Q: What does the verse12 in the vision of John signify? The great eagle refers to the Lord Almighty is it not? If so why the voice from heaven, cry,"Woe to ye?"
A: Yes and No. Let us put the whole verse ,which is exclaimed from heaven."Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." How did the devil come down to you'? We read of "mighty men which were of old, men of renown," (Ge.6:2,4) and the mingled people mentioned in Ezra 9:2 began from here. The two camps of angels that Jacob saw at Mahanaim, refer to angels, cloud of witnesses as well as fallen angels that corrupted the earth. They are like two wings of an eagle. In our times also we see that Israel is helped by the spirit of disobedience working in the world. So the word of God says, "woe to ye" Celebrity culture did not pop up out of nowhere. What makes Elon Musk rant? Devil knows he has but a short time. The place chosen for the woman in wilderness is not from God. "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.(v.14) The holocaust under the Nazi regime is part of the line,"he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child."(v.13)
The two wings the great eagle that refers to v.6 is of God. They are grace and truth which establishes the other camp of angels that Jacob beheld. "And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him./And when Jacob saw them, he said, This is God's host: and he called the name of that place Mahanaim." (Ge.32:1-2) The place name in Hebrew means two camps or two companies.
Q: Do the remnant of her seed refer to the nation of Israel or to left-out church?
A: Both. In the vision the woman after dislodged from her preeminent position is helped on the earth and we have two distinct narratives. This verse is a transition point before the beast and the great tribulation are introduced. The last verse in this chapter says, "the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."This discounts the nation of Israel per se. In order to understand we need to set them in context of the sealing 144,000 in Ch.7. They are Christians but left out from the main event, rapture so we shall say these are the mingled people nevertheless redeemed by their stepping in the breach even as Seth did. As Jesus says in the Parable, "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?"(Matt.20:15-16) The same quality of his Son is made manifest in the many numbers of martyrs. The tag 144 (12x12) refers to the gospel of Christ. (144x1000). They have a quality that they are redeemed from the earth.(Re.14:3)
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood."(v.15) Behemoth "(he) is the chief of the ways of God) belongs to the earth,"Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth."( Job 40:23,19). By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent." This may refer to crocodile or Rehab or behemoth. "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." (Pr.16:4)
I can assure you God loves, honors, uses for his glory, guides, counsels, protects, comforts, etc. a woman as much as he does a man. As a woman, when I read Proverbs, I know it applies to me. I can see examples in other places in the Bible where "man" is written but mankind is the meaning. Proverbs 31 describes a virtuous woman.
Our GOD has not forgotten us. Let us stand fast in HIS promises and our past blessings. The current situation before us must drive us to the LORD JESUS CHRIST on our faces daily. May we not lose heart in HIM.
Let us be specific in our prayers regarding abortion, the peace in Jerusalem, harming the children, reading His word and acting on it. Our leadership to find CHRIST as their SAVIOR. The LORD to direct us in our prayers.
A bit of information about the grk in John 21. About "phileo" and "agapao" both meaning "to love" in anc grk.
Firstly Jesus was not talking to Peter in greek but in Hebrew. Is there such a distinction in the Hebrew language too? Personally I don't know.
John in his gospel, John 21:2, is using "egapa" (past tense, 3rd third person), describing Jesus who loved John.
In v 15 & 16 Jesus asks Peter if he loves Him ("agapas me?", do you love me?, question, third person). Peter answers that he loves Him ("philo se", I love you, first person)
In v 16 Jesus asks Peter again if he loves him (question and answer both use the verb "philao")
So it seems that at that time both verbs had the same meaning, for "to love".
Going back in time the verb "phileo" is older than "agapao". The latter started to be in common use sometime during the 3rd century BC, although it can be found in Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). By the time of Jesus both verbs were in use for the same thing, it is obvious in John 21. Later on, "phileo" had been abandoned for "to love"
Also, philia=friendship, philos=friend, philo/philao=also means "to kiss" (in both anc and mod grk), phili=kiss
agape=love, agapao/agapo=to love (for all kinds of love), eros/erotas=in love
A dear friend is in need of as much prayer as possible on earth to turn her heart to our Lord. I prayer for her eyes to open and that she be held in the arms of our Lord and Savior. I claim all His promises Yes and Amen. Thank you.
