 . But in Luke chapter 12 verse 14 , Jesus asks : Man , who made me a judge or a divider over you ? Why ? Why does Jesus refuse to judge this matter ? Read the previous verse , verse 13 and then verse 14 and 15 . These people were asking him to judge in a worldly matter , about possessions of this world , the things that pertain to the flesh and the lusts of it . Christ's judgements of us are spiritual judgements . He judges our hearts and he can do that perfectly because he can see straight into them . He's not interested in wordly things , the things of the flesh , he's interested in our hearts . So we all need to be careful that we don't allow the things of this world to take root in us , Christ is not of this world and we should be trying very hard to focus on the things that pertain to God and His Son and the Kingdom of God , not these kingdoms of men that are in fact kingdoms of death . That's all anyone who doesn't know the Truth has to look forward to . We are called out of this world , we are not to be a part of it , we have no inheritance in these kingdoms of men , just like the Levites in the land of Israel , Deuteronomy chapter 10 verses 1-5 , this is us ! We have no inheritance in this world and so we should shake the very dust of these kingdoms of men from off of our feet !
  • Tim C. - 7 months ago
    I'm a young man, going into the Ministry, hoping to plant a church and Pastor that church. I do struggle much with loneliness, I'm the only Baptist in my circle of friends, no like-minded Christians to surround myself with. Singleness is also another hinderance, a thorn in my flesh, just pray that God's grace would sustain me as I continue my education in Pastoral studies.
  • Jaz - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Great post , thank you I needed to hear that just now .
  • Jaz - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Amen to you Brother !


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