That is a very interesting question; and I would have to agree with you.
The first issue here you brought up as to the role the Spirit is playing. It is part of the Godhead; Jesus said will He not give you more of the Spirit if you ask Him ( Luke 11:13) referring to asking the FATHER for the "good gifts". We can certainly praise God or Jesus for what comes from Him; thus involving through worship; singing and or prayer.
Another problem is whether the spirit being invoked is the Holy Spirit or some other thing that appeals to the flesh. If the Spirit is working then of course it reminds us of "sin; righteousness and judgment to come" ( John 16:8-11). We are thus to be humbled; and through that "sacrifice of praise" ( Heb. 13:15-16) then He is truly exalted.
This is tricky as the Holy Spirit is to be exalted and revered as part of the Godhead. As you pointed out though in Christ's life and scriptures this sort of activity (praying TO the Spirit or any other form of worship) didn't occur. The Spirit was His helper and is said to be ours. The SOURCE is always from heavenly places and proceeds from the Father. This is also the case with Christ who is to be worshipped Himself but also in the Godhead He did nothing of His own but did the "works of the Father"; John 5:19 actually makes it clear that He can do NOTHING of His own. Nonetheless God has raised Him up giving Him all authority (which He already had but it was made official). ( Matt. 28:18-20).
I will have to give this question further consideration; and may have further thoughts later on. I have a feeling there are some other pertinent points that need to be made and this could be a real discussion starter.
Alex1939...Greg leme just add this...Jesus said outta of the mouths of Babes and sucklings thou has Perfected Praise and thats y we must be bornagain....Humanity needs to birth a baby Christ a babe and suckling which is Spirit the H.G. that Child of Promise.
Our praise is too tainted with our carnal minds that goes a whoring after all kinds of materistic things and money...God is spirit and them that worship him must worship him in in spirit and truth...The Father seeketh such to worship him..Which is the H.G our new hearts and new spirits from the seed of the sower...That New Covenant in his blood...
Jesus will not sire flesh and blood children...As his seed is the living word the very seed of God...Thats y he is saying to whom the word came His seed ( the living word ) it made them Gods...God wants Perfect PRAISE which can only come via his incorruptible seed planted in our hearts and minds...Making us a new creature that will still the avenger the devil in us...The tares and thorns that are in a warfare with satan...Our old... Psalms 8:2 Outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected Praise that he might still the avenger the devil the Tares that satan has put in our hearts to destroy the babe and suckling the H.G. THE WHEAT...This war rages with in us....
As Jesus said there is gona be war in heaven...And the Kingdom of God suffers violence....Thats y we must endure till the end till the tares are gathered up and burned but the wheat to his barn his kingdom...K Gbu
Why do some churches worship ,sing songs to, and pray to the Holy Spirit? Christ taught in John 16 that the Holy Spirit does not speak of Himself, but glorifies Jesus. I'm don't want to be contentious, it's just that I've not found any scriptural examples of saints offering worship like this.
Hi Robert. The word in Greek refers to 'begetting again or begetting into a new life'. I suppose the thought is as expressed by our Lord in John 3:1-7 in His encounter with Nicodemus & also again referred to by Peter in 1 Peter 1:23, where "born again" is used to denote that we were born once (physically) & the second time (spiritually). Thus, those who have come to Christ in faith have had two births, hence being "begotten again" (a second time).
Martha let me give ya my take on Spirits...The Father and the son are one but 2 distinct beings....Like in the natural the father is greater then his son....But in time the Son becomes equal to his father...And the Father loves it so....He thought it not robbery to be equal to his Father..But he does say that my Father is greater then I...Only the Son died, not his father so they are 2 disctinct beings but both God....When David said the Lord said unto my Lord sit thou at my right hand till i make your enemies your footstool....That 1 lil Scripture proves 2 distinct beings...Both God...This Father and Son relationship begs the Question of a Granson (a heavenly Jacob) and equally important an Israel of God that is gonna be as the stars of heaven in multitiude....Just as Natural Israel was multiplied as the Sands of the Seas...The Israel of GOD is gona be multiplied as the stars of heaven ...Which are spirits ...But these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto Babes...The H.G. the Granson...That which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. The Granson....That Heavenly Jacob as in Isaiah 49
.....Without this Abrahamic Trinity....Father, Son and Granson scenario....There cd not have been the 12 tribes....That resulted in the nation of Israel...Like wise in the spiritual realm there has to be an Israel of God....There has to be a perfect Israel....Be ye PERFECT as your father in heaven is PERFECT....Thats y Jesus will go forth to sow his PERFECT seed in humanity....Which are Spirits, The contents of that BOOK..in the fathers right hand...That New Covenant...Which will result in the BABES and SUCKLINGS...The Gransons ...Which are Spirits the H.G...Many as the stars of Heaven...Which answers to our New hearts and new Spirits...an Israel of God...That cannot sin simply b/c they are born of God via that good seed of Christ Jesus....That was the Great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of Heaven..We be the woman in birth pains.