I agree with you. "There's a similarity between the description in Revelation 12 and the description that Joseph gave of his father Jacob (Israel) and his mother and their children in ( Genesis 37:9-11).
The twelve stars refer to the twelve tribes of Israel. So the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.
Verse 5 says that the woman's child was "a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Clearly, this is describing Jesus.
I have been blessed and continue to be blessed in the name of my SAVIOR. Though I have not been perfect, my LORD JESUS CHRIST is always perfect and faithful to His promises.
GOD to shine His face on all who have believed and trusted in the gospel of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Bless our nation, FATHER! For without You we are nothing. John 17
May I remember to filter all things through YOUR word, then I will be able to worship and praise YOU as is befitting my LORD KING SAVIOR of my life.
GOD to shine His face on all who are on this platform. FATHER, bless our nation to recognize Your Sovereignty over all things. Bless us to love and walk in Your commandments, for they are not grievous; but will teach us glorify You in all we do in Your name.
May many find salvation in the gospel of my LORD JESUS CHRIST today before they pass into eternity.
Do you not think it possible that the sun and moon and twelve stars could be connected to Joseph's dream ?
Also , I know someone who speaks very convincingly on the idea that in Revelation they represent flags , the twelve stars are part of the European Union flag , muslim countries flags all have a crescent moon on them and Japan's flag is a sun . I don't hold with this interpretation myself but he makes a good arguement for it .
Just presenting a couple of different prospectives for discussion purposes , hope you don't mind that . Always read through your messages and appreciate them .
Firstly , here are some scriptures that might help you : Galatians chapter 3 verses 26-28 .
Proverbs chapter 1 verse 20 , do you understand metaphor ? If not , look it up and try to understand it . Proverbs is poetry , poetry uses a lot of metaphor . Proverbs chapter 4 verses 5-9 . For the sake of poetry , many things that are neither male or female , are referred to as such . Had it occured to you that the son could be referring to Jesus , the Son of God ?
The Bible is full of metaphor , there's plenty of literalism in there too . Sometime things in the Bible can be literal and metaphorical at the same time . The more you read it the more familiar you will become with these concepts . Yes , it can be confusing at first , but don't let that put you off .
4 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
5 Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
Thank You LORD JESUS CHRIST for the grace and mercies that are new every morning! May we, who claim and worship You, walk in the same manner that will glorify You because You so richly deserve it.
GOD to shine His face on all the brethren that we remember to give ourselves as living sacrifices daily, "...holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."
11 Light is sown for the righteous, and gladness for the upright in heart.
12 Rejoice in the LORD, ye righteous; and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.
Praise His holy and precious name. I will choose to worship my SAVIOR in truth and in spirit. FATHER, bless our nation and our leaders with the desire to call on You, and learn of You. LORD JESUS CHRIST shine Your face on us and teach us to be "peculiar people" zealous of good works.
Q: "It is obvious the Spirit served the vision of John in Ch.12 as a counterpoint to the inaugural vision of Jesus Christ holding seven stars in his right hand. It evokes the vision of Daniel all the terror of judgement which is set in the books already opened. Are they all alike and as interchangeable?"
A: The Ancient of Days is the Law of the Spirit figuratively expressed and also Jesus Christ the Word become flesh. In his majesty with seven stars in his right hand poses the question,"Yea, before the daywasIamhe; andthere isnone that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?" (Is.43:13). The stars are the churches. Seven expresses perfection where life and the Law of the Spirit merge. The Dragon has seven heads and seven crowns but the ten horns sets his judgment at time appointed. So whosoever enters six days in the everlasting covenant but do not enter the seventh day (Ge.2:1) he is accrsed as the beast who is qualified as the son of perdition. He has also as many horns."having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."(13:1) The reason is simple. in refusing the Law of the Spirit he has become the son of Satan. It is thus the Woman loses her position and whatever name sons of Adam may have that does not restore former glory. From outer darkness the saved nation may move up as sons of God are caught up to the throne. The earth is condemned for fire notwithstanding. The volume of the holy city of God does not recognise their former names. The new earth means that everyone shall have accordingly a new name "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."(Re.2:17) It explains "the the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."(Dan.12:3)
Q:"For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven." Where do we see the Gospel of God in working while we follow the woman displaced from her position. Or the vision of John sets the will of God in terms of Jesus Christ, in mid-air the earth and in lower parts?"
