How do we pray? I am sure that I'm not alone here in stating how overwhelmed I feel and how little I feel I have for energy to contemplate the scenarios to pray about and against that are pressing up against us and certain to occur in the not too distant future. In some ways I don't know much difference between every day spiritual battles and the visible events that challenge us that affect our physical survival.
There's no point pretending that fear isn't ever present. Faith of course involves God's love; and when perfect it casts out fear.
Having likeminded individuals to pray with certainly is vital; and in today's world most of us find few if any of that mindset.
This site is certainly helpful in that regard. Ultimately the fear of death we know through His strength is overcome; but it is always up against us. It isn't wrong for us to have those feelings of doubt and self preservation but He lives in us and directs our steps.
Knowing that the end will come with all the baggage mentioned in Revelation; we can only pray that the restrainer holds things back as much as He can and that we aren't allowing things to commence prematurely as surely the enemy would like to do as much as possible. I've got to run here but thought again any suggestions would be good; surely we must pray on these big events as some things can still be temporarily thwarted. Let us focus on the Great Commission and sure victory to come and as much as possible through His strength keep away from sin.
The most commonly marketed method for having something of value in an anticipated financial meltdown that may or may not be immediately tied in with a war or other disaster is to invest in gold and other precious metals. I have pointed out that there are some scriptures which seem to indicate that man's hope in the last days in such things may be dashed. One economist; Harry Dent has predicted when the market finally crashes (something vastly overdue) that as with the Great Depression prices on gold may plunge along with; of course real estate and stocks in general. At present there is a very high price for gold; but I would argue for platinum and palladium as being vastly undervalued and once car manufacturing resumes it will go up. Silver also has a mining cost that is much closer to the present value and has many industrial uses so also is a good long term investment. In general with the volatility of that and say cryptocurrencies and other stocks we should pray for wisdom in such undertakings and of course the temperment to handle the 500 point or more swings in the Dow which seem to be a weekly event at least one day on average.
Switching to a completely different focus; we all should strive to have basic training in things such as CPR; the Heimlich maneuver; and have home fire drills as well as some basic knowledge of how to live in an emergency situation. If possible we should find some way to grow our own food; as well as learn basic trade skills such as carpentry to be as resourceful as possible.
If we can teach children and teens such skills at best it gives them something productive to do with their time. In light of my last post having a whole family prepared also will help the youth reach others in times of need. With the dangers in the schools today self defense is something that should be instilled by parents; ideally it should be taught in schools.
Of course prayer needs to be as important as breathing.
Well, it is as GOD's people have warned countless times,and I repeat, that the door would be shut, and it is already closed, in time and space, for all nations, for all mankind, since now and henceforward, instead of moving forward, they will stagnant as dammed as waters, or piled up, and they will not be able to go ahead. For example, like the waters of sea--> Job 38:
8Or who shut up the sea with doors,and set bars and doors,when it brake forth,as if it had issued out of the womb?--> (Sea=waters=are peoples,and NATIONS,and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation/ Apocalypse 17:15)
11And GOD said,Hitherto shalt thou come,but no further: and here shall thy proud waves(GENERATIONS)be stayed?
All NATIONS,all unbeliver mankind,and its generations,everyone will pile up as if a DIKE were in front of everyone.
Isaiah prophesied: 24:22
22And they shall be gathered together,as prisoners are gathered in the pit,and shall be shut up in the prison,and after many days shall they be visited. -->after the millennial kingdom ends.
This is the Word that matters and will prevail from now on,after all,
the ENDS of the times arrived,and the righteous Judgment of GOD and its consequences,the punishments,will be applied. Romans 2, take a look.
In this new time,this new Day,the seventh and last Day,the reality is that the mankind WILL NOT GO FORWARD with their political systems, and ideas, religions,economic systems,also theories of modus-vivend,projects,plans,dreams,in short,they will not go ahead with their usual activities,with their status quo of activities adopted until this current time,the door is already closed for this generations IN TIME and IN SPACE.And this is the Word that will prevail, the peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of all tongues will not go forward with their systems at all.
Luke 17:28-29
In the days of Lot;they did eat,they drank,they bought,they sold, they planted, they builded; but it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
It is uncertain what category this should be listed in. We all should pray that the resources and supplies we will need in light of several likely near term events will be adequately stocked and for the Lord to give us wisdom on that. We should seek to be the "head not the tail" ( Deut. 28:13); and that is in light of a broader examination of blessings in that chapter and subsequent verses describing curses in accordance with being obedient to the Lord.
We have ourselves as individuals for those single people in my situation; although I am living at home presently with elderly parents. Most people have families to consider; but we also should consider in a time of need to have provisions available for others. Today there is always some pull for us to give our extra change to this or that charity when we go shopping and many other donations directly or indirectly tied with our local church and other causes. To have something available for others sometimes is simply a Bible for some stranger or Gospel tracts and perhaps a few bucks or a gift certificate for a street person to get a free meal. I am not saying we should be obligated to have provisions for strangers but we should consider whenever say a power grid issue arises (the most likely thing at present on a large scale to affect a large region) it is something we should have a plan for. There are further issues with self defense under such a scenario; and we should also have some predetermined boundaries as to when to offer help and when we must say no. I just have a suspicion that very few have a plan to actually maintain food and other supplies for particular church members in a congregation; for instance. Churches often have some sort of items for particular events in storage; but again perhaps it would be wise to consider having some extra supplies as well as emergency shelter plans for future crises.