Man, born of woman, (FLESH), is like a Beast of the Earth, NO KNOWLEDGE.
The Holy Ghost came to GIVE MAN KNOWLEDGE.
So we can be BORN OF SPIRIT.
God IS SPIRIT, no beginning and no end.
God created a IMMORTAL BODY, and put inside that IMMORTAL BODY, HIS SPIRIT (Himself), and called that BODY, Jesus Christ, the first man, the TRUE ADAM, with no beginning and no end.
Here is a PROPHECY in Genesis:
Genesis 5:2 Male and Female created he them, and blessed them, and CALLED THEIR NAME ADAM. in the DAY they were created.
That day (of that creation), is called the DAY OF THE LORD, the day you come out of darkness into light. You come to the KNOWLEDGE that by the RESURRECTION of Christ's NEW BODY (YOU and I) and the NEW LIFE by the SPIRIT of THE FATHER: we become ADAM, Christ was the first ADAM, before the flesh and blood Adam, we are the last, ADAM, created in Christ Jesus
Revelation 1:8 ... Revelation 22:13 I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
Ephesians 4:4 ....ONE BODY .......
There is only ONE BODY that can exist in the next age, and THAT BODY is the BODY OF CHRIST.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only (Christ only) hath immortality, dwelling in the LIGHT ......
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth IT (the new creation in Christ) a BODY as it hath pleased him, and to ever SEED HIS (God's on body), God's BODY IS JESUS CHRIST.
WE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST, The Father (SPIRIT) being THE LIFE, of the BODY.
This NEW BIRTH happens when your body of FLESH and BLOOD DIES.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN (Alpha) among many brethren (Omega).
Hello Martha GBU.... But let me give ya slant on Spirits....They are individual....As the Trinity is Father Son and Granson...They are all 3 related...As Father Son and Granson...But 3 distinct beings...As the bible speaks of God being the Father of Spirts...As his good seed is his Word...Jesus himself was the word ( Gods Seed made flesh and blood )... Just as Abraham was multiplied as the sands of the seas...Father God swore by himself that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven....Thus an Israel of God which are individual Spirits...b/c of his seed...not the written word but the living Word...Thats y the sower of that good Seed a spiritual seed will multiply very God....Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the Word came ( his seed ) it made them Gods plural thus we see that Spirits can be born in humanity.
...When Jesus breath on them he was propagating very God ( spirits ) with his breath which was his Word...And the H.G. was born in them some days later...Thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit...They don't call Jesus the bridegroom for nothin, He has a seed to sow in humanity...And the Child is the H.G. THAT WAS THE GREAT PROMISE THAT CHRIST WD BE MULTIPLIED AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN IN MULTITUDE...And when God swore by his self implied this multiplication wd be the Regeneration of VERY GOD...And Hebrews 9 : 12 Refers to God as the FATHER OF SPIRITS.which are th New Born babes desiring the sincere milk of the word,..Thats y the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed ( the word ) in humanity...That we might birth a Baby Christ the H.G. that Child of PROMISE...Natural Israel were humans...But the Israel of God are Spirits that are gonna be born in us sinners...Our New HEART and New Spirits are the result of his seed the words of that New Covenant living words...meaning living spirits all distinct living beings..Each Spirit an indiviual living being ..The Babes and Sucklings he mentions are SPIRITS that are gonna BE BORN IN US SINNERS.