A: We saw in Ch.6 with the breaking of the first four seals the riders setting out each after the path appointed by God so the rider on the white horse ses forth to conquer and conquering. In Ch.12 "And there was war in heaven:" (vv.7-8) As a result there are fallen angels. Angels "which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Re.12:9. The angels in v.9 are part of the corruption of mingled people that shall leave its taint till that great day. In this context we shall look up the significance of 120 days in Ge.6:3. Gospel is set in terms of "After our likeness" so 12x10 is not as many numbers but those who shall find their way into 144,000 in Re.14:1. Because God chose them. They turned around their own lives about the Law of the Spirit which refers to Ps.119:89
One point to remember what we are talking about resurrection having their own order does not apply here since the vision is the will of God all mapped out in entirety. For this reason Jesus shall see,"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."( Luke 10:18) The woman preserved in the wilderness carries number of days which is Gospel based. " And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."The tag of earthly ministry has its own significance (v.6) as "where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time,"(v.14)
Lastly Noah is set "after our likeness' So the volume of the Man is set in terms the ark as the holy city of God has is volume for each saint. (Re.21:16-17)
Hi Lorraine. You are correct, that Proverbs generally speaks to a male, whether Solomon's son or to a student generally. As well, in Proverbs 4:1, Proverbs 5:7, Proverbs 7:24, and Proverbs 8:32, we see Solomon addressing children. So bringing these together, we could safely accept that the wisdom for living that Solomon (& others) expressed in this Book, is directed to all people, even though the masculine gender is generally referred to & also to young people. And bearing in mind, that females usually did not have the same opportunities & liberties as males in that era (& even now in some countries), we can understand why Solomon focussed his teaching to a male, & to children (young ones).
So, like any other teaching in the Bible, we should take hold of the Truths therein & seek the Spirit's help to apply them to our lives, rather than being overly concerned about the person being addressed. An example in the NT: Jesus spoke to many people such as His disciples, the public that thronged Him, & even to the hypocritical religious leaders. If Jesus checked Martha preparing the meal or the Pharisee who falsely accused Him, both men & women today can still take away lessons from these & any other account, even if someone else is being addressed in the Bible.
As a woman, I'm having a very difficult time relating to Proverbs as it is very often addressing a male reader. I know if I take away any wording and insert my own, I'm being disobedient to the LORD JESUS' precious Word. For example, when it says "my son", how am I to relate to that teaching when it's speaking to a male when I'm not allowed to insert "my child" or" my daughter"?
Right now, I'm experiencing injustice. I broke my elbow at work. Then it turned into ulnar neuropathy.However, this type of disease cannot be detected by scanner, X-ray or magnetic reasoning.It is detectable at 65% on the electromyogram. I still have the other test, the ultrasound. Now I was on work accident insurance while waiting for an operation.The agent in charge went over the law, called and spoke to my doctor and made him fill out a consolidation paper, without him examining me and without warning me, making me sign an authorization.What tells me that she (the agent) acted dishonestly is that I had already started the process of contesting with my lawyer, since she had refused before and the revision too. Since I have proof, and since I was going to have another test, she hurried to have my file closed.
Now I have no income, my wife is sick and works part time. Me with my crippled arm I will have difficulty finding work.
The Day and night I have pain. It's worse at night, it's like a big abscess in a tooth. It burns and my little finger and the other one next to it are numb. I would like someone to pray for me. Two things:1 to be healed 2 to obtain justice. Have one or the other or both. Please pray for me. If it is his will.