Let us seek the Lord in these things. Any comments?
Christ's death and resurrection destroyed the OLD and ushered in the NEW.
ALL flesh DIED on the cross of Christ, a new creation was resurrected, the image of Christ and his Father, the equal of Christ and his Father.
Isaiah 43:8 God does not share his glory with another, flesh and blood, they had to DIE, but he does bestow his glory on Christ; John 17:22 and we have been made ONE FLESH with Christ, by his resurrection, we are IN TRAVAIL of birth pains, waiting to be delivered into that PROMISE.
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:6 Who being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God.
Christ is not THE ONE GOD, but by INHERITANCE, is EQUAL with his Father, the one God.
We share that EQUALITY with Christ, by DYING with Christ on his cross, and being raised with him as ONE FLESH.
If we are going to LIVE by the WORD of God (the sword), we have to DIE by the WORD of God (the sword), understand the NEW and DIE to the OLD.
Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.
We have the faith of Christ, we have the mind of Christ, we have the glory of Christ, we have the works of Christ, by inheritance.
2 Corinthians 3:18 And we ALL .... are CHANGED into the SAME IMAGE .....by the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 15:53 ..... this mortal MUST put on IMMORTALITY ....
1 Timothy 6:16 .... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light ....
Isaiah 63:9 And in all their affliction, he was afflicted, and the angel of HIS presence saved them ....
Colossians 1:27 ..... this mystery, hidden from the ages ..... Christ IN YOU ....
Yes Ronald , there is no love in violence , anyone who deliberately commits an act of violence is commiting sin and there has as you stated , been enormous violence done in the name of this doctrine , mostly by the ancient catholics . Romans Ch 4 verse 17 . 1st Peter Ch 3 verses 8-17 .
I'm sorry Chris but clarify was the word you used . I've replied to a post of S Spencer's , that post might help you understand what I was saying a bit better .
God was in Christ , in , reconciling the world to Himself . The Spirit of God , God is a Spirit , God's Holy Spirit , ( remember that known unto God are all His works from the beginning ) was in Christ , Christ was a separate living human , Christ knew who his Father was and what had been asked of him , he was different from the lamb slain from the foundation of the world in that respect . The lamb could not willingly submit to God's will for it , Christ did , he learned obedience by the things that he suffered , when did he suffer these things that brought him to a state of complete obedience ? On the cross ? , no , his sufferings in his 30 years of previous human life on earth with a family in a community , those years are the years that he suffered as a human , the kind of things that we humans all still go through every day , those sufferings brought him to a state of obedience , obedience that started by being told to go to John and be baptized by him . He learned obedience by the things he suffered . His own human sufferings brought him to the state of obedience and therefore to the cross . He learned , just like we have to . We learn what ? What do we learn by our sufferings ? What is the lesson that is common to us all ? The lesson that Jesus learned ? Trust , faith , surrender , obey . These are our lessons to and if we learn them then they will lead us to our cross also . Jesus said : take up the cross and follow me . Trust , faith , surrender , obey . He learned those lessons by the things that he suffered , in his life before his ministry and during his ministry . I hope I don't need to clarify as I don't see how I can put it any plainer .
Hi , God is a Spirit , the "Me" is the Spirit of God , God's Holy Spirit , which Christ , the chosen vessel , was filled with without measure . He will be whom He will be , He will manifest Himself in who He will , God is a Spirit . He can grant any of us a measure of His Spirit at any time but only Christ received it in full and was therefore the very image of God , but Christ was still a person , a human from his mother's womb he was the chosen vessel , created by God for that specific purpose , the lamb slain from the foundation of the world , the lamb that God Himself killed and skinned to make garments for Adam and Eve in order to cover their shame from the knowledge of their own sinfulness . That lamb was not literally Christ , it was still a lamb , flesh and blood , see the parallel ?
Dear brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus, I ask you to stand with me so that my order situation improves even more. I am self-employed as a PC supporter and Mac supporter and I meet the biblical guidelines for finances, but I now need more customers/work and I ask you to stand with me so that I can meet my obligations in full and beyond. Thank you, the Lord bless you, Alex
Hi Jesse: In responding to your comment, my Thomas Nelson KJV study bible Is hardcopy bible not a website and both copies of the one I and my son have read in Matthew 1:21 with JESUS all in caps. I also checked 6 online bible apps including this one and they all have JESUS in caps except biblegatway, Jesus' name only had the J in caps.
What do you mean by a modern KJB as opposed to just a KJB as you mentioned in your post to KayDee where you said "Jesus is not all in caps in the 1611, only in modern King James versions is the name JESUS all in caps." God Bless:)
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING. Micah 5:2.