No Martha, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one & self-same Spirit. We understand this because of the Deity of the Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit is a vital Person within the Godhead, or Trinity), & by the procession of the Spirit (i.e. the Spirit proceeding from both the Father & the Son, without any change or division in God's Nature).
a. the Spirit's Deity.
Proven by His Names (Equality: 1 Corinthians 6:11; Doing the Work of God: Romans 8:15; John 14:16).
Proven by His Characteristics (All-knowing: 1 Corinthians 2:10,11; Everywhere: Psalm 139:7; All-powerful: Genesis 1:2; Truth: 1 John 5:6; Holiness: Luke 11:13; Life: Romans 8:2; Wisdom: Isaiah 40:13).
Proven by His Works (In creation: Genesis 1:2; Inspiration: 2 Peter 1:21; Begetting Christ: Luke 1:35; Convincing men: John 16:8; Regenerating: John 3:5,6; Comforting: John 14:16; Interceding: Romans 8:26,27; Sanctifying: 2 Thessalonians 2:13).
Proven by His equality with the Father & Son ( Acts 5:3,4; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
b. the Spirit's Procession.
Proceeded from the Father ( John 15:26).
Proceeded from the Son ( Galatians 4:6; Romans 8:9; John 16:7).
So, I hope you can see that the Holy Spirit, whether spoken of God or of Jesus, is the same Spirit, for He is one with the Father & the Son. Then when we come to 1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit", again the one & same Holy Spirit is seen here, but we now see His special work where His coming into our lives, affects our spirits and baptizes us (brings us into union) with the whole family of God (into one Body, i.e. of Christ).
Hello Marie. Certainly, those thoughts you shared are found in 1 Peter chapter 1, but if I might share more specifically on this chapter.
The Apostle Peter is writing to Christians scattered throughout Asia Minor, sharing with them various things about the conduct of their faith (chapter 1), their conduct before their superiors (chapter 2), their conduct through times of suffering & testing (chapters 3 & 4), & a word to the elders & those submitted to them (chapter 5).
So, in chapter 1 specifically, Peter encourages the believers with the promise, that God Who has chosen them to be His, will also reserve in Heaven for them an inheritance that cannot be changed or removed. And God will also keep them (i.e. secure their faith) right to the end. With such a promise of future blessing, these believers were encouraged to persevere through their trials & afflictions, conduct their lives in holy living, having deep reverence toward God Who judges righteously, and to live in the Spirit (where a deep, genuine love will be shown to each other). Bro. S. Spencer has given a recent detailed thread on the outflow of that special love (Agape) that comes when the Spirit indwells us & has His gracious control over us - you may like to search for it & refresh your spirit by it. I trust the above helps in understanding this chapter: that God Who chooses us also promises us an eternity with Him (and of course, His Son Jesus Christ).
the parable of the good Samaritan is just one of many that one could choose, and as you read the NT many others will stand out.
Luke 10:25-37
"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?" And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself."
Philippians 2:5-10
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
The concept of sanctification in verse two follows a pattern that in the END; will result in salvation of our souls (verse 9). This demonstrates that faith must continue until the end; and as other verses in scripture demonstrate fruit must be produced. We must look at John 3:16 in a similar manner; he who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life is in context and grammar indicating a faith that is continual in scope. It is His faithfulness; ultimately that those who have been foreordained (verse 20); but in real time it is manifest; or shown and that in the characteristic of saints walking in the Spirit. Verse 22 has another interesting point; the "unfeigned" love of other believers. When we see many fellowships more like social clubs; the command to love one another is truly not met. If we see the Body as a visual representation of Christ in His church; the agape love of sacrificial lives is what is meant. Too often there is companionship with those of like interests or family members rather than those who hold us accountable in prayer and confessing sins to one another. We are too timid to exhort one another or rebuke one another; deferring to a misunderstanding of verses where we are told not to judge one another. If we love someone; we want the best for them; and will do whatever it takes to facilitate that.
The last few verses once again force us to examine our hearts; to make sure natural talents or attributes are not what motivates us; but those affections that come from above. Those in the prosperity gospel movement or music industry need to carefully examine this in light of the medial propaganda that cannot clearly be differentiated at best from that of the world.
God was saving People long before Abraham, There was no Israelite. But to answer your question, Here's one of many of many verses.
Acts 15:7-11. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8) And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10) Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
NOTICE VERSE 11.
11) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ ( WE SHALL BE SAVED EVEN AS THEY.)
"We shall be saved even as they"
If you're not careful you would think it should be the other way around.
"They shall be saved even as us.
Do you see the order of God's redemption plan spoken of by Paul to the Romans?
1 peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
Written to scattered Israelites..........where is the undeniable biblical proof that the new covenant is for non-Israelites?
Who are the Israelites? What is an Israelite? Are the tea brews correct when they say that the Israelites are a particular ethnic group and the gospel and salvation is only for God's people, the ethnic Israelites?
'World' in the bible is an ambiguous word. According to particular verses; the tongue is a world, there are worlds, the end of the world has already happened. 'Gentiles' is also an ambiguous word because scattered Israelites are called Gentiles when they are idolatrous.
I have found a few verses that seem to suggest that God Loves non-Israelites. Nineveh repented. Is there biblical proof that Nineveh were not scattered ethnic Israelites? Did Nineveh happen before Israel's offspring?
I know that salvation is spiritual through belief and not flesh but not all Israel is Israel. That could mean that only Israelites can receive a spiritual rebirth.
Does salvation only apply to ethnic Israelites?
I'm collecting verses that debunk the doctrine that only ethnic Israelites can be children of God. There are multiple verses that say that God Loves Israel. I'm obviously looking for verses that say that God Loves people who aren't ethnic Israelites. John 3:16 uses the ambiguous word 'world'....'world' could mean Israel, it's not clear. 'Whosoever' could be talking about the Israelites. The scriptures were written by Israelites to Israelites, so 'whosoever' may only apply to Israelites.
'All men' is also ambiguous because of the verse that says: you will be hated by 'all men' for my name's sake.
Israelites were scattered into 'all' nations..the 12 tribes and 12 gates...
The tea brews make some strong arguments that the bible is only for Israelites. Who are the Israelites?
Those in Abraham's bosom across from hell! Remember Lazarus and the rich man. Our sin was paid for on the cross, it is finished! Those that followed after God didn't know who the messiah was! Remember even the apostles didn't understand why Jesus had to die. He preached to those in Paradise or Abraham's bosom! They were then resurrected following Him to Heaven. Paradise is no longer there. Hell is.
Thanks for the response. I completely agree with you that Hades is not Hell. I also agree with your description of Hell. I used the word Hades because that's the word the Greek text uses. The word Hell in Luke 16:23 is the word Hades in the Greek text. There is actually only one place in the Bible that is actually Hell and that's the lake of fire in the book of Revelation, the final destination. In fact, Hades will be emptied out into the lake of fire. The word Hades means the place of unseen spirits. No physical body, just spirits.
Prior to the death of Christ on the cross, when a person died they went to a place called Hades. For the ones who will eventually be sent to Hell, they were on one side, and the saints waiting for the Messiah to come for their salvation were on the other. Scripture tells us that there was a great gulf fixed between the two compartments of Hades. No one could ever cross over from one side to the other. Today, there is only one compartment to Hades and it is full of those who are waiting for the final judgment, and they will then be cast into the lake of fire. There is no hope of salvation for them. Those who die rejecting Jesus Christ will no longer have a chance at salvation after death. Ephesians Chapter 4 tells us that when Jesus died that for three days and three nights He was in the heart of the earth. He was down setting the prisoners free. He was down in Hades on the side where the saints were with Abraham.
As a matter of fact, in Matthew Chapter 27 it tells us that when Jesus rose from the dead, many of the Old Testament saints were seen walking through the streets of Jerusalem because He the raised them up. He went down there and preached to them (the OT saints), and told them that their salvation has been purchased for them and they will now be with Him in paradise. These were the saints that were with Abraham.
I'm out of space here. Would you like me to address the second part, along with the verses you sent?
Responding to you mentioning Hades and releasing the saints.
Luke 16:23
"And in Hell he lift up his eyes, (Note not hades) being in torments,"
Many counterfeits refuse to translate the Greek word "haides". Rather than translate "haides" to the word "hell", the counterfeit will transliterate the Greek word "haides" into the English "hades". By this trick the counterfeit attempts to extinguish the flames of hell. Hades is not "hell". Hell is flames, torments, weeping and wailing, complete darkness - forever. Hades is a new-age place of purification, or a fantasy place in Greek mythology. The Assyrian Hades is an abode of blessedness with silver skies called Happy Fields.