Q: "What is the significance of the stars, the moon or the sun in the vision of Ch.12 if the woman is not the chosen one?"
A: First of all the stars are part of the ensemble the the Gospel of God signifies. "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.""(Dan.12:3). They denote the cloud of witnesses, and it is Person specific. Son as the soul of God witnesses, whch is what our inner man signifies in us. This being the case what is the significance of God making man a living soul? The gospel of God is preached and it is the very breath of God. All it requires to open your ear of faith. St Paul explains the process. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God./But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."(Ro.10:17-18). The number Twelve is expressed in terms of the Son. The command number Three and Gospel of God is consistent throughout, which gives us 12=3x4. This is the basis for the four and twenty elders arranged about the throne of heaven. They represent the heaven earth and the lower parts, (3x8).
Now we shall consider the rest of the regalia that made woman 'clothed with the sun'. The woman was called to occupy a position so when the Spirit speaks,"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."(Ge.2:25) glory of God was her covering. It is what the Spirit intends with the vision. It is for our spiritual instruction. Power and Wisdom are expressed in glory but with the fall of man the Gospel did not work well in her case. Her loss of position is a commentary on Re.12:4. "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth". Sons of Adam listened to heresies peddled by false teachers. They serve as the tail of the crooked serpent. (Is.9:15). Their works shall show up in heaven.
I'll be traveling back home from vacation on Monday, so I hope to be able to spend more time with these studies once I get back home. I have about a three-day drive ahead of me and should be home Wednesday. I'm glad you're enjoying the studies.
The passage in John reminds me of Matthew 12:48-50.
"But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
I have prayed for your friends in ICU. Always good to hear from you. God is able to answer all of our prayers as He sees fit, whether miraculously or not so much so. We can trust that He always does what is good and best for us, His children.
Do not have doubts, there are some things in Scripture we cannot come to a firm indisputable answer. Scripture does not contradict Scripture man does that. 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die. Then we have Hebrews 11:5 Enoch was translated that he should not see death. Then add John 3:13 no man hath ascended up to heaven, John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father.
What is the answer? We must trust that the Holy Spirit will show us the truth we need and if we have doubts that will hinder the Holy Spirit. Can we come to an answer without any assumptions? In Hebrews 11:5 Enoch was translated, what is translated, the Greek word metatithemi means to transfer, to change, to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another.
Did God translate Enoch to heaven? Enoch should not see death; the Greek word here is Thanatos meaning a physical or spiritual death. So, did God take Enoch to heaven? Enoch was 65 years old when he had Methuselah, it says Enoch walked with God after he had Methuselah for 300 years. This could mean Enoch changed and his faith in God was strengthened and he was serving God and God saved him from spiritual death, not physical death. There are only two men before the flood who are said they walked with God, Enoch, and Noah.
We may not ever have all our questions answered there are things that God has yet to reveal. The main thing is not to have doubts, sometimes we can be so focused on an answer to something and be like a dog chasing its tail going round and round and just can't catch it. We can be distracted and not be focused on what God wants us to do at this time. I have done this in the past, just ease your thoughts on this and open your Bible to any random place and read and let God's word wash away any doubts you have. Lose the doubts and pick this up later it is not that important.
Q: What does the verse12 in the vision of John signify? The great eagle refers to the Lord Almighty is it not? If so why the voice from heaven, cry,"Woe to ye?"
A: Yes and No. Let us put the whole verse ,which is exclaimed from heaven."Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." How did the devil come down to you'? We read of "mighty men which were of old, men of renown," (Ge.6:2,4) and the mingled people mentioned in Ezra 9:2 began from here. The two camps of angels that Jacob saw at Mahanaim, refer to angels, cloud of witnesses as well as fallen angels that corrupted the earth. They are like two wings of an eagle. In our times also we see that Israel is helped by the spirit of disobedience working in the world. So the word of God says, "woe to ye" Celebrity culture did not pop up out of nowhere. What makes Elon Musk rant? Devil knows he has but a short time. The place chosen for the woman in wilderness is not from God. "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.(v.14) The holocaust under the Nazi regime is part of the line,"he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child."(v.13)
The two wings the great eagle that refers to v.6 is of God. They are grace and truth which establishes the other camp of angels that Jacob beheld. "And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him./And when Jacob saw them, he said, This is God's host: and he called the name of that place Mahanaim." (Ge.32:1-2) The place name in Hebrew means two camps or two companies.
