Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Pierre1939 - 1 year ago
    Its the book of life in the right hand of the Father that is the LIVING WORD Rev.5:1...Not the bible per se the written word....There are 2 lights...Jesus said are there not 12 hrs in the day and 12 hrs in the night...The lesser light and the greater light....The written word and the living word..And Jesus said that if we walk in the night ( the written word ) we are gonna stumble...But if we walk in the day the living word that Book in the right hand of the father....The Living word the H.G. that New covenant that Jesus gave us at Calvary in his blood which is the H.G. a living being we will not stumble....Thats what Israel did they walked in the written Word only the night but without the H.G....The living Word....And they stoned most all the Prophets and rejected the Christ the living Word....So they cd keep the Torah the written word the law....You are walking in the night if your salvation is by the written Word only....Real Faith can only come by the living word not by the written word....paper and ink...Even in the natural a woman cannot get pregnant by reading a book....She has to know her husband who has living seed....Jesus is our husband and his words, his seeds are SPIRIT AND LIFE.....Not paper and ink....Thats y Jesus has to know us which initiates FAITH....The substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen a baby Christ.....Even in the natural when a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen the baby....But our new birth is by the seed of Jesus which is THE LIVING WORD....Today if you will hear his voice his words his seeds harden not your hearts ....Thats where the good seed is sown in our hearts ....Our Child is the H.G. the Child of Promise....As that which is born of the spirit is spirit the H.G....She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations which is the H.G THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH...That New BORN Babe desiring the sincere milk of the word is the H.G. THE LIVING WORD...
  • David0921 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Pierre1939,

    Not exactly sure what you are saying in this post but you seem to be making a grave error if you believe the Bible, the written Word of God, is somehow not for us today. And that God had some different "Salvation" for Old Testament true believers than for New Testament true believers.

    Before the Bible was completed, God spoke directly to individuals and actually appeared in various forms to them. Once the Bible was completed with the book of Revelation, God very clearly states in Rev 22:18,19 that we are neither to add nor take away anything from the Bible and there are very serious penalties for doing so. This means that we are never to look for any communication from God in the form of a dream or a vision or a tongue, etc. The Lord Jesus Christ, Eternal God Himself, identifies Himself with the Bible very directly in John 1:1-5 He states:

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    Today, Christ, the living Word, speaks to us ONLY through His written Word, the Bible, as God, the Holy Spirit would lead us into Truth as we search the scriptures. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by HEARING and HEARING by the WORD OF GOD.

    The Bible alone and in its entirety is the Word of God.

    Rev 22:18,19

    For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and from the things which are written in this book.
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    David0921 love ya my man.....But all the bibles in the world cd have redemed humanity back to God....Only the blood of the lamb...Only by Calvary are we redemed back to God.... Gal. 2:21 If righteousness cd have come by the law the written word then Christ died in vain....God so loved the world that he gave us his only begotten son....Thus that New Covenant...As Paul is saying when that which is perfect ( that New Covenant the book in the righthand of the father ) is come then that which is done in part will be done away with.....ok gbu
  • GIGI - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Alex,

    I do agree that it is only through the blood and sacrifice and perfect life of Jesus that we are saved. But the Bible also says that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. ( Romans 10:13-17) Paul said that he is not ashamed of the Gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth. ( Romans 1:26) So we are to know what the Gospel is and we are to share the Gospel with others. We are to study the Scriptures to show ourselves approved of God ( 2 Tim. 2:15) It is important to trust fully in the work of God in Christ for our salvation, be are to grow in grace and knowledge of Jesus. We find knowledge of Him in the written word-the Bible.

    Dear Alex, your postings seem to denigrate the value and holiness of the Scriptures and in a way defames them. I know that you offend refer to multiple Scripture texts in most of your posts. So when you speak against the Scriptures you are sending a confusing message-on the one hand you seem to think that citing Scripture is important for the promotion of your point of view -and on the other hand you denounce the Scriptures.