Then you also mentioned that Jesus went to release the other saints but the Bible says he went to minister to the lost souls.
1 Peter 3: 18-22
During the 3 day's before his resurrection.
Christ descended to HELL to Preach to the lost souls in hell who rejected Christ in the day's of Noah.
The generation before and during Noahs time never had the Bible or scrolls of the Laws of God only the very rich and elect few had knowledge of the old time law's.
Because Christ said all will have a chance to repent and to get to now him personally.
Romans 14:11
For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Romans 10:14
How then will they call on Him (Jesus Christ) in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in Him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
We know that in John 2:19, Jesus said destroy this temple (speaking of His body) and I will raise it up. So Jesus said He would raise His own body from the grave.
It is interesting, because we read that right before Jesus died, He dismissed His Spirit. His body was laid in the tomb, but we also read that during those three days while His body laid in the grave, He went into the lower parts of the earth, to a place called Hades, and He released the Old Testament saints. So His Spirit was separate from His body.
I believe that after that took place, Jesus then raised His physical body from the grave, as He said He would do. I believe Jesus had the power to raise Himself. We know He has resurrection power, as we read in the account of Him raising Lazarus from the grave.
I also believe that Jesus is God. He is God the Son. I believe also in God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. All three, co-equal, and co-eternal, and all three being one God.
1 Peter 1:21. Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Holyspirit.
Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Jesus.
John 10:17-18. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Kevin In the context of 1 Peter starting at verse 19 But with the precious blood of Christ as of a lamb without blemish and without spot verse 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world but was manifest [brought into physical evidence] in these last times for you. This is talking about Jesus Christ, 21 Who by him Jesus Christ do believe in God that raised Him Jesus christ from the dead and gave him Jesus Christ glory that your faith and hope might be in God. In His Service
Question: In 1 Peter 1-21, who specifically is "God" that raised Christ? Is it a.) the Father, or b.) the Holy Spirit, or c.) Christ himself, or d.) some combination of the Trinity?
The first issue here you brought up as to the role the Spirit is playing. It is part of the Godhead; Jesus said will He not give you more of the Spirit if you ask Him ( Luke 11:13) referring to asking the FATHER for the "good gifts". We can certainly praise God or Jesus for what comes from Him; thus involving through worship; singing and or prayer.
Another problem is whether the spirit being invoked is the Holy Spirit or some other thing that appeals to the flesh. If the Spirit is working then of course it reminds us of "sin; righteousness and judgment to come" ( John 16:8-11). We are thus to be humbled; and through that "sacrifice of praise" ( Heb. 13:15-16) then He is truly exalted.
This is tricky as the Holy Spirit is to be exalted and revered as part of the Godhead. As you pointed out though in Christ's life and scriptures this sort of activity (praying TO the Spirit or any other form of worship) didn't occur. The Spirit was His helper and is said to be ours. The SOURCE is always from heavenly places and proceeds from the Father. This is also the case with Christ who is to be worshipped Himself but also in the Godhead He did nothing of His own but did the "works of the Father"; John 5:19 actually makes it clear that He can do NOTHING of His own. Nonetheless God has raised Him up giving Him all authority (which He already had but it was made official). ( Matt. 28:18-20).
I will have to give this question further consideration; and may have further thoughts later on. I have a feeling there are some other pertinent points that need to be made and this could be a real discussion starter.
Agape; RIch P
Our praise is too tainted with our carnal minds that goes a whoring after all kinds of materistic things and money...God is spirit and them that worship him must worship him in in spirit and truth...The Father seeketh such to worship him..Which is the H.G our new hearts and new spirits from the seed of the sower...That New Covenant in his blood...
Jesus will not sire flesh and blood children...As his seed is the living word the very seed of God...Thats y he is saying to whom the word came His seed ( the living word ) it made them Gods...God wants Perfect PRAISE which can only come via his incorruptible seed planted in our hearts and minds...Making us a new creature that will still the avenger the devil in us...The tares and thorns that are in a warfare with satan...Our old... Psalms 8:2 Outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected Praise that he might still the avenger the devil the Tares that satan has put in our hearts to destroy the babe and suckling the H.G. THE WHEAT...This war rages with in us....