Q: Do the remnant of her seed refer to the nation of Israel or to left-out church?
A: Both. In the vision the woman after dislodged from her preeminent position is helped on the earth and we have two distinct narratives. This verse is a transition point before the beast and the great tribulation are introduced. The last verse in this chapter says, "the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."This discounts the nation of Israel per se. In order to understand we need to set them in context of the sealing 144,000 in Ch.7. They are Christians but left out from the main event, rapture so we shall say these are the mingled people nevertheless redeemed by their stepping in the breach even as Seth did. As Jesus says in the Parable, "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?"(Matt.20:15-16) The same quality of his Son is made manifest in the many numbers of martyrs. The tag 144 (12x12) refers to the gospel of Christ. (144x1000). They have a quality that they are redeemed from the earth.(Re.14:3)
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood."(v.15) Behemoth "(he) is the chief of the ways of God) belongs to the earth,"Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth."( Job 40:23,19). By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent." This may refer to crocodile or Rehab or behemoth. "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." (Pr.16:4)
Let us be specific in our prayers regarding abortion, the peace in Jerusalem, harming the children, reading His word and acting on it. Our leadership to find CHRIST as their SAVIOR. The LORD to direct us in our prayers.
GOD to shine His face on us daily.
September 21, 2024
A bit of information about the grk in John 21. About "phileo" and "agapao" both meaning "to love" in anc grk.
Firstly Jesus was not talking to Peter in greek but in Hebrew. Is there such a distinction in the Hebrew language too? Personally I don't know.
John in his gospel, John 21:2, is using "egapa" (past tense, 3rd third person), describing Jesus who loved John.
In v 15 & 16 Jesus asks Peter if he loves Him ("agapas me?", do you love me?, question, third person). Peter answers that he loves Him ("philo se", I love you, first person)
In v 16 Jesus asks Peter again if he loves him (question and answer both use the verb "philao")
So it seems that at that time both verbs had the same meaning, for "to love".
Going back in time the verb "phileo" is older than "agapao". The latter started to be in common use sometime during the 3rd century BC, although it can be found in Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). By the time of Jesus both verbs were in use for the same thing, it is obvious in John 21. Later on, "phileo" had been abandoned for "to love"
Also, philia=friendship, philos=friend, philo/philao=also means "to kiss" (in both anc and mod grk), phili=kiss
agape=love, agapao/agapo=to love (for all kinds of love), eros/erotas=in love
I agree with you. "There's a similarity between the description in Revelation 12 and the description that Joseph gave of his father Jacob (Israel) and his mother and their children in ( Genesis 37:9-11).
The twelve stars refer to the twelve tribes of Israel. So the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.
Verse 5 says that the woman's child was "a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Clearly, this is describing Jesus.
Thanks and God bless.
GOD to shine His face on all who have believed and trusted in the gospel of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Bless our nation, FATHER! For without You we are nothing. John 17
September 21, 2024 Titus 2:11-14
GOD to shine His face on all who are on this platform. FATHER, bless our nation to recognize Your Sovereignty over all things. Bless us to love and walk in Your commandments, for they are not grievous; but will teach us glorify You in all we do in Your name.
May many find salvation in the gospel of my LORD JESUS CHRIST today before they pass into eternity.
September 21, 2024
god is good all the time
Also , I know someone who speaks very convincingly on the idea that in Revelation they represent flags , the twelve stars are part of the European Union flag , muslim countries flags all have a crescent moon on them and Japan's flag is a sun . I don't hold with this interpretation myself but he makes a good arguement for it .
Just presenting a couple of different prospectives for discussion purposes , hope you don't mind that . Always read through your messages and appreciate them .