    So, I think that you can make your point in a way that does not slander the Scriptures. Please consider finding out how to do that in your posts. David is right. The Scriptures are our authority, not people's feelings, dreams, visions, "prophecies", or rational reasoning. I know that you value the Word, Alex, but in recent posts your wording sounds like you don't.
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hiya Gi-Gi Gbu sweety..Lemme try to talk to you a min.... Romans 7:4 You are dead to the law by the body of Christ that you should be married to another even Christ Jesus the living word...That you should bring forth FRUIT unto God...GiGi we don't wanna be married to paper and ink Our bridegroom is Christ Jesus which is God Spirit and life...We cannot bring forth fruit unto God by reading the bible the written word a killer....As 2 Cor. 3:6 is telling us He has made able ministers of the New Covenant...Not of the letter but of the spirit...The letter is a killer but the spirit gives life..Jesus is not the author of a killer but of the spirit...Which is that book in the right hand of the father..That book of life is the N.C....GiGi we need to birth a baby Christ that Child of Promise but the bible does not have that good seed.... Mat. 13:37....Jesus says its only the son of man that soweth the good seed which is his VOICE the living Word...The bible cannot sow that good seed...simply b/c its spirit and life....the bible is just paper and ink a nite light...We cannot bring forth fruit unto God by reading the bible....Even in the natural a woman cannot get pregnant by reading a book...And we need to birth the Child which is the H.G. the Child of Promise the good FRUIT...Thats y he is saying b/c i have spoken these words ( his seed living words) sorrows have filled your hearts... John 16:13...A woman when she is in travail has sorrows but after the Child comes her sorrows are turned into Joy...The Child is the H.G. that Child of Promise...But the woman cannot get pregnant by reading a book ( the bible)...the written words....My words are spirit and life...We need to know our husband who has living seed...Our fruit the Child is very important....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....The woman in Rev.12 does not receive the Kingdom till she births the Child...Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receives ME...GBU.
  • David0921 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Pierre1939,

    It seems that you think God is somehow COMMUNICATING to mankind OUTSIDE of the Bible in our day. And that there are parts of the Bible that may not be speaking to us today. If so, we have a very DIFFERENT AUTHORITY upon which to base what we understand and believe about anything God would want to teach us. This includes things like the Condition of Mankind, the Nature of God's Judgement for sin, the Nature of God's Salvation Program. And even what God would choose to reveal to us about the Nature and Glory of God Himself, which our finite minds cannot only begin to grasp.

    My authority is The THE BIBLE ALONE AND IN ITS ENTIRITY. And I would not want to listen to anyone that has a WIDER or NARROWER authority than the Bible regarding anything that touches on spiritual things.

    God does not strike us down immediately if we insist on having a different authority than the Bible. But He does warn us that there are severe consequences if we continue to do so. Rev 22:18,19 is very clear about that.

    God declares in the Bible that Salvation is 100% the Work of God Himself. And that our works (i.e. our obedience to the Law of God) cannot contribute to our Salvation in anyway whatsoever. However, once God has saved us (i.e. God has given us our brand new Resurrected Soul) we have become Born Again, and we will have an earnest and ongoing desire to be obedient to the Law of God as He reveals truth to us from His Word, the Bible. God then assures us that we are His Child. This is the same Salvation that God proclaims throughout the Bible and that He applies, throughout time, to all of those whom He saves and for whose sins Christ has paid the full penalty required by the Law of God.

    Wonderfully, God is still saving during our day. Like the Ninevites in Jonah 3 that acknowledged their sinfulness, humbled themselves, and cried to God that He might not destroy them, anyone may still cry to God for His Mercy in the very real hope that God might Save them.
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    David0921 God spoke to Peter and Paul without a bible....Jesus told Peter flesh and blood Has not revealed it unto you but my Father in heaven which is the living word....And God spoke to Paul without a bible on the road to Damascus....Today if you will hear his voice harden not your hearts....Its only Jesus that has the words of life....Peter said to whom shall we go lord thou has the words of Eternal life....Thats y Jesus had to die to bring in a new covenant that wd put Christ in the hearts of all men....If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me....I will know them all from the least to the greatest and they shall no more teach know the lord for they shall all know me from the least to the greatest Jeremiah 31:31...And they shall all be taught of God....Not by a bible but by God himself....David God wants to speak to mans hearts by his Spirit...I will give them a new heart and a new spirit....Not a new bible with the Words of man....As Peter is saying being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God THAT LIVETH AND ABIDETH FOR EVER....LIVING WORDS NOT WRITTEN WORD....Which is that book of life in the fathers right hand

    By my spirit saith the lord....Which is that New Covenant....The letter is a killer but its the spirit that is a life giving force....Our husband is a living being which is the gift of God the H.G.....Not the bible which is paper and ink...The letter.....We do not wanna be married to paper and ink but to spirit and life....We cannot bring forth fruit unto God by reading a bible....Its gona come via the seed of our husband which is a living seed...Thats y he has to know us.
  • David0921 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Pierre1939,

    This will be the last comment I will make to you on this subject.

    You keep saying that God is not "paper and ink". And of course that is true in the physical sense. But God ONLY communicates with mankind as the we "read" the scriptures or "hear" them read to us. "Faith cometh by HEARING and HEARING by the Word of God" Romans 10:17. God is not communicating to mankind using dreams or voices or visions or tongues coming directly from God once the Bible was completed with the book of Revelations.

    Anyone that believes otherwise would be in violation of Revelation 22:18,19.

    However, God the Holy Spirit must be active in opening our understanding and applying the Word to our heart, as we "HEAR" the Word with our spiritual ears. That is what Romans 10:17 is saying.