"And I looked, and, behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord." It is with reference to the glory of the Most High Court, which in the vision of St John bears a new name which is in keeping with the new heaven and the New Jerusalem is created from the perfect sacrifice of the Son." For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."(He.10:14). "for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away." (Re.21:1)
Isaiah asks Israel, "When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?/Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting./Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them." (Is.1:12-14) Ezekiel's vision the v.5 to the last line in Ch.48) must be understood as an indictment to the sinful nation which has become reprobate silver falling from Bethel to Beth Aven. King Manasseh's evil reign stirred up great wrath that would not be assuaged "And the Lord said, I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there."(2 Ki.23:25)
"What does "My name shall be there" indicate? Is it not what the vision of Ezekiel rests upon? "It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there."(48:35)
"This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord God."(48:29
What is the significance of eighteen thousand measures? (6x3x1000) The Beast is 666. By same measure length breadth and height falls under judgment. A remnant shall be saved of which we read as saved nations.(Re.21:24)
Hello Shantel. I'm unsure whether your post here is in response to me in bro. Ronald's thread or not, but you seem to have referred to my question there.
You state, "Christ is the GLORY OF GOD, his Father, he is not the Father or God; but the Son of his Father and his God." What is Jesus stating in prayer to God His Father? He is asking His Father, that the Glory He shared with Him before the creation of the world, would once again be His possession. Jesus was about to go to the Cross to fully accomplish the Father's Will for Him and mankind. While on Earth, Jesus never failed to glorify His Father: He honored & magnified (Gk. doxa) God's Name to all by His Words, His Works, & His Life.
In these final moments, Jesus prays that as His Work is now finished (v4), that He too would be glorified with the Father in the fulfilment of the work of Redemption. Jesus states that He enjoyed the Glory of the Father in Heaven (which Glory God shares with none other: Isaiah 42:8). Jesus by His Coming had to lay aside that Glory ( Philippians 2:6-8) for embracing humanity & the suffering of death; and now the Work was done, that the Father would now bring Glory to His Son, that both would be glorified together ( John 17:1) in this hour that was planned for from the foundation of the world ( 1 Peter 1:20).
Indeed, Jesus Christ "is the GLORY OF GOD" as you wrote, as God's Son He fulfilled His Father's Will completely. But Jesus also laid claim to His Glory which He shared with the Eternal God before His coming to Earth. If Jesus is not fully Divine coming forth from within the Person of God, then Who was He in Heaven sharing in God's Glory (as He claimed)? To Whom else would God share His Glory? Or does Jesus' prayer make Him a liar (even before God), or as one Who is deceived, or just maybe, a direct claim to the Divinity that He enjoyed within the Godhead in eternity. Blessings & thanks for your response.
" And they (the levites) shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place."(v.13)
God tells in the vision why. "Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity." This leads us to the sons of Zadok and their ministry which cannot be the order of Melchizedek. Let us examine this verse," Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons."(46:3).In the New Jerusalem there is no temple to begin with. "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it./And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it."(Re.21:22-23) This is the most holy place.
The people of the land refers to Jerusalem on the earth. "And all the people that were left of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, which were not of the children of Israel,/Their children that were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel also were not able utterly to destroy, upon those did Solomon levy a tribute of bond-service unto this day."(1 Ki.9:21). Significant is the use of this tag here unto this day' with regards the Mixed People.In.v.20 Solomon had given King Hiram 20 cities for all the material the king had given for the temple building. And Hiram came out from Tyre to see the cities which Solomon had given him; and they pleased him not./ And he said, What cities are these which thou hast given me, my brother? And he called them the land of Cabul unto this day."( 1 Ki. 9:12-13). In terms of the land also it explains why Jerusalem has come down in estimation. "the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified"(Re.11:8)
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify THOU ME with thine OWN SELF with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Christ is the GLORY OF GOD, his Father, he is not the Father or God; but the Son of his Father and his God.
We, being made ONE FLESH, by the resurrection of Christ, became and heir of God, as Christ is an heir of God.
We are the children of Christ, his sons and daughters, he is our father and our god, until his Father has put all things under Christ, then Christ will turn the kingdom back to HIS FATHER and HIS GOD, and then God will be ALL in ALL, creation as ONE:
John 17:22 And the glory that thou has GIVEN ME I have given THEM; that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE.
If there is a trinity, then we also are a part of that trinity; but a trinity implies three, yet there is going to be billions.
Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the God of gods .....
2 Corinthians 3:18 But we ALL .... are CHANGED into the SAME IMAGE ..... even so by the Spirit of God.
Study Moses and the prophets, Christ FULFILLED them.
Please pray to the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ that he heals my fianc Alina of her cancer and that she will wake up from her coma completely healed, completely restored, healthy and that she will regain her memories and abilities to walk, talk, move, dance, cook, care for herself and her daughter, and do everything she used to do before without any complications in the mighty name of Jesus Christ amen.
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of GOD should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of GOD cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of GOD is within you.
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23 And they(WHO ARE THEM?) shall say to you, See here; or, see there(SEE WHOM? JOHN 5:43-47, A FALSE MESSIAH? AN ESOTERIC AND KABBALISTIC AND SPIRITIST FALSE MESSIAH-son of perdition?2Thes.2:2-12): GO NOT after them,NOR FOLLOW THEM.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his Day.->WHAT DAY? Now, now, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ.