Proverbs chapter 1 verse 20 , do you understand metaphor ? If not , look it up and try to understand it . Proverbs is poetry , poetry uses a lot of metaphor . Proverbs chapter 4 verses 5-9 . For the sake of poetry , many things that are neither male or female , are referred to as such . Had it occured to you that the son could be referring to Jesus , the Son of God ?
The Bible is full of metaphor , there's plenty of literalism in there too . Sometime things in the Bible can be literal and metaphorical at the same time . The more you read it the more familiar you will become with these concepts . Yes , it can be confusing at first , but don't let that put you off .
5 Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
Thank You LORD JESUS CHRIST for the grace and mercies that are new every morning! May we, who claim and worship You, walk in the same manner that will glorify You because You so richly deserve it.
GOD to shine His face on all the brethren that we remember to give ourselves as living sacrifices daily, "...holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."
GOD bless all on this platform!
September 21, 2024
September 21, 2024
12 Rejoice in the LORD, ye righteous; and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.
Praise His holy and precious name. I will choose to worship my SAVIOR in truth and in spirit. FATHER, bless our nation and our leaders with the desire to call on You, and learn of You. LORD JESUS CHRIST shine Your face on us and teach us to be "peculiar people" zealous of good works.
September 21, 2024
Q: "It is obvious the Spirit served the vision of John in Ch.12 as a counterpoint to the inaugural vision of Jesus Christ holding seven stars in his right hand. It evokes the vision of Daniel all the terror of judgement which is set in the books already opened. Are they all alike and as interchangeable?"
A: The Ancient of Days is the Law of the Spirit figuratively expressed and also Jesus Christ the Word become flesh. In his majesty with seven stars in his right hand poses the question,"Yea, before the daywasIamhe; andthere isnone that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?" (Is.43:13). The stars are the churches. Seven expresses perfection where life and the Law of the Spirit merge. The Dragon has seven heads and seven crowns but the ten horns sets his judgment at time appointed. So whosoever enters six days in the everlasting covenant but do not enter the seventh day (Ge.2:1) he is accrsed as the beast who is qualified as the son of perdition. He has also as many horns."having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."(13:1) The reason is simple. in refusing the Law of the Spirit he has become the son of Satan. It is thus the Woman loses her position and whatever name sons of Adam may have that does not restore former glory. From outer darkness the saved nation may move up as sons of God are caught up to the throne. The earth is condemned for fire notwithstanding. The volume of the holy city of God does not recognise their former names. The new earth means that everyone shall have accordingly a new name "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."(Re.2:17) It explains "the the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."(Dan.12:3)
Q:"For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven." Where do we see the Gospel of God in working while we follow the woman displaced from her position. Or the vision of John sets the will of God in terms of Jesus Christ, in mid-air the earth and in lower parts?"
A: We saw in Ch.6 with the breaking of the first four seals the riders setting out each after the path appointed by God so the rider on the white horse ses forth to conquer and conquering. In Ch.12 "And there was war in heaven:" (vv.7-8) As a result there are fallen angels. Angels "which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Re.12:9. The angels in v.9 are part of the corruption of mingled people that shall leave its taint till that great day. In this context we shall look up the significance of 120 days in Ge.6:3. Gospel is set in terms of "After our likeness" so 12x10 is not as many numbers but those who shall find their way into 144,000 in Re.14:1. Because God chose them. They turned around their own lives about the Law of the Spirit which refers to Ps.119:89
One point to remember what we are talking about resurrection having their own order does not apply here since the vision is the will of God all mapped out in entirety. For this reason Jesus shall see,"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."( Luke 10:18) The woman preserved in the wilderness carries number of days which is Gospel based. " And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."The tag of earthly ministry has its own significance (v.6) as "where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time,"(v.14)
Lastly Noah is set "after our likeness' So the volume of the Man is set in terms the ark as the holy city of God has is volume for each saint. (Re.21:16-17)
So, like any other teaching in the Bible, we should take hold of the Truths therein & seek the Spirit's help to apply them to our lives, rather than being overly concerned about the person being addressed. An example in the NT: Jesus spoke to many people such as His disciples, the public that thronged Him, & even to the hypocritical religious leaders. If Jesus checked Martha preparing the meal or the Pharisee who falsely accused Him, both men & women today can still take away lessons from these & any other account, even if someone else is being addressed in the Bible.