As Jesus said there is gona be war in heaven...And the Kingdom of God suffers violence....Thats y we must endure till the end till the tares are gathered up and burned but the wheat to his barn his kingdom...K Gbu
Regards,
Alexis
When we receive Christ we then become of A (New Nature)
.....Without this Abrahamic Trinity....Father, Son and Granson scenario....There cd not have been the 12 tribes....That resulted in the nation of Israel...Like wise in the spiritual realm there has to be an Israel of God....There has to be a perfect Israel....Be ye PERFECT as your father in heaven is PERFECT....Thats y Jesus will go forth to sow his PERFECT seed in humanity....Which are Spirits, The contents of that BOOK..in the fathers right hand...That New Covenant...Which will result in the BABES and SUCKLINGS...The Gransons ...Which are Spirits the H.G...Many as the stars of Heaven...Which answers to our New hearts and new Spirits...an Israel of God...That cannot sin simply b/c they are born of God via that good seed of Christ Jesus....That was the Great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of Heaven..We be the woman in birth pains.
John 4:24 God is Spirit .....
Ephesians 4:4 ONE SPIRIT ...ONE BODY ...
Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD and FATHER OF ALL .....
Man, born of woman, (FLESH), is like a Beast of the Earth, NO KNOWLEDGE.
The Holy Ghost came to GIVE MAN KNOWLEDGE.
So we can be BORN OF SPIRIT.
God IS SPIRIT, no beginning and no end.
God created a IMMORTAL BODY, and put inside that IMMORTAL BODY, HIS SPIRIT (Himself), and called that BODY, Jesus Christ, the first man, the TRUE ADAM, with no beginning and no end.
Here is a PROPHECY in Genesis:
Genesis 5:2 Male and Female created he them, and blessed them, and CALLED THEIR NAME ADAM. in the DAY they were created.
That day (of that creation), is called the DAY OF THE LORD, the day you come out of darkness into light. You come to the KNOWLEDGE that by the RESURRECTION of Christ's NEW BODY (YOU and I) and the NEW LIFE by the SPIRIT of THE FATHER: we become ADAM, Christ was the first ADAM, before the flesh and blood Adam, we are the last, ADAM, created in Christ Jesus
Revelation 1:8 ... Revelation 22:13 I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
Ephesians 4:4 ....ONE BODY .......
There is only ONE BODY that can exist in the next age, and THAT BODY is the BODY OF CHRIST.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only (Christ only) hath immortality, dwelling in the LIGHT ......
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth IT (the new creation in Christ) a BODY as it hath pleased him, and to ever SEED HIS (God's on body), God's BODY IS JESUS CHRIST.
WE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST, The Father (SPIRIT) being THE LIFE, of the BODY.
This NEW BIRTH happens when your body of FLESH and BLOOD DIES.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN (Alpha) among many brethren (Omega).
God Bless You.
...When Jesus breath on them he was propagating very God ( spirits ) with his breath which was his Word...And the H.G. was born in them some days later...Thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit...They don't call Jesus the bridegroom for nothin, He has a seed to sow in humanity...And the Child is the H.G. THAT WAS THE GREAT PROMISE THAT CHRIST WD BE MULTIPLIED AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN IN MULTITUDE...And when God swore by his self implied this multiplication wd be the Regeneration of VERY GOD...And Hebrews 9 : 12 Refers to God as the FATHER OF SPIRITS.which are th New Born babes desiring the sincere milk of the word,..Thats y the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed ( the word ) in humanity...That we might birth a Baby Christ the H.G. that Child of PROMISE...Natural Israel were humans...But the Israel of God are Spirits that are gonna be born in us sinners...Our New HEART and New Spirits are the result of his seed the words of that New Covenant living words...meaning living spirits all distinct living beings..Each Spirit an indiviual living being ..The Babes and Sucklings he mentions are SPIRITS that are gonna BE BORN IN US SINNERS.
a. the Spirit's Deity.
Proven by His Names (Equality: 1 Corinthians 6:11; Doing the Work of God: Romans 8:15; John 14:16).