25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. --> Terrible, very terrible.
GOD BLESS,
And our Lord JESUS warned us, saying: Luke 17:26-27
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat,
they drank,
they married wives,
they were given in marriage,
until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Revelation 11:15 & 18
15...The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord,and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And the NATIONS (ALL NATIONS) were (will be) ANGRY, and GOD's WRATH comes, similar to the WRATH as was in the flood, but now, in the ends of the times, it's by FIRE--> Isaiah 33:10-14 and Isaiah 34:1-4.
We have nothing in the Scriptures to indicate that Elimelech had fallen from grace. All we know is from Ruth 1:1-3, that because of a severe famine in Israel, Elimelech chose to move his family to Moab for their survival. Some might argue that this was a wrong move since Moab was an idolatrous country & his family & their descendants might be tempted to compromise their faith with the idolatrous Moabites. But the Word never checks Elimelech for his decision to move to Moab, and we note that Elimelech died there & then some years later, both his sons died also. But even from this we can't assume that he was being judged for his decision to relocate or had fallen from grace. We too might have been forced to do the same if found in that dire position in life, but as in all situations we find ourselves in, we must still live according to God's Holy requirements upon us & to please Him in all that we do and say.
Luke 1:2. The use of 'beginning' here is different, as Luke relates how he learned of those accounts of the Lord through those who were with Him & eyewitnesses of those events. Here it is according to Luke's receiving the information; in John's Gospel & Epistle, of eternity past. Same word - different application.
Revelation 19:13. Indeed, it is a title carried by Jesus. But the same John, who was given this revelation, also wrote that the Word of God was made flesh & dwelt among us. In John's vision, he sees the Word of God made flesh now coming in Power & Glory, His clothing dipped in Blood (whether representative of the saints martyred or of the coming slaughter of God's enemies), & the title He wears as God's Word made flesh & now coming in the same way He left. But none of this applies, when we can find no agreement whether John writes in his Gospel, of the Word (God) coming in flesh, or He Who came in flesh became God (Divine).
John 1:10. If this means that 'the world was made through & for Jesus', then we would have to make the same apply to Colossians 1:16,17 (as the same word 'dia' is used). And by doing so, the whole meaning of those verses change, especially that 'he is before all things and by him all things consist'.
Anyway, I hope I've addressed your points, but would still appreciate if anyone, a non-trinitarian, could explain John 17:5, which thus far over the years, none have obliged me. And I find that very strange. Blessings.
And in (1:1): "Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life through the blood of God you completed perfectly the task so natural to you".
In his letter to the Smyrnaeans (1:1) over whom Polycarp was Bishop he states: "I glorify Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise..".
And these were only two (Polycarp & Ignatius) mentioned here. There were others, as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Hippolytus, and Origen, who also in their writings referred to the Deity of Christ, not post-birth, but pre-birth. So I thought to make it clear that according to the records we have, the 'idea of the Trinity' was not conceived 400 years after Jesus, but from the earliest Church fathers, one of whom, Polycarp, learned under the tutorship of the Apostle John, ensuring that the doctrines & teachings administered were carried on correctly. What went wrong after that, we know that doctrines have been corrupted & mangled according to many factors coming upon men & the Church.
Moving on. Referring to the Scriptures you shared: John 1:1-3. I tried to read this passage as you do, but found it just doesn't make sense. If 'in the beginning' relates to the beginning of Christ's Ministry, are you suggesting in verse 1 that God's Word was then placed into Jesus, and He then was with God & also became God? Then what is this 'new creation' you refer to? Is it the New Birth? Even when the Word states that "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made". Surely, "All things and anything" must speak of much more than a new creation, as well as speaking in the past tense, that this creative work had already taken place.
1 John 1:1. I can understand that if you believe that John 1:1 refers to the commencement of Jesus' Ministry, then 1 John 1:1 would do also. Of course, I read 1 John 1:1 as I read John 1:1, referring to eternity past. Onto Page 3.
Thanks for your response bro. Ronald. I looked at Matthew 28:19, but unfortunately couldn't really understand your point here. But if I may, I will address the latter part of your recent comment to me, first.
You stated, "The importance that has been placed on this doctrine (trinity) 400 years after Jesus and the people who have been killed over it..". I know that this is a generally held belief by those holding the non-trinitarian position, but from examination of Church history, I've found this to be untrue. If I might provide some quotes in support:
"Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal High Priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth and in all gentleness and in all freedom from anger and forbearance and steadfastness and patient endurance and purity, and may he give to you a share and a place among his saints, and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our LORD AND GOD JESUS CHRIST and in his Father who raised him from the dead." (an excerpt from the Letter of Polycarp to the Philippians, AD120-190).
Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, wrote several letters to the Churches en route to his execution in Rome (circa AD110).
In his Letter to the Ephesians (18:2) he states: "For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God's plan..".
In (19:3) he states: "Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished, when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life..".
In (7:2) he states: "There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, God in man, true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord". Onto Page 2.
Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or,
WHERE IS THE GOD/(ELOHIM) OF JUDGMENT?