Now I have no income, my wife is sick and works part time. Me with my crippled arm I will have difficulty finding work.
The Day and night I have pain. It's worse at night, it's like a big abscess in a tooth. It burns and my little finger and the other one next to it are numb. I would like someone to pray for me. Two things:1 to be healed 2 to obtain justice. Have one or the other or both. Please pray for me. If it is his will.
God bless you.Amen.
Q: "What is the significance of the stars, the moon or the sun in the vision of Ch.12 if the woman is not the chosen one?"
A: First of all the stars are part of the ensemble the the Gospel of God signifies. "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.""(Dan.12:3). They denote the cloud of witnesses, and it is Person specific. Son as the soul of God witnesses, whch is what our inner man signifies in us. This being the case what is the significance of God making man a living soul? The gospel of God is preached and it is the very breath of God. All it requires to open your ear of faith. St Paul explains the process. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God./But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."(Ro.10:17-18). The number Twelve is expressed in terms of the Son. The command number Three and Gospel of God is consistent throughout, which gives us 12=3x4. This is the basis for the four and twenty elders arranged about the throne of heaven. They represent the heaven earth and the lower parts, (3x8).
Now we shall consider the rest of the regalia that made woman 'clothed with the sun'. The woman was called to occupy a position so when the Spirit speaks,"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."(Ge.2:25) glory of God was her covering. It is what the Spirit intends with the vision. It is for our spiritual instruction. Power and Wisdom are expressed in glory but with the fall of man the Gospel did not work well in her case. Her loss of position is a commentary on Re.12:4. "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth". Sons of Adam listened to heresies peddled by false teachers. They serve as the tail of the crooked serpent. (Is.9:15). Their works shall show up in heaven.
I'll be traveling back home from vacation on Monday, so I hope to be able to spend more time with these studies once I get back home. I have about a three-day drive ahead of me and should be home Wednesday. I'm glad you're enjoying the studies.
Blessing to you also!
The ones who are battling with addiction.
Give us strength and show us the way lord.
Healing my heart, my mind, and the way I use my words , to not be so angry , I can't do it on my own I need Jesus ,
Phileo Love.
The passage in John reminds me of Matthew 12:48-50.
"But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Thanks and God bless.
I have prayed for your friends in ICU. Always good to hear from you. God is able to answer all of our prayers as He sees fit, whether miraculously or not so much so. We can trust that He always does what is good and best for us, His children.
Do not have doubts, there are some things in Scripture we cannot come to a firm indisputable answer. Scripture does not contradict Scripture man does that. 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die. Then we have Hebrews 11:5 Enoch was translated that he should not see death. Then add John 3:13 no man hath ascended up to heaven, John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father.
What is the answer? We must trust that the Holy Spirit will show us the truth we need and if we have doubts that will hinder the Holy Spirit. Can we come to an answer without any assumptions? In Hebrews 11:5 Enoch was translated, what is translated, the Greek word metatithemi means to transfer, to change, to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another.
Did God translate Enoch to heaven? Enoch should not see death; the Greek word here is Thanatos meaning a physical or spiritual death. So, did God take Enoch to heaven? Enoch was 65 years old when he had Methuselah, it says Enoch walked with God after he had Methuselah for 300 years. This could mean Enoch changed and his faith in God was strengthened and he was serving God and God saved him from spiritual death, not physical death. There are only two men before the flood who are said they walked with God, Enoch, and Noah.
We may not ever have all our questions answered there are things that God has yet to reveal. The main thing is not to have doubts, sometimes we can be so focused on an answer to something and be like a dog chasing its tail going round and round and just can't catch it. We can be distracted and not be focused on what God wants us to do at this time. I have done this in the past, just ease your thoughts on this and open your Bible to any random place and read and let God's word wash away any doubts you have. Lose the doubts and pick this up later it is not that important.
God bless,
RLW