Proven by His Characteristics (All-knowing: 1 Corinthians 2:10,11; Everywhere: Psalm 139:7; All-powerful: Genesis 1:2; Truth: 1 John 5:6; Holiness: Luke 11:13; Life: Romans 8:2; Wisdom: Isaiah 40:13).
Proven by His Works (In creation: Genesis 1:2; Inspiration: 2 Peter 1:21; Begetting Christ: Luke 1:35; Convincing men: John 16:8; Regenerating: John 3:5,6; Comforting: John 14:16; Interceding: Romans 8:26,27; Sanctifying: 2 Thessalonians 2:13).
Proven by His equality with the Father & Son ( Acts 5:3,4; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
b. the Spirit's Procession.
Proceeded from the Father ( John 15:26).
Proceeded from the Son ( Galatians 4:6; Romans 8:9; John 16:7).
So, I hope you can see that the Holy Spirit, whether spoken of God or of Jesus, is the same Spirit, for He is one with the Father & the Son. Then when we come to 1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit", again the one & same Holy Spirit is seen here, but we now see His special work where His coming into our lives, affects our spirits and baptizes us (brings us into union) with the whole family of God (into one Body, i.e. of Christ).
1Peter 1:3-9
The Apostle Peter is writing to Christians scattered throughout Asia Minor, sharing with them various things about the conduct of their faith (chapter 1), their conduct before their superiors (chapter 2), their conduct through times of suffering & testing (chapters 3 & 4), & a word to the elders & those submitted to them (chapter 5).
So, in chapter 1 specifically, Peter encourages the believers with the promise, that God Who has chosen them to be His, will also reserve in Heaven for them an inheritance that cannot be changed or removed. And God will also keep them (i.e. secure their faith) right to the end. With such a promise of future blessing, these believers were encouraged to persevere through their trials & afflictions, conduct their lives in holy living, having deep reverence toward God Who judges righteously, and to live in the Spirit (where a deep, genuine love will be shown to each other). Bro. S. Spencer has given a recent detailed thread on the outflow of that special love (Agape) that comes when the Spirit indwells us & has His gracious control over us - you may like to search for it & refresh your spirit by it. I trust the above helps in understanding this chapter: that God Who chooses us also promises us an eternity with Him (and of course, His Son Jesus Christ).
talking about first peter chapter one
Luke 10:25-37
"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?" And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself."
Philippians 2:5-10
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
His life
The last few verses once again force us to examine our hearts; to make sure natural talents or attributes are not what motivates us; but those affections that come from above. Those in the prosperity gospel movement or music industry need to carefully examine this in light of the medial propaganda that cannot clearly be differentiated at best from that of the world.
God was saving People long before Abraham, There was no Israelite. But to answer your question, Here's one of many of many verses.
Acts 15:7-11. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8) And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10) Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
NOTICE VERSE 11.
11) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ ( WE SHALL BE SAVED EVEN AS THEY.)
"We shall be saved even as they"
If you're not careful you would think it should be the other way around.
"They shall be saved even as us.
Do you see the order of God's redemption plan spoken of by Paul to the Romans?
Romans 9:25-26.
Romans 9:31-33.
Romans 10:1-4.
Romans 10:19-21.
Romans 11:8-25.
Here's the conclusion.
Romans 11:29-33.
God bless.
Written to scattered Israelites..........where is the undeniable biblical proof that the new covenant is for non-Israelites?
Who are the Israelites? What is an Israelite? Are the tea brews correct when they say that the Israelites are a particular ethnic group and the gospel and salvation is only for God's people, the ethnic Israelites?
'World' in the bible is an ambiguous word. According to particular verses; the tongue is a world, there are worlds, the end of the world has already happened. 'Gentiles' is also an ambiguous word because scattered Israelites are called Gentiles when they are idolatrous.
I have found a few verses that seem to suggest that God Loves non-Israelites. Nineveh repented. Is there biblical proof that Nineveh were not scattered ethnic Israelites? Did Nineveh happen before Israel's offspring?
I know that salvation is spiritual through belief and not flesh but not all Israel is Israel. That could mean that only Israelites can receive a spiritual rebirth.
Does salvation only apply to ethnic Israelites?