Behold, I WILL SEND MY MESSENGER, AND HE SHALL PREPARE THE WAY BEFORE ""ME"": and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
They asked:
"WHERE IS THE GOD/(ELOHIM) OF JUDGMENT?
He answered;
Behold, "I" WILL SEND MY MESSENGER
HE SHALL PREPARE THE WAY BEFORE "ME"
John the baptist was the messenger.
He prepared the way for Jesus!
He was God when he answered and he was God when he came.
Thank you Jaz for your comment. Actually, I wasn't asking for any further clarification (i.e. an extra explanation), but just to clarify which of those two statements correctly reflects your belief. Why I asked this, was because your statement, "Christ is God manifest in the flesh because he was not born through lust but by the power of God's Holy Spirit and was filled without measure", can be taken a couple of ways (at least).
Therefore, I suggested two ways: "Jesus was endued with the fullness of God's Spirit at His Birth & thus became God in the flesh"; or, "Jesus came forth from within God's Person to take on human flesh, always endued with God's Spirit". I think you can see how someone might be confused as to what you are saying/believing, so was simply seeking clarification as to which one of those two (or, even another meaning), is your belief. But if you don't wish to proceed with this, then that's okay with me - thank you. GBU.
Myself and along with others, I'm sure will join you in prayer.
I'm not sure if there is a section in scripture for any situation.
Prayer is not a formula, incantation, or recipe, but rather a relationship with God. It's a way to connect with the God and ask for, wait for, and follow God's direction.
Prayer is not intended to be showy or to magically make things appear or disappear. Instead, it's about trusting God with the outcome and seeking His will.
God hears those who obey him and we know that all things work together for good to them that love God. Romans 8:28.
How do we pray? I am sure that I'm not alone here in stating how overwhelmed I feel and how little I feel I have for energy to contemplate the scenarios to pray about and against that are pressing up against us and certain to occur in the not too distant future. In some ways I don't know much difference between every day spiritual battles and the visible events that challenge us that affect our physical survival.
There's no point pretending that fear isn't ever present. Faith of course involves God's love; and when perfect it casts out fear.
Having likeminded individuals to pray with certainly is vital; and in today's world most of us find few if any of that mindset.
This site is certainly helpful in that regard. Ultimately the fear of death we know through His strength is overcome; but it is always up against us. It isn't wrong for us to have those feelings of doubt and self preservation but He lives in us and directs our steps.
Knowing that the end will come with all the baggage mentioned in Revelation; we can only pray that the restrainer holds things back as much as He can and that we aren't allowing things to commence prematurely as surely the enemy would like to do as much as possible. I've got to run here but thought again any suggestions would be good; surely we must pray on these big events as some things can still be temporarily thwarted. Let us focus on the Great Commission and sure victory to come and as much as possible through His strength keep away from sin.
Agape; Rich P
The most commonly marketed method for having something of value in an anticipated financial meltdown that may or may not be immediately tied in with a war or other disaster is to invest in gold and other precious metals. I have pointed out that there are some scriptures which seem to indicate that man's hope in the last days in such things may be dashed. One economist; Harry Dent has predicted when the market finally crashes (something vastly overdue) that as with the Great Depression prices on gold may plunge along with; of course real estate and stocks in general. At present there is a very high price for gold; but I would argue for platinum and palladium as being vastly undervalued and once car manufacturing resumes it will go up. Silver also has a mining cost that is much closer to the present value and has many industrial uses so also is a good long term investment. In general with the volatility of that and say cryptocurrencies and other stocks we should pray for wisdom in such undertakings and of course the temperment to handle the 500 point or more swings in the Dow which seem to be a weekly event at least one day on average.
Switching to a completely different focus; we all should strive to have basic training in things such as CPR; the Heimlich maneuver; and have home fire drills as well as some basic knowledge of how to live in an emergency situation. If possible we should find some way to grow our own food; as well as learn basic trade skills such as carpentry to be as resourceful as possible.
If we can teach children and teens such skills at best it gives them something productive to do with their time. In light of my last post having a whole family prepared also will help the youth reach others in times of need. With the dangers in the schools today self defense is something that should be instilled by parents; ideally it should be taught in schools.
Of course prayer needs to be as important as breathing.
8Or who shut up the sea with doors,and set bars and doors,when it brake forth,as if it had issued out of the womb?--> (Sea=waters=are peoples,and NATIONS,and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation/ Apocalypse 17:15)
11And GOD said,Hitherto shalt thou come,but no further: and here shall thy proud waves(GENERATIONS)be stayed?
All NATIONS,all unbeliver mankind,and its generations,everyone will pile up as if a DIKE were in front of everyone.
Isaiah prophesied: 24:22
22And they shall be gathered together,as prisoners are gathered in the pit,and shall be shut up in the prison,and after many days shall they be visited. -->after the millennial kingdom ends.
This is the Word that matters and will prevail from now on,after all,
the ENDS of the times arrived,and the righteous Judgment of GOD and its consequences,the punishments,will be applied. Romans 2, take a look.
In this new time,this new Day,the seventh and last Day,the reality is that the mankind WILL NOT GO FORWARD with their political systems, and ideas, religions,economic systems,also theories of modus-vivend,projects,plans,dreams,in short,they will not go ahead with their usual activities,with their status quo of activities adopted until this current time,the door is already closed for this generations IN TIME and IN SPACE.And this is the Word that will prevail, the peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of all tongues will not go forward with their systems at all.