    I hope you will come to understand that because it is very serious business if we do not.
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    David0921 lemme just say this to you and your doctrine of the bible being God himself....Israel was Sola Scriptura Written words only....They knew the bible by heart....But Jesus tells them you are of your father the Devil....Not that the bible was of the devil but their hearts were of the Devil.....And the written word cd not fix their hearts....It wd require a New Covenant to give mankind a new heart and a new spirit by the blood of Jesus at Calvary.... Rev 5:1...Now there is a new BOOK in the right hand of the Father, this is the book of life....That N.C.....And whosoever was not found written in this new book of life that Jesus wrote with his own blood was cast into the lake of fire....Which is baptism of the H.G. and fire....That fire that Jesus wants to bring on all the world....As our God is a consuming fire....That is gonna consume mans evil adamic heart...Thats y Jesus says he came to bring fire on the earth....Which is a cleansing Fire...As Malachi 3:2 explains.

    Thus Faith can only come by the living word the seed of the sower that book in the Fathers right hand....Initiating a spiritual pregnancy by the seed of the bridegroom as his seed is spirit and life ... Hebrews 11:1...Thats y Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....Even in the natural when a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen...The Child....B/C i have spoken these words sorrows has filled your hearts....A spiritual pregnancy....He wants to impregnate this whole world with his precious seed.... Jeremiah 30:6 Why do i see the whole world in travail and birthpains....David thats y the new birth is so important....And it can only happen by the living word the contents of that book in the fathers right hand....Not by reading a bible...HE HAS TO KNOW US....WE NEED LIVING SEED ( THE BRIDEGROOMS SEED)...Not written words...But the seed of the Bridegroom are Living words of life the Children of Promise..THE H.G...
  • GIGI - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Alex, read David's post again. he never said that the Bible is god HImself.

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  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    David you don't seem to understand that God is greater then a bible... Gal 3:8 the gospel was preached to Abraham before there was a bible... simply b/c the words of our lord are spirit and life...Not paper and ink....Before Abraham was i am thus it was Jesus who preached to Abraham....I am not saying that we don't need the bible....I am just saying that this New Covenant at Calvary is greater then a bible..paper and ink....Which is the gift of the H.G. the Anointing is all we need to teach us.... 1st John 2:27...You need no man teach you....The Anointing you have received of him abides in you and he will teach you all things...Which is the H.G. the gift of God the living word....David its only Jesus the Living Word that has the words of life as Peter said to whom shall we go Lord thou has the words of eternal life....The bible per se does not have the words of life....If it did then Jesus shed his blood in vain and the cross was just foolishness...Ya see what i am saying....It was God himself that added words to the bible...with his New Covenant... Jeremiah 31:31...Somebody has brain washed you David....If the bible cd have redeemed mankind with its words then Jesus shed his blood in vain and the cross was just foolishness....Its the N.C. at Calvary that has redeemed us back to God not the bible the written words....There is another book involved in our salvation which is that book in the right hand of the father that Jesus wrote with his own blood....Which is that book of life,...Whosoever was not found written in this book of life was cast into the lake of fire.....Which is that baptism of the H.G. AND FIRE....As our God is a consuming fire....Remember Jesus tells us he came to bring fire on the earth.....Which is the H.G. FIRE....And its the H.G. that is a living being that has to be born in us....As that which is born of the spirit is spirit the H.G. the gift of God...Let us focus on that book of life Jesus wrote with his own blood at Calvary....The new covenant.
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hiya David Gbu....But John 1:1 is the living word not the written word....David it was the living word Christ Jesus that made all things not a bible the written word.... 2 Cor. 3:6 He has made us able ministers of the New Covenant the spirit not the letter as the letter is a killer but its the spirit that gives life....Thats y Churchanity is dead they don't know the difference between the written word and the living word....The written word is not God its just a love letter from God but its the living word that is Christ the bridegroom the 1 and only living Word....We do not wana be married to paper and ink but to Spirit and life as my words are spirit and life....Wake up David.....Ya need to understand that God is much more then paper and ink....Yes we all love the KJV Bible but it answers to the lesser light....Its only Christ Jesus that is the light of the world....Not the bible...Thats y Jesus was saying are there not 12 hrs in a day and 12 hrs in a night...but if a man walks in the night he is gona stumble....You are walking in the night when ya think that the bible is the light of the world....Thats y Jesus had to shed his blood at Calvary that he might bring in a New Covenant not according to the old covenant the written word...The letter a killer....Simply b/c the letter has no blood content....Thus cannot remove sin...Only the lamb of God had the blood to initiate this new covenant at Calvary....The LIVING WORD...When he had taken the cup he said this is the New Covenant in my blood drink ye all of it...The N.C. IS THE LIVING WORD.

    David there are zillions of bibles in this world but this world is in deep darkness....Thats y God wanted a New Covenant by the blood of Jesus the living WORD... John 5:39 Search the scriptures ( written words ) in them you think you have eternal life but it is them that testify of me...Which is the H.G. the living word a living being the Gift of God....The bible the written word is not the gift of God. only Christ is that GIFT..
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen to you .



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