I'm collecting verses that debunk the doctrine that only ethnic Israelites can be children of God. There are multiple verses that say that God Loves Israel. I'm obviously looking for verses that say that God Loves people who aren't ethnic Israelites. John 3:16 uses the ambiguous word 'world'....'world' could mean Israel, it's not clear. 'Whosoever' could be talking about the Israelites. The scriptures were written by Israelites to Israelites, so 'whosoever' may only apply to Israelites.
'All men' is also ambiguous because of the verse that says: you will be hated by 'all men' for my name's sake.
Israelites were scattered into 'all' nations..the 12 tribes and 12 gates...
The tea brews make some strong arguments that the bible is only for Israelites. Who are the Israelites?
Thanks for the response. I completely agree with you that Hades is not Hell. I also agree with your description of Hell. I used the word Hades because that's the word the Greek text uses. The word Hell in Luke 16:23 is the word Hades in the Greek text. There is actually only one place in the Bible that is actually Hell and that's the lake of fire in the book of Revelation, the final destination. In fact, Hades will be emptied out into the lake of fire. The word Hades means the place of unseen spirits. No physical body, just spirits.
Prior to the death of Christ on the cross, when a person died they went to a place called Hades. For the ones who will eventually be sent to Hell, they were on one side, and the saints waiting for the Messiah to come for their salvation were on the other. Scripture tells us that there was a great gulf fixed between the two compartments of Hades. No one could ever cross over from one side to the other. Today, there is only one compartment to Hades and it is full of those who are waiting for the final judgment, and they will then be cast into the lake of fire. There is no hope of salvation for them. Those who die rejecting Jesus Christ will no longer have a chance at salvation after death. Ephesians Chapter 4 tells us that when Jesus died that for three days and three nights He was in the heart of the earth. He was down setting the prisoners free. He was down in Hades on the side where the saints were with Abraham.
As a matter of fact, in Matthew Chapter 27 it tells us that when Jesus rose from the dead, many of the Old Testament saints were seen walking through the streets of Jerusalem because He the raised them up. He went down there and preached to them (the OT saints), and told them that their salvation has been purchased for them and they will now be with Him in paradise. These were the saints that were with Abraham.
I'm out of space here. Would you like me to address the second part, along with the verses you sent?
Luke 16:23
"And in Hell he lift up his eyes, (Note not hades) being in torments,"
Many counterfeits refuse to translate the Greek word "haides". Rather than translate "haides" to the word "hell", the counterfeit will transliterate the Greek word "haides" into the English "hades". By this trick the counterfeit attempts to extinguish the flames of hell. Hades is not "hell". Hell is flames, torments, weeping and wailing, complete darkness - forever. Hades is a new-age place of purification, or a fantasy place in Greek mythology. The Assyrian Hades is an abode of blessedness with silver skies called Happy Fields.
Then you also mentioned that Jesus went to release the other saints but the Bible says he went to minister to the lost souls.
1 Peter 3: 18-22
During the 3 day's before his resurrection.
Christ descended to HELL to Preach to the lost souls in hell who rejected Christ in the day's of Noah.
The generation before and during Noahs time never had the Bible or scrolls of the Laws of God only the very rich and elect few had knowledge of the old time law's.
Because Christ said all will have a chance to repent and to get to now him personally.
Romans 14:11
For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Romans 10:14
How then will they call on Him (Jesus Christ) in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in Him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
We know that in John 2:19, Jesus said destroy this temple (speaking of His body) and I will raise it up. So Jesus said He would raise His own body from the grave.
It is interesting, because we read that right before Jesus died, He dismissed His Spirit. His body was laid in the tomb, but we also read that during those three days while His body laid in the grave, He went into the lower parts of the earth, to a place called Hades, and He released the Old Testament saints. So His Spirit was separate from His body.
I believe that after that took place, Jesus then raised His physical body from the grave, as He said He would do. I believe Jesus had the power to raise Himself. We know He has resurrection power, as we read in the account of Him raising Lazarus from the grave.
I also believe that Jesus is God. He is God the Son. I believe also in God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. All three, co-equal, and co-eternal, and all three being one God.
Great question, We have the verse you mentioned.
God
1 Peter 1:21. Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Holyspirit.
Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Jesus.
John 10:17-18. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
God bless.
God bless you and all on this site.
Thanks you for the clarification.
Kevin