Luke 17:28-29
In the days of Lot;they did eat,they drank,they bought,they sold, they planted, they builded; but it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Get ready
It is uncertain what category this should be listed in. We all should pray that the resources and supplies we will need in light of several likely near term events will be adequately stocked and for the Lord to give us wisdom on that. We should seek to be the "head not the tail" ( Deut. 28:13); and that is in light of a broader examination of blessings in that chapter and subsequent verses describing curses in accordance with being obedient to the Lord.
We have ourselves as individuals for those single people in my situation; although I am living at home presently with elderly parents. Most people have families to consider; but we also should consider in a time of need to have provisions available for others. Today there is always some pull for us to give our extra change to this or that charity when we go shopping and many other donations directly or indirectly tied with our local church and other causes. To have something available for others sometimes is simply a Bible for some stranger or Gospel tracts and perhaps a few bucks or a gift certificate for a street person to get a free meal. I am not saying we should be obligated to have provisions for strangers but we should consider whenever say a power grid issue arises (the most likely thing at present on a large scale to affect a large region) it is something we should have a plan for. There are further issues with self defense under such a scenario; and we should also have some predetermined boundaries as to when to offer help and when we must say no. I just have a suspicion that very few have a plan to actually maintain food and other supplies for particular church members in a congregation; for instance. Churches often have some sort of items for particular events in storage; but again perhaps it would be wise to consider having some extra supplies as well as emergency shelter plans for future crises.
Let us seek the Lord in these things. Any comments?
Agape. Rich P
Christ's death and resurrection destroyed the OLD and ushered in the NEW.
ALL flesh DIED on the cross of Christ, a new creation was resurrected, the image of Christ and his Father, the equal of Christ and his Father.
Isaiah 43:8 God does not share his glory with another, flesh and blood, they had to DIE, but he does bestow his glory on Christ; John 17:22 and we have been made ONE FLESH with Christ, by his resurrection, we are IN TRAVAIL of birth pains, waiting to be delivered into that PROMISE.
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:6 Who being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God.
Christ is not THE ONE GOD, but by INHERITANCE, is EQUAL with his Father, the one God.
We share that EQUALITY with Christ, by DYING with Christ on his cross, and being raised with him as ONE FLESH.
If we are going to LIVE by the WORD of God (the sword), we have to DIE by the WORD of God (the sword), understand the NEW and DIE to the OLD.
Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.
We have the faith of Christ, we have the mind of Christ, we have the glory of Christ, we have the works of Christ, by inheritance.
2 Corinthians 3:18 And we ALL .... are CHANGED into the SAME IMAGE .....by the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 15:53 ..... this mortal MUST put on IMMORTALITY ....
1 Timothy 6:16 .... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light ....
Isaiah 63:9 And in all their affliction, he was afflicted, and the angel of HIS presence saved them ....
Colossians 1:27 ..... this mystery, hidden from the ages ..... Christ IN YOU ....
God Bless You
God was in Christ , in , reconciling the world to Himself . The Spirit of God , God is a Spirit , God's Holy Spirit , ( remember that known unto God are all His works from the beginning ) was in Christ , Christ was a separate living human , Christ knew who his Father was and what had been asked of him , he was different from the lamb slain from the foundation of the world in that respect . The lamb could not willingly submit to God's will for it , Christ did , he learned obedience by the things that he suffered , when did he suffer these things that brought him to a state of complete obedience ? On the cross ? , no , his sufferings in his 30 years of previous human life on earth with a family in a community , those years are the years that he suffered as a human , the kind of things that we humans all still go through every day , those sufferings brought him to a state of obedience , obedience that started by being told to go to John and be baptized by him . He learned obedience by the things he suffered . His own human sufferings brought him to the state of obedience and therefore to the cross . He learned , just like we have to . We learn what ? What do we learn by our sufferings ? What is the lesson that is common to us all ? The lesson that Jesus learned ? Trust , faith , surrender , obey . These are our lessons to and if we learn them then they will lead us to our cross also . Jesus said : take up the cross and follow me . Trust , faith , surrender , obey . He learned those lessons by the things that he suffered , in his life before his ministry and during his ministry . I hope I don't need to clarify as I don't see how I can put it any plainer .
What do you mean by a modern KJB as opposed to just a KJB as you mentioned in your post to KayDee where you said "Jesus is not all in caps in the 1611, only in modern King James versions is the name JESUS all in caps." God Bless:)
In line 2 please read Most High Court as Most Holy place (44:13)
"And I looked, and, behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord." It is with reference to the glory of the Most High Court, which in the vision of St John bears a new name which is in keeping with the new heaven and the New Jerusalem is created from the perfect sacrifice of the Son." For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."(He.10:14). "for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away." (Re.21:1)
Isaiah asks Israel, "When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?/Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting./Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them." (Is.1:12-14) Ezekiel's vision the v.5 to the last line in Ch.48) must be understood as an indictment to the sinful nation which has become reprobate silver falling from Bethel to Beth Aven. King Manasseh's evil reign stirred up great wrath that would not be assuaged "And the Lord said, I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there."(2 Ki.23:25)
"What does "My name shall be there" indicate? Is it not what the vision of Ezekiel rests upon? "It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there."(48:35)
"This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord God."(48:29
What is the significance of eighteen thousand measures? (6x3x1000) The Beast is 666. By same measure length breadth and height falls under judgment. A remnant shall be saved of which we read as saved nations.(Re.21:24)
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You state, "Christ is the GLORY OF GOD, his Father, he is not the Father or God; but the Son of his Father and his God." What is Jesus stating in prayer to God His Father? He is asking His Father, that the Glory He shared with Him before the creation of the world, would once again be His possession. Jesus was about to go to the Cross to fully accomplish the Father's Will for Him and mankind. While on Earth, Jesus never failed to glorify His Father: He honored & magnified (Gk. doxa) God's Name to all by His Words, His Works, & His Life.
In these final moments, Jesus prays that as His Work is now finished (v4), that He too would be glorified with the Father in the fulfilment of the work of Redemption. Jesus states that He enjoyed the Glory of the Father in Heaven (which Glory God shares with none other: Isaiah 42:8). Jesus by His Coming had to lay aside that Glory ( Philippians 2:6-8) for embracing humanity & the suffering of death; and now the Work was done, that the Father would now bring Glory to His Son, that both would be glorified together ( John 17:1) in this hour that was planned for from the foundation of the world ( 1 Peter 1:20).
Indeed, Jesus Christ "is the GLORY OF GOD" as you wrote, as God's Son He fulfilled His Father's Will completely. But Jesus also laid claim to His Glory which He shared with the Eternal God before His coming to Earth. If Jesus is not fully Divine coming forth from within the Person of God, then Who was He in Heaven sharing in God's Glory (as He claimed)? To Whom else would God share His Glory? Or does Jesus' prayer make Him a liar (even before God), or as one Who is deceived, or just maybe, a direct claim to the Divinity that He enjoyed within the Godhead in eternity. Blessings & thanks for your response.
" And they (the levites) shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place."(v.13)
God tells in the vision why. "Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity." This leads us to the sons of Zadok and their ministry which cannot be the order of Melchizedek. Let us examine this verse," Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons."(46:3).In the New Jerusalem there is no temple to begin with. "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it./And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it."(Re.21:22-23) This is the most holy place.
The people of the land refers to Jerusalem on the earth. "And all the people that were left of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, which were not of the children of Israel,/Their children that were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel also were not able utterly to destroy, upon those did Solomon levy a tribute of bond-service unto this day."(1 Ki.9:21). Significant is the use of this tag here unto this day' with regards the Mixed People.In.v.20 Solomon had given King Hiram 20 cities for all the material the king had given for the temple building. And Hiram came out from Tyre to see the cities which Solomon had given him; and they pleased him not./ And he said, What cities are these which thou hast given me, my brother? And he called them the land of Cabul unto this day."( 1 Ki. 9:12-13). In terms of the land also it explains why Jerusalem has come down in estimation. "the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified"(Re.11:8)
Christ is the GLORY OF GOD, his Father, he is not the Father or God; but the Son of his Father and his God.
We, being made ONE FLESH, by the resurrection of Christ, became and heir of God, as Christ is an heir of God.
We are the children of Christ, his sons and daughters, he is our father and our god, until his Father has put all things under Christ, then Christ will turn the kingdom back to HIS FATHER and HIS GOD, and then God will be ALL in ALL, creation as ONE:
John 17:22 And the glory that thou has GIVEN ME I have given THEM; that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE.
If there is a trinity, then we also are a part of that trinity; but a trinity implies three, yet there is going to be billions.
Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the God of gods .....
2 Corinthians 3:18 But we ALL .... are CHANGED into the SAME IMAGE ..... even so by the Spirit of God.
Study Moses and the prophets, Christ FULFILLED them.
God Bless You
Luke 17:20-25
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of GOD should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of GOD cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of GOD is within you.
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23 And they(WHO ARE THEM?) shall say to you, See here; or, see there(SEE WHOM? JOHN 5:43-47, A FALSE MESSIAH? AN ESOTERIC AND KABBALISTIC AND SPIRITIST FALSE MESSIAH-son of perdition?2Thes.2:2-12): GO NOT after them,NOR FOLLOW THEM.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his Day.->WHAT DAY? Now, now, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ.
25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. --> Terrible, very terrible.
GOD BLESS,
And our Lord JESUS warned us, saying: Luke 17:26-27
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat,
they drank,
they married wives,
they were given in marriage,
until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Revelation 11:15 & 18
15...The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord,and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And the NATIONS (ALL NATIONS) were (will be) ANGRY, and GOD's WRATH comes, similar to the WRATH as was in the flood, but now, in the ends of the times, it's by FIRE--> Isaiah 33:10-14 and Isaiah 34:1-4.
GET READY
Luke 1:2. The use of 'beginning' here is different, as Luke relates how he learned of those accounts of the Lord through those who were with Him & eyewitnesses of those events. Here it is according to Luke's receiving the information; in John's Gospel & Epistle, of eternity past. Same word - different application.
Revelation 19:13. Indeed, it is a title carried by Jesus. But the same John, who was given this revelation, also wrote that the Word of God was made flesh & dwelt among us. In John's vision, he sees the Word of God made flesh now coming in Power & Glory, His clothing dipped in Blood (whether representative of the saints martyred or of the coming slaughter of God's enemies), & the title He wears as God's Word made flesh & now coming in the same way He left. But none of this applies, when we can find no agreement whether John writes in his Gospel, of the Word (God) coming in flesh, or He Who came in flesh became God (Divine).
John 1:10. If this means that 'the world was made through & for Jesus', then we would have to make the same apply to Colossians 1:16,17 (as the same word 'dia' is used). And by doing so, the whole meaning of those verses change, especially that 'he is before all things and by him all things consist'.
Anyway, I hope I've addressed your points, but would still appreciate if anyone, a non-trinitarian, could explain John 17:5, which thus far over the years, none have obliged me. And I find that very strange. Blessings.
And in (1:1): "Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life through the blood of God you completed perfectly the task so natural to you".
In his letter to the Smyrnaeans (1:1) over whom Polycarp was Bishop he states: "I glorify Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise..".
And these were only two (Polycarp & Ignatius) mentioned here. There were others, as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Hippolytus, and Origen, who also in their writings referred to the Deity of Christ, not post-birth, but pre-birth. So I thought to make it clear that according to the records we have, the 'idea of the Trinity' was not conceived 400 years after Jesus, but from the earliest Church fathers, one of whom, Polycarp, learned under the tutorship of the Apostle John, ensuring that the doctrines & teachings administered were carried on correctly. What went wrong after that, we know that doctrines have been corrupted & mangled according to many factors coming upon men & the Church.
Moving on. Referring to the Scriptures you shared: John 1:1-3. I tried to read this passage as you do, but found it just doesn't make sense. If 'in the beginning' relates to the beginning of Christ's Ministry, are you suggesting in verse 1 that God's Word was then placed into Jesus, and He then was with God & also became God? Then what is this 'new creation' you refer to? Is it the New Birth? Even when the Word states that "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made". Surely, "All things and anything" must speak of much more than a new creation, as well as speaking in the past tense, that this creative work had already taken place.
1 John 1:1. I can understand that if you believe that John 1:1 refers to the commencement of Jesus' Ministry, then 1 John 1:1 would do also. Of course, I read 1 John 1:1 as I read John 1:1, referring to eternity past. Onto Page 3.
Thanks for your response bro. Ronald. I looked at Matthew 28:19, but unfortunately couldn't really understand your point here. But if I may, I will address the latter part of your recent comment to me, first.
You stated, "The importance that has been placed on this doctrine (trinity) 400 years after Jesus and the people who have been killed over it..". I know that this is a generally held belief by those holding the non-trinitarian position, but from examination of Church history, I've found this to be untrue. If I might provide some quotes in support:
"Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal High Priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth and in all gentleness and in all freedom from anger and forbearance and steadfastness and patient endurance and purity, and may he give to you a share and a place among his saints, and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our LORD AND GOD JESUS CHRIST and in his Father who raised him from the dead." (an excerpt from the Letter of Polycarp to the Philippians, AD120-190).
Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, wrote several letters to the Churches en route to his execution in Rome (circa AD110).
In his Letter to the Ephesians (18:2) he states: "For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God's plan..".
In (19:3) he states: "Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished, when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life..".
In (7:2) he states: "There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, God in man, true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord". Onto Page 2.
WHERE IS THE GOD/(ELOHIM) OF JUDGMENT?
Behold, I WILL SEND MY MESSENGER, AND HE SHALL PREPARE THE WAY BEFORE ""ME"": and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
They asked:
"WHERE IS THE GOD/(ELOHIM) OF JUDGMENT?
He answered;
Behold, "I" WILL SEND MY MESSENGER
HE SHALL PREPARE THE WAY BEFORE "ME"
John the baptist was the messenger.
He prepared the way for Jesus!
He was God when he answered and he was God when he came.
Blessings.
I am sorry I forgot to mention, just pray to God the as a child child going to their father and trust and believe in God.
God bless you.
Therefore, I suggested two ways: "Jesus was endued with the fullness of God's Spirit at His Birth & thus became God in the flesh"; or, "Jesus came forth from within God's Person to take on human flesh, always endued with God's Spirit". I think you can see how someone might be confused as to what you are saying/believing, so was simply seeking clarification as to which one of those two (or, even another meaning), is your belief. But if you don't wish to proceed with this, then that's okay with me - thank you. GBU.
Myself and along with others, I'm sure will join you in prayer.
I'm not sure if there is a section in scripture for any situation.
Prayer is not a formula, incantation, or recipe, but rather a relationship with God. It's a way to connect with the God and ask for, wait for, and follow God's direction.
Prayer is not intended to be showy or to magically make things appear or disappear. Instead, it's about trusting God with the outcome and seeking His will.
God hears those who obey him and we know that all things work together for good to them that love God. Romans 8:28.
I will join you in prayer.
God bless you.